Join éirígí

[MarkyMark]

If you are interested in joining éirígí or have any questions about membership e-mail membership@eirigi.org or phone 086 236 7298

[theirishlondonerz]

Mark, have you joint eirigi?

[belfast 1916]

i know of people in belfast who applied to join and were knocked back for no apperant reason but if there is one then ill stand to be corrected but i also know of others who were advised that altough they were anti agreement they would be seen as to militant and as such probably wouldnt get in even if they did apply so a critera on what is not accected rather than what is would be much better as people would know were they stand better i suppose

[conghaileach]

but i also know of others who were advised that altough they were anti agreement they would be seen as to militant and as such probably wouldnt get in

Too militant or too militarist?

As I understand it éirígí believes that militarism is a regressive step for republicanism at this point in time, so why wouldn't they turn militarists away?

[MarkyMark]

Mark, have you joint eirigi?

Nope I haven't, I am a member of Sinn Fein

[belfast 1916]

Too militant or too militarist?

As I understand it éirígí believes that militarism is a regressive step for republicanism at this point in time, so why wouldn't they turn militarists away?

well, i live in Belfast i have been a republican all my life as has my family, ive served time in prison for my republican beliefs, i still support irish republicans engaging in armed struggle so this seems to be the only postion that eirigi and i dis-agree on at this time as for all there policys i think there 100% and would maybe like to join eirigi, are you telling me that even after agreeing with almost all things eirigi do they would refuse my application just because i support armed struggle?

[focail amhain]

well, i live in Belfast i have been a republican all my life as has my family, ive served time in prison for my republican beliefs, i still support irish republicans engaging in armed struggle so this seems to be the only postion that eirigi and i dis-agree on at this time as for all there policys i think there 100% and would maybe like to join eirigi, are you telling me that even after agreeing with almost all things eirigi do they would refuse my application just because i support armed struggle?

I've been reading some of the discussion around eirigi's criteria for new members and there would appear to be some confusion. Infact, it would appear to me that some posters are playing silly buggers, trying to stir up trouble.

eirigi is not an opened party in the sense that it would invite all comers into its ranks, nor is a broad political umbrella for all and sundry. It has a clear set of criteria like any other political party.

Anyone seeking to explore membership should contact the party. As for the above poster, he can discuss his views with the party at the point of contact.

How much simpler can it be.

[focail amhain]

meant to say "open ended;". Typos do my fecking head in! .

[mickyk200]

I'm just after e-mailing them.
I have already made myself familiar with their policy statements and I would like to explore membership.

Just asked was there any criteria to meet and was there any éirígí presence in north Armagh already.

[Emiliano Zapata]

I'm just after e-mailing them.
I have already made myself familiar with their policy statements and I would like to explore membership.

Just asked was there any criteria to meet and was there any éirígí presence in north Armagh already.

God help Eirigi.

[focail amhain]

Good on you, micky. I'm sure they will be in tough post haste.

[mickyk200]

Good on you, micky. I'm sure they will be in tough post haste.
They e-mailed me back, and I have forwarded my number to them as requested to discuss my application in person.

[mickyk200]

God help Eirigi.
Yes I am sure they will be rippen they have someone who does not consider Gaelic a dead language in their ranks.

[RisenBelfast]

Micky,

Please be open about your views on immigration and other race related issues. No point in trying to join without having a frank discussion from both sides on what you/éirígí believe. Best of luck and I hope it leads to you reassessing some of the views you have given here that I find objectionable.

[Emiliano Zapata]

Yes I am sure they will be rippen they have someone who does not consider Gaelic a dead language in their ranks.

Well I'm sure you wont be too welcome since you are in fact xenophobic and a white nationalist. :)

[mickyk200]

Micky,

Please be open about your views on immigration and other race related issues. No point in trying to join without having a frank discussion from both sides on what you/éirígí believe. Best of luck and I hope it leads to you reassessing some of the views you have given here that I find objectionable.
I shall, I shall...
But to be perfectly honest I had a little incident regarding a FN at that time. 90% of that was just frustration....

[Emiliano Zapata]

I shall, I shall...
But to be perfectly honest I had a little incident regarding a FN at that time. 90% of that was just frustration....

Excuse my ignorance but what is a FN?

[mickyk200]

Well I'm sure you wont be too welcome since you are in fact xenophobic and a white nationalist. :)
Xenophobic? Hardly...I have many relations that are not Irish.
White nationalist would be an exaggeration. I am proud to be white, as I am proud of every other aspect of my cultural identity. To be perfectly honest, I have little time to be worried about everyone else's colour.

[mickyk200]

Excuse my ignorance but what is a FN?
Not at all mo chara.
Foreign national

[Emiliano Zapata]

I am proud to be white

I'm not going to explain why this is wrong , just don't say it in public.

Eirigi good luck with this one.:)

[mickyk200]

I'm not going to explain why this is wrong
You have already explained and I am yet to care.

just don't say it in public.
I refuse to keep my opinion to myself to save people's blushes.

[RisenBelfast]

I shall, I shall...
But to be perfectly honest I had a little incident regarding a FN at that time. 90% of that was just frustration....

Good on you, mate. Admitting mistakes is a hard thing to do, so fairplay. Be honest about where you've been, where you're at and where you want to be and it should be an interesting chat for both sides.

[Emiliano Zapata]

I refuse to keep my opinion to myself to save people's blushes.

Keeping your opinion to yourself on this issue would probably save you from a trip to the hospital.

[mickyk200]

Good on you, mate. Admitting mistakes is a hard thing to do, so fairplay. Be honest about where you've been, where you're at and where you want to be and it should be an interesting chat for both sides.
Thanks for being so understanding.
I'll not be bluffing my way through this, I will explain myself and not tell them what they want to hear for the sake of admittance. If they think I'm suitable well and good; I want to hit the ground running and get my teeth sunk into something again. If they don't...at least I tried :p

[mickyk200]

Keeping your opinion to yourself on this issue would probably save you from a trip to the hospital.
Well I'm by no means a small man lol
My opinion regarding immigration has somewhat changed since we last discussed it, but if the rep by some fluke has seen the thread then I will explain it.

[mickyk200]

is that a threat emiliano?
OoOoOo...
school gates....half 3...see ya there!

[RisenBelfast]

Thanks for being so understanding.
I'll not be bluffing my way through this, I will explain myself and not tell them what they want to hear for the sake of admittance. If they think I'm suitable well and good; I want to hit the ground running and get my teeth sunk into something again. If they don't...at least I tried :p

Take your time. A discussion on what it means to join a party doesn't have to be complete after the first meeting, digest why you are thinking of joining, challenge the person you are talking to on issues that you are concerned about and views you hold, wait, think, digest, talk again and then after a period of reflection think if it is the right place for you and éirígí. Good luck and even if you/they don't think éirígí works for you hopefully it will have been an empowering engagement.

[Emiliano Zapata]

is that a threat emiliano?

Yes I plan on driving to armagh and punching micky in the face. :)

[mickyk200]

Take your time. A discussion on what it means to join a party doesn't have to be complete after the first meeting, digest why you are thinking of joining, challenge the person you are talking to on issues that you are concerned about and views you hold, wait, think, digest, talk again and then after a period of reflection think if it is the right place for you and éirígí. Good luck and even if you/they don't think éirígí works for you hopefully it will have been an empowering engagement.
Cheers a chara...
Well as you say even if I don't gain membership I can't walk away without gaining something.

[Emiliano Zapata]

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White nationalist would be an exaggeration. I am proud to be white,

Surely this would be a problem when joining a socialist party?

[mickyk200]

Surely this would be a problem when joining a socialist party?
I am also proud to be:-
A catholic
Irish
Celtic supporter
Armagh Fan
A republican

I was not aware self pride was an issue in socialism. I won't be joining the KKK anytime soon, nor will I be shaving my head and running around with boots and braces.
I am not interested in "white pride" or "white power" movements so I fail to see how this will be an issue but I assure you I will raise it when I meet the rep.

Now, it would be extra super special if you could get off my back about me being proud of who I am and stop derailing the thread.

[Anarchos]

I'm not sure why one would be proud to be white.

In any case, good to see another socialist organization coming to life. As always, in solidarity.

[mickyk200]

I'm not sure why one would be proud to be white.
Just because I am.
I'm very big headed you see.

[sublime]

What's there to be proud about in being white? How does that pride express itself?

[mickyk200]

What's there to be proud about in being white? How does that pride express itself?
There is absolutely nothing to be proud of being white, nor being Irish, or anything that I have no control over.

Other than simply being proud and saying it, it doesn't manifest itself in any other way.

[sublime]

There is absolutely nothing to be proud of being whiteWhy are you proud of being white, if that is the case?

[mickyk200]

Why are you proud of being white, if that is the case?
simply because I am...
That's not to say I consider myself of any higher cultural prestige to any other ethnicity. I'm proud of my cultural identity; in saying that I accept others' as well.

[Davey2]

I would see it as a case of Im proud to be Irish, I can't be proud of being anything else because thats what I am. I would take it that Micky feels the same way about skin colour, tbh skin colour doesn't really bother me Im happy being white but I can't say it would bother me if I was a different skin colour.

[mickyk200]

Im happy being white but I can't say it would bother me if I was a different skin colour.
Me too mo chara.
If I was a black Jewish Canadian I'd be just as proud of that as I am a white Catholic Irishman.

[Seán1798]

Me too mo chara.
If I was a black Jewish Canadian I'd be just as proud of that as I am a white Catholic Irishman.

Sounds like you're proud to be a human member of the human race then Micky, don't let the worldwide Black and White racism show drag you into lies about colour.

[conghaileach]

Yes I am sure they will be rippen they have someone who does not consider Gaelic a dead language in their ranks.

There are Irish speakers and language activists in éirígí. Do you even speak an teanga?



I am not interested in "white pride" or "white power" movements so I fail to see how this will be an issue but I assure you I will raise it when I meet the rep.

Didn't you state on this forum that you had read "Mein Kampf" twice?

[Davey2]

I don't know Micky but yous are giving him a hard time of it like, I read the Sun sometimes doesn't mean I beleive everything in it.

I hate that the word white is automatically associated with racism.

[mickyk200]

Sounds like you're proud to be a human member of the human race then Micky, don't let the worldwide Black and White racism show drag you into lies about colour.
We have differnt cultural histories and we should embrace that and this political correctness sh*t attempts us to make us the same.

We are different culturally and that's to be celebrated. No-one is inferior or superior.

[mickyk200]

There are Irish speakers and language activists in éirígí. Do you even speak an teanga?
Tá. I have an silver foina, my Irish leaves alot to be desired and with my studies I don't have a whole lot of time to spare to learn Irish but I will get to it eventually.




Didn't you state on this forum that you had read "Mein Kampf" twice?
I did indeed. I've all sorts of political theory books. I have also lost count of many time I've read the Communist Manifesto and I'm still trying to get my head round Das Kapital in it's entirety.

As a point of interest Leon Trotsky's What is Fascism and how to fight it followed Mein Kampf.

[Seán1798]

We have differnt cultural histories and we should embrace that and this political correctness sh*t attempts us to make us the same.

We are different culturally and that's to be celebrated. No-one is inferior or superior.

White and Black aren't cultures. Irish or Swedish are cultures. If you say white you make everybody the same. Ethiopian or Xhosa are cultures. If you say black you make everybody the same. We aren't.

[mickyk200]

White and Black aren't cultures. Irish or Swedish are cultures. If you say white you make everybody the same. Ethiopian or Xhosa are cultures. If you say black you make everybody the same. We aren't.
There is European heritage to being white and African heritage to being black, something to be embraced and celebrated.

[Seán1798]

There is European heritage to being white and African heritage to being black, something to be embraced and celebrated.

There are very many different African and European heritages, you can't lump them all together according to skin colour. That's like something the British or the Germans would do to divide and rule....oh hang on...they did, my bad.

[mickyk200]

There are very many different African and European heritages, you can't lump them all together according to skin colour. That's like something the British or the Germans would do to divide and rule....oh hang on...they did, my bad.
Yes of course, but European, African, Asian and Native Americans can all be divided into differnt ethnicities but they all share a similar trait in some shape or form.

[Seán1798]

Yes of course, but European, African, Asian and Native Americans can all be divided into differnt ethnicities but they all share a similar trait in some shape or form.

How do you mean like?

[Hessian Peel]

I am also proud to be:-
A catholic
Irish
Celtic supporter
Armagh Fan
A republican

Why did you put Republican last? :hmmm:

[Vox Illuminati]

Why did you put Republican last? :hmmm:

Last sunday was a draw so Tiocfaidh Armagh still supersedes Tiocfaidh ár lá. Ask him again after Armagh go out of the Championship.

[Hessian Peel]

Last sunday was a draw so Tiocfaidh Armagh still supersedes Tiocfaidh ár lá. Ask him again after Armagh go out of the Championship.

:icon_laugh:

[VENCEREMOS32]

[QUOTE=mickyk200;153725]I am also proud to be:-
A catholic
Irish
Celtic supporter
Armagh Fan
A republican


I'm unsure if Religion and Socialism mix well. What’s your opinion on that comrade?

[Hessian Peel]

I'm unsure if Religion and Socialism mix well.

They don't, but that doesn't mean that religious people cannot be socialists.

[Comrade Ryan]

I am also proud to be:-
A catholic
Irish
Celtic supporter
Armagh Fan
A republican

I was not aware self pride was an issue in socialism. I won't be joining the KKK anytime soon, nor will I be shaving my head and running around with boots and braces.
I am not interested in "white pride" or "white power" movements so I fail to see how this will be an issue but I assure you I will raise it when I meet the rep.

Now, it would be extra super special if you could get off my back about me being proud of who I am and stop derailing the thread.

The issue is why would you be proud to be 'white'?

There is no joined up culture or history in being 'white'?

Being proud to be Irish and/or republican fine but 'white'?

I don't quite get it meself.

Perhaps those type of statements are relics of your neo-nazi past micky, may be just may be, its not as far in the past as it might be.

Couldn't see eirigi being interested much.

[Comrade Ryan]

Micky,

Please be open about your views on immigration and other race related issues. No point in trying to join without having a frank discussion from both sides on what you/éirígí believe. Best of luck and I hope it leads to you reassessing some of the views you have given here that I find objectionable.

What are these views on immigration and foreign nationals?

I do recall you making a 'mistake' once and launching into a racist tirade stolen straight from American History X's neo-nazi character.

[Emiliano Zapata]

What are these views on immigration and foreign nationals?


Have a guess. He is a xenophobe, even admitting to laughing at the misfortune of a romanian in his town. :(

[Comrade Ryan]

Have a guess. He is a xenophobe, even admitting to laughing at the misfortune of a romanian in his town. :(

I'd like to hear what micky has to say on the matter too.

[Emiliano Zapata]

I'd like to hear what micky has to say on the matter too.

Probably something like this gem he produced.

Couple of things, the people sitting with the hand out expecting you to give them their living. You can't deny that you don't notice them.

I also remember seeing a documentary about asylum seekers who were caught in France trying to reach England. One man was asked by the interviewer "Do you expect a house and a job in Britain?" The man replied "Yes, house, car, money...no job". There is a streets paved with gold mentality among immigrants.

[Comrade Ryan]

Probably something like this gem he produced.

Nice.

[garrettDA]

I know this might sound stupid but do you have to be an Irish citizen to join éirígí?

[Comrade Ryan]

I know this might sound stupid but do you have to be an Irish citizen to join éirígí?

There are no preconditions regarding nationality or citizenship.

[Hildy]

There are no preconditions regarding nationality or citizenship.

So does that mean I could join, mo chara?

[RisenBelfast]

So does that mean I could join, mo chara?

:icon_lol:

[Hildy]

:icon_lol::icon_lol: You saw through that ruse, did ye mo chara? :icon_lol:

How funny! Two for the price of one!!! I was hoping to get a 'rise' out of Comrade Ryan, but getting a 'rise' out of you is an added bonus and double the fun! Well it was worth a try anyway. I thought I could inconspicuously infiltrate the organization on a covert mission and gather all the highly confidential intelligence to scoop to the Irish News and Alison Morris!:icon_lol:

Just, kidding, done all in good fun! But I honestly hope that wasn't a 'dig' against me. I am a strong, loyal supporter of any group I am involved in.

Cheers, Hildy

[RisenBelfast]

:icon_lol::icon_lol: You saw through that ruse, did ye mo chara? :icon_lol:

How funny! Two for the price of one!!! I was hoping to get a 'rise' out of Comrade Ryan, but getting a 'rise' out of you is an added bonus and double the fun! Well it was worth a try anyway. I thought I could inconspicuously infiltrate the organization on a covert mission and gather all the highly confidential intelligence to scoop to the Irish News and Alison Morris!:icon_lol:

Just, kidding, done all in good fun! But I honestly hope that wasn't a 'dig' against me. I am a strong, loyal supporter of any group I am involved in.

Cheers, Hildy

The idea of you joining éirígí is funny. It'd be like the pope turning into a bear and ****ting in the woods.

[Hildy]

The idea of you joining éirígí is funny. It'd be like the pope turning into a bear and ****ting in the woods.

Oh gawd, brilliant analogy RB!! Is that the best you could come up with??!!:icon_lol:

[RisenBelfast]

Hildy,

Just trying to make this radical departure for you as easy as possible with a few smiles.

Its a delight to see you start to examining the possibility of joining éirígí and hopefully we can all assist you during the transition.

[Comrade Ryan]

So does that mean I could join, mo chara?

I can't see why not, but it would mean serious cat fights with Seabird.

[Comrade Ryan]

:icon_lol::icon_lol: You saw through that ruse, did ye mo chara? :icon_lol:

How funny! Two for the price of one!!! I was hoping to get a 'rise' out of Comrade Ryan, but getting a 'rise' out of you is an added bonus and double the fun! Well it was worth a try anyway. I thought I could inconspicuously infiltrate the organization on a covert mission and gather all the highly confidential intelligence to scoop to the Irish News and Alison Morris!:icon_lol:

Just, kidding, done all in good fun! But I honestly hope that wasn't a 'dig' against me. I am a strong, loyal supporter of any group I am involved in.

Cheers, Hildy

Trying to get a rise out of me were ya?

You have to get up early in the morning to catch me.

:whip:

[Hildy]

Hildy,

Just trying to make this radical departure for you as easy as possible with a few smiles.

Its a delight to see you start to examining the possibility of joining éirígí and hopefully we can all assist you during the transition.

Well it isn't so far-fetched ye know! I have been reading alot about your organization and they have impressed me tremendously. I admire their ability to mobilize with such verocity and assemble an impressive group of members that I respect. I approve of their methods and platforms that they have endorsed so far, so I shall watch and see what transpires in the future with them. They seem to be on the right track. And I thank you for your offer of assistance. That is very kind of you. Comrade Ryan has already answered a multitude of questions I had. I wish them luck in this grassroots effort, and hope to see them succeed! I honestly do!


I can't see why not, but it would mean serious cat fights with Seabird.

:icon_lol::icon_lol: Oh, yeah right!!! Well that might be enough to dissuade me mo chara! :icon_lol: We'd have to join forces to win that battle! Haven't we tried that before? ;)

Oh, and btw, yes you get up way earlier than me, so I will never be able to 'pull one over on you', will I?? You gotta give me credit for trying though!:icon_lol:

[Comrade Ryan]

:icon_lol::icon_lol: Oh, yeah right!!! Well that might be enough to dissuade me mo chara! :icon_lol: We'd have to join forces to win that battle! Haven't we tried that before? ;)

Oh, and btw, yes you get up way earlier than me, so I will never be able to 'pull one over on you', will I?? You gotta give me credit for trying though!:icon_lol:

Indeed.

[Hessian Peel]

Well it isn't so far-fetched ye know! I have been reading alot about your organization and they have impressed me tremendously. I admire their ability to mobilize with such verocity and assemble an impressive group of members that I respect. I approve of their methods and platforms that they have endorsed so far, so I shall watch and see what transpires in the future with them. They seem to be on the right track. And I thank you for your offer of assistance. That is very kind of you. Comrade Ryan has already answered a multitude of questions I had. I wish them luck in this grassroots effort, and hope to see them succeed! I honestly do!

éirígí have the same position (the Republican position) on national sovereignty as the IRSP, RSF and the 32 CSM yet you don't afford those groups the same respect and courtesy. Is it really down to the above organisations support for armed struggle or in the case of the IRSP links to an army? éirígí's level of activity and the sophistication with which they conduct themselves are two reasons why I applied to join, but considering the ideological chasm between Sinn Féin and éirígí I find your confessed flirtations with the organisation to be a little unsettling, And it's not just yourself. but other Shinners on here too.

Or perhaps I'm reading too much into things. :icon_lol:

[Hildy]

Indeed.

Never say Never, mo chara!:)

[Seán1798]

I can't see why not

http://heroicsalmonleap.members.winisp.net/OhReally.jpg

[Comrade Ryan]

éirígí have the same position (the Republican position) on national sovereignty as the IRSP, RSF and the 32 CSM yet you don't afford those groups the same respect and courtesy. Is it really down to the above organisations support for armed struggle or in the case of the IRSP links to an army? éirígí's level of activity and the sophistication with which they conduct themselves are two reasons why I applied to join, but considering the ideological chasm between Sinn Féin and éirígí I find your confessed flirtations with the organisation to be a little unsettling, And it's not just yourself. but other Shinners on here too.

Or perhaps I'm reading too much into things. :icon_lol:

Hessian,

Do you mind me asking if you have had any prior engagements with another political grouping?

[Hessian Peel]

Hessian,

Do you mind me asking if you have had any prior engagements with another political grouping?

I have.

[Comrade Ryan]

I have, why?

Which one?

[Hessian Peel]

which one?

rsm.

[Comrade Ryan]

rsm.

Well then, you should consider the fact that we are many from many backgrounds.

People in Sf have made mistakes but there are still some solid republicans in there fighting with their beliefs and the reality. Many more psychologically bound to an organisation that was their, and many times the family and friends life(s).

But RSM have made many mistakes as well and as an organisation they have not always covered themselves in glory.

People have to, at some point, move on from this nonsense of pointing accusing fingers or else the ideology will die.

While you may harbour doubts about some current SF members/supporters speaking highly of eirigi you should also consider that most in eirigi we once part of that movement and I believe more will come.

But perhaps more importantly you should consider that these feelings can be two-way.

Have you ever considered how people view former RSM members?

Have you considered the maturity it would require for them to move past their past/present experiences and bias?

eirigi, as far as I can see, are willing to move onto new ground. Anyone going to that ground would need to bring a new attitude.

[Hessian Peel]

Well then, you should consider the fact that we are many from many backgrounds.

People in Sf have made mistakes but there are still some solid republicans in there fighting with their beliefs and the reality. Many more psychologically bound to an organisation that was their, and many times the family and friends life(s).

But RSM have made many mistakes as well and as an organisation they have not always covered themselves in glory.

People have to, at some point, move on from this nonsense of pointing accusing fingers or else the ideology will die.

While you may harbour doubts about some current SF members/supporters speaking highly of eirigi you should also consider that most in eirigi we once part of that movement and I believe more will come.

But perhaps more importantly you should consider that these feelings can be two-way.

Have you ever considered how people view former RSM members?

Have you considered the maturity it would require for them to move past their past/present experiences and bias?

eirigi, as far as I can see, are willing to move onto new ground. Anyone going to that ground would need to bring a new attitude.

The point I was making is that these same people sh*t all over other Republicans while singing éirígí's praises.

You have to admit that's questionable behaviour.

[Hildy]

éirígí have the same position (the Republican position) on national sovereignty as the IRSP, RSF and the 32 CSM yet you don't afford those groups the same respect and courtesy. Is it really down to the above organisations support for armed struggle or in the case of the IRSP links to an army? éirígí's level of activity and the sophistication with which they conduct themselves are two reasons why I applied to join, but considering the ideological chasm between Sinn Féin and éirígí I find your confessed flirtations with the organisation to be a little unsettling, And it's not just yourself. but other Shinners on here too.

Or perhaps I'm reading too much into things. :icon_lol:

Why is it 'unsettling' to you Hessian? It's not such a radical stretch.....and your facetious use of the word 'Republican' was used in an effort to 'sting' me with your skepticism. You know nothing about what my ideologies are. You are just like most of the other GFA critics on this panel, who have this predisposed idea about my political beliefs and want to perpetuate the myth that that SF uses brainwashing and some kind of mind control on its members to further their agenda. You may not realize that I have a mind of my own, and intelligence enough to decipher what is right or wrong, or what my beliefs are in this regard. So you can pontificate all you want, but don't be worrisome and lose any sleep about what my 'flirtations' may be. At the end of the day, GFA or Anti-GRA, we all want the same result! And that is reunification, soverignty and self-rule and a United Ireland!

And no, your reading skills are excellent, it's your comprehension that needs brushing up!:icon_lol:

Cheers, Hildy

[Hessian Peel]

Why is it 'unsettling' to you Hessian? It's not such a radical stretch.....and your facetious use of the word 'Republican' was used in an effort to 'sting' me with your skepticism. You know nothing about what my ideologies are. You are just like most of the other GFA critics on this panel, who have this predisposed idea about my political beliefs and want to perpetuate the myth that that SF uses brainwashing and some kind of mind control on its members to further their agenda. You may not realize that I have a mind of my own, and intelligence enough to decipher what is right or wrong, or what my beliefs are in this regard. So you can pontificate all you want, but don't be worrisome and lose any sleep about what my 'flirtations' may be. At the end of the day, GFA or Anti-GRA, we all want the same result! And that is reunification, soverignty and self-rule and a United Ireland!

And no, your reading skills are excellent, it's your comprehension that needs brushing up!:icon_lol:

Cheers, Hildy

Our end goals are quite different I would imagine.

[Comrade Ryan]

The point I was making is that these same people sh*t all over other Republicans while singing éirígí's praises.

You have to admit that's questionable behaviour.

Many take issue with armed actions that they may see as pointless in the current climate.

With the more positive reactions eirigi is receiving perhaps we should judge what lessons are to be learnt?

Perhaps that there are still grounds for the politics at present, a growing ground, but not armed struggle?

People can accept eirigi's arguments but reject those of other republican groups.

In addition, people have and will keep coming to their own conclusions in their own time.

I say leave the door open and make it as easy as possible for those people to walk through it.

Sometimes the attacks on people from other orgs, or on those who 'didn't leave on time' mirror Ian Paisleys 'sack cloth and ashes' speech.

[mickyk200]

Have you considered the maturity it would require for them to move past their past/present experiences and bias?

eirigi, as far as I can see, are willing to move onto new ground. Anyone going to that ground would need to bring a new attitude.
Ryan, as far as I'm concerned you and myself have had our wee spats on this forum and you can cycle back in this thread as far as "white pride" is been concerned but would you object to me joining your party?
Handing out a few leaflets?
Putting up posters etc?

[Comrade Ryan]

Ryan, as far as I'm concerned you and myself have had our wee spats on this forum and you can cycle backs thread as far as "white pride" has been concerned but would you object to me joining your party?
Handing out a few leaflets?
Putting up posters etc?

I don't think being bigotted in the past prevents you from being progressive in the future but only knowing you through this I'd say you're not really 'there' yet.

You still seem to have some views which wouldn't be compatible with eirigi's ethos.

[mickyk200]

I don't think being bigotted in the past prevents you from being progressive in the future but only knowing you through this I'd say you're not really 'there' yet.

You still seem to have some views which wouldn't be compatible with eirigi's ethos.
Well the only thing I would stand up and say "I'll have no part in this" would be éirígí's stance on abortion.

If you would like a more private discussion shall i send you my msn address?

[Hildy]

Our end goals are quite different I would imagine.

What an odd statement for a "Republican" to make! Are you saying you don't want reunification, soverignty with self-rule and a United Ireland! 'Unsettling' to say the least!!

[mickyk200]

What an odd statement for a "Republican" to make! Are you saying you don't want reunification, soverignty with self-rule and a United Ireland! 'Unsettling' to say the least!!
I think he means the republics of which we dream differ...

[Comrade Ryan]

Well the only thing I would stand up and say "I'll have no part in this" would be éirígí's stance on abortion.

If you would like a more private discussion shall i send you my msn address?

But what parts of your repertoire would have eirigi activists standing up and saying "I'll have no part in this!"

After all that more important.

BTW what is eirigi's position on abortion?

[mickyk200]

But what parts of your repertoire would have eirigi activists standing up and saying "I'll have no part in this!"

After all that more important.

BTW what is eirigi's position on abortion?
éirígí are very much pro-choice.

My repertoire and my believes are 2 very differnt things as to polarization within modern republicanism. eirígí closest represent my views.

The only times I could say no to a task éirígí asked of me, would be if it was against the Church or pro-abortion. I would not act against it I would simply not take part. If you understand...

[Comrade Ryan]

éirígí are very much pro-choice.

My repertoire and my believes are 2 very differnt things as to polarization within modern republicanism. eirígí closest represent my views.

The only times I could say no to a task éirígí asked of me, would be if it was against the Church or pro-abortion. I would not act against it I would simply not take part. If you understand...

I haven't seen anything about eirigi and their stance on abortion.

I refer to your views on immigration and your professed pride in being white. It would be my opinion that this is a bit out of kilter with eirigi's ethos.

You seem more of a republican/nationalist than a republican socialist.

[mickyk200]

[QUOTE]I haven't seen anything about eirigi and their stance on abortion.
This is the first time I have referred to it openly...

I refer to your views on immigration and your professed pride in being white. It would be my opinion that this is a bit out of kilter with eirigi's ethos.
Like I say, I have explained that in previous pages in this thread, if you would be so kind to scroll back...

You seem more of a republican/nationalist than a republican socialist.
Ryan, I'm far from a blueshirt...

[Comrade Ryan]

This is the first time I have referred to it openly......

Yeah I understand that, but as I have said I've yet to see anything from eirigi about abortion.


Like I say, I have explained that in previous pages in this thread, if you would be so kind to scroll back......

Well I didn't notice anything about the immigrants but I did see a rather poor explanation as to why you are proud to be 'white'.

I think eirigi would have problems with this statement.


Ryan, I'm far from a blueshirt...

Well you may or may not be, but I don't think you're a republican socialist and eirigi isn't a broad church.

You're either committed to republican socialism totally, or you're not.

If you're not then its not the right place for you.

[mickyk200]

Yeah I understand that, but as I have said I've yet to see anything from eirigi about abortion.




Well I didn't notice anything about the immigrants but I did see a rather poor explanation as to why you are proud to be 'white'.

I think eirigi would have problems with this statement.




Well you may or may not be, but I don't think you're a republican socialist and eirigi isn't a broad church.

You're either committed to republican socialism totally, or you're not.

If you're not then its not the right place for you.
Irregardless, I will explain my position with the éirígí rep when I get speaking to them. I'm in the process of familiarizing myself with the policy papers and I will raise issues such as abortion when I get speaking to them.

In all seriousness, I would prefer someone of the like of yourself or RisenBelfast interviewing me just so I've everything in the open....

[Comrade Ryan]

Irregardless, I will explain my position with the éirígí rep when I get speaking to them. I'm in the process of familiarizing myself with the policy papers and I will raise issues such as abortion when I get speaking to them.

In all seriousness, I would prefer someone of the like of yourself or RisenBelfast interviewing me just so I've everything in the open....

If eirigi took a 'pro-choice' stance would it be enough for you to leave the group - if admitted?

Unfortunatley, I'll not be interviewing you, I can't speak for RB.

[mickyk200]

If eirigi took a 'pro-choice' stance would it be enough for you to leave the group - if admitted?
National liberation comes first and foremost. I believe the Viet Cong had the right approach...

Unfortunatley, I'll not be interviewing you, I can't speak for RB.
Rippen...hey maybe another user will be lol

[Comrade Ryan]

National liberation comes first and foremost. I believe the Viet Cong had the right approach...


Rippen...hey maybe another user will be lol

Are you committed to republican socialism?

[mickyk200]

Are you committed to republican socialism?
I would die for a 32 state free from this capitalist system of rape existing in the 26.

Would that meet éirígí's criteria?

[Comrade Ryan]

I would die for a 32 state free from this capitalist system of rape existing in the 26.

Would that meet éirígí's criteria?

Probably :icon_lol:

If it weren't for some of your more 'reactionary' views I'd say you'd be a good candidate.

[Armaghrifleteam]

this has turned into an interesting debate lol

[mickyk200]

Probably :icon_lol:

If it weren't for some of your more 'reactionary' views I'd say you'd be a good candidate.
Reactionary views...?
I assure you a chara, my SF days are behind me...

[Comrade Ryan]

Reactionary views...?
I assure you a chara, my SF days are behind me...

:icon_lol:

Of course i'm referring to views regarding immigrants and being proud to be 'white'.

Some of your comments have been ever so slightly dodgey.

[Seán1798]

What an odd statement for a "Republican" to make! Are you saying you don't want reunification, soverignty with self-rule and a United Ireland! 'Unsettling' to say the least!!

Can anyone spot what Connolly gave his life for in Hildys "Republican" statement? Me neither, how very odd :hmmm:

[Armaghrifleteam]

I would imagine she was saying that her thoughts about a united ireland are the same as Connolly's, Hessian was saying he thinks they have different goals for a united 32 I would imagine.

But its best for her to respond to this, I don't wanna sound like I'm talking for her or something...

[mickyk200]

:icon_lol:

Of course i'm referring to views regarding immigrants and being proud to be 'white'.

Some of your comments have been ever so slightly dodgey.
I explained my reasoning behind those immigration comments and being proud of my cultural identity before in this thread...

[Hessian Peel]

Can anyone spot what Connolly gave his life for in Hildys "Republican" statement? Me neither, how very odd :hmmm:

Exactly. Connolly was a Marxist, whether some people are comfortable with that image of him or not doesn't come into it. He is the foundation of scientific socialism in Ireland and any group that applies his theory & practice to their activism is on the right road, in my opinion.

[Vox Illuminati]

Exactly. Connolly was a Marxist, whether some people are comfortable with that image of him or not doesn't come into it. He is the foundation of scientific socialism in Ireland and any group that applies his theory & practice to their activism is on the right road, in my opinion.

Unfortunately the most enduring legacies of Connolly in Ireland are a train station and a song. It's about time his legacy was rediscovered and properly pursued.

[mickyk200]

Unfortunately the most enduring legacies of Connolly in Ireland are a train station and a song. It's about time his legacy was rediscovered and properly pursued.
ah but there's money in ignoring his legacy you see....

[Vox Illuminati]

ah but there's money in ignoring his legacy you see....

Oh yeah, there's money in corrupting and manipulating legacies too. It's time that Republicans who think and act democratically and seek to benefit all the people, according to Republican principles, recaptured the Republican legacy and truly honoured it. I sincerely hope that Éirígí is such a group of Republicans.

[mickyk200]

Oh yeah, there's money in corrupting and manipulating legacies too. It's time that Republicans who think and act democratically and seek to benefit all the people, according to Republican principles, recaptured the Republican legacy and truly honoured it. I sincerely hope that Éirígí is such a group of Republicans.
Don't say that....well never get rich that way!
Connelly's legacy is bad for business but 1916 is always a great propaganda campaign come election time....

[Vox Illuminati]

Don't say that....well never get rich that way!
Connelly's legacy is bad for business but 1916 is always a great propaganda campaign come election time....

Your point is?

[mickyk200]

Your point is?
My point is Connelly will never be honored in a 26 county state

[Hessian Peel]

My point is Connelly will never be honored in a 26 county state

Except as a good Catholic bhoy who had a love of the poor.

[Vox Illuminati]

My point is Connelly will never be honored in a 26 county state

So would the solution to this not be to build a New Republican Movement that truly aims to ensure that he is properly honoured by a 32 County Socialist Republic run in accordance with his ideals?

[mickyk200]

So would the solution to this not be to build a New Republican Movement that truly aims to ensure that he is properly honoured and that his ideals are expressed in the administration of a 32 County Socialist Republic?
I think eirígí does it well...

[focail amhain]

I know this might sound stupid but do you have to be an Irish citizen to join éirígí?

not that I am aware. You must have a commitment socialist republican ideals which in an Irish context requires a clear understanding of the relationship between the national and social aspects of the struggle.

[focail amhain]

I think eirígí does it well...

Micky. a statement with racist connotations would not be welcome in eirigi. To say you are proud to be white is, in my view, indicative of racism. As a statement which merely refers to your skin colour, it makes no sense at all.

[Tir Eoghain]

I think eirígí does it well...

You'd be be better going to local lads that know ye Mickey instead of getting interveiwed on an internet forum.:hmmm:

Anyway , hope all goes well for ye.

[garrettDA]

not that I am aware. You must have a commitment socialist republican ideals which in an Irish context requires a clear understanding of the relationship between the national and social aspects of the struggle.
thank you, im trying to learn as much as I can about Ireland's history and the struggle and hopefully I can move there when im done with school.