History Mystery?

[Mairtin Og Meehan]

Have a history teacher explain this-----

Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846.
John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946.

Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860.
John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960.

Both were particularly concerned with civil rights.
Both wives lost their children while living in the White House.

Both Presidents were shot on a Friday.
Both Presidents were shot in the head

Now it gets really weird........

Lincoln 's secretary was named Kennedy.
Kennedy's Secretary was named Lincoln .

Both were assassinated by Southerners.
Both were succeeded by Southerners named Johnson.

Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln , was born in 1808.
Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908.

John Wilkes Booth, who assassinated Lincoln , was born in 1839.
Lee Harvey Oswald, who assassinated Kennedy, was born in 1939.

Both assassins were known by their three names.
Both names are composed of fifteen letters.

Now hang on to your seat........

Lincoln was shot at the theater named 'Ford.'
Kennedy was shot in a car called ' Lincoln ' made by 'Ford.'

Lincoln was shot in a theater and his assassin ran and hid in a warehouse.
Kennedy was shot from a warehouse and his assassin ran and hid in a theater.

Booth and Oswald were assassinated before their trials.:eusa_shifty:

And here's the final point.......

A week before Lincoln was shot, he was in Monroe , Maryland
A week before Kennedy was shot, he was with Marilyn Monroe.:hmmm:

CREEPY OR WHAT?

[Young Irelander]

Have a history teacher explain this-----

Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846.
John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946.

Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860.
John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960.

Both were particularly concerned with civil rights.
Both wives lost their children while living in the White House.

Both Presidents were shot on a Friday.
Both Presidents were shot in the head

Now it gets really weird........

Lincoln 's secretary was named Kennedy.
Kennedy's Secretary was named Lincoln .

Both were assassinated by Southerners.
Both were succeeded by Southerners named Johnson.

Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln , was born in 1808.
Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908.

John Wilkes Booth, who assassinated Lincoln , was born in 1839.
Lee Harvey Oswald, who assassinated Kennedy, was born in 1939.

Both assassins were known by their three names.
Both names are composed of fifteen letters.

Now hang on to your seat........

Lincoln was shot at the theater named 'Ford.'
Kennedy was shot in a car called ' Lincoln ' made by 'Ford.'

Lincoln was shot in a theater and his assassin ran and hid in a warehouse.
Kennedy was shot from a warehouse and his assassin ran and hid in a theater.

Booth and Oswald were assassinated before their trials.:eusa_shifty:

And here's the final point.......

A week before Lincoln was shot, he was in Monroe , Maryland
A week before Kennedy was shot, he was with Marilyn Monroe.:hmmm:

CREEPY OR WHAT?

Yes is indeed intresting. Lincoln also seen his doppleganger before he died

Abraham Lincoln
Carl Sandburg's biography contains the following:

A queer dream or illusion had haunted Lincoln at times through the winter. On the evening of his election he had thrown himself on one of the haircloth sofas at home, just after the first telegrams of November 6 had told him he was elected President, and looking into a bureau mirror across the room he saw himself full length, but with two faces.
It bothered him; he got up; the illusion vanished; but when he lay down again there in the glass again were two faces, one paler than the other. He got up again, mixed in the election excitement, forgot about it; but it came back, and haunted him. He told his wife about it; she worried too.
A few days later he tried it once more and the illusion of the two faces again registered to his eyes. But that was the last; the ghost since then wouldn't come back, he told his wife, who said it was a sign he would be elected to a second term, and the death pallor of one face meant he wouldn't live through his second term.[5]
This is adapted from Washington in Lincoln's Time (1895) by Noah Brooks, who claimed that he had heard it from Lincoln himself on 9 November 1864, at the time of his re-election, and that he had printed an account "directly after." He also claimed that the story was confirmed by Mary Todd Lincoln, and partially confirmed by Private Secretary John Hay (who thought it dated from Lincoln's nomination, not his election). Brooks's version is as follows (in Lincoln's own words):

It was just after my election in 1860, when the news had been coming in thick and fast all day and there had been a great "hurrah, boys," so that I was well tired out, and went home to rest, throwing myself down on a lounge in my chamber. Opposite where I lay was a bureau with a swinging glass upon it (and here he got up and placed furniture to illustrate the position), and looking in that glass I saw myself reflected nearly at full length; but my face, I noticed had two separate and distinct images, the tip of the nose of one being about three inches from the tip of the other. I was a little bothered, perhaps startled, and got up and looked in the glass, but the illusion vanished. On lying down again, I saw it a second time, plainer, if possible, than before; and then I noticed that one of the faces was a little paler — say five shades — than the other. I got up, and the thing melted away, and I went off, and in the excitement of the hour forgot all about it — nearly, but not quite, for the thing would once in a while come up, and give me a little pang as if something uncomfortable had happened. When I went home again that night I told my wife about it, and a few days afterward I made the experiment again, when (with a laugh), sure enough! the thing came back again; but I never succeeded in bringing the ghost back after that, though I once tried very industriously to show it to my wife, who was somewhat worried about it. She thought it was a "sign" that I was to be elected to a second term of office, and that the paleness of one of the faces was an omen that I should not see life through the last term.[6]
Lincoln was known to be superstitious,[7] and old mirrors will occasionally produce double images; whether this Janus illusion can be counted as a doppelgänger is perhaps debatable, though probably no more than other such claims of doppelgängers. An alternate consideration, however, suggests that Lincoln suffered vertical strabismus in his left eye[8], a disorder which could induce visions of a vertically-displaced image.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doppelg%C3%A4nger#Abraham_Lincoln

[garrettDA]

very creepy

[slainte50]

Have a history teacher explain this-----

Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846.
John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946.

Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860.
John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960.

Both were particularly concerned with civil rights.
Both wives lost their children while living in the White House.

Both Presidents were shot on a Friday.
Both Presidents were shot in the head

Now it gets really weird........

Lincoln 's secretary was named Kennedy.
Kennedy's Secretary was named Lincoln .

Both were assassinated by Southerners.
Both were succeeded by Southerners named Johnson.

Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln , was born in 1808.
Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908.

John Wilkes Booth, who assassinated Lincoln , was born in 1839.
Lee Harvey Oswald, who assassinated Kennedy, was born in 1939.

Both assassins were known by their three names.
Both names are composed of fifteen letters.

Now hang on to your seat........

Lincoln was shot at the theater named 'Ford.'
Kennedy was shot in a car called ' Lincoln ' made by 'Ford.'

Lincoln was shot in a theater and his assassin ran and hid in a warehouse.
Kennedy was shot from a warehouse and his assassin ran and hid in a theater.

Booth and Oswald were assassinated before their trials.:eusa_shifty:

And here's the final point.......

A week before Lincoln was shot, he was in Monroe , Maryland
A week before Kennedy was shot, he was with Marilyn Monroe.:hmmm:

CREEPY OR WHAT?

FFS I was just about to go to bed I'll be up all night now:icon_lol:

[Seán1798]

http://www.snopes.com/history/american/lincoln-kennedy.asp

[Young Irelander]

http://www.snopes.com/history/american/lincoln-kennedy.asp

What do you think of the doppelganger and Lincoln?

[Myron]

Tupac must also be alive!

[Mairtin Og Meehan]

What do you think of the doppelganger and Lincoln?


I'll not sleep tonight!:eusa_shifty::eusa_shifty::eusa_shifty::eu sa_shifty:

[Young Irelander]

I'll not sleep tonight!:eusa_shifty::eusa_shifty::eusa_shifty::eu sa_shifty:

If you do some research into these Dooplegangers it will blow your mind, another thing to look out for are the beings with the black eyes, they look human but when you look at their eyes it is black and only black and if you look at them long enough you will feel depression and amongst other negative feelings, they are supposed to have telepathy abilites also, challenging the person to look at them, also another intresting artilce is the suicide song, created by a Hungurian Writer, once listened to, people have committed suicide for no apparant reason, has been a while since I read about that, one of the Occupation Queens is meant to have seen her Doopleganger just before she kicked the bucket.

A hardened Ex-POW should show them whos boss. Lol

[mac_talla]

Step away from the whiskey, gentlemen. :icon_rolleyes:

[Seán1798]

What do you think of the doppelganger and Lincoln?

"An alternate consideration, however, suggests that Lincoln suffered vertical strabismus in his left eye, a disorder which could induce visions of a vertically-displaced image."

I didn't see any doppleganger or tallk to Lincoln. Somebody dead said all that stuff YI. People can be mistaken, tell lies and exaggerate stuff even after they're dead. That's what I think of it.

[Young Irelander]

"An alternate consideration, however, suggests that Lincoln suffered vertical strabismus in his left eye, a disorder which could induce visions of a vertically-displaced image."

I didn't see any doppleganger or tallk to Lincoln. Somebody dead said all that stuff YI. People can be mistaken, tell lies and exaggerate stuff even after they're dead. That's what I think of it.

Intresting stuff all the same, would recommend you do some research into the doopleganger, strange events sdo occur on this world a chara!

[Jamesd]

Intresting stuff all the same, would recommend you do some research into the doopleganger, strange events sdo occur on this world a chara!

Do you believe in the bean sí too, mate? :icon_wink:

[Young Irelander]

Do you believe in the bean sí too, mate? :icon_wink:

What about Irish Druids sites in the USA long before it was discovered?

[Jamesd]

What about Irish Druids sites in the USA long before it was discovered?

Apparently then, we Irish must have 'discovered' USA! We are a brilliant people, after all, and great sailors. :icon_wink:

[Young Irelander]

Apparently then, we Irish must have 'discovered' USA! We are a brilliant people, after all, and great sailors. :icon_wink:

Irish Druids where, too bad they where not in the Irish Military.

[Jamesd]

Irish Druids where, too bad they where not in the Irish Military.

As you say, mate.

[Young Irelander]

As you say, mate.

Famous reports

[edit] John Donne
Izaak Walton claimed that John Donne, the English metaphysical poet, saw his wife's doppelgänger in 1612 in Paris, on the same night as the stillbirth of their daughter.

Two days after their arrival there, Mr. Donne was left alone, in that room in which Sir Robert, and he, and some other friends had dined together. To this place Sir Robert return'd within half an hour; and, as he left, so he found Mr. Donne alone; but, in such Extasie, and so alter'd as to his looks, as amaz'd Sir Robert to behold him: insomuch that he earnestly desired Mr. Donne to declare what had befaln him in the short time of his absence? to which, Mr. Donne was not able to make a present answer: but, after a long and perplext pause, did at last say, I have seen a dreadful Vision since I saw you: I have seen my dear wife pass twice by me through this room, with her hair hanging about her shoulders, and a dead child in her arms: this, I have seen since I saw you. To which, Sir Robert reply'd; Sure Sir, you have slept since I saw you; and, this is the result of some melancholy dream, which I desire you to forget, for you are now awake. To which Mr. Donnes reply was: I cannot be surer that I now live, then that I have not slept since I saw you: and am, as sure, that at her second appearing, she stopt, and look'd me in the face, and vanisht.[2]
This account first appears in the edition of Life of Dr John Donne published in 1675, and is attributed to "a Person of Honour... told with such circumstances, and such asseveration, that... I verily believe he that told it me, did himself believe it to be true." At the time Donne was indeed extremely worried about his pregnant wife, and was going through severe illness himself. However, R. C. Bald points out that Walton's account "is riddled with inaccuracies. He says that Donne crossed from London to Paris with the Drurys in twelve days, and that the vision occurred two days later; the servant sent to London to make inquiries found Mrs Donne still confined to her bed in Drury House. Actually, of course, Donne did not arrive in Paris until more than three months after he left England, and his wife was not in London but in the Isle of Wight. The still-born child was buried on 24 January.... Yet as late as 14 April Donne in Paris was still ignorant of his wife's ordeal."[3] In January, Donne was still at Amiens. His letters do not support the story as given.[4]


[edit] Abraham Lincoln
Carl Sandburg's biography contains the following:

A queer dream or illusion had haunted Lincoln at times through the winter. On the evening of his election he had thrown himself on one of the haircloth sofas at home, just after the first telegrams of November 6 had told him he was elected President, and looking into a bureau mirror across the room he saw himself full length, but with two faces.
It bothered him; he got up; the illusion vanished; but when he lay down again there in the glass again were two faces, one paler than the other. He got up again, mixed in the election excitement, forgot about it; but it came back, and haunted him. He told his wife about it; she worried too.
A few days later he tried it once more and the illusion of the two faces again registered to his eyes. But that was the last; the ghost since then wouldn't come back, he told his wife, who said it was a sign he would be elected to a second term, and the death pallor of one face meant he wouldn't live through his second term.[5]
This is adapted from Washington in Lincoln's Time (1895) by Noah Brooks, who claimed that he had heard it from Lincoln himself on 9 November 1864, at the time of his re-election, and that he had printed an account "directly after." He also claimed that the story was confirmed by Mary Todd Lincoln, and partially confirmed by Private Secretary John Hay (who thought it dated from Lincoln's nomination, not his election). Brooks's version is as follows (in Lincoln's own words):

It was just after my election in 1860, when the news had been coming in thick and fast all day and there had been a great "hurrah, boys," so that I was well tired out, and went home to rest, throwing myself down on a lounge in my chamber. Opposite where I lay was a bureau with a swinging glass upon it (and here he got up and placed furniture to illustrate the position), and looking in that glass I saw myself reflected nearly at full length; but my face, I noticed had two separate and distinct images, the tip of the nose of one being about three inches from the tip of the other. I was a little bothered, perhaps startled, and got up and looked in the glass, but the illusion vanished. On lying down again, I saw it a second time, plainer, if possible, than before; and then I noticed that one of the faces was a little paler — say five shades — than the other. I got up, and the thing melted away, and I went off, and in the excitement of the hour forgot all about it — nearly, but not quite, for the thing would once in a while come up, and give me a little pang as if something uncomfortable had happened. When I went home again that night I told my wife about it, and a few days afterward I made the experiment again, when (with a laugh), sure enough! the thing came back again; but I never succeeded in bringing the ghost back after that, though I once tried very industriously to show it to my wife, who was somewhat worried about it. She thought it was a "sign" that I was to be elected to a second term of office, and that the paleness of one of the faces was an omen that I should not see life through the last term.[6]
Lincoln was known to be superstitious,[7] and old mirrors will occasionally produce double images; whether this Janus illusion can be counted as a doppelgänger is perhaps debatable, though probably no more than other such claims of doppelgängers. An alternate consideration, however, suggests that Lincoln suffered vertical strabismus in his left eye[8], a disorder which could induce visions of a vertically-displaced image.


[edit] Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Near the end of Book XI of his autobiography, Dichtung und Wahrheit ("Truth and Fiction"), Goethe wrote, almost in passing:

Amid all this pressure and confusion I could not forego seeing Frederica once more. Those were painful days, the memory of which has not remained with me. When I reached her my hand from my horse, the tears stood in her eyes; and I felt very uneasy. I now rode along the foot-path toward Drusenheim, and here one of the most singular forebodings took possession of me. I saw, not with the eyes of the body, but with those of the mind, my own figure coming toward me, on horseback, and on the same road, attired in a dress which I had never worn, — it was pike-gray [hecht-grau], with somewhat of gold. As soon as I shook myself out of this dream, the figure had entirely disappeared. It is strange, however, that, eight years afterward, I found myself on the very road, to pay one more visit to Frederica, in the dress of which I had dreamed, and which I wore, not from choice, but by accident. However it may be with matters of this kind generally, this strange illusion in some measure calmed me at the moment of parting. The pain of quitting for ever noble Alsace, with all I had gained in it, was softened; and, having at last escaped the excitement of a farewell, I, on a peaceful and quiet journey, pretty well regained my self-possession.[9]
This is a rare example of a doppelgänger which is both benign and reassuring.


[edit] Emilie Sagée
Robert Dale Owen was responsible for writing down the singular case of Emilie Sagée. He was told this anecdote by Julie von Güldenstubbe, a Latvian aristocrat. Von Güldenstubbe reported that in the year 1845–46, at the age of 13, she witnessed, along with audiences of between 13 and 42 children, her 32-year-old French teacher Sagée bilocate, in broad daylight, inside her school, Pensionat von Neuwelcke. The actions of Sagée's doppelgänger included:

Mimicking writing and eating, but with nothing in its hands.
Moving independently of Sagée, and remaining motionless while she moved.
Appearing to be in full health at a time when Sagée was badly ill.
Apparently, the doppelgänger also exerted resistance to the touch, but was non-physical (one girl passed through the doppelgänger's body)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doppelg%C3%A4nger#Abraham_Lincoln

[Jamesd]

Well, thank you for posting that. I myself am not really into the supernatural, but who knows what is possible and what is not?

[Young Irelander]

Well, thank you for posting that. I myself am not really into the supernatural, but who knows what is possible and what is not?

I hope a United Ireland is possible, would love to see its doppleganger. Lol

[Jamesd]

I hope a United Ireland is possible, would love to see its doppleganger. Lol

It will happen, Young Irelander, though I could do without the doppelgänger...

[Young Irelander]

It will happen, Young Irelander, though I could do without the doppelgänger...

True a chara. True

[Patrick Henry]

I saw one on the net recently, a friend showed it to me and I must say it was weird. A young child is seated in front of a mirror playing about, when suddenly shes turns her head to look behind her, but her image on the mirror remained static and staring ahead. Has anyone else seen it?

[Patrick Henry]

I found it, judge for yourselves is it real or fake?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQCxVcuxxxk&feature=related

[EuskalHerria]

I found it, judge for yourselves is it real or fake?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQCxVcuxxxk&feature=related

completly fake but entertaining:icon_lol: The thing about reading all the connections between the two assasinated presidents is that it saddens me there a few years out to assasinate george bush

[sammy5441]

fck me i just saw Elvis
in tesco's:icon_lol::icon_lol:

[Patrick Henry]

completly fake but entertaining:icon_lol: The thing about reading all the connections between the two assasinated presidents is that it saddens me there a few years out to assasinate george bush

But where would you shoot Bush to kill him, he has neither a brain nor a heart? The Tin Man and the Scarecrow rolled into one...we're off to see the wizard. :eusa_whistle:

[Moogie]

But where would you shoot Bush to kill him, he has neither a brain nor a heart? The Tin Man and the Scarecrow rolled into one...we're off to see the wizard. :eusa_whistle:

I'd say he lacks courage too as demonstrated by his sterling service in the air national guard.

[Patrick Henry]

I'd say he lacks courage too as demonstrated by his sterling service in the air national guard.

The Cowardly Liar....:eusa_liar:

[Young Irelander]

Legend has it that people can not see the Doppleganger in reflections on mirrors or rivers and have no shadow at all, although the Lincoln story would say otherwise, various stories show that Dopplegangers can indeed have different charteristics, some give advice which brings bad luck while others do the opposite while it also according to legend is a omen of an untimely death, so much stuff like.

[QuinnP]

psssst, Mactalla, you're cool!!!

[QuinnP]

But where would you shoot Bush to kill him, he has neither a brain nor a heart? The Tin Man and the Scarecrow rolled into one...we're off to see the wizard. :eusa_whistle:


LOL!!!!!:icon_lol:

[Red Revolutionary]

Legend has it that people can not see the Doppleganger in reflections on mirrors or rivers and have no shadow at all, although the Lincoln story would say otherwise, various stories show that Dopplegangers can indeed have different charteristics, some give advice which brings bad luck while others do the opposite while it also according to legend is a omen of an untimely death, so much stuff like.

Ohh sweet baby jesus.
I hear after you see your doppleganger you are abducted and analy probed, not before of course you are sirened by a vampire and morph into a warewolf at the approaching full moon.

YI I want what your on.

[Young Irelander]

Ohh sweet baby jesus.
I hear after you see your doppleganger you are abducted and analy probed, not before of course you are sirened by a vampire and morph into a warewolf at the approaching full moon.

YI I want what your on.

Sheer interest.

[MatthewTirEoghain]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=B4Uf9rsBbhc