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Hildy
03-08-2008, 07:46 PM
New Irish-language group to be named after dead IRA man
Irish News (http://www.irishnews.com/articles/540/5860/2008/3/7/582031_338760083962NewIrish.html)
By Suzanne McGonagle
07/03/08

SINN Fein has named a new Irish language grouping after an IRA man, despite previously calling for the depoliticiation of the Irish language.

Party president Gerry Adams announced that it would name an Irish language group after Caoimhin Mac Bradaigh, who was killed while pursuing Michael Stone at Milltown Cemetery in March 1988.

Mr Mac Bradaigh, from west Belfast, was a fluent Irish speaker who joined the IRA in 1975 at the age of 17.

Speaking ahead of the launch of the first-ever Irish language Sinn Fein cumann in Dublin, Mr Adams said it was clear that his party was “serious” about the language.

“The first group shall be launched in Dublin, a place which has the biggest population in Ireland, a place where much work is being done for Irish-medium education by parents, activists and teachers and a place where Irish language groups are developing the language with young people,” he said.

“The second cumann shall be launched in Belfast in honour of volunteer Caoimhin Mac Bradaigh who was killed by British agents 20 years ago this week.”

Sinn Fein has previously called for politics to be taken out of Irish language discussions.

Just last May, Francie Brolly said the debate around an Irish language act should not become a “political football”.

“This issue is much too serious to become a bone of contention between the parties,” he said.

The education minister Caitriona Ruane has also accused unionists of treating Irish-medium education as a political football.

“More than 40 questions have been asked by the other side of the house – 6.5 per cent of all education questions – about a sector that accounts for approximately 3,750 children or 1.1 per cent of the school population,” she said.

Pobal, an Irish language umbrella group which campaigns for an Irish lanaguge act, declined to comment on the Sinn Fein move.

However, Gordon McCoy from Ultach – a group that promotes the Irish language in Northern Ireland – said he believed the rows about it in the halls of Stormont did not help to keep the politics out of it.

“Nowadays we have more of a cultural conflict, rather than a military one,” he said.

“But we are seeing more of an interest in Irish among Protestants. There is now more of a move into the cross-community image of language, trying to take it away from the politics.

“But the constant rows in the halls of Stormont don’t help, it’s keeping the politics in the language and to what extent that trickles down to the community could be detrimental.”

Feck off Gordon McCoy! Well done SF!:eusa_clap:

tireoghan
03-08-2008, 10:41 PM
Feck off Gordon McCoy! Well done SF!:eusa_clap:

What he said is right....Sinn Fein are politicising our language, how do you expect Unionists to get involved with it if it is named after an IRA man?
Complete hypocracy!

wherenow
03-08-2008, 10:46 PM
Is Cumann SInn Féin é. Nach é?

Mellows1922
03-08-2008, 10:50 PM
What he said is right....Sinn Fein are politicising our language, how do you expect Unionists to get involved with it if it is named after an IRA man?
Complete hypocracy!

Where have Sinn Fein called for Unionists to get involved with the Irish language ?

Outside of ministerial responsibilities of course, where they should be impartial, regardless of who the organisation is named after.

Liam Lynch
03-08-2008, 10:50 PM
It seems everything now is reduced to an electoral ploy.

MacFeargal
03-08-2008, 10:55 PM
Asking as an American, Non Irish Speaker. Does anyone expect Unionists to be involved? Can and indeed should it be seen as a non-partisan subject?

If so how would the language be re/de constructed so to accomodate all?

Oh and how many Unionists are complaining about not feeling inclusion?

robertemmett
03-08-2008, 10:59 PM
sure let them have all irish speaking cumann. what harm is it? if a bunch of people want to get together and talk about how great the cops are in irish, then fine.

the langauge is big enough to cope with 12 people using it to talk about psf stuff.

in all island gaelic speaking state there would be plenty of unsavory characters and groups using it. you cant say... oh you cant use irish to set up your group cause we dont like your group.

Liam Lynch
03-08-2008, 11:03 PM
Asking as an American, Non Irish Speaker. Does anyone expect Unionists to be involved? Can and indeed should it be seen as a non-partisan subject?

If so how would the language be re/de constructed so to accomodate all?

Oh and how many Unionists are complaining about not feeling inclusion?

The language transcends political efforts to use it as an issue of national identity. If you try and reduce it to a political point of view you debase it to those who would politically try to accuse you of trying to do so.

tireoghan
03-09-2008, 09:30 AM
Where have Sinn Fein called for Unionists to get involved with the Irish language ?

Outside of ministerial responsibilities of course, where they should be impartial, regardless of who the organisation is named after.

Sinn Fein have spent the past 10 years talking about Unionist inclusivity in all things Irish. Barry McElduff (Culture, Arts and Leisure Committee) is on record talking about getting those of a protestant planter tradition involved in the Irish language.

Sinn Fein cannot ride two horses. On the one hand they have left revolutionary politics saying that Unionists cannot be coerced and have to be respected and then persuaded into a United Ireland, then on the other hand they name a Irish language group after an IRA man (someone Unionists see as a terriorist).
If you are going to go down the route of persuading Unionists to join a United Ireland (which is fundamentally how Sinn Fein policy to achieve UI) then it is obvious this action (like the Mairead Farrell stunt in Stormont) will alienate Unionists.

Foyleview
03-09-2008, 12:00 PM
What he said is right....Sinn Fein are politicising our language, how do you expect Unionists to get involved with it if it is named after an IRA man?
Complete hypocracy!

All sinn Fein Cumman are named after deceased Republican Soldiers. why should this one be different just because it uses the mediam of irish to comunicate

enough of the stoopy talk

Ernie O'Malley
03-09-2008, 12:18 PM
All sinn Fein Cumman are named after deceased Republican Soldiers. why should this one be different just because it uses the mediam of irish to comunicate

enough of the stoopy talk


:icon_laugh::icon_laugh::icon_laugh::icon_laugh:

well said st33ve, I think more Catholic, Nationalist, Republicans should join the p s n i. I have been consistant with this opinion through previous threads.
I dont think the pro violence republicans have really stopped to think things through.
how effective would the israili army be if it recruited hisbolagh into its ranks ?


You know its very true... Every thing these guys do takes us backward. i just cannot understand the mentality of people who support them. Before i came to this forum i had only ever met one of these people. I had my family out for lunch and when i returned to the car park and was belting my youngist in. I came under a verbal barage from a young ,what i would call a hooligan. He was shouting at me because i was driving a Landrover. Imagine looking to start something because of the car someone else was driving.Going on about it being british bla bla bla, and how could i etc etc. He then got into a Vauxhall and drove off. These people have nothing to offer only death and misery and are cofrontational junkies.

i KNOW THE QUESTION WAS NOT DIRECTED AT ME BUT MY ANSWER IS YES ! AND IF I SEEN WHO PLANTED THEM I WOULD ALSO POINT THEM OUT.


Just a few reasons why you mentioning stoop talk makes me giggle:icon_laugh::icon_laugh:

tireoghan
03-09-2008, 02:20 PM
All sinn Fein Cumman are named after deceased Republican Soldiers. why should this one be different just because it uses the mediam of irish to comunicate

enough of the stoopy talk


stoopy? good retort.

dddd
03-10-2008, 03:37 PM
I don't agree with this. The politicisation of the Irish language is a bad thing. This is a language, it should be neutral, not mixed up in political thinking. It definitely isn't because I pity British-Unionists. If an individual opposes the Irish language, thats their problem. The British-Unionist community is in a cage of it's own making.

conghaileach
03-17-2008, 12:21 PM
This thread should be in the Main Forum.

And why shouldn't republicans be allowed to promote the Irish language? It is our mother tongue after all. And no group has done more to politicise the Irish language than the unionist political class. Blaming the Shinners for the politicisation of the language is the height of ignorance.

robertemmett
03-17-2008, 12:26 PM
i am not the biggest fan pf psf, but they are just right to do this

wherenow
03-17-2008, 04:36 PM
Ta me an sasta. Cumainn lan gaeilge. iontach

I'm really happy about this. All irish Cumanns brilliant. Has any other party got any? If not, why not?