A message for all republicans.

[boiler-1888]

A chara,
To be a republican today with a belief in ending British rule in the six counties and restoring national sovereignty and re-unification is a crime in the eyes of the 26 county administration. To campaign politically in pursuit of these aims is so great a crime that you could find yourself effectively interned and spending a considerable number of years in prison as a result.

At present they are a substantial number of people in prison on a ‘membership’ charge with no evidence to substantiate this but the opinion of a garda. This is nothing new for republicans for whom injustice is no stranger. Internment aimed at Republicans has been a regular occurrence throughout the history of the 26 county state. In the six counties, the British have not been as blatant to intern people openly, at present, for reasons of political expediency. Instead they have chosen the option of planting falsified evidence and attempted frame ups, fortunately, they have been exposed in quite a number of cases. However, it seems that the British are preparing to copy the tactics of their Free State allies and evidence of an ever increasing campaign of criminalisation is the forbear to the introduction of the draconian measures already employed in the 26 counties.

That such measures are used by our enemies is no surprise, the Republican cause is used as a jackboot of British imperialism and their Free State lackeys. Unjust and repressive measures like these are necessary to keep such corrupt and undemocratic institutions like the Free State and the six county state-let in existence. Perhaps the most hypocritical aspect of this is that those who deploy these repressive measures masquerade as ‘republicans’ and every Easter are quick to seen paying homage to Pearse, Connelly and the martyrs of Easter week. Recently, Martin Mc Guinness and Mark Durkan lauded the success of the 26 county administrations in interning Republicans. These two cheerleaders for internment are no different from the unionist politicians of earlier times who encouraged the British to introduce internment in order to try and save the puppet parliament at Stormont. Martin Mc Guinness once proclaimed in a Free State court room that he was a member of the Derry Brigade and “very, very proud of it” and received a six month jail sentence. At present there are Republicans who are serving six years for membership despite there being no evidence and Martin Mc Guinness welcomes it and moreover, wants it to be introduced in the six counties.

On Easter Sunday he joined Bertie Ahern in Dublin to observe a free state military parade in his capacity as a Crown minister, no doubt to bolster the relationship between the Crown and the Free State and this should be an ominous warning to Republicans in the occupied territory that Mc Guinness and the rest of the British executive is ready to follow Bertie lead and introduce internment. As Mc Guinness stood with Bertie watching the parade of the perpetrators of Ballyseedy and those responsible for the execution of too many Republicans, the Crown force which he gives allegiances to (RUC/PSNI) was in the streets of the Creggan harassing Republicans and intimidating nationalist children.

Nevertheless, Republicans should take heart that we still hold true to the ideals and aspirations of the Proclamation. We have not besmirched the name of republicanism by such acts as allowing imperialist murderers to use our airports whilst on their way to slaughter innocent people, we have not dishonoured republicanism by being mired in corruption and sleaze, we’ve not tried to desecrate our national heritage by running a motorway thorough the Hill of Tara and by not selling our resources to greedy capitalist companies such as Shell. Yes, today in Ireland those in power see republicanism as a crime yet the sectarian drug dealing UDA are received by the President like old friends and Martin Mc Guinness rubs shoulders in Washington with war criminals like George Bush whilst calling for Irish republican to be jailed.

Gary Donnelly
Paddy Mc Daid
Mickey Gallagher
Marty O’ Neill
E3 Portlaoise.

[McLiam]

:eusa_clap:

Hear hear.

[Cedars]

Great post man.:eusa_clap:
:bow:

[ardonian]

On the boys UP THE RA

[taffin22]

boiler
love the purity and genuine sincerity, unfortunately politics is the art of compromise.

[ardonian]

boiler
love the purity and genuine sincerity, unfortunately politics is the art of compromise.


Unfortunately the art of compromise has put Irish Republicans in the dreadful position we are in now.And if compromise was always a tactic what was all the blood shed for?

[Liam Lynch]

boiler
love the purity and genuine sincerity, unfortunately politics is the art of compromise.

Getting your opponent to compromise more.

[taffin22]

yep liam
The GFA provides for irish unity by consent. No dilution of Republican aspirations then.
Dunno what many folk's is worried about.
Time to win the argument.
Imagine the time saved and well spent if the so-called "pure republicans" like boiler etc could get their heads around how unionists maybe persuaded.

I think you're either a shinner or a whinger meself.

Wasn't it the aussies that called the Brits "whinging poms" because they were always complaining. Its not really part of Republicanism to be cry-babies, always reckoned that was the preserve of TUV type loons.

[RisenBelfast]

Those lads could do with a proof reader. (not trying to be offensive but the amount of spelling and grammar mistakes wouldn't look good if it was picked up by the media)

[Carlos McJackle]

[QUOTE]The GFA provides for irish unity by consent.

which means the right to national sovereignty is subject to a unionist veto


No dilution of Republican aspirations then.

which is very much not just a dilution of republican spiratisons but a denial of every republican tenet

Dunno what many folk's is worried about.
Time to win the argument.

youve just lost it


Imagine the time saved and well spent if the so-called "pure republicans" like boiler etc could get their heads around how unionists maybe persuaded.

byeee

I think you're either a shinner or a whinger meself.

Wasn't it the aussies that called the Brits "whinging poms" because they were always complaining. Its not really part of Republicanism to be cry-babies, always reckoned that was the preserve of TUV type loons

already lost interest

[Carlos McJackle]

Those lads could do with a proof reader. (not trying to be offensive but the amount of spelling and grammar mistakes wouldn't look good if it was picked up by the media)

I didn't see any and my standard of english and punctuation is usually pretty ok
I'm not sure Portlaoise maximum security provides proof readers as part of the package .

[taffin22]

"which means the right to national sovereignty is subject to a unionist veto"

in Chinese pentagrams
___ is firm
_-_ is yielding

There's no earthly or spiritual reason why unionists may not at some stage in the future yield.
The tri-colour was always going to have to be embraced not imposed.

Its a question of whether or not you see irish unity as primarily territory, or the peoples coming together and fully accepting each other.

There's a nationalist in every prod, its a question of teasing it out of them.
Having investigated their identity ( unionists ) its a fraud anyway, so maybe finding them guilty of that fraud will help get em off their high horses.
If you can follow that.....

[CMe]

"which means the right to national sovereignty is subject to a unionist veto"

in Chinese pentagrams
___ is firm
_-_ is yielding

There's no earthly or spiritual reason why unionists may not at some stage in the future yield.
The tri-colour was always going to have to be embraced not imposed.

Its a question of whether or not you see irish unity as primarily territory, or the peoples coming together and fully accepting each other.

There's a nationalist in every prod, its a question of teasing it out of them.
Having investigated their identity ( unionists ) its a fraud anyway, so maybe finding them guilty of that fraud will help get em off their high horses.
If you can follow that.....

:errrr:

Right but that neatly skirts around the whole point of not accepting the principle of consent, which the Provos embraced right up until the GFA. Persuading unionists was always an option. However, the point was that the unionists did not have the right to say no, they did not have the right to divide Ireland and it was unacceptable in that manner, it was illegitimate. It was a HUGE capitulation for the Provos to accept the principle of consent, huge. It is was as simple as what you are saying and only a matter of presuading the unionists to say yes, what the **** was it all for?

[VENCEREMOS32]

What exactly does "unionist veto" mean? Please, sorry if it a silly question!

[VENCEREMOS32]

I got it now; they have to 'agree' to things... We're goosed... we need a radical revolutionary political republican party in power in the south so... That’s it... Simple... Is there any potentials that fit the bill?

[CMe]

The principle of consent means that all parties have to agree (to a United Ireland) before it will happen. This in effect gives a 'Unionist veto', as for as long as a majority says no, a United Ireland will not happen. Partition effectively made the north a Unionist majority. The Provos had always maintained partition was illegitimate and therefore to recognise the principle of consent was unacceptable, as the Unionists had no right to say no, and that was one of the tenets the war was based on.

With the GFA, they have accepted the principle of consent and are now trying to tell us that persuasion, which they rejected all those years, is the way to go.

The argument Taffin22 made was breathtaking in that regard, although given it's been ten years since the GFA and more since the Provos were moving towards it, I should not be so surprised at the turnaround in argument. It is an argument that the Provos turned around on a long time ago in that regard.

[CMe]

I got it now; they have to 'agree' to things... We're goosed... we need a radical revolutionary political republican party in power in the south so... That’s it... Simple... Is there any potentials that fit the bill?

Well, that is what SF have been trying to become - that was part of their strategy for the peace process, to become a power in the south as well as the north and sort of pincher squeeze a United Ireland into being that way. The problem is that they are a minority party in the south and the last election was a huge setback for them. Whether or how much they will recover from it is anyone's guess.

In addition to that, SF is very much based around the Adams leadership axis, and its popularity in the south relies heavily on that sort of cult of personality. (For example, his face graces all election material.) When Adams goes, what will happen to the party? Critics maintain that the controlling aspect of the Adams leadership, which has ensured that many key posts are filled with his acolytes, fatally weakens the party in the long term.

This is more evident in the south, which will have an internal fight on its hands (re: potential split) when the northern based leadership goes into greener pastures. The south is always traditionally weaker in the party because the action is up north, so this has meant that coupled with the disaster of the last election (in which Adams' protege did terribly), there's a vacuum there that will find it hard to get filled.

[FreeDerry20]

"which means the right to national sovereignty is subject to a unionist veto"

in Chinese pentagrams
___ is firm
_-_ is yielding

There's no earthly or spiritual reason why unionists may not at some stage in the future yield.
The tri-colour was always going to have to be embraced not imposed.

Its a question of whether or not you see irish unity as primarily territory, or the peoples coming together and fully accepting each other.

There's a nationalist in every prod, its a question of teasing it out of them.
Having investigated their identity ( unionists ) its a fraud anyway, so maybe finding them guilty of that fraud will help get em off their high horses.
If you can follow that.....



if it was going to "teased" out of them i think it would have been a long long time ago.

[Mellows1922]

I didn't see any and my standard of english and punctuation is usually pretty ok
I'm not sure Portlaoise maximum security provides proof readers as part of the package .

Carlos, they namecheck Connolly and didn't even spell his name right.

[taffin22]

CME
i agree the GFA is a compromise, voted for overwhelmingly by north and south.
A military solution was not possible.
I cede further that its "an article of faith" to believe we can turn the prods around.
Some are up for it, others are not.

[VENCEREMOS32]

Its all coming together now for me.. Thanks to Cme, cheers Sir/Mam.. If that’s the strategy, then SF isn’t anywhere near their objective... Wow we're a long way off... & are I correct in saying that this plan would be complete by the 100 anniversary of the Rising, as in less than 8 years...?
So back accepting the GFA agreement, the Unionists have to be ‘convinced’ by the Irish to re unite the Island, both the territory and its people, thus creating a United Ireland... I see…

[andreas]

Good sentiments and well written, i find it incredibly anal for people to pick up on lapses in grammar and spelling when the issue at state here is internment. Perhaps those doing the sneering are secure in the knowledge internment won't extend to them.

[Carlos McJackle]

Carlos, they namecheck Connolly and didn't even spell his name right.

Horror . Im sure James Connolly never made a spelling mistake in any of his statements .

Perhaps if the boys had Tony Blair writing their statements for them their queens english would be up to the impeccable standards of some we could mention. Personally Id overlook a typo in such circumstances

[boiler-1888]

Any spelling mistake or grammer error is mine, i was giving a lenghty piece of paper to type out at 11.30pm. Now someone has blocked the edit mode on the statement.

The spelling on th one i was given is correct.

Sorry if any offence was caused.

[ardonian]

Carlos, they namecheck Connolly and didn't even spell his name right.

And what are you as a Nationalist worried about republican grammar for. Its a POWs statement not paid British enforcers wrote by BRITS.

[CMe]

Its all coming together now for me.. Thanks to Cme, cheers Sir/Mam.. If that’s the strategy, then SF isn’t anywhere near their objective... Wow we're a long way off... & are I correct in saying that this plan would be complete by the 100 anniversary of the Rising, as in less than 8 years...?

Yes, SF publicly committed themselves to a United Ireland by 2016 and gained the backing of many of its supporters by claiming the GFA would make it happen by then.

Gerry Adams - Jan, 2000: BBC News: Sinn Fein president Gerry Adams has predicted there could be a united Ireland in 16 years time. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/601115.stm)
"If we want to make progress then there is no reason whatsoever, from someone who has dealt with the unionists close up, who has dealt with the British close up, no reason why we cannot celebrate the 1916 Rising in the year 2016, in a free and united Ireland."

Mitchel McLaughlin, 2002: Towards 2016 Lecture in Derry (http://www.inacmidatlantic.org/reunification.htm),
"Sinn Fein believes that we are in the last lap in our journey towards a United Ireland of equals- the final phase of struggle. And we believe that many of the 'unionist' tradition recognise this course of events too. The signposts are already there, pointing towards 2016 and the realisation of the vision of a free and sovereign United Ireland."

Martin McGuinness, electioneering in 2003: A UNITED Ireland by 2016 is on the cards, Sinn Fein's Martin McGuinness predicted last night. (http://www.independent.ie/national-news/well-have-a-united-ireland-by-2016-says-mcguinness-196629.html)
With nine days left to the North's Assembly Election, the Mid Ulster MP said at his party's manifesto launch republicans could attain their goal by the centenary of the 1916 Easter Rising. "Certainly it is our view that it can be accomplished over a short period. Gerry Adams has said 2016 and I think that is achievable."

However, in 2008, Adams is singing a slightly different tune: St Patricks Day interview in NY: (http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200880315020)
Asked Friday about the possibility of achieving a united Ireland by 2016, which would be the 100th anniversary of the 1916 Easter Uprising, Adams detoured from the serious tone he maintained throughout his discussion.

“There’s no reason why you can’t have a united Ireland by 2016,” Adams said with a smile. “But if you don’t, don’t blame us.”

As you can see, Adams is conceding the Unionist veto still holding sway over the possibility of a United Ireland.

So back accepting the GFA agreement, the Unionists have to be ‘convinced’ by the Irish to re unite the Island, both the territory and its people, thus creating a United Ireland... I see…

Yes, which was seen by some Republicans as a step backwards from their original position of not accepting the principle of consent. By agreeing to that, that has handed the Unionists a veto over a United Ireland, copper-fastening parition.

[RisenBelfast]

For a long time I believed internal briefings that the intention was to enter Stormont to bring it down and finally demonstrate any internal 6 county settlement would be unworkable. Eventually even this idiot saw that the SF leadership were committed to a strategy of reformism.

[VENCEREMOS32]

For a long time I believed internal briefings that the intention was to enter Stormont to bring it down and finally demonstrate any internal 6 county settlement would be unworkable. Eventually even this idiot saw that the SF leadership were committed to a strategy of reformism.

Who is the idiot you refer to that saw that the SF leadership were committed to a strategy of reformism?

[DublinRepublican]

Any spelling mistake or grammer error is mine, i was giving a lenghty piece of paper to type out at 11.30pm. Now someone has blocked the edit mode on the statement.

The spelling on th one i was given is correct.

Sorry if any offence was caused.

Typical a you Boiler ;)

[Seán1798]

As you can see, Adams is conceding the Unionist veto still holding sway over the possibility of a United Ireland.

No he is conceding that loolaas with few guns and no strategy could come along setting fire to toy shops and swell Unionist numbers.

Ye are the ones copper-fastening partition but it hardly matters because while you're delaying re-unification that only harms the Nationalist Agenda and the Physical Force cause. Republicanism will be fine I think. In fact play at tin soldiers all you like; the Irish People will be United in their hatred of you and the Unity can only help us.

[ourlad]

No he is conceding that loolaas with few guns and no strategy could come along setting fire to toy shops and swell Unionist numbers.

How do you know they dont have a strategy!These boys have shown that they have the ability and the balls to hit the crown forces more than once so i dont think you can call them loolaas with a few guns.If thats all they were they`d be locked up right now

[Davey2]

No he is conceding that loolaas with few guns and no strategy could come along setting fire to toy shops and swell Unionist numbers.

Ye are the ones copper-fastening partition but it hardly matters because while you're delaying re-unification that only harms the Nationalist Agenda and the Physical Force cause. Republicanism will be fine I think. In fact play at tin soldiers all you like; the Irish People will be United in their hatred of you and the Unity can only help us.

Do you only use this website to rattle cages?

P.S.
Do you have no other life other than ir.net cause your in every single thread.