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andreas
05-20-2008, 11:11 AM
32 County Sovereignty Movement
2007 AGM December 1
Motions

Organisation

1.That the AGM instruct the incoming National Executive to divert as much resources as possible to the PRO Department so as to maximise the core message of the 32CSM. This should include a revamping of the National Website, a greater frequency in the issuing of statements and a major sales drive for the Sovereign Nation.
Dublin 32CSM

2.That the name of the local branches of the 32CSM be changed from committees to circles so as to highlight the democratic nature of the organisation.
Sth Armagh 32CSM

3.That this AGM instruct the incoming National Executive to instigate a root and branch appraisal of local committee’s strengths and weaknesses and appoint a functioning director of organisation to assist local branches to operate more effectively.
Sth Down 32CSM

4.That the AGM instruct the incoming national executive to intensify the creation of more local committees and to raise awareness of newly formed committees especially in Co Monaghan.
Monaghan 32CSM

5.That this AGM recommend the constituting of a committee of members with experience in youth organisations/colleges to formulate means and methods to the incoming national executive to promote the movement and recruit people from these organisations/educational establishments.
Monaghan 32CSM

6.That this AGM recognise the success of the outgoing executive and the movement in general in regards to discipline and the conduct of our members nationwide. Where problems have arisen they have been dealt with swiftly, honestly and fairly. We propose that the incoming executive should put continuing emphasis in that field and that the high standards of the previous year be maintained.
Derry 32CSM




7.The movement in Derry city have made great strides since their structures have been formalised and strengthened. We propose that areas where cumann structures are active should endeavour to promote this practice in neighbouring areas. Provincial organisers and other such restructuring should be considered.
Derry 32CSM

8.That this AGM instruct the incoming executive to maintain better communication both between the executive and local cumann and between cumann.
Cork 32CSM


Policy

9.That the AGM instructs the incoming National Executive to develop and implement a Schedule of Tasks for both national and local organisation with the strict view of achieving stated objectives within the lifetime of the new National Executive. Specifically the following areas to be addressed;

National Level

1. A nationwide recruitment drive.
2. National Target Figure for sales of the Sovereign Nation.
3. Draft a Campaign Programme for 32CSM opposition to the EU Constitution.
4. Draft Definitive Proposals for the Republican Unity Initiative.

Local Level

1. Regular and specified contact to be maintained between all local organisations and the NE.
2. All local organisations to develop their own website.
3. Local Target figures for sales of the Sovereign Nation
4. Local recruitment drives with set targets.
Dublin 32CSM

10.That the 32CSM produce an all-island policy on Drug Abuse/Anti Social Behaviour to be used by all local committees in the course of their work in dealing with the media and other concerned groups.
Monaghan 32CSM

11.That this AGM recommend the constituting of a new policy/education committee to draft policy proposals, to promote existing policy and to liaise between national executive and local level in matters of policy and education. That this committee work with the publicity department in developing a programme for new members.
Sth Down 32CSM


12.That this AGM commend the outgoing national executive for their adherence to the constitution throughout the previous year particularly in light of backdoor attempts by people claiming to represent the NIO which had the potential to misrepresent our position. That this AGM further commit to open, democratic dealings with other organisations and that in line with our constitution we only negotiate on issues related to national sovereignty.
Sth Armagh 32CSM

13.That this AGM encourage all republicans to get involved in progressive campaigns such as Rossport, Raytheon and the campaign for a fundamental right to adequate healthcare for all particularly cancer services in the 26 counties.
Derry 32CSM

14.That this AGM recognise the right of the Irish People to National Sovereignty and National Self Determination and that we also recognise the right of Óglaigh na hÉireann to bear arms in defence of that right.
National Executive


International

15.That the 32CSM affiliate itself with the Hands off Venezuela campaign
Sth Armagh 32CSM

16.That the 32CSM maintain and develop international links with fellow revolutionary organisations with a view to articulating the republican position and an alternative perspective on the conflict in Ireland than that peddled by the governments and constitutional parties.
Sth Armagh 32CSM

17.That this AGM send solidarity greetings to anti-imperialist and resistance movements internationally such as Hamas, Hezbollah etc.
Derry 32CSM


Republican Unity

18.That the AGM instructs the incoming National Executive to liaise with the National 1916 Commemoration Committee and the Republican Unity Initiative to commence a programme of annual Easter Commemorations leading to a National Commemoration for the 1916 Centenary in 2016. Following on from the highly successful Unity commemoration at Bodenstown that the same resolve be brought top bear for this Commemorative Programme.
Dublin 32CSM

19.That the successful " family meeting " process which took place in Derry in 2006 be revived and pursued throughout the coming year , and that all sections of the movement be actively encouraged to give their support and active assistance to that process.
Sth Armagh 32CSM

20.That this AGM recommend that we should review the recent campaign for republican co-operation and identify areas which have been beneficial. That we explore further co-operation with groups not already involved in the Republican Unity project.
Derry 32CSM


Sovereign Nation

21.That the publicity department work with the editorial board to ensure a more regular print run of The Sovereign Nation.
Cork 32CSM


Fundraising

22.That this AGM instruct the incoming national executive to provide funds for an industrial printer/copier to be used by the movement in general or that funds be made available to purchase domestic printer/ photocopiers for every area.
Cork 32CSM

23.That the national director of finance work with the local treasurers to ensure that an annual national fundraiser be held with all monies raised going to the national executive for developmental purposes.
Cork 32CSM

24.That areas with proven methods of fundraising share this knowledge with the national executive and other areas in order to relieve financial pressure of the movement and on the IRPWA.
Cork 32CSM

25.That this AGM send solidarity greetings to all republican POW’s and that all areas redouble our efforts to raise finance for them and their families in order to alleviate as much hardship as possible.
Sth Down 32CSM



Other Business

26.That this AGM congratulate the outgoing national executive on their stand against the six county policing arrangements and their involvement in the republican unity initiative.
Sth Down 32CSM

27.That this AGM recommend where possible that old monuments, memorials and plaques of great historical importance in Ireland’s defence of its sovereignty that have been neglected by ungrateful puppet governments and political parties be restored to educate, commemorate and radicalise the general population which could be done on a republican unity basis.
Monaghan 32CSM

28.That this AGM instruct the incoming national executive to provide information or a draft document through local committees and through the publicity department of the various legislation used by the special branch on both sides of the border and ways to protect our members/supporters and their families from harassment as much as possible.
Monaghan 32CSM
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andreas
05-20-2008, 11:12 AM
All motions were passed except motion 2 which was withdrawn by South Armagh after discussion from the floor.

Comrade Ryan
05-20-2008, 11:36 AM
All motions were passed except motion 2 which was withdrawn by South Armagh after discussion from the floor.

Why was motion 2 withdrawn?

Before I got this far I had decided to ask about that motion because I really like the spirit of what the 'revolutionary circle' stands for.

Was it determined to be too close of eirigi's method of organising?

boiler-1888
05-20-2008, 11:55 AM
Why was motion 2 withdrawn?

Before I got this far I had decided to ask about that motion because I really like the spirit of what the 'revolutionary circle' stands for.

Was it determined to be too close of eirigi's method of organising?
No, From Derrys point of view 'Cumann' was known to the people of the City and the Liam Lynch/Patsy Duffy Cumann is very popular in the City.

To suddenly start calling it a circle would cause confusion.

I personlly think it would make the cumann sound like a cult. However i can the democratic reasoning behind it.

Liam Lynch
05-20-2008, 11:56 AM
Why was motion 2 withdrawn?

Before I got this far I had decided to ask about that motion because I really like the spirit of what the 'revolutionary circle' stands for.

Was it determined to be too close of eirigi's method of organising?

Fenianism.

andreas
05-20-2008, 12:02 PM
The thinking behind it was from the IRB and fenianism, however it was pointed out that eirigi were organised into circles, the delegate from S/Armagh stated that that was not a good reason not to do it. S/Armagh thought that the cumann structure was too rigid and too hierarcical and that it was a SF throwback and that the SF project had failed, however the majority in the hall thought that with cumanns well established in certain areas a change may cause confusion, it was withdrawn so that it can be revisited at a later date.

Comrade Ryan
05-20-2008, 12:26 PM
Fenianism.

Sorry I didn't mean that eirigi had invented the idea of organising into circles, its a well trodden path for revolutionaries around the world.

I had just meant that as eirigi currently organises in this fashion that it may have played a part in discussion and as Andreas has now indicated I was correct.

I was also thrown by the 'committee' to 'circle' I thought you were organised as 'committees' there for a second and not 'cumann'.

Liam Lynch
05-20-2008, 12:35 PM
Sorry I didn't mean that eirigi had invented the idea of organising into circles, its a well trodden path for revolutionaries around the world.

I had just meant that as eirigi currently organises in this fashion that it may have played a part in discussion and as Andreas has now indicated I was correct.

I was also thrown by the 'committee' to 'circle' I thought you were organised as 'committees' there for a second and not 'cumann'.

It was an intention to make the movement more democratic and to move away from the Sinn Fein model. Its an issue that will come back no doubt.

andreas
05-20-2008, 12:56 PM
Sorry I didn't mean that eirigi had invented the idea of organising into circles, its a well trodden path for revolutionaries around the world.

I had just meant that as eirigi currently organises in this fashion that it may have played a part in discussion and as Andreas has now indicated I was correct.

I was also thrown by the 'committee' to 'circle' I thought you were organised as 'committees' there for a second and not 'cumann'.


Some areas are organised into committee's with larger areas organising the committees into cumanns, for instance if say Derry for instance had one committee, it would be unable to cope as it would have dozens of members.
I think the way a movement is organised should be relatively fluid, as long as it remains democratic and has good contact with its elect NEC then areas should organise the way that suits them best.

redspectre
05-21-2008, 12:35 AM
those seem like solid motions
i think that their decision to affiliate with Hands Off Venezuela shows a great deal of internationalism among other things as this organization does excellent solidarity work with regards to the venezuelan revolution

i was also wondering what general irish republican stances were on organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah (although im not sure if this is the appropriate place for this topic) because clearly they represent anti-imperialist struggles, but i seriously question whether they are progressive organizations as they espouse deeply reactionary positions on other issues

McLiam
05-21-2008, 12:54 AM
Well, 32CSM would support Hezbollah, as they were flying the yellow flag last Saturday, at the IPSC march.

redspectre
05-21-2008, 01:07 AM
i can gather that 32csm supports them considering that they passed a motion to send solidarity greetings to them, what i was wondering was if anyone wanted to provide any elaboration on this stance or an explanation of it in relation to the goals of irish republicanism

McLiam
05-21-2008, 01:15 AM
It's a case of solidarity. The Palestinians have had their national territory and rights violated in a similar way to the Irish.

It's to let them know that they aren't alone in their situation.

Carlos McJackle
05-23-2008, 07:06 PM
[QUOTE]those seem like solid motions
i think that their decision to affiliate with Hands Off Venezuela shows a great deal of internationalism among other things as this organization does excellent solidarity work with regards to the venezuelan revolution

and the mainstay of the venezuelan revolution is the Bolivarian circle , a strongly nationalist ,anti colonial , anti imperialist , left wing and progressive revolutionary unit which is committed to participatory democracy at its maximum expression and the defence of national sovereignty in all its forms . Which is the precise same agenda as 32 csm . Along with fenianism the Bolivarian example being a working example of successful revolutionary organisation was also part of the thinking behind the proposal .
The motion will return however at another agm in the future. There was no disagreemnet to it on principle , however it would be undemocratic to try and force an issue that has not been fully discussed to a proper extent accross the membership base . People also didnt want to vote down a motion that was felt a good idea in principle but currently impractical to implement in the opinions of some ( but not mine) and was therefore withdrawn .Plus a lot of people are attached to the word cummann for traditional reasons . And theres also the fact that a lot of areas have new banners which say cummann on them .

i was also wondering what general irish republican stances were on organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah (although im not sure if this is the appropriate place for this topic) because clearly they represent anti-imperialist struggles, but i seriously question whether they are progressive organizations as they espouse deeply reactionary positions on other issues

well as the lebanese communist organisation have no difficulty working and even fighting alongside hizbollah i dont see why why 32 csm would have any problem with them . And whilst 32 csm are broadly left wing in outlook we are not a political party therefore traditional left wing political correctness would not come into the equation of who we deem suitable to support , anti imperialism is the criteria we base our policy on . 32 CSM are on record from our foundation as being fully supportive of national resistance movements like Hezbollah , Hamas and FARC too for that matter . Hamas and Hizbollah are firmly committed to anti imperilism and defence of their national sovereignty . In Hezbollahs case successful defence of it . Thats the criteria we utilise

redspectre
05-26-2008, 12:43 AM
i do understand and in fact agree with the use of criteria because i understand that the struggle against imperialism is a broad one. however i would hardly consider the reservation to support a movement whose ultimate goal is a reactionary, sectarian theocratic state which wouldn't be out of place in the middle ages simply "traditional left-wing political correctness".

boiler-1888
05-26-2008, 05:58 PM
Hizbollah have wide support amongest the south Lebonese people. Christians vote for them Hizbollah pays for churches and homes of Christians to be rebuilt. Hizbollah are better at governing than most westren nations.

quirk
05-26-2008, 06:12 PM
i do understand and in fact agree with the use of criteria because i understand that the struggle against imperialism is a broad one. however i would hardly consider the reservation to support a movement whose ultimate goal is a reactionary, sectarian theocratic state which wouldn't be out of place in the middle ages simply "traditional left-wing political correctness".

Is such a state what they want to establish? I feel sometimes people are too quick to criticise such movements and this criticism stems from a misunderstanding of Islam.

redspectre
05-26-2008, 07:07 PM
Is such a state what they want to establish? I feel sometimes people are too quick to criticise such movements and this criticism stems from a misunderstanding of Islam.

you tell me. i originally asked the question to find out what people here thought about it, not to get into an argument about the legitimacy of Hezbollah who i generally support with some reservations as mentioned above.

quirk
05-26-2008, 07:23 PM
I have problems with Hezbollah however I am not completely sure of what their final aim is. I thought that when you made the comment that you might have known yourself. A brief look on wikipedia has just shown me that:

Hezbollah has temporarily abandoned the goal of transforming Lebanon into an Islamic state at this time.

As for it being sectarian well it is a Shia organisation but I don't think other groups should or would have anything to fear from this. Islam has historically allowed other religions to exist under its rule and the Quran says itself quite clearly:

There is no compulsion in religion
Surah Al AL Baqarah verse 256

redspectre
05-26-2008, 09:07 PM
when you asked me that question i had thought maybe you knew something i didn't (as if you had said like "oh really?"), but yes an Islamic state was what i believed their final aim was despite the fact that they have temporarily abandoned it. i had based this primarily off the fact that their ideology was developed by close followers of Khomeini and by the fact that they receive significant support from Iran up to this day. unless they have taken a different turn and have developed a new vision of the Islamic state that differs from what we have seen historically so far in Iran, it would seem that they would be quite willing to impose their type of Islamic law on people using whatever means necessary. despite the fact that Islam is one of the most tolerant religions in the world, as seen in the Koran, most islamists don't include that in their ideology. that was the thinking behind my comment. thank you for the response i had not realized that they had chosen to abandon this.

quirk
05-26-2008, 09:28 PM
Well I would say we are in agreement on this. I actually only found out tonight they abandoned it. There is also the fact that what exists in places like Iran and Saudi Arabia is in contradiction to the Quran and how the Prophet Muhammad lived and ruled.