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larkin32
06-27-2008, 12:59 PM
By John Martin(USA)



They came as slaves; vast human cargo transported on tall British ships bound for the Americas. They were shipped by the hundreds of thousands and included men, women, and even the youngest of children.

Whenever they rebelled or even disobeyed an order, they were punished in the harshest ways. Slave owners would hang their human property by their hands and set their hands or feet on fire as one form of punishment. They were burned alive and had their heads placed on pikes in the marketplace as a warning to other captives.

We don’t really need to go through all of the gory details, do we? After all, we know all too well the atrocities of the African slave trade. But, are we talking about African slavery?

King James II and Charles I led a continued effort to enslave the Irish. Britain’s famed Oliver Cromwell furthered this practice of dehumanizing one’s next door neighbor.

The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as slaves to the New World. His Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies. By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves.

Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English merchants. The majority of the early slaves to the New World were actually white.

From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland’s population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade. Families were ripped apart as the British did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them across the Atlantic. This led to a helpless population of homeless women and children. Britain’s solution was to auction them off as well.

During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers.

Many people today will avoid calling the Irish slaves what they truly were: Slaves. They’ll come up with terms like “Indentured Servants” to describe what occurred to the Irish. However, in most cases from the 17th and 18th centuries, Irish slaves were nothing more than human cattle.

As an example, the African slave trade was just beginning during this same period. It is well recorded that African slaves, not tainted with the stain of the hated Catholic theology and more expensive to purchase, were often treated far better than their Irish counterparts.

African slaves were very expensive during the late 1600s (50 Sterling). Irish slaves came cheap (no more than 5 Sterling). If a planter whipped or branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. A death was a monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive African.

The English masters quickly began breeding the Irish women for both their own personal pleasure and for greater profit. Children of slaves were themselves slaves, which increased the size of the master’s free workforce. Even if an Irish woman somehow obtained her freedom, her kids would remain slaves of her master. Thus, Irish moms, even with this new found emancipation, would seldom abandon their kids and would remain in servitude.

In time, the English thought of a better way to use these women (in many cases, girls as young as 12) to increase their market share: The settlers began to breed Irish women and girls with African men to produce slaves with a distinct complexion. These new “mulatto” slaves brought a higher price than Irish livestock and, likewise, enabled the settlers to save money rather than purchase new African slaves.

This practice of interbreeding Irish females with African men went on for several decades and was so widespread that, in 1681, legislation was passed “forbidding the practice of mating Irish slave women to African slave men for the purpose of producing slaves for sale.” In short, it was stopped only because it interfered with the profits of a large slave transport company.

England continued to ship tens of thousands of Irish slaves for more than a century. Records state that, after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands of Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia.

There were horrible abuses of both African and Irish captives. One British ship even dumped 1,302 slaves into the Atlantic Ocean so that the crew would have plenty of food to eat.

There is little question that the Irish experienced the horrors of slavery as much (if not more in the 17th Century) as the Africans did. There is, also, very little question that those brown, tanned faces you witness in your travels to the West Indies are very likely a combination of African and Irish ancestry.

In 1839, Britain finally decided on it’s own to end it’s participation in Satan’s highway to hell and stopped transporting slaves. While their decision did not stop pirates from doing what they desired, the new law slowly concluded THIS chapter of nightmarish Irish misery.
But, if anyone, black or white, believes that slavery was only an African experience, then they’ve got it completely wrong.

Irish slavery is a subject worth remembering, not erasing from our memories. But, where are our public (and PRIVATE) schools???? Where are the history books? Why is it so seldom discussed?

Do the memories of hundreds of thousands of Irish victims merit more than a mention from an unknown writer? Or is their story to be one that their English pirates intended: To (unlike the African book) have the Irish story utterly and completely disappear as if it never happened.

None of the Irish victims ever made it back to their homeland to describe their ordeal. These are the lost slaves; the ones that time and biased history books conveniently forgot.






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bay
06-27-2008, 01:05 PM
a despicable piece of history I didn't know much about. ugh.

Tir Eoghain
06-27-2008, 01:09 PM
a despicable piece of history I didn't know much about. ugh.Thats not even half of it ,

mickyk200
06-27-2008, 01:13 PM
There was also Irish slaves taken between the 16 and 19th centuries and sold to the Ottoman Empire. White slaves were taken from all over Europe during this time and sold into the Islamic slave trade.

bay
06-27-2008, 01:17 PM
I was dimly aware of that one micky.

If ya all read the letter from Leonard Peltier I posted, you'll see that Indians were the first slaves in the new world, but they rebelled and committed suicide rather than be slaves... so the europeans had to import african slaves.

the whole idea of enslaving another human being is despicable, and unfortunately still goes on.

larkin32
06-27-2008, 01:17 PM
Island paradise recalls Irish slavery

Monument to commemorate Cromwell's Irish victims in the Caribbean

St. Kitts is one of those places holidaymakers dream about; beautiful unspoiled beaches on both the Caribbean and Atlantic sides of the island, luxury accommodation with all the amenities, tropical beauty preserved from overdevelopment by the strictest environmental laws in the Caribbean.

It is a place where the most physically fit can test their mettle on a night dive or the more sedentary nature lovers among us can relax while reveling at the sight of migrating whales frolicking in the narrow one mile channel separating St. Kitts from sister island Nevis. History lovers can visit the birthplace of Alexander Hamilton on Nevis and tourists from around the world have marveled at the massive Brimstone Hill Fortress. This 18th century series of fortifications and buildings are certainly among the most impressive and historically significant structures in all of the West Indies.

However, there is a bit of history of the island which until recently has gone overlooked by virtually all visitors. That is the history of the Irish who suffered during Cromwell's reign in the mid 1600's. St. Kitts was at the time the jewel of England's possessions in the New World as its shipping hub and largest sugar producer. Today several former sugar plantations have been renovated into exceptional resort properties such as Rawlins Plantation. Yet the 25,000 Irish men and women shipped in bondage as slaves by Cromwell to St. Kitts worked on these sugar plantations long before five star meals and Pina Coladas were being served. Never before exposed to tropical heat, sun, and insects after being torn from whatever was left of their families after Cromwell's army ravaged the country, the Irish faced misery as slave labourers.

English shipping of Irish slaves to the New World earlier in the 1600s has been documented in many works. In 1612 Irish people were sent to the Amazon River settlements. An English Proclamation of the year 1625 urges banishment overseas of dangerous rogues (Irish political prisoners). Ireland was already a prime source of supply for servants and by 1637 on Montserrat the Irish heavily outnumbered the English colonists; 69% of all white people on the island were Irish.

By 1650 during Cromwell's unfathomable reign of terror in Ireland the numbers of Irish sent into slavery were unlike anything previously experienced. Remember that in 1641 Ireland had a population of 1,466,000 and by 1652 the population was down to only 616,000. According to Sir William. Petty, ``850,000 were wasted by the sword, plague, famine, banishment during the Confederation War 1641-1652.'' By the end of the war estimates vary from 80,000 to 130,000 of Irish men, women and children captured for sale as slaves to labour in England's expanding empire. The English were quite proud of these accomplishments as can be noted in Prendergast, ``Thurloe's State Papers'' (published in London in 1742), ``It was a measure beneficial to Ireland, which was thus relieved of a population that might trouble the planters; it was a benefit to the people removed, who might thus be made English and Christian, a great benefit to the West Indies sugar planters, who desired men and boys for their bondsmen, and the women and Irish girls to solace them''. Under James I, Cromwell burned the Irish forests to prevent people hiding from banishment as well as clearing the countryside for pasture land to feed cattle for English beef.

Emmet asserted, ``Over 100,000 young children who were orphans or had been taken from their Catholic parents, were sent abroad into slavery in the West Indies, Virginia, and New England, that they might lose their faith and all knowledge of their nationality, for in most instances even their names were changed.'' Many of the 25,000 Irish slaves on St. Kitts died from tropical heat, disease, or overwork. Any Irish caught trying to escape was branded FT for Fugitive Traitor on their forehead. Other slaves were whipped, hung by their hands and set on fire, or beaten over the head until bloody for anything the English considered provocation. Over 150 Irish slaves were caught practicing Catholicism and were shipped to the tiny uninhabitable Crab Island where they were left to die of starvation. Of the Irish who managed to stay alive under these drastic conditions and their descendants, many were eventually shipped from the West Indies sugar plantation to the new English settlements in South Carolina.

It is this moving story that compelled the current Minister of St. Kitts, G. A. Dwyer Astaphan, to meet with Tom Culhane of Union, New Jersey and discuss his proposal to erect a suitable monument on the island in memory of the Irish slaves. By respectfully honouring their memory near the site where the Irish were unloaded and put up for sale it is hoped the souls of those departed will be forever remembered and this dark period of Irish history not be allowed to pass from the consciousness of people today and into the future.

Minister Astaphan, eager to proceed and duly commemorate the saga of Irish slavery, recently introduced legislation before the St. Kitts Parliament to grant a suitable parcel of land for the monument. Culhane envisions a base of Connemara marble with a bronze statue, possibly a foundation, surrounded by four plaques representing the provinces of Ireland, and four sets of steps around the base representing the 32 counties. It is hoped that $250,000 can be raised to cover all costs in this non-profit venture. Culhane feels the Irish around the world have been given a rare opportunity by Minister Astaphan; another country is now willing to help us tell the story of our shared Irish history. Tourists from around the world will view this monument for generations to come. Artists are invited to submit early renditions of a sculpture subject to final approval based on a committee including St. Kitts residents formed to select the winning design.
Perhaps it takes a small island nation with hospitable people to welcome a new idea such as The St Kitts Irish Slavery Monument.



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mickyk200
06-27-2008, 01:20 PM
I was dimly aware of that one micky.

If ya all read the letter from Leonard Peltier I posted, you'll see that Indians were the first slaves in the new world, but they rebelled and committed suicide rather than be slaves... so the europeans had to import african slaves.

the whole idea of enslaving another human being is despicable, and unfortunately still goes on.
Did ya know that an Irish slave cost about 5 pounds sterling but and black slave cost 50 pounds?

If a plantation owner beat a slave to death it wasn't a crime just a financial set back, so rather than kill an expensive African slave they would kill an Irish slave instead.

bay
06-27-2008, 01:37 PM
it's just sick no matter how you look at it

mickyk200
06-27-2008, 01:47 PM
it's just sick no matter how you look at it
Slavery is sick by definition, but a whole lot of people overlook Irish slavery seeing African-Americans as the true victims of slavery while it's shared with several ethnicities.

MarkyMark
06-27-2008, 02:55 PM
** Moved to History **

larkin32
06-28-2008, 01:23 PM
:eusa_silenced:

Seán1798
07-06-2008, 08:44 PM
. By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves.


There were no Irish slaves on Montserrat this man is making things up, I don't know why. There were even very few slaves of African origin during mid 1600's. I'd like to see John Martins supposed sources. It is true that on Montserrat there were plenty of Irish, it was in effect an Irish colony through and through. Some few of the poorer class may have been kidnapped and transported against their will but the practice of being "Barbadoed" was far more common in England. The authorities elsewhere by no means wanted to coerce the Irish into going to the West Indies. In 1644 Barbados tried to ban Irish indentured labour altogether and the assembly passed a law prohibiting the landing of any Irish persons. The law failed and the Irish kept on coming lol Slaves they weren't.

lambhdeargh
07-07-2008, 12:13 AM
There were no Irish slaves on Montserrat this man is making things up, I don't know why. There were even very few slaves of African origin during mid 1600's. I'd like to see John Martins supposed sources. It is true that on Montserrat there were plenty of Irish, it was in effect an Irish colony through and through. Some few of the poorer class may have been kidnapped and transported against their will but the practice of being "Barbadoed" was far more common in England. The authorities elsewhere by no means wanted to coerce the Irish into going to the West Indies. In 1644 Barbados tried to ban Irish indentured labour altogether and the assembly passed a law prohibiting the landing of any Irish persons. The law failed and the Irish kept on coming lol Slaves they weren't.

I think the phrase "Ahh f uck off" can now be ascribed to you. Are you some sort of west coast brit with an aversion to anything in this reality?

Seán1798
07-07-2008, 01:09 AM
I think the phrase "Ahh f uck off" can now be ascribed to you. Are you some sort of west coast brit with an aversion to anything in this reality?

Ascribe what you want to who you want lambhdeargh, I'm just dealing with historical facts not with some deluded reality that you seem to want to cling to. If you've got any primary sources about Irish being slaves on Montserrat then post them but you won't because none exist. The story of Montserrat is well documented, there were never any Irish slaves there.

lambhdeargh
07-07-2008, 01:29 AM
Ascribe what you want to who you want lambhdeargh, I'm just dealing with historical facts not with some deluded reality that you seem to want to cling to. If you've got any primary sources about Irish being slaves on Montserrat then post them but you won't because none exist. The story of Montserrat is well documented, there were never any Irish slaves there.

Ohh, consider handbag withdrawn.

larkin32
07-08-2008, 02:41 PM
thread was posted in relation to black culture month..and slavery et cetera