32csm: Queens Visit Not Acceptable.

[RyanSouthDerry]

Press Release:

Queens Visit Not Acceptable Whilst British Rule Continues

The 32 County Sovereignty Movement wish to highlight the serious error of judgement being exercised by Mary McAleese, President of the 26 County State, in claiming that the time is now appropriate for an official visit by the British Monarch to that State. In truth the question of appropriate timing is the preserve of the British Government given that her continued refusal to countenance such a visit was based upon Articles 2&3 being viewed by the British establishment as being illegal Irish claims to sovereignty over part of the United Kingdom.

The visit by the British Monarch does not represent recognition of a new relationship between the peoples of the two islands but a formal Dublin acceptance of how the British establishment views how sovereignty on the two islands should be constituted. The visit represents an Irish capitulation to the legitimacy of occupation and partition

The notion that peace and understanding has been established between our two peoples is somewhat dented when it is considered that the Monarch refused to let her own horses perform within the southern state whilst that state's people claimed sovereignty over our own island. Not for the first time has a British Head Of State prioritised both Stable and Horse above the Irish people and our legitimate claims to sovereignty over our own country.

Indeed this form of thinking extends to the fact that as a matter of protocol the British Government in official correspondence continues to refuse to use the term Irish Republic when referring to the southern state as this was the terminology used in our Declaration Of Independence.


If the argument is put forward that the Constitutional Question is resolved then the proposed visit is testimony to the fact that it is resolved ultimately to British satisfaction. Whether it is the continued foot-dragging by Westminster over details concerning its indictment in relation to the Dublin-Monaghan Bombings or its plans to build a massive MI5 headquarters on Irish soil such a visit can only demonstrate their utter indifference on these matters or indeed a confidence that the 26 County State will not effectively challenge them on either issue. Is this the normality that Mary McAleese refers to?

A visit by the British Monarch under these circumstances is not a new beginning but a continuation of the age old problem of British Parliamentary activity in Ireland. That activity is at the root of the Anglo-Irish conflict and must be brought to an end. There is no democratic settlement. What exists presently is an electoral arrangement, predicated on a British precondition determining a partitionist outcome, and exercised by a sectarian headcount, that sanitises the continuance of partition.

The 32CSM calls upon all republicans to oppose outright both the visit and the political posturing behind it and to unite it pursuing a true democracy on the island where the principle of consent is both sovereign and democratically accountable.

[Craobh Gal Gréine]

Press Release:

Queens Visit Not Acceptable Whilst British Rule Continues

The 32 County Sovereignty Movement wish to highlight the serious error of judgement being exercised by Mary McAleese, President of the 26 County State, in claiming that the time is now appropriate for an official visit by the British Monarch to that State. In truth the question of appropriate timing is the preserve of the British Government given that her continued refusal to countenance such a visit was based upon Articles 2&3 being viewed by the British establishment as being illegal Irish claims to sovereignty over part of the United Kingdom.

The visit by the British Monarch does not represent recognition of a new relationship between the peoples of the two islands but a formal Dublin acceptance of how the British establishment views how sovereignty on the two islands should be constituted. The visit represents an Irish capitulation to the legitimacy of occupation and partition

The notion that peace and understanding has been established between our two peoples is somewhat dented when it is considered that the Monarch refused to let her own horses perform within the southern state whilst that state's people claimed sovereignty over our own island. Not for the first time has a British Head Of State prioritised both Stable and Horse above the Irish people and our legitimate claims to sovereignty over our own country.

Indeed this form of thinking extends to the fact that as a matter of protocol the British Government in official correspondence continues to refuse to use the term Irish Republic when referring to the southern state as this was the terminology used in our Declaration Of Independence.


If the argument is put forward that the Constitutional Question is resolved then the proposed visit is testimony to the fact that it is resolved ultimately to British satisfaction. Whether it is the continued foot-dragging by Westminster over details concerning its indictment in relation to the Dublin-Monaghan Bombings or its plans to build a massive MI5 headquarters on Irish soil such a visit can only demonstrate their utter indifference on these matters or indeed a confidence that the 26 County State will not effectively challenge them on either issue. Is this the normality that Mary McAleese refers to?

A visit by the British Monarch under these circumstances is not a new beginning but a continuation of the age old problem of British Parliamentary activity in Ireland. That activity is at the root of the Anglo-Irish conflict and must be brought to an end. There is no democratic settlement. What exists presently is an electoral arrangement, predicated on a British precondition determining a partitionist outcome, and exercised by a sectarian headcount, that sanitises the continuance of partition.

The 32CSM calls upon all republicans to oppose outright both the visit and the political posturing behind it and to unite it pursuing a true democracy on the island where the principle of consent is both sovereign and democratically accountable.



I believe the enemies of Ireland plan to bring the Queen to Ireland in conjunction with a visit from the Pope.

[RyanSouthDerry]

the pope only wants to come for a bita banter he wants some irish whisky lol

[ciaranxavier]

id hope this is every partys stand. bringing the queen to ireland would show a sign of acceptance about the situation in the north. once the north is free then let the old bag come.

[Erin_go_bragh]

I think it should be protested. Sinn fein wont protest it, it wouldnt fit in with the policy of unionist engagement but i couldnt bare the thought of "her majesty" coming to inspect her "realm" in Ireland.

[Carlos McJackle]

the queue from the Irish nationalist political leadership class to simper , get overly excited , don pathetic fixed grins , buy the wife a new dress and kiss her royal ass will be quite nauseating . A spectacle of national debasement and another turn of the wheel back to the dark ages . In order to engage with unionism it may be necessary for adams to join the queue , or just send a flunkie as per usual in case its a bad move that backfires . If Sinn Fein refuse to grovel like the rest of them before the Queen in Dublin how can our unionist brethren be assured they would be welcome in our mythical united Ireland ?

[broche]

it will be as bad as when john unionist was sucking up to the genetic freak charles

[MarkyMark]

I wonder if she'll be taking a boating trip in Sligo??? ;)

[FreeDerry81]

any word on the hag yet?

[Erin_go_bragh]

I wonder if she'll be taking a boating trip in Sligo??? ;)

Or a scenic route driver along the county down coast :D

[JPL]

I will fully oppose this visit and voice my objections on the streets via the largest republican march that will inevitably come.

[ciaranxavier]

I will fully oppose this visit and voice my objections on the streets via the largest republican march that will inevitably come.

hear hear :eusa_clap:

[John]

I wonder if she'll be taking a boating trip in Sligo??? ;)

:beer: A TOAST then !!! Here's to the visit being a real blast...... http://www.smileyhut.com/angry/bomb.gif (http://www.smileyhut.com)

[FreeSouthCarolina]

The 32CSM calls upon all republicans to oppose outright both the visit and the political posturing behind it and to unite it pursuing a true democracy on the island where the principle of consent is both sovereign and democratically accountable.

I'm ready to answer the call comrade.

[Joseph Pariah]

Surely Republicans can co-operate on this issue? It's something we all oppose. The only problem I have with it is the fact that her visits to the North are not protested. Why does it matter what part of the country she visits?

[oneeyedjohnsty]

i dont think it would be in 'our royal interest' for her to make the 30 min flight. i dont think ryanair would have her and easyjet only allows a 20kilo check in. i would imagine she would need alot more - surely she needs to carry a defibulator around? plus, she would have more chance making it home in one piece if she was to hang around tube stations in london playing russian roulette with a wreck of heroin addicts

[MarkyMark]

All republicans will agree on this issue. Just like at the FAIR march. While PSF called on their members not to take part, it certainly didnt stop them. Tey jus didnt carry SF banners. I know, i was there ;)

[Joseph Pariah]

They may have been passively opposed to their members taking part in that instance, but I'd imagine this will be different. Surely the PSF leadership will be taking part in widespread grovelling to Her Royal Highness amongst Irish politicians? A number of them are after all Crown Ministers.

[JuniorRepublican93]

I will fully oppose this visit and voice my objections on the streets via the largest republican march that will inevitably come.
she should go kiss the ****ing blarney stone while she's at it!:icon_lol: **** the queen

[scarface]

IMO they will fly her to that bitch mcaleese's house or to dublin castle and they'll have tea it will be a good place for a picket

[ciaranxavier]

IMO they will fly her to that bitch mcaleese's house or to dublin castle and they'll have tea it will be a good place for a picket

hopefully somebody will shove that picket you know where

[JuniorRepublican93]

IMO they will fly her to that bitch mcaleese's house or to dublin castle and they'll have tea it will be a good place for a picket

and then they'll probably go in for tea and crumpets when it rains! tally ho' ol' chap! dumb old bitch is the queen...

[MarkyMark]

hows about the contos or the reals actually use one of their shiny RPG 22's on her convoy???

[Na Fianna Éireann]

I hear they want her to visit Kerry for some reason,anyone know why??

By the way I think it would make sense if Republicans did co-operate on the protest, but I dont see the Provos becoming involved in ANY form of public disorder in Dublin. It just wont happen.

I can remember when George Bush visited Hillsbouragh Castle and held a meeting with Gerry Adams a few years back. There were ógra SF people in town handing out leaflets protesting the visit at the same time outside Trinity Collage. When I told them that Gerry was meetin' George they refused to believe me. they said ''no way'' and ''your wrong''.

[Jim]

hows about the contos or the reals actually use one of their shiny RPG 22's on her convoy???

Maybe the provos could drop their lumps of concrete on top of the convoy,using Gerry and Martin ego as the drop spot.

[Spartakist]

Can't wait how the new blow job/sex scandal turns out. Maybe they not coming after all. :icon_lol:

[duggie-89]

All republicans will agree on this issue. Just like at the FAIR march. While PSF called on their members not to take part, it certainly didnt stop them. Tey jus didnt carry SF banners. I know, i was there ;)

i agree i think every republican wud take part in a march like dat!!

i think SF offically will have there hands tied just like what the DUP wil have when da pope visits.

i think if der was no actually party emblems for any party then we will see da best results!!

ie a united republican march and not a march by SF, 32 csm, RSF, IRSP etc

[Jim]

i agree i think every republican wud take part in a march like dat!!

i think SF offically will have there hands tied just like what the DUP wil have when da pope visits.

i think if der was no actually party emblems for any party then we will see da best results!!

ie a united republican march and not a march by SF, 32 csm, RSF, IRSP etc

The Republican Unity Project would be ideal in a situation like that in so far as it would be a unified republican march of opposition and all groups/persons in the march would be equally represented.
The problem with having a march of opposition outside the framework would be that most people would mistakenly assume that it was organised by the provisionals and it if went well i could hardly see them denying that.

[Liam Lynch]

The Republican Unity Project would be ideal in a situation like that in so far as it would be a unified republican march of opposition and all groups/persons in the march would be equally represented.
The problem with having a march of opposition outside the framework would be that most people would mistakenly assume that it was organised by the provisionals and it if went well i could hardly see them denying that.

So let's challenge them on that.

[Jim]

So let's challenge them on that.

There is no need as the republican unity project is the best way that any potential march has of being successful.

The provisionals are only happy when its (a)they're in charge (b) insisting on having representation that far exceeds them (c) if they dont get what they want, they'll organise another march at the same time.

[Liam Lynch]

There is no need as the republican unity project is the best way that any potential march has of being successful.

The provisionals are only happy when its (a)they're in charge (b) insisting on having representation that far exceeds them (c) if they dont get what they want, they'll organise another march at the same time.

Apologies, I misinterpreted your original point.

[Jim]

Apologies, I misinterpreted your original point.

No need.