Ógra Shinn Féin to take part in Protest at Bush Visit

[Ógra Shinn Féin]

Ógra Shinn Féin will participate in the protests against George Bush and US lead War in Iraq when he is expected in Belfast next Monday 16th June.

The protest will highlight their anger over the ongoing US occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaUE9akNS00

Speaking on the upcoming protest, National Organiser of Ógra Shinn Féin, Barry McColgan said;

"We will be mobilising our activists next Monday to send a message loud and clear that the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan are illegal and must come to an end."

"Thousands upon thousands of Iraqi and Afghanistan citizens, including women and children have been unnecessarily killed, the stability of these nations have been shaken to the core, and the sovereignty of its peoples stolen and ignored."

"The protest next Monday must resonate with the incoming US president that the ongoing occupations are illegal, inhumane and must be ended."

"While we will be visibly and vocally protesting, the Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness will meet with George Bush and raise these concerns with him."

For full post:

http://ograshinnfein.blogspot.com/2008/06/gra-shinn-fin-to-take-part-in-protest.html

[RisenBelfast]

They'd be better off making their feelings felt to their party leadership who invited him and their elected representatives who'll be schmoozing him than joining with those who aren't involved in groups that are the cause of the visit.

Fair play to them for protesting but they have access, the ears and the ability to impact on those that initiated this disgrace - the SF leadership - and they should focus their energies there.

[robertemmett]

and martin invited him the whole way from america to outline his concerns? i am sure GWB will now reconsider the errors of his ways once the deputy first minister of the northern ireland assembly tells him a few home truths.

perhaps a more effective message could be delivered to Bush would be if martin was on the picket line too. or better still, not have invited him in the first place.

but at least OSF tightrope walking skills are improving day by day.

[MarkyMark]

fair play.

He should never have been invited here in the first place.

[robertemmett]

but then Martin would not have been able to "meet with George Bush and raise these concerns with him."

[Nijinsky]

Ógra Shinn Féin will participate in the protests against George Bush and US lead War in Iraq when he is expected in Belfast next Monday 16th June.

The protest will highlight their anger over the ongoing US occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaUE9akNS00

Speaking on the upcoming protest, National Organiser of Ógra Shinn Féin, Barry McColgan said;

"We will be mobilising our activists next Monday to send a message loud and clear that the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan are illegal and must come to an end."

"Thousands upon thousands of Iraqi and Afghanistan citizens, including women and children have been unnecessarily killed, the stability of these nations have been shaken to the core, and the sovereignty of its peoples stolen and ignored."

"The protest next Monday must resonate with the incoming US president that the ongoing occupations are illegal, inhumane and must be ended."

"While we will be visibly and vocally protesting, the Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness will meet with George Bush and raise these concerns with him."

For full post:

http://ograshinnfein.blogspot.com/2008/06/gra-shinn-fin-to-take-part-in-protest.html

Have ye protested to Martin for inviting him in the first place?

[Ógra Shinn Féin]

That was a miscommunication on the part of the press. Martin McGuinness never issued an invite to Bush, there was an invite extended to Gordon Brown by OFMDFM, who in turn invited Bush to accompany him, as Bush was touring Europe.

We have made our position clear, we will be protesting the visit, at the same time Martin McGuinness will use the opportunity to raise our concerns over the ongoing occupation of Iraq and US foreign policy in general, he said in a statement today himself,

""President Bush is aware that we have serious reservations relating to US Foreign Policy, particularly the invasion and occupation of Iraq and we will be raising this directly with the President."

Sinne

[RisenBelfast]

That was a miscommunication on the part of the press. Martin McGuinness never issued an invite to Bush, there was an invite extended to Gordon Brown by OFMDFM, who in turn invited Bush to accompany him, as Bush was touring Europe.

We have made our position clear, we will be protesting the visit, at the same time Martin McGuinness will use the opportunity to raise our concerns over the ongoing occupation of Iraq and US foreign policy in general, he said in a statement today himself,

""President Bush is aware that we have serious reservations relating to US Foreign Policy, particularly the invasion and occupation of Iraq and we will be raising this directly with the President."

Sinne

Don't treat us like imbeciles we have access to the original press release and Brown was never mentioned:


First Minister Ian Paisley and deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness welcome the visit of President Bush to Belfast in June.

Dr Paisley said: "I would wish to warmly welcome the news of the forthcoming Presidential visit here in June which once again underlines the close relationship between our two countries.

"The support that the Bush administration has provided has been much appreciated and we were particularly grateful for the President's personal endorsement of the recent US investment conference which certainly contributed to the success of that event."

Mr McGuinness said: "I would like to also welcome news of this visit. Over recent years the United States has played a major part in the political process. Their encouragement and help contributed to the historic events of last May.

"The President's visit will serve to maintain the ongoing relationships between ourselves and the highest levels of the US political establishment as we seek to further develop links in the months and years ahead."

http://www.northernireland.gov.uk/news/news-ofmdfm-210508-first-minister-and

You may buy a pathetic attempt to deceive this late in the day. some of us have been following the facts.

[mickeyjrooney]

Whoever invited Bush into our country; he is not welcome by the ordinary people. The sights of war torn Iraq and a ravaged people have turned Irish people against war mongerers.
Anyone who protests against the Bush visit is doing right, whether it is a group or an individual.
:eusa_clap::eusa_clap::eusa_clap::eusa_clap::eusa_ clap:

[robertemmett]

but with osf out protesting bush, and martin mc guinness inviting him over.. surely the next place osf should be protesting is martin mc guinness.

[eghzarw]

but with osf out protesting bush, and martin mc guinness inviting him over.. surely the next place osf should be protesting is martin mc guinness.

Even Derrida couldn't have put it better :icon_lol:

[Patrick Henry]

That was a miscommunication on the part of the press. Martin McGuinness never issued an invite to Bush, there was an invite extended to Gordon Brown by OFMDFM, who in turn invited Bush to accompany him, as Bush was touring Europe.

We have made our position clear, we will be protesting the visit, at the same time Martin McGuinness will use the opportunity to raise our concerns over the ongoing occupation of Iraq and US foreign policy in general, he said in a statement today himself,

""President Bush is aware that we have serious reservations relating to US Foreign Policy, particularly the invasion and occupation of Iraq and we will be raising this directly with the President."

Sinne

But surely The Brits are involved in Iraq and Afghanistan as allies of Bush and are just as complicit in human rights violations in these countries?
For a party which claims to want to remove the British presence in Ireland they seem to be putting a lot of effort in finding favour with British Prime Minsters. Bush and Brown are the Leaders of the real Axis of Evil and no excuses such be found to ignore the fact that they are warmongers who kill in pursuit of profit. This visit is nothing more than a charade to paint Bush as a Peace Maker in the eyes of the world and those who meet him are complicit in spreading this lie.

[belfast rep]

RB and RE, while not wishing to treat either of you like imbeciles, can either of you show me evidence of the invitation?
especailly Risen since you have followed it so closely, prehaps you have seen the invitation? and as an intelliegent person you know the difference between welcoming a visitor and issuing the invitation

[Comrade Ryan]

RB and RE, while not wishing to treat either of you like imbeciles, can either of you show me evidence of the invitation?
especailly Risen since you have followed it so closely, prehaps you have seen the invitation? and as an intelliegent person you know the difference between welcoming a visitor and issuing the invitation

Welcoming this man is as unacceptable as inviting him.

I don't think many will see any difference, except those tryign to paper over cracks.

Just for your info, when SF or Ogra march into the City Centre today, not too many will be fooled by these smoke screens of claims of 'real politik'.

I'd say you'll be viewed more like FF trying to gian some lost credibility around easter.

[belfast rep]

Welcoming this man is as unacceptable as inviting him.

I don't think many will see any difference, except those tryign to paper over cracks.

Just for your info, when SF or Ogra march into the City Centre today, not too many will be fooled by these smoke screens of claims of 'real politik'.

I'd say you'll be viewed more like FF trying to gian some lost credibility around easter.
that does equate, to evidence of an invitation,
but i will tell you what i will be talking to some of the organisers and members of eirigi at the protest, and i bet you get no hassle, unless you saying they will two faced about it,
i am going to the protest with one of the organisers.
it appears eirigi can't back up their black propaganda

[IrelandUnfree]

Fair play to Ógra for partaking in this protest. Bush has issues which he needs to address, one being Guantanamo Bay.

but with osf out protesting bush, and martin mc guinness inviting him over.. surely the next place osf should be protesting is martin mc guinness.

Well as with all youth wings, I'm guess Ogra can hold differing opinions to that of the leadership of the party and its elected officials on issues such as this.

[conghaileach]

RB and RE, while not wishing to treat either of you like imbeciles, can either of you show me evidence of the invitation?
As has been widely reported, they invited Bush over when the two of them visited him in the White House a few months ago.

And as we learned from the victims' commissioner fiasco, they do have a bad habit of not keeping minutes from official meetings, so where do you expect to see a report or transcript from a friendly trip to Washington?

[belfast rep]

As has been widely reported, they invited Bush over when the two of them visited him in the White House a few months ago.

And as we learned from the victims' commissioner fiasco, they do have a bad habit of not keeping minutes from official meetings, so where do you expect to see a report or transcript from a friendly trip to Washington?
please show where this invitation was seen

[belfast rep]

As has been widely reported, they invited Bush over when the two of them visited him in the White House a few months ago.

And as we learned from the victims' commissioner fiasco, they do have a bad habit of not keeping minutes from official meetings, so where do you expect to see a report or transcript from a friendly trip to Washington?
i do expect when your running about claiming things are facts, you at least back it up

[conghaileach]

i am going to the protest with one of the organisers.
It's a pity there were no SF people at the organising meetings, not even Ógra.


it appears eirigi can't back up their black propaganda
Black propaganda, hilarious.

[belfast rep]

It's a pity there were no SF people at the organising meetings, not even Ógra.



Black propaganda, hilarious.
to make allegations without producing evidence, is indeed black proganda, surely you accept that

[conghaileach]

i do expect when your running about claiming things are facts, you at least back it up
Here's a snippet from today's Newsletter (http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/Bush-prepares-for-touchdown.4187514.jp):
PRESIDENT George Bush flies into Ulster today keeping his promise to visit before leaving office.

The US President is scheduled to meet First Minister Peter Robinson and Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness in Belfast this afternoon.

It is the fulfilment of a pledge he made to former First Minister Ian Paisley and Mr McGuinness to come to Northern Ireland during talks the trio had in the White House last December.

There are other stories that explicitly mention the invite, but I don't have them to hand right now. I'll put them up later when I get back from the protest.

[conghaileach]

Oh wait, found one:

It is thought he is hoping to fulfil his longstanding promise to visit the Province after failing to attend the investment conference.

Mr Paisley and Mr McGuinness invited President Bush to visit Ulster when they were at the White House last December.

Newsletter (http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/Bush-bound-for-Ulster.4103266.jp), 21 May 2008

[conghaileach]

to make allegations without producing evidence, is indeed black proganda, surely you accept that

I thought there you actually knew what black propaganda means. Maybe you should look up a definition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_propaganda).

[tireoghan]

Martin McGuinnes invited Bush to Ireland in his capacity as Deputy while in Washington with Paisley...it was all over the news at the time...are you trying to deny this...or do you want to see a written invitation?

While I would say fair play to OSF for protesting it is hypocritical on two fronts;

1/ Their party 'Chief Negotiator' invited him and will wlecome him to Belfast.
2/ Gordon Brown and Tony Blair are equally to blame for Iraq and I have yet to see Ogra mount serious protest when either of these men come to Ireland.

[belfast rep]

Martin McGuinnes invited Bush to Ireland in his capacity as Deputy while in Washington with Paisley...it was all over the news at the time...are you trying to deny this...or do you want to see a written invitation?

yes, i would like to see where he invited him

[manus1916]

belfast rep grow up i take it your response comes from nothing more than embarassment get over it it isn't the first time your leaders have behaved in a manner of hypocracy and betrayal towards grass roots feeling when was a verbal invitation behind closed doors ever printed for ejits on a chat room to prove a pathetic point. your party can't play both sides of the fence. irish news hit the nail on the head 'poachers turned gamekeepers'

[Comrade Ryan]

that does equate, to evidence of an invitation,
but i will tell you what i will be talking to some of the organisers and members of eirigi at the protest, and i bet you get no hassle, unless you saying they will two faced about it,
i am going to the protest with one of the organisers.
it appears eirigi can't back up their black propaganda

I don't really understand that post.

I never said that it equated to evidence of an invite, but I did say that most people won't see much difference. And they'd be justified.

Fair play to you if you're going to the march with one of the eirigi members, better than standing with those blasted t-shirts on - who's idea was that? :icon_lol:

I'll not give people hassle, there are def genuine people there and to be honest I feel more sorry for them than anything when I see them in impossible situations.

What exactly is eirigi's black propaganda. I know of none, nor would i support it if it were happening.

[manus1916]

the invitation was extended by them while in america ian and martin and confirmed through the press that it was extended on behalf of the first and deputy first minister if this was not true why didn't martin grow a set of balls and speak up on it?

[Comrade Ryan]

to make allegations without producing evidence, is indeed black proganda, surely you accept that

What allegations did eirigi make?

[tireoghan]

yes, i would like to see where he invited him

Sweet lord man open your eyes. McGuinnes and Paisley invited Bush to Ireland...at least have the back bone to stand up and admit it or is Martin McGuinnes completely unquestionable?

[RisenBelfast]

wtf was the craic with those t-shirts? Weird.

[Nijinsky]

If Martin didnt invite Bush, then why has he not denied that? He has made numerous utterances about the Bush visit, why didnt he take the opportunity to deny the claims he invited Bush if they were incorrect?

[Mellows1922]

wtf was the craic with those t-shirts? Weird.

what were the t-shirts ?

[belfast rep]

belfast rep grow up i take it your response comes from nothing more than embarassment get over it it isn't the first time your leaders have behaved in a manner of hypocracy and betrayal towards grass roots feeling when was a verbal invitation behind closed doors ever printed for ejits on a chat room to prove a pathetic point. your party can't play both sides of the fence. irish news hit the nail on the head 'poachers turned gamekeepers'
i accept that you have no evidence. fair enough

[belfast rep]

I don't really understand that post.

I never said that it equated to evidence of an invite, but I did say that most people won't see much difference. And they'd be justified.

Fair play to you if you're going to the march with one of the eirigi members, better than standing with those blasted t-shirts on - who's idea was that? :icon_lol:

I'll not give people hassle, there are def genuine people there and to be honest I feel more sorry for them than anything when I see them in impossible situations.

What exactly is eirigi's black propaganda. I know of none, nor would i support it if it were happening.
i don't think anyone was overly stressed about your pity, or whether you thought they were genuine or not.
by the i didn't go the march with an eirigi member, what give you that adea

[conghaileach]

Oh wait, found one:

It is thought he is hoping to fulfil his longstanding promise to visit the Province after failing to attend the investment conference.

Mr Paisley and Mr McGuinness invited President Bush to visit Ulster when they were at the White House last December.

Newsletter (http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/Bush-bound-for-Ulster.4103266.jp), 21 May 2008

Ahem.

[boiler-1888]

M mcG didnt raise Orgas concerns lets not lie to oursleves here.

[robertemmett]

psf are hipocrits this evening. mc guinness especially.

[IrelandUnfree]

M mcG didnt raise Orgas concerns lets not lie to oursleves here.
What concerns did he address then? I assume you have access to all the issues that were discussed between Mr Bush and Mr McGuinness?

I'll certainly be looking into it myself as the concerns should have been addressed and it is a failure by Mr McGuinness to the party as well as to other organisations which also raised concerns.

[robertemmett]

well its a valuable opportunity for the president of the USA to listen to some concerns raised by the first minister of a UK regional assembly's PA... sorry, deputy... about the impact US foreign is having on global politics.

i am quite sure the president will be assembling his foreign policy advisers and chiefs of the armed services for an emergency session to redraft his foreign policy in line with the concerns raised by the Deputy in charge of paper clips.

[IrelandUnfree]

well its a valuable opportunity for the president of the USA to listen to some concerns raised by the first minister of a UK regional assembly's PA... sorry, deputy... about the impact US foreign is having on global politics.

i am quite sure the president will be assembling his foreign policy advisers and chiefs of the armed services for an emergency session to redraft his foreign policy in line with the concerns raised by the Deputy in charge of paper clips.

Well how else should we go about it? Should Marty go back to the old days and "pop a cap in his ass" or should PSF declare the peace process dead because Herr Bush isn't addressing our concerns adequately and then go and bomb the American embassy?

[robertemmett]

Well how else should we go about it? Should Marty go back to the old days and "pop a cap in his ass" or should PSF declare the peace process dead because Herr Bush isn't addressing our concerns adequately and then go and bomb the American embassy?

a simple snub... of not meeting him would have spoke volumes... in the same way that his meeting him also speaks volumes about where psf are heading these days

[robertemmett]

i take it then, that you would have no problem with mcg meeting the queen on a visit to ireland... even if it was to raise "concerns"
???