Surnames

[BIG JOHNY]

on less your name starts with an O`AH!!!

[Vox Illuminati]

know its about us talking about 1798 and ending up hanging out with the vikings,so why not go back in time ah!!,,,and leave south armagh alone them ****ing helicopters were killing slabs sheep,there you go mocking the dead again vox:whip::whip::whip::whip::whip::whip::whip::whip ::whip:

Are you on medication for that bad leg of yours?

[Seán1798]

on less your name starts with an O`AH!!!

Surnames didn't come in for the most of us until after the Normans showed up. Then we were called by the name of the King or Lord whose land we were living on as a designation of their ownership of us.

[BIG JOHNY]

Surnames didn't come in for the most of us until after the Normans showed up. Then we were called by the name of the King or Lord whose land we were living on as a designation of their ownership of us.we always had names and were are you getting this history out of,

[BIG JOHNY]

Are you on medication for that bad leg of yours?that was a joke about armagh, and dont mention my disability in a mocking fashion
on this board again,

[Seán1798]

we always had names and were are you getting this history out of,

People such as McLysaght et al, historians, if you think we always had surnames you're welcome to think that but the fact remains you're wrong.

[BIG JOHNY]

People such as McLysaght et al, historians, if you think we always had surnames you're welcome to think that but the fact remains you're wrong.i didnt say surnames i said names we always had names,

[Seán1798]

i didnt say surnames i said names we always had names,

Yes we always had names, but we lost all our Ivernic ones and all the ones in languages that ever came in the days before we were made slaves.

[BIG JOHNY]

Yes we always had names, but we lost all our Ivernic ones and all the ones in languages that ever came in the days before we were made slaves.what has any of this got to do with republicanism and armed struggle i left school years ago mo chara

[BIG JOHNY]

Yes we always had names, but we lost all our Ivernic ones and all the ones in languages that ever came in the days before we were made slaves.
The Mesolithic, or Middle Stone Age

The first humans in Ireland are thought to have crossed from Scotland, in wooden boats, to what is now county Antrim around 8000BC. It is also thought that the rising land and rising sea levels may have moved at a fluctuating pace, occasionally allowing the southern land bridge to re-emerge from the Irish Sea, as well as a northern one connecting Antrim to Scotland. These would have lasted only briefly, but would have allowed the migrations of both humans and animals. There is a cultural continuity between the mesolithic remains found in north Ireland and those in southern Scotland. Ireland was one of the last parts of western Europe to have been settled by humans, and the human presence here is perhaps only about 10,000 years old.

These early hunters concentrated their activities on waterways, forraging on the shores of the sea, lakes and rivers. They rarely ventured into the forested interior, so Ireland's young ecosystem was almost totally unaffected by these early residents. The earliest concrete evidence of mesolithic activity in Ireland is to be found in county Antrim (which is Ireland's only source of flint), county derry and county Sligo. Mount Sandel (county derry) was excavated in the 1970s. The archaeologists found the remains of mesolithic huts and charcoal from cooking fires, and these have been dated to between 7000BC and 6500BC. 'The Curran' (near Larne in county Antrim) is a raised beach where archaeologists have found thousands of flint tools. In county Offaly, archaeologists uncovered evidence of a Mesolithic settlement at Lough Boora.

Evidence suggests that Ireland was initially populated from Scotland, although there must surely have been some migration from Wales and south-west England. Finds of Mesolithic tools (although not settlements) suggests that these hunters spread south down the east coast of Ireland and inland along rivers to the Shannon basin.

Near the end of the Mesolithic era, which ended roughly around 4000BC, the hunters were beginning to copy coiled pottery using technology that had spread from the more advanced Neolithic tribes of eastern Europe. Although Mesolithic man built huts, pottery and tools, they did not leave any earthworks such as those found in France. The earliest earthworks in Ireland are Neolithic.

The final part of the Mesolithic era is marked by a decline in the population, or at least a decline in the relics that we have found. The climate got wetter at this time and many of the lakes in western Ireland began to turn into the bogs that we know today. This may have caused a decline in the population that the land could support.

Everyday Life in Mesolithic Ireland

The people of Mesolithic Ireland were hunters and gatherers - farming was not invented until the Neolithic period. The family groups would have lived near rivers and lakes in houses made from animal skins spread over a bowl-shaped timber frame. Some superb reconstructed Mesolithic homes can be seen at the Ulster History Park, near Omagh in county Tyrone. These homes were not permanent - the people moved around a lot from site to site and the skins from the houses were brought with them to the new site. Always the camps were set up near the coast, lakes or rivers and they rarely ventured into the forests of the interior of Ireland. There were not enough people in Ireland for there to be competition for land and there is no evidence of weapons being used against other humans.

They hunted animals and birds using arrows tipped with sharpened pieces of flint. They also used spears which, although they could not be thrown as far as an arrow, were heavier. Among the animals that these hunters would have sought were deer, duck and wild boar. These food sources would have been most important in the autumn.

They also hunted fish. A man would stand motionless in a river with a flint-barbed harpoon, and spear the unsuspecting salmon and eels as they swam past. This required great patience and skill. Some may also have fished further off shore, in lakes or the sea, using skin boats stretched over a wooden frame, or dug-out canoes made from tree trunks. Flounder and bass were favourite catches. Fish formed the biggest part of the Mesolithic diet in the summer, while eels were caught more in the Autumn.

The meat would have been carried back to their campsite where it would have been cooked over an out-door fire and eaten communally. The skins would have been removed to make clothes and to repair or add to the houses.

The women of the community would have also gathered hazelnuts, fruits and berries in the spring, summer and autumn which would have added variety and nutrients to the meat-rich diet. Winter must have been a harsh period, as few food sources were available. It seems that the hunters killed wild boar in the winter.

[croimaith]

Surely people took the names of their clans, the Ui Néill and so on.

[Seán1798]

what has any of this got to do with republicanism and armed struggle i left school years ago mo chara

It's to do with The History of our People and the Struggle and me disagreeing with you that it has to be armed in order to acheive the Republican goal of Uniting all people of this island and gaining independance from America and Europe and regaining our People in the north.

[Seán1798]

Surely people took the names of their clans, the Ui Néill and so on.


What about the slaves and the serf classes how were they related to their 'clans'? Clans kept the power in the family AFAIK they didn't breed with the lower classes they were an elitist organsiation. If everbody with a Gaelic name checks it they're descended from some King or Overlord or other. We can't all be when the bigger class was the slave and serf class and bonded tenant class. We didn't just stop breeding and let the Kings take over for us.

[croimaith]

Not sure how names were distributed.

There's a description of the class structure here:

http://www.triskelle.eu/history/celticsociety.php

[Seán1798]

Not sure how names were distributed.

There's a description of the class structure here:

http://www.triskelle.eu/history/celticsociety.php

Good stuff, here are my people lol

Bothachs - The Cottiers

The lowest class in the Celtic community was made up from broken farmers, unskilled labourers, outcasts and criminals. These bothachs, or cottiers, had rights nor property. They didn't belong to a tuath even though they lived in the realm. For their existence the bothachs completely relied on the grace of the aires, who may or may not allow him to live on his land and to herd his cattle.

They don't mention the out and out slaves on that page though.

[fergal]

seams like you ones have been surviving on next to nothing for a while sean

[Cúchulainn]

Surnames didn't come in for the most of us until after the Normans showed up. Then we were called by the name of the King or Lord whose land we were living on as a designation of their ownership of us.

Surnames were around before the Normans.

[Seán1798]

Surnames were around before the Normans.

Only for the rich vampires feeding of us and they weren't hereditary.

[Seán1798]

seams like you ones have been surviving on next to nothing for a while sean

lol sure it was always the way fergal