Learn a verb. (beginners come here) [Archive]

JPL

06-11-2007, 09:05 PM

This thread is designated for anyone not familar with gaeilge to learn a verb every day. For the moment, we will deal with past tense and move onto present and future tenses later..

Following a verb, you have who did what.

mé - i
tú - you (singular)
sé - he
sí - she
sinn - we
sibh - you (plural - like ye)
siad - they or them

For example -

Chonaic mé - I saw.
Chonaic sé - He saw.

etc..

mac_talla

06-13-2007, 01:28 PM

Rinne Made/Did

Rinne mé I made/did

Rinne tú you made/did

Etc

mac_talla

06-14-2007, 02:47 PM

Cheannaigh bought

cheannaigh mé I bought

cheannaigh siad they bought

Add a noun and you have a sentence. :D

Cheannaigh sé madra. He bought a dog.

q9876

06-15-2007, 09:42 AM

great thread !!!!

mac_talla

06-15-2007, 02:22 PM

great thread !!!!

Aontáim, a q9876. Thosaigh JohnPortLairge é.

(I agree, q9876. JohnPortLairge started it.)

Thosaigh started :D

mac_talla

06-18-2007, 05:03 PM

Dúirt Said

Dúirt sé He said

Dúirt sí She said

The story of life. ;)

q9876

06-19-2007, 04:56 PM

:D wemen

mac_talla

06-19-2007, 05:12 PM

Did you know Latin has 924 irregular verbs, English 178 and Italian over 400? Irish has only 11. That's right, eleven!

With the exception of thosaigh all others on the thread have been irregular, so, here is another:

Thug gave/brought

Thug siad They gave/brought

Thug sibh You (plural) gave/brought

mac_talla

06-20-2007, 05:47 PM

D'ith ate

D'ith tú You ate

D'ith sinn/muid We ate

mac_talla

06-21-2007, 03:12 PM

First, I must correct myself. Neither thosaigh nor cheannaigh are iregular.All the rest on the thread, so far, are irregular verbs. Remember...only eleven in Irish.

Tháinig came

Now only five to go!

mac_talla

06-21-2007, 06:09 PM

A mhodhnóir:

An féidir leat sticky é seo a dheanamh agus "An cupla focail, gach lá" thread, freisin?

(poster note: also, please correct the above sentence, as required. Go raibh maith agat :D )

mac_talla

06-22-2007, 04:52 PM

Chuala heard

JPL

06-22-2007, 06:21 PM

go maith mac talla :)

mac_talla

06-22-2007, 07:10 PM

go maith mac talla :)

Umm...go raibh maith agat....ach, cén fáth? :D

mac_talla

06-23-2007, 05:34 PM

Rug caught

Recapping: Irish has only eleven irregular verbs (those are the ones that do not keep their root form throughout all the different tenses like present, past, future, etc). So far there has been:

chonaic saw
rinne made
dúirt said
thug gave
d'ith ate
tháinig came
chuala heard

and today's word

rug caught

Only three more to go!

mac_talla

06-24-2007, 10:26 AM

chonaic saw
rinne made
dúirt said
thug gave
d'ith ate
tháinig came
chuala heard
rug caught

chuaigh went

JPL

06-24-2007, 05:00 PM

go h-iontach mac talla :)

mac_talla

06-25-2007, 06:21 PM

fuair got/found

Only one to go....but its a big one folks! :D

mac_talla

06-26-2007, 05:05 AM

Irregular verbs in the past tense covered to date:

tháinig
thug
d'ith
chuala
rug
dúirt
rinne
chuaigh
fuair
chonaic

And now....the last one:

bhí was

*the "to be" verb is irregular in nearly every language, including English.*

JPL

06-27-2007, 02:11 AM

3 tenses.

Bhí mé - I was. (past)
Tá mé - I am. (present)
Beidh mé - I will. (future)

mac_talla

06-27-2007, 05:06 PM

Following johnportlairge's lead with bhí le'ts do the same for the other irregular verbs. The list we have is:

tháinig
thug
d'ith
chuala
rug
dúirt
rinne
chuaigh
fuair
chonaic

So starting with tháinig

tháinig mé I came (past)
tagann mé I come (present)
tiocfaidh mé I will come (future) That one should look familiar. :D

Remember, these are irregular verbs so they change alot, which can be annoying, BUT there are ONLY eleven.

mac_talla

06-28-2007, 01:40 PM

Continueing with the present and future of the irregular verbs:

The list:

bhí
tháinig
thug
d'ith
chuala
rug
dúirt
rinne
chuaigh
fuair
chonaic

Previous:

bhí mé I was (past)
tá mé I am (present)
beidh mé I will (future)

tháinig mé I came (past)
tagann mé I come (present)
tiocfaidh mé I will come (future)

New:

thug mé I gave/brought (past)
tugann mé I give/bring (present)
tabharfaidh mé I will give/bring (future)

JPL

06-28-2007, 03:44 PM

D'ith mé - I ate (past)
Itheann sé - He eats (present)
Íosfaidh sí - She will eat

JPL

06-28-2007, 04:05 PM

Chuala mé - I heard (past)
Cloisim/Cloiseann sé - I hear/He hears
Cloisfidh mé - I will hear (future)

mac_talla

06-29-2007, 01:29 PM

I don't know if anyone else but johnportlairge and I are watching this thread, but I am having tons of fun, anyway. :mbounce:

Onward and upward!

The list:

bhí
tháinig
thug
d'ith
chuala
rug
dúirt
rinne
chuaigh
fuair
chonaic

Previous:

bhí mé I was (past)
tá mé I am (present)
beidh mé I will (future)

tháinig mé I came (past)
tagann mé I come (present)
tiocfaidh mé I will come (future)

thug mé I gave/brought (past)
tugann mé I give/bring (present)
tabharfaidh mé I will give/bring (future)

D'ith mé - I ate (past)
Itheann sé - He eats (present)
Íosfaidh sí - She will eat

Chuala mé - I heard (past)
Cloisim/Cloiseann sé - I hear/He hears
Cloisfidh mé - I will hear (future)

New:

rug sibh You (pl) caught
beireann tú you (sg) are catching
béarfaidh siad they will catch

JPL

06-30-2007, 03:30 PM

dúirt mé - i said
deir mé - i say
déarfaidh mé - i will say

mac_talla

07-05-2007, 06:24 PM

Irregular Verbs:

bhí
tháinig
thug
d'ith
chuala
rug
dúirt
rinne
chuaigh
fuair

Previous:

bhí mé I was (past)
tá mé I am (present)
beidh mé I will (future)

tháinig mé I came (past)
tagann mé I come (present)
tiocfaidh mé I will come (future)

thug mé I gave/brought (past)
tugann mé I give/bring (present)
tabharfaidh mé I will give/bring (future)

D'ith mé - I ate (past)
Itheann sé - He eats (present)
Íosfaidh sí - She will eat

Chuala mé - I heard (past)
Cloisim/Cloiseann sé - I hear/He hears
Cloisfidh mé - I will hear (future)

rug sibh You (pl) caught
beireann tú you (sg) are catching
béarfaidh siad they will catch

dúirt mé - i said
deir mé - i say
déarfaidh mé - i will say

New:

rinne sí she made/did
déanann tú you made/did
déanfaidh mé I will make/do

You should be noticing some trends even with the irregular verbs, particularly with the future tense endings.

mac_talla

07-06-2007, 01:50 PM

Irregular Verbs:

bhí
tháinig
thug
d'ith
chuala
rug
dúirt
rinne
chuaigh
fuair
chonaic

Previous:

bhí mé I was (past)
tá mé I am (present)
beidh mé I will (future)

tháinig mé I came (past)
tagann mé I come (present)
tiocfaidh mé I will come (future)

thug mé I gave/brought (past)
tugann mé I give/bring (present)
tabharfaidh mé I will give/bring (future)

D'ith mé - I ate (past)
Itheann sé - He eats (present)
Íosfaidh sí - She will eat

Chuala mé - I heard (past)
Cloisim/Cloiseann sé - I hear/He hears
Cloisfidh mé - I will hear (future)

rug sibh You (pl) caught
beireann tú you (sg) are catching
béarfaidh siad they will catch

dúirt mé - i said
deir mé - i say
déarfaidh mé - i will say

rinne sí she made/did
déanann tú you made/did
déanfaidh mé I will make/do

New

chuaigh siad they went
téann sé he goes
rachaidh mé I went

Only two more and we are finished with the present and future tenses! Next up is the imperative (when you order someone to do something) and the verbal noun form (that's the ing words of English :) )

Stay tuned!

mac_talla

07-07-2007, 02:52 PM

Irregular Verbs:

bhí
tháinig
thug
d'ith
chuala
rug
dúirt
rinne
chuaigh
fuair
chonaic

Previous:

bhí mé I was (past)
tá mé I am (present)
beidh mé I will (future)

tháinig mé I came (past)
tagann mé I come (present)
tiocfaidh mé I will come (future)

thug mé I gave/brought (past)
tugann mé I give/bring (present)
tabharfaidh mé I will give/bring (future)

D'ith mé - I ate (past)
Itheann sé - He eats (present)
Íosfaidh sí - She will eat (future)

Chuala mé - I heard (past)
Cloisim/Cloiseann sé - I hear/He hears (present)
Cloisfidh mé - I will hear (future)

rug sibh You (pl) caught (past)
beireann tú you (sg) are catching (present)
béarfaidh siad they will catch (future)

dúirt mé - i said (past)
deir mé - i say (present)
déarfaidh mé - i will say (future)

rinne sí she made/did (past)
déanann tú you made/did (present)
déanfaidh mé I will make/do (future)

chuaigh siad they went (past)
téann sé he goes (present)
rachaidh mé I went (future)

New:

fuair muid/sinn we got/found (past)
faigheann sí she gets/finds (present)
gheobhaidh sibh you (pl) will get/find (future)

mac_talla

07-08-2007, 02:27 PM

Irregular Verbs:

bhí
tháinig
thug
d'ith
chuala
rug
dúirt
rinne
chuaigh
fuair
chonaic

Previous:

bhí mé I was (past)
tá mé I am (present)
beidh mé I will (future)

tháinig mé I came (past)
tagann mé I come (present)
tiocfaidh mé I will come (future)

thug mé I gave/brought (past)
tugann mé I give/bring (present)
tabharfaidh mé I will give/bring (future)

D'ith mé - I ate (past)
Itheann sé - He eats (present)
Íosfaidh sí - She will eat (future)

Chuala mé - I heard (past)
Cloisim/Cloiseann sé - I hear/He hears (present)
Cloisfidh mé - I will hear (future)

rug sibh You (pl) caught (past)
beireann tú you (sg) are catching (present)
béarfaidh siad they will catch (future)

dúirt mé - i said (past)
deir mé - i say (present)
déarfaidh mé - i will say (future)

rinne sí she made/did (past)
déanann tú you made/did (present)
déanfaidh mé I will make/do (future)

chuaigh siad they went (past)
téann sé he goes (present)
rachaidh mé I went (future)

fuair muid/sinn we got/found (past)
faigheann sí she gets/finds (present)
gheobhaidh sibh you (pl) will get/find (future)

New:

chonaic sé he saw (past)
feiceann sí she sees (present)
feicfidh mé I will see (future)

This ends the past, present and future for the irregular verbs. Tomorrow will add two more very useful tenses-the imperative (command form) and the verbal noun (ing of English). You will be having a conversation as Gaeilge before you know it! :eusa_dance:

JPL

07-08-2007, 03:59 PM

Also, it should be noted that the preceeding vowel determines the ending of a verb. Slender vowels will end "eann" while broad vowels will end with "ann" for present tense.. Same applies for future tense.. Slender ends "idh" while broad ends in "aidh"

Examples:

Feiceann - "Feic" ends in a slender vowel "i" - hence becomes Feiceann.
Rachaidh - "Rach" ends in a broad vowel "a" - hence becomes Rachaidh.

This is a very easy way to remember how to spell verbs correctly. It makes past, present and future tenses very easy once you remember the irregular verbs.

mac_talla

07-09-2007, 03:18 PM

mac_talla

07-09-2007, 03:35 PM

Irregular verbs are those verbs who do not keep their root form as they pass through the various tenses. The root form is the form used in commands (imperative tense) such as "Be quiet", "Give it to me" or "Don't do that".

Another very helpful verb form is the verbal adjective. This is the equivalent of the ing form of verbs in English.

Continueing with the irregular verbs, here is the list again of the past tense forms:

bhí
tháinig
thug
d'ith
chuala
rug
dúirt
rinne
chuaigh
fuair
chonaic

For the new forms, beginning with bhí:

bí be (imperative) BEE
bheith being (verbal adjective) VEH

mac_talla

07-10-2007, 05:21 PM

Past tense of irregular verbs:

bhí
tháinig
thug
d'ith
chuala
rug
dúirt
rinne
chuaigh
fuair
chonaic

Imperative and verbal adjective forms:

bí be (imperative) BEE
bheith being (verbal adjective) VEH

tar come (imperative) TAHR
ag teacht coming (verbal adjective) EH TYAHKHT

NOTE: ag is pronounced EGG, however the sound of the g's is lost before words beginning with a consonant.

Also, a word about the phonetics. KH represents the sound of the broad "ch" in Irish. This is akin to the sound of ch in the German word ach. The slender "ch" (akin to the ch in the German word ich) is represented by the letters XH

mac_talla

07-10-2007, 06:00 PM

Some of you (and you know who you are) are now saying....what the bleeding ^&*&%$ is this broad and slender stuff they keep mentioning!? :icon_lol:

Pronunciation in Irish is driven by the vowels. Vowels are classified as being long or short and as broad or slender.

Long vowels are the ones with the accent mark. á é í ó ú This mark is the síneadh fada, officially, but usually this is just shortened to fada. Fada happens to be the Irish word for long. (Those Irish are so clever!:) ) The short vowels are the ones without the fada....well, duh.

In addition to being long or short, vowels are also either broad or slender. The broad vowels are a, o and u (they are the roundy ones...you know...broad.) The slender vowels are e and i ( See? They are the skinny ones. :).)

All consonants and consonant combinations, in Irish, have two qualities....either broad or slender. The pronunciation is determined by what vowels precede or follow the consonant or combination. If the vowel is broad, the consonant/combination is pronounced broad, if the vowel is slender, then the consonant/combination is pronounced slender.

When the consonant/combination is in the middle of a word, the vowels surrounding it will always be of the same quality, either both broad, or both slender. This rule is never broken. (great way to be certain something is spelled correctly, by the way. ;) )

This also explains why spellings change depending on meaning. For instance, the Irish word for see is feic. The ending áil is similar to the English ing, but seeing, in Irish, cannot be feicáil because it breaks the broad/slender rule (look at the "c"). So, seeing , in Irish is feiceáil.

Easy peasy, eh? :biggrin:

Seabird

07-11-2007, 02:12 AM

mac talla,

Well i am stumped. . . just wondering if Dathi could make a special room where we could actually hold classes and talk to each other. Not having the audio hurts me because I am lost without the ability to hear the sounds. What do ya think?

mac_talla

07-11-2007, 03:03 AM

mac_talla

07-11-2007, 02:52 PM

mac_talla

07-12-2007, 12:44 PM

Past tense of irregular verbs:

bhí
tháinig
thug
d'ith
chuala
rug
dúirt
rinne
chuaigh
fuair
chonaic

Imperative and verbal adjective forms:

bí be (imperative) BEE
bheith being (verbal adjective) VEH

tar come (imperative) TAHR
ag teacht coming (verbal adjective) EH TYAHKHT

tabhair give (imperative) TOUR
ag tabhairt giving (verbal noun) EH TOURT

ith eat (imperative) IH
ag ithe eating (verbal adjective) EH GIH-huh

Note: the g of ag is pronounced with verbs beginning with vowels.

mac_talla

07-13-2007, 03:32 PM

Past tense of irregular verbs:

bhí
tháinig
thug
d'ith
chuala
rug
dúirt
rinne
chuaigh
fuair
chonaic

Imperative and verbal adjective forms:

bí be (imperative) BEE
a bheith being (verbal adjective) VEH

tar come (imperative) TAHR
ag teacht coming (verbal adjective) EH TYAHKHT

tabhair give (imperative) TOUR
ag tabhairt giving (verbal noun) EH TOURT

ith eat (imperative) IH
ag ithe eating (verbal adjective) EH GIH-huh

clois hear (imperative) CLISH
ag cloisteáil (verbal adjecting) EH KLISH-styawl

mac_talla

07-14-2007, 12:40 PM

mac_talla

07-14-2007, 12:46 PM

Apologies. Although, originally, I used the correct word for the ing form of Irish verbs, ie, verbal noun, for some reason I started labeling them verbal adjective. :wall:

I have no idea why, and I did not catch it until this morning! So very sorry! The forms of the verbs with ag are verbal nouns NOT verbal adjectives.

Everything else is correct.

mac_talla

07-22-2007, 03:31 AM

mac_talla

07-25-2007, 01:20 AM

Past tense of irregular verbs:

bhí
tháinig
thug
d'ith
chuala
rug
dúirt
rinne
chuaigh
fuair
chonaic

Imperative and verbal noun forms:

bí be (imperative) BEE
a bheith being (verbal noun ) VEH

tar come (imperative) TAHR
ag teacht coming (verbal noun) EH TYAHKHT

tabhair give (imperative) TOUR
ag tabhairt giving (verbal noun) EH TOURT

ith eat (imperative) IH
ag ithe eating (verbal noun) EH GIH-huh

clois hear (imperative) CLISH
ag cloisteáil (verbal noun) EH KLISH-styawl

beir catch (imperative) BARE
ag breith catching (verbal noun) EH BREH

abair say (imperative) UH-buhr
ag rá saying (verbal noun) EH RAW

New:

déan do/make (imperative) JANE
ag déanamh doing/making (verbal noun) EH JANE-uhv

mac_talla

07-26-2007, 02:40 AM

Past tense of irregular verbs:

bhí
tháinig
thug
d'ith
chuala
rug
dúirt
rinne
chuaigh
fuair
chonaic

Imperative and verbal noun forms:

bí be (imperative) BEE
a bheith being (verbal noun ) VEH

tar come (imperative) TAHR
ag teacht coming (verbal noun) EH TYAHKHT

tabhair give (imperative) TOUR
ag tabhairt giving (verbal noun) EH TOURT

ith eat (imperative) IH
ag ithe eating (verbal noun) EH GIH-huh

clois hear (imperative) CLISH
ag cloisteáil (verbal noun) EH KLISH-styawl

beir catch (imperative) BARE
ag breith catching (verbal noun) EH BREH

abair say (imperative) UH-buhr
ag rá saying (verbal noun) EH RAW

déan do/make (imperative) JANE
ag déanamh doing/making (verbal noun) EH JANE-uhv

New:

teigh go (imperative) TYAY
ag dul going (verbal noun) EH DULL

Note: The TY used with the phonetics is something very similar to the sound of CH in English. It is not formed the same way, but you would not be that far off if you pronounced teigh like Che (as in Guevarra :) )

mac_talla

07-27-2007, 01:41 AM

Past tense of irregular verbs:

bhí
tháinig
thug
d'ith
chuala
rug
dúirt
rinne
chuaigh
fuair
chonaic

Imperative and verbal noun forms:

bí be (imperative) BEE
a bheith being (verbal noun ) EH VEH

tar come (imperative) TAHR
ag teacht coming (verbal noun) EH TYAHKHT

tabhair give (imperative) TOUR
ag tabhairt giving (verbal noun) EH TOURT

ith eat (imperative) IH
ag ithe eating (verbal noun) EH GIH-huh

clois hear (imperative) CLISH
ag cloisteáil (verbal noun) EH KLISH-styawl

beir catch (imperative) BARE
ag breith catching (verbal noun) EH BREH

abair say (imperative) UH-buhr
ag rá saying (verbal noun) EH RAW

déan do/make (imperative) JANE
ag déanamh doing/making (verbal noun) EH JANE-uhv

teigh go (imperative) TYAY
ag dul going (verbal noun) EH DULL

Next to the last one!

faigh get/find FAH (No doubt this is different in Munster, eh John? :icon_lol:)
ag fáil getting/finding EH FAWL

CONROY

07-28-2007, 03:37 PM

Do you know of any Gaelic lanugage scholls in the Philadelphia area ? Thanks

CONROY

07-28-2007, 03:38 PM

please excuse my spelling, i meant to say schools.

mac_talla

07-29-2007, 12:38 AM

Do you know of any Gaelic lanugage scholls in the Philadelphia area ? Thanks

Try contacting these folks: http://www.irishphiladelphia.com/

Liam Lynch

07-29-2007, 12:45 AM

mac_talla

07-29-2007, 12:57 AM

That form of teaching killed the language.

Thank you for that contribution, Liam. My I ask what you suggest?

Liam Lynch

07-29-2007, 12:59 AM

Thank you for that contribution, Liam. My I ask what you suggest?

Speak the language, don't analyse it.

mac_talla

07-29-2007, 01:03 AM

Speak the language, don't analyse it.

Suimiúil. An bfhuil Gaeilge agat, a Liam?

Liam Lynch

07-29-2007, 01:09 AM

Thank you for that contribution, Liam. My I ask what you suggest?

Suimiúil. An bfhuil Gaeilge agat, a Liam?

Consider the analogy. I wish to teach you how to drive. I begin by giving you a manual as to how an engine works. It details every technical detail that is involved in what happens an engine when someone drives a car and by teaching those details I somehow presume that by you grasping them it automatically infers that you are able to drive. Death of a language

mac_talla

07-29-2007, 01:20 AM

Liam Lynch

07-29-2007, 01:36 AM

Níor d'fhorbair tú an cheist. An dtuigeann tú é?

Pathetic. Bad. Useless. No wonder Tara is being buldozed.

mac_talla

07-29-2007, 01:57 AM

Pathetic. Bad. Useless. No wonder Tara is being buldozed.
The point is Liam. You asked me to speak it and not analyze it. I am speaking it, but you do not appear to understand. How can you criticize me if you, yourself do not speak Irish?

Everyone learns differently. I agree, for some people, lots of grammar and such is useless and boring and puts them off. Others, however, prefer to know the why of things.

I love this language. I don't care how anyone learns or what dialect they use, or whether or not they use things in a grammatically correct way. I just want people to use it and I work my ass off trying to make that happen.

You don't like the thread. Fine. Don't read it. Others have found it useful.

mac_talla

07-29-2007, 04:01 AM

Consider the analogy. I wish to teach you how to drive. I begin by giving you a manual as to how an engine works. It details every technical detail that is involved in what happens an engine when someone drives a car and by teaching those details I somehow presume that by you grasping them it automatically infers that you are able to drive. Death of a language
This isn't the best analogy, but lets stay with it. What you are suggesting by "just speak it" is that I could learn to drive, simply by watchng you from the passenger side, or you could merely toss me the keys and away we would go.

I cannot learn to drive, either way. Some details are necessary. I have to know at least a few traffic laws (like red means stop). I have to understand the function of the brake, gas (and the in the case of my own vehicle) the clutch. I have to understand how to mesh the clutch with the gears and how to move through the gearing, etc.

Otherwise......."Tá sé fear" speech.

JPL

07-29-2007, 11:29 AM

That form of teaching killed the language.

Actually the national school system implemented by Britain killed the language. Nice try.

Liam Lynch

07-29-2007, 12:29 PM

This isn't the best analogy, but lets stay with it. What you are suggesting by "just speak it" is that I could learn to drive, simply by watchng you from the passenger side, or you could merely toss me the keys and away we would go.

I cannot learn to drive, either way. Some details are necessary. I have to know at least a few traffic laws (like red means stop). I have to understand the function of the brake, gas (and the in the case of my own vehicle) the clutch. I have to understand how to mesh the clutch with the gears and how to move through the gearing, etc.

Otherwise......."Tá sé fear" speech.

I have a four year old son. He has conversational english but hasn't a clue concerning grammar or tense. Now consider most people who were taught Irish up to leaving Cert and cannot string a few sentences together. Why? because they were taught the mechanics of the language as opposed to the dialect itself. And worse, it made the subject tortuously boring.

mac_talla

07-29-2007, 12:56 PM

I have a four year old son. He has conversational english but hasn't a clue concerning grammar or tense. Now consider most people who were taught Irish up to leaving Cert and cannot string a few sentences together. Why? because they were taught the mechanics of the language as opposed to the dialect itself. And worse, it made the subject tortuously boring.

Congratulations on your son. Children are a blessing. Children also learn differently than adults. He does not have a conscious clue about the grammar, but he uses it without knowing it, because he learns how to speak from you. Does he have to ever know about it? I suppose that is subject to debate. Would you want him to continue to say things like "I eated my dinner", for instance, when he is 16?

Liam, I am not saying you are wrong. Some people's eyes just start rolling back in their heads when you begin talking about tenses and declensions, etc. Others find it fascinating. I teach what I know. If it doesn't work for you, no worries, but don't assume its true for all. In truth I have not been all that technical and have tried very hard to instill some humour into the boring bits. I have also tried to present practical, "daily use" examples and phrases.

Of course, the ultimate truth of the matter is, if you are determined to learn, you will do so, in spite of the teaching method. If it means enough to you, you won't make excuses about being bored.

By the way....why isn't your son learning Irish? :hmmm:

mac_talla

07-29-2007, 02:10 PM

I swear I put this in last night....but it has disapeared. Liam, did you take it? :icon_lol:

Past tense of irregular verbs:

bhí
tháinig
thug
d'ith
chuala
rug
dúirt
rinne
chuaigh
fuair
chonaic

Imperative and verbal noun forms:

bí be (imperative) BEE
a bheith being (verbal noun ) EH VEH

tar come (imperative) TAHR
ag teacht coming (verbal noun) EH TYAHKHT

tabhair give (imperative) TOUR
ag tabhairt giving (verbal noun) EH TOURT

ith eat (imperative) IH
ag ithe eating (verbal noun) EH GIH-huh

clois hear (imperative) CLISH
ag cloisteáil (verbal noun) EH KLISH-styawl

beir catch (imperative) BARE
ag breith catching (verbal noun) EH BREH

abair say (imperative) UH-buhr
ag rá saying (verbal noun) EH RAW

déan do/make (imperative) JANE
ag déanamh doing/making (verbal noun) EH JANE-uhv

teigh go (imperative) TYAY
ag dul going (verbal noun) EH DULL

faigh get/find FAH (No doubt this is different in Munster, eh John? )
ag fáil getting/finding EH FAWL

And finally....drumroll please:

feic see/look (imperative) FAYK
ag feiceáil seeing/looking (verbal noun) EH FEHK-yawl

Liam Lynch

07-29-2007, 02:16 PM

By the way....why isn't your son learning Irish? :hmmm:

He's just finished Naoinra and will be in Gaelscoil in September.

mac_talla

07-29-2007, 02:21 PM

He's just finished Naoinra and will be in Gaelscoil in September.

Maith thú! Perfect opportunity for you to practice with him, eh? He will pick it up fast, though. You best be ready. :biggrin:

mac_talla

07-29-2007, 03:10 PM

Liam is right that using the language is the best way to internalize it. So, how do we use these verbs? Here is the list of the past tense forms. Remember, these are the irregular ones.

bhí
tháinig
thug
d'ith
chuala
rug
dúirt
rinne
chuaigh
fuair
chonaic

Beginning with the Irish for "to be" the forms are:

bhí was (past tense) VEE
bí be (imperative) BEE
a bheith being (verbal noun ) UH VEH

Examples:

Bhí mé sa siopa. I was in the shop.

Bí ciúin! Be quiet!

Ar mhaith leat cithréim a bheith ort? Do you want to be maimed?

Notice, the last two phrases are great for parents. :icon_lol:

JPL

07-30-2007, 12:03 PM

We all know gaeilge can be taught more efficiently in School, but until the Government pushes for more conversational time in school and outside outings, then it will be only a secondary language.

As far as using a webforum as a medium to learn portions of the language, there is realistically no other way it can be taught. I see you offering alot of criticism Liam, but it has no bearing on this forum's medium.

CONROY

07-30-2007, 04:08 PM

thank you for the contact info

mac_talla

07-31-2007, 01:33 AM

thank you for the contact info
Ná habair é. Don't mention it.

mac_talla

07-31-2007, 01:50 AM

bhí
tháinig
thug
d'ith
chuala
rug
dúirt
rinne
chuaigh
fuair
chonaic

Next one on the list:

tháinig came (past tense)
tar come (imperative)
ag teacht coming (verbal noun)

Examples:

Tháinig sé anseo, aréir. He came here last night.

Tar isteach! Come in!

Tá siad ag teacht sa charr. They are coming in the car.

mac_talla

08-02-2007, 12:54 AM

bhí
tháinig
thug
d'ith
chuala
rug
dúirt
rinne
chuaigh
fuair
chonaic

OK, we have done examples with bhí and tháinig...next is thug.

thug gave/brought (past tense)
tabhair give/bring (imperative)
ag tabhairt giving/bringing (verbal noun)

Examples:

Thug mé duit é. I gave it to you.
Tabhair dom do lamh. Give me your hand. (traditional music buffs should recognize that one. :) )
Bhí an tsagart ag tabhairt seanmóir. The priest was giving a sermon.

mac_talla

08-02-2007, 12:58 AM

Are you noticing anything about the position of verbs in Irish sentences?

weecelticlollo32

10-16-2007, 09:09 AM

whats the past tense of the verb ceannaigh (buy) ?
cheers

broche

10-16-2007, 09:24 AM

Cheannaigh =past tense

weecelticlollo32

10-16-2007, 09:28 AM

aye but if you want to say "I bought" for example..do u really use the whole word cheannaigh? i thought it would be cheann mé or somethin.lol

broche

10-16-2007, 09:30 AM

its cheannaigh me for 'i bought' in the past thense apart from irregular verbs you only add a h unless it doesn't take one

weecelticlollo32

10-16-2007, 09:38 AM

oh rite....so....for example...creideamh..is that irregular? cos i believe that one would be chreid mé??

broche

10-16-2007, 09:40 AM

ehh its not irregular but you have to ask a better speaker than me about that one, but it is definatley Cheannaigh me for the past tense

weecelticlollo32

10-16-2007, 09:50 AM

ok cheers lol

JPL

10-16-2007, 01:41 PM

Ceannaigh is past tense. Ceannaíonn is present tense and ceannóidh would be the future tense.

Creidim is I believe.

duggie-89

10-16-2007, 05:27 PM

OMG i cant believe i haven't started readin dis thread sooner

i am startin til learn irish n dis thread could b great,

(its a long story with our skol n irish i was in one of 2 years that didn't get the chance til learn irish in my skol cause our irish teacher left and we couldn't get a replacement >:( so i am learing now)

yea i am gonna b lost if i dont no what way til pronounce it lol but its a great help!!!!!!

JPL

10-16-2007, 05:34 PM

I'll help you with any pronounciation. Just type a word you want to know and I'll give you the pronounciation for it. We're organising a trip to the gaeltacht for next year, so come along if you want to learn :)

mac_talla

10-17-2007, 01:53 AM

oh rite....so....for example...creideamh..is that irregular? cos i believe that one would be chreid mé??

CREID is not irregular. There are only eleven irregular verbs in Irish. All of them have been covered on this thread. Just look back to the beginning.

creid=root form of the verb believe

creidim/creid mé=I believe

creideann tú/sé/sí/sibh/siad=you/he/she/you-pl/they believe(s)

creidimid=we believe

chreid mé/tú/sé/sí/sibh/siad=I/you/he/she/you-pl/they believed.

chreideamar=we believed

The "h" in the past tense is a hold over from when all past tense verbs were preceded by do which causes lenition. This was removed with the spelling changes in the 1940's but the lenition was retained. To further muck up the picture, verbs that begin with vowels have d' placed at the beginning in the past tense but no "h":

d'ol mé=I drank

weecelticlollo32

10-17-2007, 07:58 AM

i know that, thanks a lot.
i just thought that "i bought" would be cheann mé. is it possible to say that as well, i mean if theres a dialectal difference, or is it definatley cheannaigh?

JPL

10-17-2007, 09:48 AM

i know that, thanks a lot.
i just thought that "i bought" would be cheann mé. is it possible to say that as well, i mean if theres a dialectal difference, or is it definatley cheannaigh?

No, "Cheannaigh mé" is I bought.

If you want to say "I buy" you would say Ceannaíonn mé or in short form, Ceannaím.

mac_talla

10-18-2007, 02:58 AM

i know that, thanks a lot.
i just thought that "i bought" would be cheann mé. is it possible to say that as well, i mean if theres a dialectal difference, or is it definatley cheannaigh?

Sorry....just trying to be helpful. I will butt out now.

ciaranxavier

10-20-2007, 08:49 AM

i dont know if this has already been said but can we get proper prenunciation with all the words. sometime people post them on here without it and im stuck trying to say it and have no idea. thanks

JPL

10-20-2007, 11:53 AM

Sure man, I'll create a thread for pronounciation.

ciaranxavier

10-20-2007, 11:04 PM

thank you

mickyk200

12-03-2007, 05:00 PM

I learnt Donegal Irish at school...I know there's a difference in the pronouncation but is there any differnce in the spelling between say Donegal Irish and the more common "Belfast" Irish

Limerick Hurler

12-03-2007, 11:37 PM

great thread... you should start a website JPL

mac_talla

12-04-2007, 01:24 PM

I learnt Donegal Irish at school...I know there's a difference in the pronouncation but is there any differnce in the spelling between say Donegal Irish and the more common "Belfast" Irish
Nope! No difference. There are sometimes differences in the choice of a word, ie, paiste or leanbh (child) but the spelling was standardized in the 1940's. :)

mac_talla

12-05-2007, 04:51 PM

Anyone interested in this continuing?

bhí
tháinig
thug
d'ith
chuala
rug
dúirt
rinne
chuaigh
fuair
chonaic

OK, we have done examples with bhí and tháinig...next is thug.

thug gave/brought (past tense)
tabhair give/bring (imperative)
ag tabhairt giving/bringing (verbal noun)

Examples:

Thug mé duit é. I gave it to you.
Tabhair dom do lamh. Give me your hand. (traditional music buffs should recognize that one. :) )
Bhí an tsagart ag tabhairt seanmóir. The priest was giving a sermon.

mickyk200

12-05-2007, 04:52 PM

yes please do =]

mac_talla

12-15-2007, 02:35 PM

Aon duine eile? Anyone else?

jester2207

01-03-2008, 03:30 AM

you were kiddin right? This is my favorite forum, Go raigbh mille maith agat.:eusa_dance:

mac_talla

01-04-2008, 01:35 AM

you were kiddin right? This is my favorite forum, Go raigbh mille maith agat.:eusa_dance:
Not kidding. The forum itself will continue, of course. No worries. I was talking specifically about this thread on verbs. :)

mac_talla

01-04-2008, 03:09 PM

OK. It seems that at least two people are interested in continuing with verbs. That's good enough for me! :)

Here is the list of irregular verbs in the past tense, again:

bhí
tháinig
thug
d'ith
chuala
rug
dúirt
rinne
chuaigh
fuair
chonaic

Thug was the last one covered, so now on to d'ith.

d'ith ate (past tense)
ith eat (imperative)
ag ithe eating (verbal noun)

Examples:

D'ith mé mo suipéar. I ate my supper.
Ith do ghlasraí! Eat your vegetables!
Bhí sí ag ithe a lón. She was eating her lunch.

theblacknorth

01-06-2008, 04:05 PM

This is good. Would it be possible to learn how to have short conversations?

mac_talla

01-06-2008, 08:07 PM

This is good. Would it be possible to learn how to have short conversations?

Go raibh maith agat, a theblacknorth. Thank you theblacknorth

Féach, anseo Look here:

http://www.irishrepublican.net/forum/showthread.php?t=6717

mickyk200

01-07-2008, 02:00 PM

any chance of some phonetics for us bluffers?

mac_talla

01-09-2008, 09:15 PM

Continuing with our friends the irregular verbs! :eusa_dance:

bhí VEE
tháinig HAW-nig
thug HOOG (oo sound as in book)
d'ith JIH
chuala HWAHL-uh (heavy H sound, somewhat gutteral almost a kh sound)
rug ROOG (oo sound as in book)
dúirt DEWert (not really two syllables, but a faint seperate er sound)
rinne RIN-yeh
chuaigh HWEYE (heavy H sound)
fuair FOO-ihr (oo as in fool)
chonaic HAH-nik

*capitalization indicates word stress. Hyphens indicate more than one syllable. *

Next up....chuala.

chuala heard (past tense)
clois hear! (imperative) CLISH
ag cloisteáil hearing (verbal noun) EH CLISH-chawl (note: the g of ag EGG is not pronounced before words beginning with a consonant)

Examples:

Chuala daidí thusa agus Bríd ar an staighre. Daddy heard you and Brid on the stairs.
Hwahl-uh DA-jee HOO-suh GUS BREEJ ARE UHN STEYE-ruh
Anois, clois é seo! Now, hear this!
ANISH, CLISH EH SHUH
An bhfuil mé ag cloisteáil éanacha? Am I hearing birds?
UH WILL MAY EH CLISH-stawl AY-nuh-huh (AY as in may)

mickyk200

01-10-2008, 03:27 PM

hehe focal...

mac_talla

01-12-2008, 11:57 AM

any chance of some phonetics for us bluffers?

Apologies, mickyk200. I was not ignoring this post, I was just hoping someone else would address it. :)

This can be done, of course, but bear in mind it may get a bit confusing due not only to dialectical differences, obviously, but mostly due to the fact that not everyone will use the same system for the phonetics., but I will certainly try to remember to do this with my posts.

mac_talla

01-19-2008, 07:40 PM

bhí
tháinig
thug
d'ith
chuala
rug
dúirt
rinne
chuaigh
fuair
chonaic

I am going to skip over rug, for the time being, as it has multiple uses and many idiomatic variables. Will return to it later. So....on to dúirt.

dúirt said (past tense)
abair say! (imperative)
a rá saying (verbal noun)

Examples:

Dúirt an sagart é sin sa séipeal. The priest said that in the chapel.
Abair é sin aris, le do thoil. Say that again, please.
Céard ata tu a rá? What are you saying?

JPL

01-19-2008, 07:43 PM

i pronounce chuaigh - koo-ig
chonaic - cun-ig
rinne - rin-eh
chuala - koola
d'ith - dih

not sure what dialect you are using :)

mac_talla

01-19-2008, 07:49 PM

Please disregard any phonetics previously provided by me.

VzN

01-19-2008, 08:27 PM

Excellent thread here - I'll be checking all the time. It'll be great to stick it to the DUP by speaking in Irish.

JPL

01-20-2008, 03:47 PM

Please disregard any phonetics previously provided by me.

no hun, it's not that they are wrong. they are just a different dialect lol. ;)

i'm just letting you know how i pronounce them here in munster, they are probably ulster dialect..

mickyk200

01-21-2008, 04:02 PM

"I don't know no focal at all"

sorry I just find that funny lol =]

mac_talla

01-21-2008, 04:17 PM

"I don't know no focal at all"

sorry I just find that funny lol =]

No need to apologize. Here is how you say it in Irish:

Níl focal agam. Tá brón orm, ceapaim greannmhar é sin. :icon_lol:

mickyk200

01-21-2008, 04:59 PM

No need to apologize. Here is how you say it in Irish:

Níl focal agam. Tá brón orm, ceapaim greannmhar é sin. :icon_lol:
lol, how 'dya say f*ck off ya orange b*stard?

mac_talla

01-21-2008, 05:39 PM

lol, how 'dya say f*ck off ya orange b*stard?

Tuilí oráiste, téigh trasna ort féin.

mickyk200

01-21-2008, 05:41 PM

Tuilí oráiste, téigh trasna ort féin.
copy>youtube>paste

cheers =]

mac_talla

01-23-2008, 11:06 AM

bhí
tháinig
thug
d'ith
chuala
rug
dúirt
rinne
chuaigh
fuair
chonaic

rinne do/make (past tense)
déan do/make! (imperative)
ag déanamh(verbal noun)

Examples:

Rinne mamaí an tae. Mommy made the tea.
Déan deifir! Hurry up! (Lit: make haste)
Tá sí ag déanamh a cuid oibre. She is doing her work.

mac_talla

01-29-2008, 11:46 PM

bhí
tháinig
thug
d'ith
chuala
rug
dúirt
rinne
chuaigh
fuair
chonaic

chuaigh went (past tense)
téigh go! (imperative)
ag dul going (verbal noun)

Chuaigh siad abhaile cúpla noimead ó shin. They went home a couple of minutes ago.
Téigh abhaile, a leanbh! Go home, children!
Tá mé ag dul abhaile, anois. I am going home, now.

QuinnP

01-31-2008, 07:52 PM

How do you say "Mind your own Business, Bitch!" cuz thats what I want to tell me neighbor. She's an old lady who looks like she's been drinking vineger.

mac_talla

02-01-2008, 06:24 PM

How do you say "Mind your own Business, Bitch!" cuz thats what I want to tell me neighbor. She's an old lady who looks like she's been drinking vineger.

Ní bhaineann sé duit, a bhitseach. It is none of your business, bitch.

(I cannot believe I am promoting the language this way. :icon_lol:)

mac_talla

02-01-2008, 06:43 PM

bhí
tháinig
thug
d'ith
chuala
rug
dúirt
rinne
chuaigh
fuair
chonaic

fuair got/found (past tense)
faigh get/find! (imperative)
ag fáil getting/finding(verbal noun)

Fuair sí cóta nua, inné. She got a new coat, yesterday.
Faigh do chóta! Get your coat!
Tá siad ag fáil a gcótaí. They are getting their coats.

mac_talla

02-05-2008, 10:29 AM

bhí
tháinig
thug
d'ith
chuala
rug
dúirt
rinne
chuaigh
fuair
chonaic

chonaic saw (past tense)
feic see! (imperative)
ag feiceáil seeing (verbal noun)

Chonaic na leanaí na réaltí. The children saw the stars.
Feic na réaltí! See the stars!
Tá sé ag feicáil réaltí. He is seeing stars.

mac_talla

02-15-2008, 06:16 PM

Review of Irregular Verbs:

Key: Root/Past Tense/Present Tense/Future Tense/Verbal Noun

Tar/Tháing/Tagann/Tiocfaidh/ag teacht

Tabhair/Thug/Tugann/Tabharfaidh/ag tabhairt

Ith/D'ith/Itheann/Iosfaidh/ag ithe

Clois/Chuala/Cloiseann/Cloisfidh/ag cloisteáil

Beir/Rug/Beireann/Béarfaidh/ag breith

Abair/Dúirt/Deir/Déarfaidh/ag rá

Déan/Rinne/Déanann/Déanfaidh/ag déanamh

Teigh/Chuaigh/Téann/Rachaidh/ag dul

Faigh/Fuair/Faigheann/Gheobhaidh/ag fáil

Feic/Chonaic/Feiceann/Feicfidh/ag feiceáil

Bí/Bhí/Tá/Beidh/ag bheith

mac_talla

02-22-2008, 06:49 PM

Right. That's it on the irregular verbs. On to the regular!

A regular verb is one which keeps it root form throughout. The root is the form used in commands and this is called the imperative tense. In Irish, regular verbs are placed into two classifications.... Type I and Type II.

Type I verbs are verbs of one syllable, and Type II verbs are those with more than one syllable. And you thought Irish was difficult! :icon_lol:

One example of each type will be posted over the next few weeks until you can recognize the patterns.

Type I

tóg take/build (root/imperative)
thóg took/built (past tense)
tógann take/ build (present tense)
tógfaidh will take/will build (future tense)
ag tógáil building/taking (verbal noun)

Mar shamplaí Examples:

Tóg an bád! Build the boat!
Thóg Seán an bád. Sean built the boat.
Tógann Seán na báid. Sean builds the boats.
Tógfaidh Seán an bád. Sean will build the boat.
Tá Seán ag tógáil an bád. Sean is building the boat.

Type II

ceannaigh buy (root/imperative)
cheannaigh bought (past tense)
ceannaíonn buy (present tense)
ceannóidh will buy (future tense)
ag ceannach buying (verbal noun)

Mar shamplaí:

Ceannaigh bróga! Buy shoes!
Cheannaigh mé na bhróga. I bought the shoes.
Ceannaíonn mé bróga. I buy shoes.
Ceannóidh mé bróga. I will buy shoes.
Bhí mé ag ceannach na bhróga. I was buying the shoes.

QuinnP

02-27-2008, 08:53 PM

grrrrrrr is there any place that I can actually HEAR these lessons? I learn different from most people & I need to be able to hear it to repeat it.

***knocks head against wall***

ow ow ow ow

mac_talla

03-01-2008, 07:23 PM

Type I

dún close (root/imperative)
dhún closed (past tense)
dúnann close/closes (present tense)
dúnfaidh will close (future tense)
ag dúnadh closing (verbal noun)

Mar shamplaí Examples:

Dún an doras! Close the door!
Dhún Seán an doras. Sean closed the door.
Dúnann Seán an doras. Sean closes the door.
Dúnfaidh Seán an doras. Sean will close the door.
Bhí Seán ag dúnadh an doras. Sean was closing the door.

Type II

tosaigh begin/start (root/imperative)
thosaigh began/started (past tense)
tosaíonn begins/starts (present tense)
tosóidh will begin/start (future tense)
ag tosú beginning/starting (verbal noun)

Mar shamplaí:

Tosaigh an scrúdú! Begin the exam!
Thosaigh mé an scrúdú. I began the exam.
Tosaíonn an múinteoir an scrúdú. The teacher begins the exam.
Tosóidh mé an scrúdú, amarach. I will begin the exam, tomorrow.
Bhí mé ag tosú an scrúdú. I was beginning the exam.

JPL

03-02-2008, 05:18 PM

grrrrrrr is there any place that I can actually HEAR these lessons? I learn different from most people & I need to be able to hear it to repeat it.

***knocks head against wall***

ow ow ow ow

I can record them for you if you like? I have a microphone.

mac_talla

03-02-2008, 05:48 PM

Ooooh! Is maith liomsa! :bounce::eusa_dance::thumbsup::D:mbounce::wub:

bay

03-30-2008, 09:00 PM

I can't believe I just found this thread! go raith mile maith agut! YOU ROCK....

Please reveiw pronunciation and meaning for this american dummy!

Key: Root/Past Tense/Present Tense/Future Tense/Verbal Noun

Tar/Tháing/Tagann/Tiocfaidh/ag teacht

Tabhair/Thug/Tugann/Tabharfaidh/ag tabhairt

Ith/D'ith/Itheann/Iosfaidh/ag ithe

Clois/Chuala/Cloiseann/Cloisfidh/ag cloisteáil

Beir/Rug/Beireann/Béarfaidh/ag breith

Abair/Dúirt/Deir/Déarfaidh/ag rá

Déan/Rinne/Déanann/Déanfaidh/ag déanamh

Teigh/Chuaigh/Téann/Rachaidh/ag dul

Faigh/Fuair/Faigheann/Gheobhaidh/ag fáil

Feic/Chonaic/Feiceann/Feicfidh/ag feiceáil

Bí/Bhí/Tá/Beidh/ag bheith

YES JPL... a sound recording would be awesome, more than awesome! (How do I say that in Irish? -- awesome)

bay

03-30-2008, 09:04 PM

PHONETICS PLEASE!!!!! GAwd, I loff this.....xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo
(bay quickly thumbs back to first posts to review the rules...gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa I will learn this I will learn this I will learn this)
(how do I say THAT.. "I will learn this)

Type I

tóg take/build (root/imperative)
thóg took/built (past tense)
tógann take/ build (present tense)
tógfaidh will take/will build (future tense)
ag tógáil building/taking (verbal noun)

Mar shamplaí Examples:

Tóg an bád! Build the boat!
Thóg Seán an bád. Sean built the boat.
Tógann Seán na báid. Sean builds the boats.
Tógfaidh Seán an bád. Sean will build the boat.
Tá Seán ag tógáil an bád. Sean is building the boat.

Type II

ceannaigh buy (root/imperative)
cheannaigh bought (past tense)
ceannaíonn buy (present tense)
ceannóidh will buy (future tense)
ag ceannach buying (verbal noun)

Mar shamplaí:

Ceannaigh bróga! Buy shoes!
Cheannaigh mé na bhróga. I bought the shoes.
Ceannaíonn mé bróga. I buy shoes.
Ceannóidh mé bróga. I will buy shoes.
Bhí mé ag ceannach na bhróga. I was buying the shoes

bay

03-30-2008, 09:15 PM

Oh and Quinn.....

Here's another site for learning,never hurts to have this pounded into us from various directions... and there's a little window to click for pronunciation of some words and phrases

http://www.irishgaelictranslator.com/translation/

mac_talla

03-31-2008, 01:44 AM

Foghlaimeoidh mé é seo. I will learn this.

uamhnach awesome

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