Genetics

[Cúchulainn]

I am not sure if this is the place to put this thread, or if there is already a thread on this subject, but it seemed the only sensible option.

I am fascinated by genetics and I am planning to get a DNA test very soon (if the DNA tells me that I'm not Irish then I'll probably cry.) I was hoping that someone could tell me what, in their opinion, is the best organisation to get a DNA test through. I am mainly interested in my father's DNA (mainly due to some awful family history) but I am also interested in my mother's.

Any help appreciated.

[Gurdjieff]

There is no such thing as Irish DNA, sorry to dissapoint you.

[Eilish]

i have recently read of a relatively new test where they can ID genetic codes that signal the tribe one came from... i am very leery of DNA IDing translating as confirming or solidifying ones cultural identity... smells of eugenics... Is not your cultural identity one that resonates in ur heart, soul, spirit not just physical... I am Irish but would not sob hysterically if it was not so... To sob would mean one rejects certain cultures or deems some inferior...
Our individual worth is not in our cultural ID but in our wholeness as a human being intellectually spiritually emotionally with cultural birthrights tangled in there intrinsically. I cannot recall this latest test recently promoted in media but i maybe do a google on it all & also bear in mind where any obsession like this could take one...

[OCoinnigh]

There is no such thing as Irish DNA, sorry to dissapoint you.

sorry mate, but I would consider people who's family's have resided of this Island for at least the last2,000 years to have Irish DNA, you must be a planter.

[Gurdjieff]

sorry mate, but I would consider people who's family's have resided of this Island for at least the last2,000 years to have Irish DNA, you must be a planter.

Ah no, educated yes, planter or ignorant racist fool no. The DNA of most people in Ireland, Scotland, Wales and even England is much the same. There is very little difference between races never mind nationalities.

[mac_talla]

Ah no, educated yes, planter or ignorant racist fool no. The DNA of most people in Ireland, Scotland, Wales and even England is much the same. There is very little difference between races never mind nationalities.

For that matter, there are only a few genes that separate us from chimpanzees, let alone other human beings. :icon_lol:

[OCoinnigh]

For that matter, there are only a few genes that separate us from chimpanzees, let alone other human beings. :icon_lol:

so why spend so much time learning the language, if it doesn't really make much difference.

[OCoinnigh]

Ah no, educated yes, planter or ignorant racist fool no. The DNA of most people in Ireland, Scotland, Wales and even England is much the same. There is very little difference between races never mind nationalities.

Much the same, but not exactly the same. the Irish do have different DNA then the English. We actually have more in common with the Basque people then the English. You still sound like a planter

[Gurdjieff]

Much the same, but not exactly the same. the Irish do have different DNA then the English. We actually have more in common with the Basque people then the English. You still sound like a planter

My family name goes back to the 3rd century, if not earlier. The closest I am to a planter would be me metaphorically planting my boot in your ignorant arse.

[OCoinnigh]

My family name goes back to the 3rd century, if not earlier. The closest I am to a planter would be me metaphorically planting my boot in your ignorant arse.

ha

why would you get mad, you said there was no difference between your or a planters DNA. so we're all one big happy family

[ciaranxavier]

ha

why would you get mad, you said there was no difference between your or a planters DNA. so we're all one big happy family

a planter isnt as much in the blood as it is in the mentality genius.

[Gurdjieff]

ha

why would you get mad, you said there was no difference between your or a planters DNA. so we're all one big happy family

There is very little differance between my DNA and that of someone from Zimbabwe, Tehran, Moscow or even Ballymeena. DNA is just a sequence of chemical compounds. There is significant difference between my identity and culture than that of someone from Zimbawe, Tehran, etc. That is what seperates us.
You are trying to indulge in racial, pseudo-science which is just a little reggressive leap away from the sickening, racial-hygiene psuedo-science of Albert Rosenburg.
You probably don't like Jews or foreigners very much do you?

[LDN_Irish]

so why spend so much time learning the language, if it doesn't really make much difference.

You don't have to think you are genetically different from everyone else simply to care about your culture.

[Seán1798]

Much the same, but not exactly the same. the Irish do have different DNA then the English. We actually have more in common with the Basque people then the English. You still sound like a planter

Do you think that people here since Norman or Elizabethan times aren't Irish?

[tireoghan]

If you were born in Ireland you are Irish, genetics do not matter...its what you bring to the table in terms of contribution to society...cultural, economic etc. There is no one pure Irish person.

[OCoinnigh]

Do you think that people here since Norman or Elizabethan times aren't Irish?

Irish people are a Ethnic group, they spoke Gaeilge and they've inhabited Ireland for at least the last 2500 years. Everybody else is an invader, planter or colonist. That's just genetics, and its a fact. Now if we are going to try to redefine what it means to be Irish that's fine.

[Seán1798]

Irish people are a Ethnic group, they spoke Gaeilge and they've inhabited Ireland for at least the last 2500 years. Everybody else is an invader, planter or colonist. That's just genetics, and its a fact. Now if we are going to try to redefine what it means to be Irish that's fine.

lol catch up would you it's 1798 now. Was Theobald Wolfe Tone an Irishman? Not by your bigoted definition anyway. By the same logic you apply Irish Nationalism and Irish Republicanism aren't Irish either. Most of the Irish people I know don't speak Gaeilge have you got some kind of test kit to prove if their forbears did? Anyhow those Ancestors who used to speak it were an amalgam of many peoples, note the plural, who came to be subjugated by the Gaels. There is not now and there never was an Irish 'race'. You are peddling a half baked Victorian myth. Irish ethnicities are many, not one and there is no clearcut genetic basis for them whatsoever.

[Gurdjieff]

Irish people are a Ethnic group, they spoke Gaeilge and they've inhabited Ireland for at least the last 2500 years. Everybody else is an invader, planter or colonist. That's just genetics, and its a fact. Now if we are going to try to redefine what it means to be Irish that's fine.

You heard it here first folks; Tom Barry, Kevin Barry, Bobby Sands, Patrick Pearse, Wolfe Tone, Cathal Brugha......not Irish.

[CmObyrne]

Irish people are a Ethnic group, they spoke Gaeilge and they've inhabited Ireland for at least the last 2500 years. Everybody else is an invader, planter or colonist. That's just genetics, and its a fact. Now if we are going to try to redefine what it means to be Irish that's fine.

That isn't true.

Irish people aren Ethnic group, that is true. They aren't the original inhabitants of Ireland, because they were neo-lithic hunters and gatherers, then they were farmers, then they were Celts. Then they mingled. Then the Norse came, they mingled. They integrated. Then even the original Norman English came and integrated. Today this group as a Majority speaks English with a small minority speaking Gaeilge.

Ireland has had two groups who haven't mingled or integrated with the majority of the population and they are Scots of Ulster and the Ascendancy English, the majority of which retained their heritage.

[OCoinnigh]

That isn't true.

Irish people aren Ethnic group, that is true. They aren't the original inhabitants of Ireland, because they were neo-lithic hunters and gatherers, then they were farmers, then they were Celts. Then they mingled. Then the Norse came, they mingled. They integrated. Then even the original Norman English came and integrated. Today this group as a Majority speaks English with a small minority speaking Gaeilge.

Ireland has had two groups who haven't mingled or integrated with the majority of the population and they are Scots of Ulster and the Ascendancy English, the majority of which retained their heritage.

I just said 2500 years

[OCoinnigh]

lol catch up would you it's 1798 now. Was Theobald Wolfe Tone an Irishman? Not by your bigoted definition anyway. By the same logic you apply Irish Nationalism and Irish Republicanism aren't Irish either. Most of the Irish people I know don't speak Gaeilge have you got some kind of test kit to prove if their forbears did? Anyhow those Ancestors who used to speak it were an amalgam of many peoples, note the plural, who came to be subjugated by the Gaels. There is not now and there never was an Irish 'race'. You are peddling a half baked Victorian myth. Irish ethnicities are many, not one and there is no clearcut genetic basis for them whatsoever.

its not a myth, my family is Gaeilge, thats enough for me. besides ireland won't be united in the near future. i don't want all those loyalist f-cks in my country.

[Seán1798]

its not a myth, my family is Gaeilge, thats enough for me. besides ireland won't be united in the near future. i don't want all those loyalist f-cks in my country.

It is certainly a huge fat myth dreamed up by Victorians. BTW the Gaels you're so fond of were royalist loyalist fvcks.

[OCoinnigh]

It is certainly a huge fat myth dreamed up by Victorians. BTW the Gaels you're so fond of were royalist loyalist fvcks.

my family actually fought and lost the 9 year war, never Loyalist's

[Seán1798]

my family actually fought and lost the 9 year war, never Loyalist's

You can trace your roots back very far O'Coinnigh and I wonder how you've managed to do this given that most Irish people can't get back past the 1700's.

Have you ever noticed how everybody in Ireland has a surname that once belonged to some lord or cheiftain? Are you thinking that we must therefore all be descended from such?

[congress3]

My family name goes back to the 3rd century, if not earlier. The closest I am to a planter would be me metaphorically planting my boot in your ignorant arse.
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Haha
Great post made me laugh

[congress3]

You can trace your roots back very far O'Coinnigh and I wonder how you've managed to do this given that most Irish people can't get back past the 1700's.

Have you ever noticed how everybody in Ireland has a surname that once belonged to some lord or cheiftain? Are you thinking that we must therefore all be descended from such?

Sean the man is obviously some sort of historical genius with access to census records that nobody else has heard of.

[Seán1798]

Sean the man is obviously some sort of historical genius with access to census records that nobody else has heard of.

I was wondering about it right enough. Perhaps he'll share with us when he gets the chance.

[congress3]

And on the subject most people in europe can actually be traced back to one of seven strands of DNA. Each belonging to seven different women.

So that technically means we are all inbred o well.

[Gurdjieff]

And on the subject most people in europe can actually be traced back to one of seven strands of DNA. Each belonging to seven different women.

So that technically means we are all inbred o well.

That's nothing, the 'active sites' of many enzymes are almost identical in humans, animals and microbes; with only minor structural differances. This illustrates the commonality of the origins of animal life on the planet.

[QuinnP]

I love genetics too--birth malformations like thanatophoric dysplasia & SMA type 1, triploidy, (my fave) & the various trisomies, translocations, microdeletions & other stuff. I like infectious diseases too, my fave being MDR Tuberculosis. Its weird. I cant add or subtract numbers but I can understand genetics. Weird......................

[mickyk200]

I think I am a planter....Second name is traditionally protestant =/

[Seán1798]

I think I am a planter....Second name is traditionally protestant =/

Micky the truth is that we're all likely to be a mix of Gael, Anglo-Norman and planter. Despite all the penalties prejudices and restrictions in place in apartheid era South Africa the 'coloured' population grew and grew, visible proof that it's very hard to keep humans from fvcking.

[mickyk200]

Micky the truth is that we're all likely to be a mix of Gael, Anglo-Norman and planter. Despite all the penalties prejudices and restrictions in place in apartheid era South Africa the 'coloured' population grew and grew, visible proof that it's very hard to keep humans from fvcking.
Emmm suppose...

[congress3]

That's nothing, the 'active sites' of many enzymes are almost identical in humans, animals and microbes; with only minor structural differances. This illustrates the commonality of the origins of animal life on the planet.

Yea there is some very interesting and weird stuff to learn in genetics

[OCoinnigh]

You can trace your roots back very far O'Coinnigh and I wonder how you've managed to do this given that most Irish people can't get back past the 1700's.

Have you ever noticed how everybody in Ireland has a surname that once belonged to some lord or cheiftain? Are you thinking that we must therefore all be descended from such?

Sorry it took so long, I know this because my family fled Tyrone and went to Tipperary after the flight of the Earls. This is when it got flooded with planters. Alot of the planters are Scottish so they are Gaels. I didn't need English census records, its just passed down.

[Seán1798]

Sorry it took so long, I know this because my family fled Tyrone and went to Tipperary after the flight of the Earls. This is when it got flooded with planters. Alot of the planters are Scottish so they are Gaels. I didn't need English census records, its just passed down.

English census records didn't start until the 1800's. Since the Earls ran away there have been at least 16 generations. I don't really see how details of all your female lines could have been passed down and I find it very remarkable that you can trace your male line back that far. Are you descended from a Lord or something?