éirígí protest - No Withdrawal, No Royal Visitss

[RisenBelfast]

Saturday's éirígí protest was a great success. With éirígí activists and similar minded socialists and republicans from across Ireland making their rejection of the 'normalisation' of the British occupation of Ireland clear.

Story and pictures (http://www.eirigi.org/latest/latest230208.html)

[wherenow]

Cén fath nach raibh sibh le cheile leis an RSF?

Why was there no joint protest with RSF?

[Daithí]

I hear a few protests happened to be at the GPO simultaneously.

[robertemmett]

good article and photos!

[RisenBelfast]

éirígí's protest was a relocation of a long planned protest at the British embassy, part of their ongoing mobilisation against a potential visit by the British Queen, due to Anne Windsor's attendance at the match.

You'd need to ask RSF why they didn't support éirígí's ongoing activity on this issue but they aren't renowned for their collaborative approach so I assume it didn't cross their minds to ask éirígí if they could join them.

[wherenow]

Mór an trua e.

It's a great shame.

[Ernie O'Malley]

Sinn Féin poblachtach are in a better position than Éirigi to mobilise no harm to Éirigi but I dont think RSF will need to ask anyone for much, bring it up at the next Ard Fheis of the Republican Movement.

[JPL]

Good work guys. A commendable effort.

[RisenBelfast]

Ernie,

I don't think there is much value for Republicanism in a 'my protest, is bigger than your protest' ****ing competition.

Both groups carried out a commendable and legitimate action against ongoing attempts to normalise the British presence in Ireland. The benefit of two was people coming from both ends of the road saw an expression of rejection.

What should be more contentious is those who claim to be Republican groups who didn't/wouldn't even consider any protest against the nomalisation of the British presence in Ireland.

[wherenow]

Fair play doibh.

fair play to those who got off their arses for what they believe

[Ernie O'Malley]

Ernie,

I don't think there is much value for Republicanism in a 'my protest, is bigger than your protest' ****ing competition.

Both groups carried out a commendable and legitimate action against ongoing attempts to normalise the British presence in Ireland. The benefit of two was people coming from both ends of the road saw an expression of rejection.

What should be more contentious is those who claim to be Republican groups who didn't/wouldn't even consider any protest against the nomalisation of the British presence in Ireland.

I wasnt saying that I was saying if people have a problem with the way things are take it up with them dont side swipe, fair play to eirigi and RSF Im in neither... I just looked at it and recalled a debate about POW protests in Belfast and watched it progress in to a stamp RSF in to the ground contest.

[RisenBelfast]

Though, I should add there are ideological differences between RSF and éirígí around this issue - éirígí used this protest solely as an expansion of their ongoing campaign against moves to have the British Queen visit Ireland and attempts to 'normalise' the British presence in Ireland.

RSF have previously protested at Croker on a 'No to foreign games' platform. éirígí do not share that view seeing sport as an issue for the GAA and not of political relevance. éirígí would not be able to support a protest that had any undertones of trying to politicise sport itself.

[Ernie O'Malley]

The Protest and Campaign against Normalisation initiated in earnest by RSF has targetted all aspects of Normalisation, a campiagn to neutralise resistance to British Rule in Ireland by the 26 county state spread to Croke Park and The GAA as an organisation have been pushing normalisation as much as any other Pro-Brit group

[BREAK THE CONNECTION]

The Protest and Campaign against Normalisation initiated in earnest by RSF has targetted all aspects of Normalisation, a campiagn to neutralise resistance to British Rule in Ireland by the 26 county state spread to Croke Park and The GAA as an organisation have been pushing normalisation as much as any other Pro-Brit group

Here here Ernie O Malley :eusa_clap:

[cdj]

Well said , Ernie .

[ciaranxavier]

éirígí's protest was a relocation of a long planned protest at the British embassy, part of their ongoing mobilisation against a potential visit by the British Queen, due to Anne Windsor's attendance at the match.

You'd need to ask RSF why they didn't support éirígí's ongoing activity on this issue but they aren't renowned for their collaborative approach so I assume it didn't cross their minds to ask éirígí if they could join them.

why didnt eirigi approach them? why does the RSF have to initiate it? plus since they set it up they should be doing the inviting not having the groups invite themselves.

[Foyleview]

Cén fath nach raibh sibh le cheile leis an RSF?

Why was there no joint protest with RSF?

Unite Ireland ?
sure they cannot even unite themselves !
what worse than one bunch of nutters......two bunches of nutters...
i look forward to another snigger at the weekend in dublin.

[FTA69]

Funnily enough the size of the protest was bigger than many of the pickets your own party used to have. That isn't a dig at Sinn Féin, my point is that a public protest of this size is a commendable action, not something to be ridiculed by some clown who hasn't a clue what he's talking about.

On what basis would you brand Éirigi a "bunch of nutters"?

[Comrade Ryan]

Sinn Féin poblachtach are in a better position than Éirigi to mobilise no harm to Éirigi but I dont think RSF will need to ask anyone for much, bring it up at the next Ard Fheis of the Republican Movement.

Well not going by the two protests on Sunday they aren't.

[Comrade Ryan]

Unite Ireland ?
sure they cannot even unite themselves !
what worse than one bunch of nutters......two bunches of nutters...
i look forward to another snigger at the weekend in dublin.

Well if you had cared to protests rather than go to the Dublin Trades Show (you have your republican priorities in order alright) you would have seen a very well attended and disciplined protest carried out by eirigi members who were joined by some members of the general public.

What is your objection to eirigi protesting or better still what is your objection to them at all?

How are they 'nutters'?

[FTA69]

bring it up at the next Ard Fheis of the Republican Movement.

Éirigi are as much part of the Republican Movement as RSF, a movement is a force of many parties, organisations, unions and individuals; not one political party.

[belfast 1916]

Éirigi are as much part of the Republican Movement as RSF, a movement is a force of many parties, organisations, unions and individuals; not one political party.

well said FTA

[Ernie O'Malley]

Well not going by the two protests on Sunday they aren't.

I think they'll be alright.

[MartinP]

Unite Ireland ?
sure they cannot even unite themselves !
what worse than one bunch of nutters......two bunches of nutters...
i look forward to another snigger at the weekend in dublin.


Nutters in what regard? Are you aware that many within éirigi are former members of the party you support (members until fairly recently too), and that many within RSF were part of a united Sinn Féin until the 80's (including the organisation's president - who happened to hold the same position in the organisation when it was united). Were these nutters always nutters, or are they only nutters of late because they don't follow the constitutional path?

[Irish Republican Patriot]

Unite Ireland ?
sure they cannot even unite themselves !
what worse than one bunch of nutters......two bunches of nutters...
i look forward to another snigger at the weekend in dublin.

Oh I'm sure that in your contempt for Republicans and anyone who doesn't accept the incomparable wisdom of Sir Gerry, you'll keep the sniggers coming thick and fast.

[Foyleview]

Nutters in what regard? Are you aware that many within éirigi are former members of the party you support (members until fairly recently too), and that many within RSF were part of a united Sinn Féin until the 80's (including the organisation's president - who happened to hold the same position in the organisation when it was united). Were these nutters always nutters, or are they only nutters of late because they don't follow the constitutional path?

well. the term nutters was a bit o t t .
I ts good to see you defending eirigi. they were blaming you s for the unconformity of saturday.
I get a bit carried away sometimes. I beleive in Freindship, standing by each other no matter what. i beleive in comradory and loyality. i dont agree with all things. i do see. i will never abandon. I am nothing in comparason to us. if i follow me, i makes the collective of us weaker.

[cdj]

Foyleview -
I beleive in Freindship, standing by each other no matter what. i beleive in comradory and loyality. i dont agree with all things. i do see. i will never abandon. I am nothing in comparason to us. if i follow me, i makes the collective of us weaker.

Are they words from a Sinead O'Connor song you're quoting there , or is it actually in response to something on this thread ?
Or have the Borg taken over yer head completely ?

[MarkyMark]

well done lads, looks like you got a good crowd

[Foyleview]

Foyleview -


Are they words from a Sinead O'Connor song you're quoting there , or is it actually in response to something on this thread ?
Or have the Borg taken over yer head completely ?

well beleive it or not mad cow. it was actually a response.

[cdj]

Foyleview -

" i dont agree with all things. i do see. i will never abandon. I am nothing in comparason to us. if i follow me, i makes the collective of us weaker. "

well beleive it or not mad cow. it was actually a response.

A response to what ?
A chemical imbalance in yer head ?

[Foyleview]

wellllll anyway. meanwhile back om the farm.
peaceful protest is good. all that engage in peaceful protest need congratulated . they do more than just talk. they do.

[Seabird]

Fair play to éirígí, keep up the good work. This is far better than planting a bomb around a stadium filled with innocent men, women and children!

[cdj]

Foyleview , at the start of this thread -
Unite Ireland ?
sure they cannot even unite themselves !
what worse than one bunch of nutters......two bunches of nutters...
i look forward to another snigger at the weekend in dublin.

Foyleview , a few posts later -
peaceful protest is good. all that engage in peaceful protest need congratulated . they do more than just talk. they do.

If ya ever get lost , ask himself for directions . He knows where the Road to Damascus is .

[liam]

Well done to all involved.

[Foyleview]

Foyleview , at the start of this thread -


Foyleview , a few posts later -


If ya ever get lost , ask himself for directions . He knows where the Road to Damascus is .

I dont see the contradiction.

it does not matter if you are calling for trees to be hugged, flatuating to be encouraged. catholism to be banned, everyone to be made smoke cigarettes. people who want to exercise there right to peaceful protest are to be congratulated.
if you look, you will find a previous post of mine where i refered to my excessive language in the use of the word nutters

[ciaranxavier]

Fair play to éirígí, keep up the good work. This is far better than planting a bomb around a stadium filled with innocent men, women and children!

who did that?

[Irish Republican Patriot]

who did that?

She seems to think that is something that "dissident" Republicans would do, which is kind of a backhanded compliment coming from her...

[ciaranxavier]

She seems to think that is something that "dissident" Republicans would do, which is kind of a backhanded compliment coming from her...

i know thats why id like to see some proof of this being the regular going ons of the republican armies. thats a pretty harsh way to portray those risking their lives attempting to oust the english. i mean seabird why dont you add baby rapers and you got the perfect criminal.

[Comrade Ryan]

I think they'll be alright.

Thats fine, my point was that they weren't.

Not that I see much value in 'my da's bigger than your da' type of stuff, but I was merely responding to your assertion that they could mobilise more people.

[Ernie O'Malley]

Thats fine, my point was that they weren't.

Not that I see much value in 'my da's bigger than your da' type of stuff, but I was merely responding to your assertion that they could mobilise more people.

Well they are the only alternitive to PSF that are organised throughout the 32 counties of Ireland aswell as in England Scotland and Wales, they have about 100 years more experience than any other group opposed to partition Its just the facts not an argument.

[Comrade Ryan]

well. the term nutters was a bit o t t .
I ts good to see you defending eirigi. they were blaming you s for the unconformity of saturday.
I get a bit carried away sometimes. I beleive in Freindship, standing by each other no matter what. i beleive in comradory and loyality. i dont agree with all things. i do see. i will never abandon. I am nothing in comparason to us. if i follow me, i makes the collective of us weaker.

You didn't just 'get a bit carried away', the sniggering disregard you hold other republicans in is explicit in virtually every post you make.

And not only was the term 'nutters' a bit 'ott' it was totally out of order and, what is increasingly your forte, incorrect.

Getting past that utter shyte in your last paragraph can I ask you where and when eirigi blamed RSF for 'unconformity'?

[Comrade Ryan]

Well they are the only alternitive to PSF that are organised throughout the 32 counties of Ireland aswell as in England Scotland and Wales, they have about 100 years more experience than any other group opposed to partition Its just the facts not an argument.

Haha Ernie, really catch a grip.

RSF have 100 years more experience in opposing partition? Really? Where did the rest of us come from? Did we all just fall out of a tree or something? Really that is one of the most ridiculous arguments i've ever had the misfortune or reading.

And lets be honest, saying that RSF are organised throughout the 32 counties, England, Scotland, Wales is a bit of a stretch of reality.

Having a very disparate and commonly disorganised group which relies on a couple of people here and a couple there, is I feel a more apt description of where RSF is.

[ciaranxavier]

Haha Ernie, really catch a grip.

RSF have 100 years more experience in opposing partition? Really? Where did the rest of us come from? Did we all just fall out of a tree or something? Really that is one of the most ridiculous arguments i've ever had the misfortune or reading.

And lets be honest, saying that RSF are organised throughout the 32 counties, England, Scotland, Wales is a bit of a stretch of reality.

Having a very disparate and commonly disorganised group which relies on a couple of people here and a couple there, is I feel a more apt description of where RSF is.

your calling his argument a stretch of reality yet you go on to say that theres a couple supporter here and a couple there. theres more then a couple and thats for sure, its not a huge movement but it is by no means an insignificant one with just a few members here or there.

[Comrade Ryan]

your calling his argument a stretch of reality yet you go on to say that theres a couple supporter here and a couple there. theres more then a couple and thats for sure, its not a huge movement but it is by no means an insignificant one with just a few members here or there.

Really in my experience in Belfast that is precisely what it is. One in this area, two there, one away over there, etc.

I don't like to get tangled up in these types of discussions but Ernies declarations on the matter, require just a little clarification.

[Ernie O'Malley]

Haha Ernie, really catch a grip.

RSF have 100 years more experience in opposing partition? Really? Where did the rest of us come from? Did we all just fall out of a tree or something? Really that is one of the most ridiculous arguments i've ever had the misfortune or reading.

And lets be honest, saying that RSF are organised throughout the 32 counties, England, Scotland, Wales is a bit of a stretch of reality.

Having a very disparate and commonly disorganised group which relies on a couple of people here and a couple there, is I feel a more apt description of where RSF is.

Right okay sure you'd know best anyway oh enlightened one:icon_laugh::icon_laugh:
They are the ONLY republican party organised troughout the entire country and England scotland and wales.
As for falling out of a tree? no, Falling out with the PSF leadership as the PSF leadership had no faith in selecting them then setting up a one pronged and directionless group in opposition to PSF doesnt inspire really, RSF are in a better position than any other group opposed to partition but then Éirigi are not opposed to partition...

[Ernie O'Malley]

Really in my experience in Belfast that is precisely what it is. One in this area, two there, one away over there, etc.

I don't like to get tangled up in these types of discussions but Ernies declarations on the matter, require just a little clarification.

No clarification needed you seem to be suffering from Adamismitus where by you believe Belfast has more of a role than anywhere else lol RSF are in a better posistion compared to people who havent a clue who or what they support

[Comrade Ryan]

Right okay sure you'd know best anyway oh enlightened one:icon_laugh::icon_laugh:
They are the ONLY republican party organised troughout the entire country and England scotland and wales.
As for falling out of a tree? no, Falling out with the PSF leadership as the PSF leadership had no faith in selecting them then setting up a one pronged and directionless group in opposition to PSF doesnt inspire really, RSF are in a better position than any other group opposed to partition but then Éirigi are not opposed to partition...

Well I do know the reality on the ground where I live.

First off, you seem to insinuate that i'm a member of eirigi, I am not. I am heartned by their efforts though.

Then you demonstrate just how little knowledge you possess on eirigi, who makes it up, and what they are about.

eirigi was founded by republicans who had argued against the GFA within the Provisional Movement and who were consistently on the 'left' of the movement.

At differeing points, the majority of the people who make the party, left the movement as it was then constituted to pursue republican left politics, which by the way, are in opposition to the GFA.

It had nothing to do with selection and if you could shed some light on this please do. There have been numerous rumours about eirigi since its foundation, emanating primarily from anti-GFA elements. At least I see you didn't buy into the rumour that it was a sophisticated ploy by the provisional leadership to corral those leaving the movement.

But perhaps you could enlighten us as to the 'one pronged' nature of the group. What is this one prong?

How is it directionless?

And why do you say it is in opposition to SF? It opposes the direction of SF but it does not define itself on its oppostion to SF's policies. It stands on its own project. You see this is where so many other anti-GFA party has shot themselves in the foot over the years. Their discourse is more anti-SF than anti-occupation and as long as orgs continue with this discourse they will continue to fade into obscurity.

How RSF is better placed to mobilise the people escapes me. They have made absolutely no progress since 1986. Twenty two years and their project has rolled back.

In addition to the other queries, can you outline how eirigi is not opposed to partition?

[Comrade Ryan]

No clarification needed you seem to be suffering from Adamismitus where by you believe Belfast has more of a role than anywhere else lol RSF are in a better posistion compared to people who havent a clue who or what they support

I do not believe Belfast has more of a role than anywhere else, but people can and will judge RSf or anything else by their expereince of it. Not hard to understand surely?

But I will say something on this, when you have a miniscuke presence in major population centres, well it doesn't really inspire does it? Particularly with your 100 year expereince and headstart like.

Who are these people who have no idea as to who or what they support?

[Foyleview]

You didn't just 'get a bit carried away', the sniggering disregard you hold other republicans in is explicit in virtually every post you make.

And not only was the term 'nutters' a bit 'ott' it was totally out of order and, what is increasingly your forte, incorrect.

Getting past that utter shyte in your last paragraph can I ask you where and when eirigi blamed RSF for 'unconformity'?

look at the first few posts to this thread

[Ernie O'Malley]

Well I know and live in Belfast too, and am quite confident in the Republican movement, I dont expect sudden greatness but I have the comfort of a sound impregnable strategy that can deliver revolutionary change, and am prepared to be patient, there are as many clampets per head of membership in the Provo's Irps 32's as there are in RSF in Belfast an areas membership consists of individuals from the area and lets face it nobody is dunderheadless.
Miniscule? who do you refer to RSF has as much a presence as anyone else how you percieve that presence is up to your self but Im confident in its foundations and capability, you said you didnt want to get in to a "My da is bigger than your da" argument but you continued to attempt to besmirch Sinn Féin while you have yet to enlighten us as to where your loyalty lies, it seems youve a bit of an identity crisis and Sinn Féin bear the brunt of your own internal dismay.

[Ernie O'Malley]

Well I do know the reality on the ground where I live.

Tu che.

First off, you seem to insinuate that i'm a member of eirigi, I am not. I am heartned by their efforts though.

I dint recall insinuating anything I recall responding to an arrogant ill-informed attack on the movement I support by bitter pontless sniping.

Then you demonstrate just how little knowledge you possess on eirigi, who makes it up, and what they are about.

"Providing a socialist alternive" hmmmm

eirigi was founded by republicans who had argued against the GFA within the Provisional Movement and who were consistently on the 'left' of the movement.

Well I disagree I see it as coming from an internal rift, as PSF's spiral in to capitalism was well established before Éirigi formed

At differeing points, the majority of the people who make the party, left the movement as it was then constituted to pursue republican left politics, which by the way, are in opposition to the GFA.

Left as constituted? thought they had a voice and were shown the door! Bernice swift clarified that through her suspension for speaking up.

It had nothing to do with selection and if you could shed some light on this please do. There have been numerous rumours about eirigi since its foundation, emanating primarily from anti-GFA elements. At least I see you didn't buy into the rumour that it was a sophisticated ploy by the provisional leadership to corral those leaving the movement.

Well there a many theories mine is that disillusion and authoritarian PSF approach to disent seen them on their way.

But perhaps you could enlighten us as to the 'one pronged' nature of the group. What is this one prong?

It relies on the pen only pointless.
How is it directionless?

At best they can follow the IRSP at worst it will just be another pressure group of insignificance.

]
And why do you say it is in opposition to SF? It opposes the direction of SF but it does not define itself on its oppostion to SF's policies. It stands on its own project. You see this is where so many other anti-GFA party has shot themselves in the foot over the years. Their discourse is more anti-SF than anti-occupation and as long as orgs continue with this discourse they will continue to fade into obscurity.

It has no footing to oppose any part of PSF startegy untill very recently, it was fully supportive of Recognising partition and copper fastening it decommisioning etc etc It was PSF until too late...

How RSF is better placed to mobilise the people escapes me. They have made absolutely no progress since 1986. Twenty two years and their project has rolled back.
In addition to the other queries, can you outline how eirigi is not opposed to partition?[/QUOTE]


Pathetic showing of contempt and disrespect to the republican movement, I wont dignify that with an answer :icon_lol:
Recognition of British Rule leinster house and Stormont doesnt just go away....

It will take alot more than a few crusty protests to prove Éirigis commitment to the Republic and it will be longer still before they are qualified to criticise the Republican Movement.

[Comrade Ryan]

look at the first few posts to this thread

Sorry I thought you said eirigi blamed RSF for 'unconformity' not just someone claiming to be an eirigi supporter.

But sure why let stuff like that get in the way of your blunt wit.

[Comrade Ryan]

Well I know and live in Belfast too, and am quite confident in the Republican movement, I dont expect sudden greatness but I have the comfort of a sound impregnable strategy that can deliver revolutionary change, and am prepared to be patient, there are as many clampets per head of membership in the Provo's Irps 32's as there are in RSF in Belfast an areas membership consists of individuals from the area and lets face it nobody is dunderheadless.
Miniscule? who do you refer to RSF has as much a presence as anyone else how you percieve that presence is up to your self but Im confident in its foundations and capability, you said you didnt want to get in to a "My da is bigger than your da" argument but you continued to attempt to besmirch Sinn Féin while you have yet to enlighten us as to where your loyalty lies, it seems youve a bit of an identity crisis and Sinn Féin bear the brunt of your own internal dismay.


Well if you're happy with it thats really all that matters - but lets make one thing clear it was yourself that brought size and mobilisation capacity into the thread in relation to eirigi and RSF - and considering that eirigi is less than two years old, the fact that they could mobilise more people at croke than RSF , would if I was in RSF bring me some degree of humility.

I support eirigi - I thought that was clear also, perhpas not, so please accept this as clarification - although unlike some others who are also not members of movements but profess to speak for them - I do not speak for eirigi.

[Comrade Ryan]

Tu che.



I dint recall insinuating anything I recall responding to an arrogant ill-informed attack on the movement I support by bitter pontless sniping.



"Providing a socialist alternive" hmmmm



Well I disagree I see it as coming from an internal rift, as PSF's spiral in to capitalism was well established before Éirigi formed



Left as constituted? thought they had a voice and were shown the door! Bernice swift clarified that through her suspension for speaking up.



Well there a many theories mine is that disillusion and authoritarian PSF approach to disent seen them on their way.



It relies on the pen only pointless.


At best they can follow the IRSP at worst it will just be another pressure group of insignificance.

[quote

It has no footing to oppose any part of PSF startegy untill very recently, it was fully supportive of Recognising partition and copper fastening it decommisioning etc etc It was PSF until too late...


In addition to the other queries, can you outline how eirigi is not opposed to partition?


Pathetic showing of contempt and disrespect to the republican movement, I wont dignify that with an answer :icon_lol:
Recognition of British Rule leinster house and Stormont doesnt just go away....

It will take alot more than a few crusty protests to prove Éirigis commitment to the Republic and it will be longer still before they are qualified to criticise the Republican Movement.[/QUOTE]

Well what a load of nonsense ernie, it seems you are drifting back into your communitarian days.

You say providing a socialist alternative and then there is this unexplained 'hmmmmm'? Explain. eirigi are a repaublican socialist group which seeks to be a dynamic opponent of the GFA, anglo-american imperialism, etc. Is this not worth pursuing?

You say you believe the formation of eirigi came as a result of an internal rift. Well you are wrong. It came as a result of a series of fundamental political departures which the people who left felt could no longer be stemmed, prevented or rolled back. Just another in a long line of your ill informed interventions here.

You proclaim that eirigi rely on the pen only. Well this is incorrect. Firstly, like many people I think that armed sturggle in the current context is wasteful. Not only wasteful but has been absolutely ineffectual. But they are interested in radical grassroots action. For instance, whose party members were arrested at Stormont and in Rossport due to political protests? eirigi members who are all still awaiting trail.

At best the can only follow the IRSP? Why woulf they be confined to follow in anyones footsteps? And the point about being an insignificance - please lease do not go there.

You say that those of eirigi were supportive of decommisioning etc, how do you come to this conclusion with your lack of any information? This is in fact not true but why allow that to get in the way. Here wanna keep busy, follow that rainbow and it'll lead you to the republic.

Disrespect of 'the' republican movement. Is this a reference to RSF?

RSF consistently disrespects any republican which does not bow to their hollow declarations of righteousness. No-one, I repeat no-one, can demand respect it is earned.

Crusty protests? There were people on that protest that have done more for the republican movement and progressive politics than the many at whose alter you worship.

But then you are pointless as you rely on the keyboard only.

[Ernie O'Malley]

I didn't even bother reading that to be honest, but heres one, you have a lot of learning to do before you can expect to attack the republican movement while using a sub section of PSF and Surrender as your defence. lol.
Dont attack with out a foundation it only gets blown back down oul hand.
Im sure youve had an active life alright lol.

[Comrade Ryan]

I didn't even bother reading that to be honest, but heres one, you have a lot of learning to do before you can expect to attack the republican movement while using a sub section of PSF and Surrender as your defence. lol.
Dont attack with out a foundation it only gets blown back down oul hand.
Im sure youve had an active life alright lol.

Well you really should read more of the posts, you may in fact learn something.

So what learning have I to do then? Come on communitarian educate me.

A sub-section of PSF? Well it appears you do in fact believe some of the most ludicrous accusations levelled at eirigi - small deceptions for small minds.

If your party of choice are ever in a position to build a foundation give us all a shout.

Until then, i'll support whoever I think has potential - real potential - not a group that just believes that as it exists it is owed potential due to some gospel like belief system.

But I remember communitarian that you had past allegiences. Provisionals, then your admiration turned towards the Irps, and now RSF. You seem to be getting more obscure by the year. Where next for you?

[Ernie O'Malley]

Well done your learning what it is to have someone tramp all over your beleifs and are all angry and annoyed ahhh god love you, Do you think your qualified to ridicule any party? you? hardly youd need to have done something first instead a drinking in pubs just to be seen and pretending to be one of the lads anyway
I always admired the IRSP and still do, I have been attending RSM commemorations for many years including whilst I supported PSF, I was never affiliated with them, although I would feel nothing but pride if I had been, as for you attempting to cut out a profile of me or anything about me you'd know more about catching crocodiles son, so Id advise you to stck to politcs and cease personalising debate, if you have any issues regarding my personal behaviour you know where to go to complain to whom ever it will be your supporting tomorrow big support or just PM to get you insecure venom out okay pet?

[Hildy]

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25 February 2008


THE unprecedented visit of a member of the Royal Family to Croke Park at the weekend has hastened calls for a visit to the Republic by the Queen.

Last night DUP MP Jeffrey Donaldson said he hoped that the success of Princess Anne's presence at Ireland's Six Nations clash against Scotland in Dublin on Saturday would help enable her mother, the Queen, to visit the Republic "as soon as possible".

Princess Anne became the first member of the Royal Family to enter the GAA headquarters at Croke Park – a venue long associated with republicanism.

Amid high security, the Princess Royal watched the sporting drama unfold four seats away from the Irish president, Mary McAleese.

Also in close proximity were Irish premier Bertie Ahern and Sports Minister Edwin Poots, who travelled south to watch the game.

A muted protest by around 20-30 people took place outside the grounds in opposition to the presence of British royaltybut no trouble was reported.

Mr Donaldson said:"Princess Anne was there in her role as patron of Scottish Rugby.

"It is appropriate, therefore, that she should be at the match and I hope it marks the improved prospect of a Royal visit to Dublin by Her Majesty the Queen in the near future.

"It is time the Republic moves into the 21st century in terms of its relationship with its nearest neighbours and accepts a visit from our Head of State."

Government sources have claimed such a visit by the Queen could take place following the successful devolution of policing and justice powers to the Stormont Assembly.

But unionists are adamant such a move cannot take place until there is sufficient public confidence.

Speaking at the end of last year, Mr Ahern said such a visit was "inevitable".

The Queen is due to visit Armagh next month where she will participate in a traditional Easter service at St Patrick's Cathedral.

[scarface]

What is this **** Eirigi had a good protest and so did RSF can we not just say fair play to both organisations for protesting against a British royal visit to our country and leave it at that FFS!!

[Ernie O'Malley]

What is this **** Eirigi had a good protest and so did RSF can we not just say fair play to both organisations for protesting against a British royal visit to our country and leave it at that FFS!!

I would have preferred that, although If an eirigi supporter feels seasoned enough to attack RSF then there is plenty of fuel in the tank to strike back, plus there should be no "Belfastsation" of the Republican Movement look where that got us the last time. It tiring that Sinn Féin poblachtach are under constant attack by people who refuse to recognise their rights to exist while lamenting their own insecurities.

[FTA69]

Falling out with the PSF leadership as the PSF leadership had no faith in selecting them then setting up a one pronged and directionless group in opposition to PSF doesnt inspire really, RSF are in a better position than any other group opposed to partition but then Éirigi are not opposed to partition...

That's a load of balls to be honest, for someone bemoaning black propaganda you seem all too eager to suscribe to the lie that Éirigi was set up over an election convention. There are many prominent Republicans who are affiliated with Éirigi, people with long records of activism within the movement, do you belive these people are here simply because of a bitter individual in Dublin? Éirigi is a vibrant and growing party which is doing a great job in promoting both Republicanism and socialism, people should be happy with that fact as opposed to muck-raking over the past and criticising on the basis of semantics.

P*ssing contests on the internet serve nobody at all and people (I'm not singling anyone out) should have a small bit more maturity and not be getting stuck in over f*ck all. Both groups did very well in holding a protest, why do some feel the need to be arguing over a success?

[scarface]

News Letter (http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/Time-is-right-for-Queen.3811745.jp)
25 February 2008


THE unprecedented visit of a member of the Royal Family to Croke Park at the weekend has hastened calls for a visit to the Republic by the Queen.

Last night DUP MP Jeffrey Donaldson said he hoped that the success of Princess Anne's presence at Ireland's Six Nations clash against Scotland in Dublin on Saturday would help enable her mother, the Queen, to visit the Republic "as soon as possible".

Princess Anne became the first member of the Royal Family to enter the GAA headquarters at Croke Park – a venue long associated with republicanism.

Amid high security, the Princess Royal watched the sporting drama unfold four seats away from the Irish president, Mary McAleese.

Also in close proximity were Irish premier Bertie Ahern and Sports Minister Edwin Poots, who travelled south to watch the game.

A muted protest by around 20-30 people took place outside the grounds in opposition to the presence of British royaltybut no trouble was reported.

Mr Donaldson said:"Princess Anne was there in her role as patron of Scottish Rugby.

"It is appropriate, therefore, that she should be at the match and I hope it marks the improved prospect of a Royal visit to Dublin by Her Majesty the Queen in the near future.

"It is time the Republic moves into the 21st century in terms of its relationship with its nearest neighbours and accepts a visit from our Head of State."

Government sources have claimed such a visit by the Queen could take place following the successful devolution of policing and justice powers to the Stormont Assembly.

But unionists are adamant such a move cannot take place until there is sufficient public confidence.

Speaking at the end of last year, Mr Ahern said such a visit was "inevitable".

The Queen is due to visit Armagh next month where she will participate in a traditional Easter service at St Patrick's Cathedral.

Laying the ground for Elizabeth Windsor....

[Irish Republican Patriot]

Laying the ground for Elizabeth Windsor....

Sinister developments indeed...The 26 can at least be proud that it has always resisted calls to have British Monarchs tramping through the country.

[Foyleview]

Laying the ground for Elizabeth Windsor....

Do you not think that the protests at the weekend would be more of an encouragement than a deterant ?

[scarface]

Do you not think that the protests at the weekend would be more of an encouragement than a deterant ?

No why would you think that? they don't want any protests they would love if nobody showed up to protest and they could just parade her all around to show how normal relations are between both partitionist statelets and britain and to show that partition has been accepted by all

[Ernie O'Malley]

That's a load of balls to be honest, for someone bemoaning black propaganda you seem all too eager to suscribe to the lie that Éirigi was set up over an election convention. There are many prominent Republicans who are affiliated with Éirigi, people with long records of activism within the movement, do you belive these people are here simply because of a bitter individual in Dublin? Éirigi is a vibrant and growing party which is doing a great job in promoting both Republicanism and socialism, people should be happy with that fact as opposed to muck-raking over the past and criticising on the basis of semantics.

P*ssing contests on the internet serve nobody at all and people (I'm not singling anyone out) should have a small bit more maturity and not be getting stuck in over f*ck all. Both groups did very well in holding a protest, why do some feel the need to be arguing over a success?

I responded to a tramping all over what I genuinely believe in, by a person who proclaimed he did not want to do it, If Éirigi are growing Fair play but there growth will not be helped by attacking Sinn Féin poblachtach.

Nor will leeches personalising Éirigi's politics and using Éirigi as a tool to beat down Sinn Féin due to a ersons internal insecurity.

[Irish Republican Patriot]

No why would you think that? they don't want any protests they would love if nobody showed up to protest and they could just parade her all around to show how normal relations are between both partitionist statelets and britain and to show that partition has been accepted by all

I agree. It's important to make sure Frau Lizzie knows that she is not wanted in this country, no matter what her flunkies tell her.

[RisenBelfast]

Well I doubt the Provisional movement will be object to the British queen visiting. They had an opportunity to veto reps in Stormont being able to join the British Commonwealth Parliamentarians Association - did they - no chance - they abstained and let it sail through. I'd expect them to abstain from any protests like they did on Saturday.

[robertemmett]

she is coming to armagh on holy thursday, does that deserve a national mob of republicans?

[Irish Republican Patriot]

Well I doubt the Provisional movement will be object to the British queen visiting. They had an opportunity to veto reps in Stormont being able to join the British Commonwealth Parliamentarians Association - did they - no chance - they abstained and let it sail through. I'd expect them to abstain from any protests like they did on Saturday.

Yes, they have for a long time now stopped protesting against members of the British Royal Family coming to Ireland (e.g. during Frau Lizzie's Golden Jubilee in 2002) because they don't want to offend the poor wee "Unionists", because it's their "culture", and it needs to be "accommodated", the poor wee darlings, blah blah blah.

[Irish Republican Patriot]

she is coming to armagh on holy thursday, does that deserve a national mob of republicans?

In a city of such historic importance to the Irish Nation? - definitely.

[FTA69]

[QUOTE]I responded to a tramping all over what I genuinely believe in, by a person who proclaimed he did not want to do it, If Éirigi are growing Fair play but there growth will not be helped by attacking Sinn Féin poblachtach.

Éirigi never attacked RSF at all, some individual who isn't even a member of the party did, so you feel the need to spout a load of lies and insinuations about other Republicans. That's such pointless behaviour.

Nor will leeches personalising Éirigi's politics and using Éirigi as a tool to beat down Sinn Féin due to a ersons internal insecurity.

Sorry could you clarify this point?

[Ernie O'Malley]

[quote=Ernie O'Malley;77893]



Éirigi never attacked RSF at all, some individual who isn't even a member of the party did, so you feel the need to spout a load of lies and insinuations about other Republicans. That's such pointless behaviour.



Sorry could you clarify this point?

It was the same individual, and I must use what ever means neccessary to defend my lifes beliefs from ridicule, its bad enough taking it in the back of a landie without comng to debate republican politics and hearing the same nonsense.

[FTA69]

So again, because you get into a personal argument with an individual you feel the need to slam other Republicans with lies and all sorts of crap?

For instance if I got into a row with scarface could I then turn around and start calling RSF a shower of b*stards? No I couldn't, because it'd be out of order and completely irrelevant to the subject at hand.

[Ernie O'Malley]

So again, because you get into a personal argument with an individual you feel the need to slam other Republicans with lies and all sorts of crap?

For instance if I got into a row with scarface could I then turn around and start calling RSF a shower of b*stards? No I couldn't, because it'd be out of order and completely irrelevant to the subject at hand.

Look what was relevent was the criticism of RSF holding a similar protest and being sniggered at and ridiculed by someone using eirgi to back up their point, their attack upon RSF using Eirigi was countered, simple as, then they tried to make it personal by telling lies hard lines I didnt start it I finished it,

[Young Irelander]

Anyone know the numbers of Eirigi throughout Ireland?

[FTA69]

I think anyone getting stuck in over nothing needs to cop on, as I said before, I'm not having a go at you personally. We all need to have a bit of maturity and restraint. For instance I could have went off on one about Sinn Féin because Folyleview called Éirigi nutters, but I didn't because it wouldn't serve any purpose to bluster and I may say thingsb I don't really believe and I'd regret it later on.

Anyway, my point has been made so I'll leave it at that.

[FTA69]

They're not doing too badly now at all I believe and they are becoming very organised and active in Dublin especially.

[Young Irelander]

They're not doing too badly now at all I believe and they are becoming very organised and active in Dublin especially.

Yeah I heard they delievered thousands of the Irish Proclamation across Ireland, or they not organised in a 32 County basis?

[FTA69]

Yeah they have members in every province by now I think. I wouldn't be all that up to speed like.

[Young Irelander]

Yeah they have members in every province by now I think. I wouldn't be all that up to speed like.

Sounds like an intresting movement...

[Comrade Ryan]

What is this **** Eirigi had a good protest and so did RSF can we not just say fair play to both organisations for protesting against a British royal visit to our country and leave it at that FFS!!

Sounds good.

I should have learned long ago not to attempt reasoned debate with communitarian the political chameleon!

[RSF-Fianoglach]

RYAN you are nothing but a tool of derission.

[Ernie O'Malley]

Sounds good.

I should have learned long ago not to attempt reasoned debate with communitarian the political chameleon!

Political Chameleon? Im no different than any of the esteemed people I support, your having a laugh you support or at least you attack a different movement daily to justify your ballesness at making a decision, a life spent criticising everyone else while doing nothing your self doesnt give you much of a right to a speak oul hand.:icon_lol: What a sour little no balls Pr!ck:icon_laugh:

I have to agree with FTA69 I shouldnt of let your pathetic attempt to besmirch Sinn Féin result in my attacking of Éirigi I apologise to posters here, but look at this Guy? A no mark upstart with no solid view or opinion no history of activism criticising whole movements and Individual activists for their part in advancing their beliefs a real no hoper as ET would say. and a hostile hypocrite.

[Seabird]

Ernie,

Dead on mo chara, good post.

[Ernie O'Malley]

Ernie,

Dead on mo chara, good post.

Go raibh maith Agat Comrade Seabird.

[Deckie]

Stop with the insults and stay on topic.

[Deckie]

Stop Ernie

Risen Belfast please read your pm's

[Ernie O'Malley]

Sorry I posted it up then seen your intervention. do you want me to delete it?

[RisenBelfast]

Ernie,

Apologies. Terrible tone and phrases in my last posts - now deleted.

To be honest the most genuine thing I can say about the RSF protest is, I was glad to see.

Best.

[Deckie]

Delete you? :icon_lol: No just keep it on topic and not personal

[scarface]

Thankfully cooler heads have prevailed here we were both protesting against the same thing FFS only republicans could have a fight about something we agree on

[Ernie O'Malley]

Ernie,

Apologies. Terrible tone and phrases in my last posts - now deleted.

To be honest the most genuine thing I can say about the RSF protest is, I was glad to see.

Best.

I apologise to you and FTA69 and Éirigi I shouldnt have been defensive and attacked out of provocation just because someone not representitive of Éirigi attacked RSF it was childish. Ive deleted the posts.

I was glad to see Éirigi out and was also delighted to see them challenge the war in Iraq in City centre belfast took balls to do that and shows commitment!

[ciaranxavier]

Do you not think that the protests at the weekend would be more of an encouragement than a deterant ?

would you agree with throwing them in jail as well?

[ciaranxavier]

Ernie,

Dead on mo chara, good post.

seabird i asked you a question on page 2 or 3 of this thread could you please address it?

[Comrade Ryan]

Political Chameleon? Im no different than any of the esteemed people I support, your having a laugh you support or at least you attack a different movement daily to justify your ballesness at making a decision, a life spent criticising everyone else while doing nothing your self doesnt give you much of a right to a speak oul hand.:icon_lol: What a sour little no balls Pr!ck:icon_laugh:

I have to agree with FTA69 I shouldnt of let your pathetic attempt to besmirch Sinn Féin result in my attacking of Éirigi I apologise to posters here, but look at this Guy? A no mark upstart with no solid view or opinion no history of activism criticising whole movements and Individual activists for their part in advancing their beliefs a real no hoper as ET would say. and a hostile hypocrite.

You know nothing about me mate - just another thing to add to your 'I know nothing about' list.

[Comrade Ryan]

Political Chameleon? Im no different than any of the esteemed people I support, your having a laugh you support or at least you attack a different movement daily.

Surely you must be kididng me - when do I attack a different movement daily?

when I refer to you being a political chameleon it is mainly to temper your now holier that thou attitude in relation to RSF. Yes today they are the only true republican movement in your opinion, but that can change as your past demonstrates.

to justify your ballesness at making a decision, a life spent criticising everyone else while doing nothing your self doesnt give you much of a right to a speak oul hand.:icon_lol: What a sour little no balls Pr!ck:icon_laugh:.

Again - you demonstrate a total lack of knowledge here. Please demonstrate some humility man.

How you judge me through a computer screen i'll never know, you are surpassed in that regard by another 'RSF supporter' Tomas. I must decalre though that I can see clear blue se between the actual RSF members here and their supporters here. Despite not having the courage of their convictions to join the group you and tomas are by far the most vociferous proponents of it.

But you do it little justice.

I have to agree with FTA69 I shouldnt of let your pathetic attempt to besmirch Sinn Féin result in my attacking of Éirigi I apologise to posters here, but look at this Guy? A no mark upstart with no solid view or opinion no history of activism criticising whole movements and Individual activists for their part in advancing their beliefs a real no hoper as ET would say. and a hostile hypocrite.

Well we have all got caught up in the whirlwind. It all started from my perspective on you throwing in a childish and goading line about RSF being able to mobilise more people than eirigi - this was the start of the p*ssing contest, nothing more.

When it came to the insults it became a case of anything you can do I can do better. Which is a shame and does none of us credit.

But I must say, that what does you down the most in these posts are the outlandish claims you make about me, without the slightest idea of which or to who you speak.

[Comrade Ryan]

Go raibh maith Agat Comrade Seabird.

What have we here - a case of my enemies enemy is my friend.

Now we all now how these relationships end in tears now don't we.

[Ernie O'Malley]

Okay comrade ryan what ever makes you happy.

Your right I know nothing about you and I shouldnt judge, I also should not rise to provocation even when things get heated and personalise things. Apologies for any discomfort caused and can we please disregard our prejudices against each other and continue to debate the issues only.

[Comrade Ryan]

Okay comrade ryan what ever makes you happy.

Your right I know nothing about you and I shouldnt judge, I also should not rise to provocation even when things get heated and personalise things. Apologies for any discomfort caused and can we please disregard our prejudices against each other and continue to debate the issues only.

I am delighted to say - agreed.

[Ernie O'Malley]

I am delighted to say - agreed.

Go raibh maith agat a chara.

[Risteard]

You'd need to ask RSF why they didn't support éirígí's ongoing activity on this issue
The truth is, of course, that RSF were the first to declare that they would be protesting the visit of Anne Windsor. The other crowd altered the venue and purpose of their protest in response to the fact that they knew that RSF were protesting against the visit.

[Mellows1922]

The truth is, of course, that RSF were the first to declare that they would be protesting the visit of Anne Windsor. The other crowd altered the venue and purpose of their protest in response to the fact that they knew that RSF were protesting against the visit.

"the other crowd", too arrogant to even utter their name.

[Comrade Ryan]

The truth is, of course, that RSF were the first to declare that they would be protesting the visit of Anne Windsor. The other crowd altered the venue and purpose of their protest in response to the fact that they knew that RSF were protesting against the visit.

In response?

I would have thought their already planned protest at the Brit Embassy was re-arranged upon internal discussion as to the presence of Ann Windsor at Croke.

I think there has been enough nonsense on this thread already, can we from this point on just not agree that it was great to see irish people protesting against the visit of british monarchs?

You see the trap we fall in is debating and arguing over questions thrown in for mischief value.