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[mickyk200]

Just wanted so see if there were many éirígí purists...

[Young Irelander]

Congratulations on getting a section set up.

[MarkyMark]

Im a PSF member but i do support eirigi aswell

[mickyk200]

Im a PSF member but i do support eirigi aswell
Yea sort of half heartedly I support them. I'm not that aware of many their policies but I'll be standing with them up in Armagh rather than RSF.

[robertemmett]

well done eirigi on your new section ;)

[rsfarmagh/keady]

Yea sort of half heartedly I support them. I'm not that aware of many their policies but I'll be standing with them up in Armagh rather than RSF.

We wouldn't want you standing with us anyway

[Hildy]

In solidarity éirígí, fair play to you.

[inchicore_republican]

Fair play lads.

[Comrade Ryan]

I'm a supporter.

Not to sure about the 'eirigi purists' question though?

[mickyk200]

We wouldn't want you standing with us anyway
lol!..trust me chara, the smell of hypocrisy from your side is enough to blind me anyway LMFAO!

[Tomáis Joad]

There is virtually nothing eirigi couldnt have done within Sinn Fein which they have done since leaving. Republicans who are not active are doing very little for the struggle. SF lost some very good people to the breakaway, what benefit has come from it...two commemorations and a few protests in about three years. I hold no ill will to republicans in eirigi I just wish you were on the inside ****ing out inside of being on the outside and not ****ing at all.

[mickyk200]

There is virtually nothing eirigi couldnt have done within Sinn Fein which they have done since leaving. Republicans who are not active are doing very little for the struggle. SF lost some very good people to the breakaway, what benefit has come from it...two commemorations and a few protests in about three years. I hold no ill will to republicans in eirigi I just wish you were on the inside ****ing out inside of being on the outside and not ****ing at all.
If you lads fukking keep up like this I very may will be on the outside!

[JPL]

From what I've read of éirigi - they seem to be a good group of people, but I'm still unsure about all of their policies.

[tireoghan]

Congratulation to éirígí on their new section on the forum. I hope in the near future to become clearer on their policies and direction. A fresh outlet for Irish Republicans can only be a good thing.

[Comrade Ryan]

There is virtually nothing eirigi couldnt have done within Sinn Fein which they have done since leaving. Republicans who are not active are doing very little for the struggle. SF lost some very good people to the breakaway, what benefit has come from it...two commemorations and a few protests in about three years. I hold no ill will to republicans in eirigi I just wish you were on the inside ****ing out inside of being on the outside and not ****ing at all.

Well your depth of knowledge on the subject is clearly very limited.

[FTA69]

[QUOTE]There is virtually nothing eirigi couldnt have done within Sinn Fein which they have done since leaving.

The directions, policies and ideologies of the two parties are very different.

Republicans who are not active are doing very little for the struggle.

I agree, and it is a good thing that éirigi are active on a number of issues and are growing at a very good rate.

SF lost some very good people to the breakaway, what benefit has come from it...two commemorations and a few protests in about three years.

That's simply a load of balls, and éirigi are doing a lot more than what you say in your blasé statement, more importantly the organisation is flying and every month its potential to be something much more grows. To be honest lad, I don't think you have a clue what you are on about, and your opinion comes across as a bit second-hand.

[fergal]

so far eirigi seem like a great group. its just disappointing to see republicanism fragmenting more and more. i know this isn't the fault of eirigi its just an observation.

[Tomáis Joad]

I recognise that Eirigí's policy may be different to Sinn Fein but what have they done (activity wise) which they could not have done while still in Sinn Féin, nothing, apart from march with the 32's.

I suppose I was a little blasé FTA69 but then again I'm a republican in Dublin, you live in North London maybe I have a right to be short when this is effecting my reality as opposed to your theory.

[conghaileach]

I recognise that Eirigí's policy may be different to Sinn Fein but what have they done (activity wise) which they could not have done while still in Sinn Féin, nothing, apart from march with the 32's.

You mean being a Shinner prevents you from supporting other republicans? Maybe that's enough then. (When did they actually march with the 32s, by the way?)

But fundamentally it all comes down to policy. You can only stay so long in a party that you don't share any politics with. Maybe there are people in éirígí who left SF over its decision to support the British colonial police force in the six counties. Maybe there are people in éirígí who left SF when it was attacking classroom assistants trying to defend their working conditions. Maybe there are people in éirígí who left SF when it dropped its economic policies on the eve of the last Free State general election and became, in Adams' own words, a "pro-business" party. And éirígí now has an activist base that's left SF in the dust (which to be fair wouldn't be hard seeing as the Shinners have completely abandoned protest politics.)

[belfast rep]

If you lads fukking keep up like this I very may will be on the outside!
Micky was it you who came off the white pride, if so, i welcome your departure

[DublinRepublican]

You mean being a Shinner prevents you from supporting other republicans? Maybe that's enough then. (When did they actually march with the 32s, by the way?)

But fundamentally it all comes down to policy. You can only stay so long in a party that you don't share any politics with. Maybe there are people in éirígí who left SF over its decision to support the British colonial police force in the six counties. Maybe there are people in éirígí who left SF when it was attacking classroom assistants trying to defend their working conditions. Maybe there are people in éirígí who left SF when it dropped its economic policies on the eve of the last Free State general election and became, in Adams' own words, a "pro-business" party. And éirígí now has an activist base that's left SF in the dust (which to be fair wouldn't be hard seeing as the Shinners have completely abandoned protest politics.) i never thought i'd see you say that conghaileach. But fair play.

[FTA69]

I suppose I was a little blasé FTA69 but then again I'm a republican in Dublin, you live in North London maybe I have a right to be short when this is effecting my reality as opposed to your theory.

With all respect due lad, you're talking nonsense again. I'm Irish, joined Sinn Féin at 14 and was actually in Ógra as well as SF for 5 years. I know exactly what I'm on about thanks. The fact I've been in London for a whopping 9 months doesn't impact on that fact.

[scarface]

There is virtually nothing eirigi couldnt have done within Sinn Fein which they have done since leaving. Republicans who are not active are doing very little for the struggle. SF lost some very good people to the breakaway, what benefit has come from it...two commemorations and a few protests in about three years. I hold no ill will to republicans in eirigi I just wish you were on the inside ****ing out inside of being on the outside and not ****ing at all.

Your really are bitter and twisted about eirigi aren't you? eirigi have done plenty i didn't see your lot protesting a visit to Ireland by the head of the occupying army only RSF and eirigi did that

[1913]

word on the street is Eirigi are up to around 200 members now?

is this an overestimate?

[wjeilis]

Slándáil is a great word.

[wherenow]

Grupa suimiuil.

An intreresting party and you seem to be developing an interesting perspective on the situation here. However, you are yet another republican group. At what point does it become rediculous? I certainly welcome an active republican socialist perspective, but do we need another party? Sf, RSF, IRSP, Éirigi.

Good luck anyway, you may be right.

[Rossa1858]

Hi,

Interesting quotes, however to place a right wing catholic (???) fascist imperialist with that of Che Guevara, is very much like the politics of the SDLP.

I was recommended eirigi as an irish socialist website with a difference however I am now somewhat sceptical with the JFK references!!

Kieran

[FTA69]

I was recommended eirigi as an irish socialist website with a difference however I am now somewhat sceptical with the JFK references!!

What are you on about?

[Comrade Ryan]

Hi,

Interesting quotes, however to place a right wing catholic (???) fascist imperialist with that of Che Guevara, is very much like the politics of the SDLP.

I was recommended eirigi as an irish socialist website with a difference however I am now somewhat sceptical with the JFK references!!

Kieran

JFK references?

[Comrade Ryan]

Grupa suimiuil.

An intreresting party and you seem to be developing an interesting perspective on the situation here. However, you are yet another republican group. At what point does it become rediculous? I certainly welcome an active republican socialist perspective, but do we need another party? Sf, RSF, IRSP, Éirigi.

Good luck anyway, you may be right.

While it would be preferable if all republicans were singing off the same hymn sheet, the fact is that they aren't. People have different politics.

So if there isn't a group that meets your needs or belief system, does that mean that rather than form one that does and do some good positive work, you should just go home and forget you are a republican and leave it to who had a party first to have their own way?

Seems slightly ridiculous.

[wherenow]

While it would be preferable if all republicans were singing off the same hymn sheet, the fact is that they aren't. People have different politics.

So if there isn't a group that meets your needs or belief system, does that mean that rather than form one that does and do some good positive work, you should just go home and forget you are a republican and leave it to who had a party first to have their own way?

Seems slightly ridiculous.

Sin é an rud ceanna i ngach pairti.

How is this ridiculous?

No party that obtains political power in any country has everybody agreeing on all its policies. There is always give and take on positions, that is why they are able to win electorial support. But if people keeping splitting a movement at what point does it become rediculous? Surely you can see that?

The republican vote in Ireland is small in relative terms, yet how many parties do we now have competing for that vote/support?

In relation to your point about finding a group that matches your own beliefs and being active, then great if you can. But in reality are your views the same as everybody in your party? Do you know all their views? So far from debates on here it appears Éirigi have not develpoed positons on a lot of issues. Great, you can be involved in policy formation, but that will arise from debate and DISAGREEMENT.

If you disagree with the outcomes of the Éirigi discussions will you leave?

[Comrade Ryan]

Sin é an rud ceanna i ngach pairti.

How is this ridiculous?

No party that obtains political power in any country has everybody agreeing on all its policies. There is always give and take on positions, that is why they are able to win electorial support. But if people keeping splitting a movement at what point does it become rediculous? Surely you can see that?

The republican vote in Ireland is small in relative terms, yet how many parties do we now have competing for that vote/support?

In relation to your point about finding a group that matches your own beliefs and being active, then great if you can. But in reality are your views the same as everybody in your party? Do you know all their views? So far from debates on here it appears Éirigi have not develpoed positons on a lot of issues. Great, you can be involved in policy formation, but that will arise from debate and DISAGREEMENT.

If you disagree with the outcomes of the Éirigi discussions will you leave?

Don't be so simple.

Groups are not formed as a result of minor disagreements, they are formed as a result of major departures.

If minor disagreements resulted in new orgs, you'd measure them in thousands not fives.

So if here is a major departure within an organisation that a minority just simply can't compromise on - what is your advice to them? Form a vehicle to fight for what they believe in or simply go home and forget that they thought change was important?

It follows then that people find a party which suits their general outlook - not one which meets their very specific outlook. Groups cannot be formed on such a basis.

so eirigi have alot of developing to do but those who have been turned on by it thus far have been on the basis that their foundation beliefs are a bit more than similar.

Their will be differences within the group but I'd assume people won't leave over everyone of them - just as they didn't before.

[wherenow]

Cé mhéad gruapai?

How many groups? Do you really not see from the outside how it looks?

As i have stated, I like what i have seen of what Éirigi is doing and I applaud their activities. However, from the outside the republican movement is beginning to look ridiculous. What is it about the IRSP, RSF, 32CSM or SF that means we need a fifth party. (yes, I know 32CSM are not a party)

http://http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_qHP7VaZE

[Comrade Ryan]

Cé mhéad gruapai?

How many groups? Do you really not see from the outside how it looks?

As i have stated, I like what i have seen of what Éirigi is doing and I applaud their activities. However, from the outside the republican movement is beginning to look ridiculous. What is it about the IRSP, RSF, 32CSM or SF that means we need a fifth party. (yes, I know 32CSM are not a party)

http://http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_qHP7VaZE

Well for a start, and i'm just going to go out on a limb here, but i'm assuming that the people involved in these groups do not view the others as suitable homes for themselves and thus find a more suitable place from which to engage.

Each of these groups have distinct features and histories of their own. Thus making them different and thus different people will find them attractive for different reasons.

I cannot understand how this is so difficult for you to understand.

You're saying the 'republican movement' is beginning to look ridiculous, well I disagree. The only thing which would be ridiculous would be criticising people for forming groups which they believe will be best placed to further their ideals.

What would be ridiculous would be people constraining themselves from engaging in political activity just so as not to crowd the playing field.

And what appears ridiculous is applauding eirigi and its activities whilst questioning its reason for exisiting.

[RisenBelfast]

Comrade has it down well. éirígí members all share a commitment to a Socialist Republic but didn't think they could best advance that within any established group. But just like there isn't and won't be any agreed éirígí position on why they couldn't work within SF there will be no agreed position on why any of those other organisations were not seen as a suitable vehicle.

You have a growing group of activists trying to nurture a project they believe can have a positive impact that are willing to work with others when they believe it will advance their aims (admittedly with possibly teething problems due to the infancy of the party)

Now, whether it is deliberate or not much the direction on this topic seems to be about forcing éirígí into damning SF. That isn't happening. We've all seen how debilitating and pointless that kind of activity is and to be honestI can't see éirígí wasting a moment on it. Its about defining and setting out a stall, working with others when there is agreement and not being drawn into futile squabbles and slagging matches. And if that doesn't suit, its tough.

[wherenow]

You're saying the 'republican movement' is beginning to look ridiculous, well I disagree. The only thing which would be ridiculous would be criticising people for forming groups which they believe will be best placed to further their ideals.

And what appears ridiculous is applauding eirigi and its activities whilst questioning its reason for exisiting.

Unlike you, I do not go around this forum criticising republicans whose views I do not wholly agree with. I applaud anybody who gets off their arse and does something for what they believe. I also do not go around thinking I have the answers to everything, and on this thread I have already said the following when talking about Éirigi.

Good luck anyway, you may be right.

I will repeat my viewpoint that from the outside the number of differing parties on the republican side makes us look less that impressive.

Or do you feel that having more parties makes us look stronger and more unified?

[Comrade Ryan]

Unlike you, I do not go around this forum criticising republicans whose views I do not wholly agree with. I applaud anybody who gets off their arse and does something for what they believe. I also do not go around thinking I have the answers to everything, and on this thread I have already said the following when talking about Éirigi.

Good luck anyway, you may be right.

I will repeat my viewpoint that from the outside the number of differing parties on the republican side makes us look less that impressive.

Or do you feel that having more parties makes us look stronger and more unified?

I do not go around this forum criticising republicans whose views I disagree with, this I feel is implicit in my support for how many groups people feel are needed to pursue their politics. It is not I who has criticised the existance of the various republican and socialist groups at present.

I also applaud anyone who gets off their arse to do something positive and I applaud each and every group seeking to do something positive without questioning the right nor wisdom of the groups to exist.

I also recognise that for more people to get off their arses and do something requires that there exist vehicles for them to do so. Vehicles for them to pursue what they feel is right.

I also do not go around thinking I have the answers to everything. This is one of the reasons that I have been impressed by eirigi thus far. They have been quite open about the fact that they do not have all the answers, which I find quite refreshing.

But having said that, this is a debating forum, where people come to debate. Debate requires that people provide answers to the various questions asked and problems posed. It requires that people answer their critics, friends, foes and opponents. This doesn't mean that all my answers are correct, far from it, but it does mean that I have answers for most things be they correct or incorrect.

I suspect that is something you and I share.

My problem with what you said at the start of this debate was in relation to saying you like what eirgi are doing but then questioning the wisdom of their very existance. This is something I am still struggling to get my head around. If you like what you have seen then why would you not be thankful that this force is in operation?

I also have problems with the idea of people criticising the number of groups presently constituted. The reason for this problem is this: People need whatever vehicles they need to pursue what they feel they need to pursue. The alternative just doesn't bear thinking about as the alternative discourages mass participation in politics in favour of status quo and the powers that be. How would that benefit anything or anyone?

Having said all of that - I don't wish to fall out about it - but I have no problem whatsoever in disagreeing over it.

[wherenow]

Ceart go leor mo chara. Fadhb ar bith. Ni neart go cur le chéile

No problem comrade. As usual on this forum I'm sure we agree on more than we disagree on. Good luck to all those pushing a republican socialist agenda and we must always remember UNITY IS STRENGTH.

[Comrade Ryan]

Ceart go leor mo chara. Fadhb ar bith. Ni neart go cur le chéile

No problem comrade. As usual on this forum I'm sure we agree on more than we disagree on. Good luck to all those pushing a republican socialist agenda and we must always remember UNITY IS STRENGTH.

Yes but unity does not infer we all have to be in the same group. Brian Leeson did a farily good article on this very subject not too long ago. I believe there is a thread posted here about it.

[mickyk200]

Micky was it you who came off the white pride, if so, i welcome your departure
lmfao....

[themadirishpaddy]

The spirit of freedom has been diluted into the thought of gaining the political high ground. Che did say resistance isnt possible when peaceful ways are exhusted, but when Che was in Bolivia, Congo and Cuba these countries at the time did have political parties who were agaisnt the system and agreed with che's ideals but not his motives just like sinn fein proclaiming these talks are the best way. Well if Che didnt rise cuba would be americas little baby still. So should we make a stand or just wait for these talks to take place so we are either too old to do anything or our ex-comrades who joined the crown forces have joined influencual positions within the crown government and will do what is necessary to protect there positions. A bit like those blue shirts, but PSF would rather us forget our history in case we realise that throughout it once men have power they become the problem. Fianna Fail call them selfs republican, some people in finna Geal claim to be republican and now sinn fein after selling not just them selfs out but the honnor of those who died for all, still have the cheek to claim to be republican. Im nearly ashamed to class myself as a republican if these traitors are claiming it. I rather be English and not have a clue about the reality of the UK actions, than a Irish man who knows what there about, what theyve done,what they can do and still join them. Hopefully some one can show me were im wrong but dont think anyone can.

[mickyk200]

The spirit of freedom has been diluted into the thought of gaining the political high ground. Che did say resistance isnt possible when peaceful ways are exhusted, but when Che was in Bolivia, Congo and Cuba these countries at the time did have political parties who were agaisnt the system and agreed with che's ideals but not his motives just like sinn fein proclaiming these talks are the best way. Well if Che didnt rise cuba would be americas little baby still. So should we make a stand or just wait for these talks to take place so we are either too old to do anything or our ex-comrades who joined the crown forces have joined influencual positions within the crown government and will do what is necessary to protect there positions. A bit like those blue shirts, but PSF would rather us forget our history in case we realise that throughout it once men have power they become the problem. Fianna Fail call them selfs republican, some people in finna Geal claim to be republican and now sinn fein after selling not just them selfs out but the honnor of those who died for all, still have the cheek to claim to be republican. Im nearly ashamed to class myself as a republican if these traitors are claiming it. I rather be English and not have a clue about the reality of the UK actions, than a Irish man who knows what there about, what theyve done,what they can do and still join them. Hopefully some one can show me were im wrong but dont think anyone can.
A hello thread not a discussion thread.

[corkfenian]

Have just joined up with eirigi. Although i'm not a proper socialist i like eirigi's statements better than the rest of them.

[RisenBelfast]

Have just joined up with eirigi. Although i'm not a proper socialist i like eirigi's statements better than the rest of them.

Can you clarify that?

Do you mean you are supporting éirígí on the internet/this forum? I doubt you've been accepted for membership if you aren't a socialist.

If this is the case, I suggest you remain independent until you find a party who's positions you do agree with or just remain independent.

This isn't like a sports discussion website where you need to have a favourite team to get involved.

[Comrade Ryan]

corkfenian has not joined eirigi in any shape of the word and would not be welcomed either.

Here's just one of many reasons:

"Socialism cannot work because it spends too much time blabbing on about how money should be spent instead of earning it. Take a look at the fall of the soviet union due to perestroika (economic re-evaluation) now a similar thing is happening in maoist china. So in answer to your question 'North Kerry' socialism is a load of bull invented by middle class wannabes to brainwash the masses into voting for them and getting them into political office......in short, like most 'political doctrines' socialism is another ripoff."

Game, set and match.

[corkfenian]

Can you clarify that?

Do you mean you are supporting éirígí on the internet/this forum? I doubt you've been accepted for membership if you aren't a socialist.

If this is the case, I suggest you remain independent until you find a party who's positions you do agree with or just remain independent.

This isn't like a sports discussion website where you need to have a favourite team to get involved.

Yes i meant i have 'joined' in supporting them. I am aware that this is'nt like supporting a soccer team.
The suggestion of finding a party whose positions i do agree with is what i have been doing. I like a lot of the beleifs of eirigi and am encouraging people to support them. Been doing this since september last.
The innuendo assuming that i have no brains or don't understand things is slightly insulting.

[corkfenian]

corkfenian has not joined eirigi in any shape of the word and would not be welcomed either.

Here's just one of many reasons:

"Socialism cannot work because it spends too much time blabbing on about how money should be spent instead of earning it. Take a look at the fall of the soviet union due to perestroika (economic re-evaluation) now a similar thing is happening in maoist china. So in answer to your question 'North Kerry' socialism is a load of bull invented by middle class wannabes to brainwash the masses into voting for them and getting them into political office......in short, like most 'political doctrines' socialism is another ripoff."

Game, set and match.

I cite the example of the 'Marxist' gerry adams and the 'Socialist' p$f who have done exactly that....betrayed the working class the very basis of shinner support for many years.
Sinn Fein was founded by a centre right political leader Cathal Brugha.
Why do you leftists always insist on people being socialists to support Irish unity.
I am more in favour of the Fenian Uprisings and the political outlook in those days far more relevent than the Morally defunct p$f or any other so called republican parties.
And for your information 'Komerad' i don't have to tell people about my 'other identities' as most 'republican' groups are soooo badly organised it's easy to 'slip thru the net' NATIONAL SOCIALISM is the answer.

[corkfenian]

Oh. and 'Komerad'
You stated 'Here's just one of many reasons' please state some of these 'many reasons

[RisenBelfast]

You disagree with the fundamentals of éirígí's position. I can't understand why you are claiming to support them. If you disagree with socialism and are supporting éirígí in any form you are a seriously confused individual.

[FTA69]

[QUOTE]I cite the example of the 'Marxist' gerry adams and the 'Socialist' p who have done exactly that....betrayed the working class the very basis of shinner support for many years.

Gerry Adams is far from a Marxist.

Sinn Fein was founded by a centre right political leader Cathal Brugha.

It was founded by Arthur Griffith actually. Even so, Republicanism as an ideology is not confined to Sinn Féin.

And for your information 'Komerad' i don't have to tell people about my 'other identities' as most 'republican' groups are soooo badly organised it's easy to 'slip thru the net' NATIONAL SOCIALISM is the answer.

We'll be watching you, start spouting any more of that crap and you take a holiday.

[belfast rep]

And for your information 'Komerad' i don't have to tell people about my 'other identities' as most 'republican' groups are soooo badly organised it's easy to 'slip thru the net'
as it obviously is to slip through the fence of an asylum. Sorry to see eiirigi appeared to a gained a wee Tomas, i am sure you will weed him out soon enough, he is the one with the wee moustace and the side flip

[Comrade Ryan]

Oh. and 'Komerad'
You stated 'Here's just one of many reasons' please state some of these 'many reasons

Funny you should ask that question, after having just provided another to the 'list' of many reasons as to why, far from being a supporter of Eirigi, you are actually an opponent.

"And for your information 'Komerad' i don't have to tell people about my 'other identities' as most 'republican' groups are soooo badly organised it's easy to 'slip thru the net' NATIONAL SOCIALISM is the answer."

This may come as a surprise to you but Nazi's are not welcome in Eirigi, those views are the views of our enemies, which is clearly the position you inhabit.

[Comrade Ryan]

as it obviously is to slip through the fence of an asylum. Sorry to see eiirigi appeared to a gained a wee Tomas, i am sure you will weed him out soon enough, he is the one with the wee moustace and the side flip

Yeah, I wouldn't be at all surprised if this was 'wee Tomas'.

Clearly a person seeking to discredit eirigi by claiming to support them, fortunately, this could only happen in cyber world as this person would be weeded out in two seconds flat in the real world.

[belfast rep]

[QUOTE=Comrade Ryan;101059]Funny you should ask that question, after having just provided another to the 'list' of many reasons as to why,:icon_lol::icon_lol:
it would be a good fundraiser to watch him at an eirigi meeting. i would be prepared pay.
espeecially the part where he tries extract a size 11 boot from his a**e

[Comrade Ryan]

[quote]:icon_lol::icon_lol:
it would be a good fundraiser to watch him at an eirigi meeting. i would be prepared pay.
espeecially the part where he tries extract a size 11 boot from his a**e

:icon_lol:

[corkfenian]

[quote=corkfenian;100962]



Gerry Adams is far from a Marxist.



It was founded by Arthur Griffith actually. Even so, Republicanism as an ideology is not confined to Sinn Féin.



We'll be watching you, start spouting any more of that crap and you take a holiday.

sinn fein was founded in 1905 by Cathal Brugha and one year later was turned into a political party by Arthur griffith as you stated.
Message received and understood about 'holiday'

[Comrade Ryan]

Can you also helpfully state, just for clarification, that as you are a Nazi, and as eirigi is implacably opposed to Nazis, that you are not, in fact, an eirigi supporter?

[corkfenian]

Can you also helpfully state, just for clarification, that as you are a Nazi, and as eirigi is implacably opposed to Nazis, that you are not, in fact, an eirigi supporter?

The post i wrote before where i wrote 'National Socialism is the answer' was an attempt at a joke. I did not think that people would take that seriously. I am not a Nazi nor do i support any group of people who commit genocide on Jews or anyone else.
I was attempting to make the point that ther have been people who 'claimed' to be socialists but in fact were the opposite. The Nazi party was originially founded as a socialist movement but Member no. 558 Adolf Hitler totally changed all that.
A man called Gregor Strasser was the main founder of the National Socialist German Workers Party. It was founded to help the working class in Germany after the first world war and was intended to help German people cope with the extreme privations imposed upon them by the treaty of Versailles. Hitler used them to gain power and then warped their nationalism into somthing very corrupt, also Heinrich Himmler was in many ways responsible for the 'Ideology' of the third reich. I refer you to the book 'The rise and fall of the third reich' by William Shirir. I have just finished reading this book and perhaps thats why it was in my mind.

[corkfenian]

Could you please explain to me what a 'wee Tomas' is. Is this a person who was some sort of infiltrator or someone from history such as 'Silken Thomas'?

[Comrade Ryan]

The post i wrote before where i wrote 'National Socialism is the answer' was an attempt at a joke. I did not think that people would take that seriously. I am not a Nazi nor do i support any group of people who commit genocide on Jews or anyone else.
I was attempting to make the point that ther have been people who 'claimed' to be socialists but in fact were the opposite. The Nazi party was originially founded as a socialist movement but Member no. 558 Adolf Hitler totally changed all that.
A man called Gregor Strasser was the main founder of the National Socialist German Workers Party. It was founded to help the working class in Germany after the first world war and was intended to help German people cope with the extreme privations imposed upon them by the treaty of Versailles. Hitler used them to gain power and then warped their nationalism into somthing very corrupt, also Heinrich Himmler was in many ways responsible for the 'Ideology' of the third reich. I refer you to the book 'The rise and fall of the third reich' by William Shirir. I have just finished reading this book and perhaps thats why it was in my mind.

Good joke.

So -can you also helpfully state, just for clarification, that as you are not a socialist, and as eirigi are explictly socialists, that you are not, in fact, an eirigi supporter?

[Comrade Ryan]

Could you please explain to me what a 'wee Tomas' is. Is this a person who was some sort of infiltrator or someone from history such as 'Silken Thomas'?

He was, as you may be aware, an anti-socialist poster here, who amazingly, had the type of politics that may have mirrored the Nazi party.

[corkfenian]

o.k. i will conceed the point as i am not a socialist i am therefore not a supporter of eirigi. I do support some of the things i saw on their webpage and i am pro United Ireland and end to english occupation of the six counties. I will offer some support to groups who support a United Ireland even if their political viewpoint differs from mine.
I was not aware of who 'wee Tomas' was.

[corkfenian]

At least eirigi got some free advertising. Slan Leat