Urgent action required as segregated wings fill up!

[RyanSouthDerry]

Urgent action required as segregated wings fill up - RPAG

The segregated wings in Maghaberry are quickly filling up, and regrettably a significant body of criminals have entered these wings. The Republican Prisoners' Action Group is concerned that Republican POWs may be forced to double-up with other prisoners in their cells, and if the Brits or those acting on their behalf in Maghaberry attempt to force the POWs to share cells with criminals they may be forced into taking some form of action in protest against such a distasteful policy.

We call on those concerned to ensure that there is no attempt to implement such a foolhardy policy within the gaol. The refusal on the part of the prison authorities to allow Republican prisoners to organise their own landings has led to this situation arising.

The prisoners have demonstrated generosity on their part in agreeing to a temporary suspension of of the latest phase of their protest for political status last week. However they also made it clear that the suspension should not be viewed as a sign of weakness, and that any foot-dragging on issues pertaining to better living conditions for the prisoners will not be tolerated.

[scarface]

this is a very serious situation we can't allow any form of criminalization to happen republican prisoners are political prisoners not criminals

[FreeDerry81]

we cannot allow republican prisoners to be classified as pety criminals, i sincerly hope this goes the right way....

[Erin_go_bragh]

I would endorse any protest they wish to make. Disgusting.

[tom42191]

Around how many POWs are currenty serving time? It would be horrible for them to be labled as criminals, I would hate to see that the 10 hunger strikers died in vain.

[quirk]

As far as I am aware the IRPWA currently supports 18 POW's in Portlaoise and 3 in maghaberry. I am not sure how many prisoners there are from other groups, maybe someone else can fill you in.

[Vox Populi]

Three are supported by the IRSM in the north and one or two in the south.

[Rory O'Connor]

We must advertise the denial of the Irish republican political prisoners' human rights as much as we possibly can.

[DublinRepublican]

Why is this in the 32csm section?

[quirk]

Why is this in the 32csm section?

I think it got put here when the board was reorganised. The moderators didn't have time to go through each thread and decide where it should be put so some ended up in the wrong section based on who posted them.

Do you know how many prisoners Cabhair support at present?

[Rory O'Connor]

Do you have a list of the names of Óglaigh na hÉireann's POWs who are currently incarcerated in Portlaoise Prison and Maghaberry Prison, quirk?

[DublinRepublican]

Quirk,
there are about 10 or 12 pows support by cabhair in Portlaoise and about 15 or so in Maghaberry.

[quirk]

Do you have a list of the names of Óglaigh na hÉireann's POWs who are currently incarcarated in Portlaoise Prison and Maghaberry Prison, quirk?

The names are no longer given out. A list of those supported by the IRPWA used to be published in the Sovereign Nation but the state was preparing to use this as evidence of IRA membership for those on remand. I also think it could be dangerous for POW's or their families to publish their names especially for those who live in proximity to loyalist areas.

[mickyk200]

this may surprise some people as I think I've made my stance on the RIRA and CIRA quite clear but is there a petition or anything which we can actually do something to resolve this?

[kev86]

Cabhair supports 10 POWs in Portlaoise, and 6 sentanced POWs in maghaberry,a further 6 or so men are on remand at maghaberry

[belfast 1916]

for what its worth, why dont the ocs of the different orgs in maghaberry sent out a list of who they claim anyone else should be told to get there brown bag and f**k off, if they refuse to go send there names out and let ALL the orgs work toghther to tell the hoods familes to get them off the wing or deal with the conseqences

[Seabird]

Hate to interrupt here but the Óglaigh na hÉireann's POWs are not support by any other organization except Coiste. There are 4 in Portlaoise, 6 in Castlerea and 3 in Magheberry. Please do not confuse these men with the splintered group known as the Reals that have taken on the name Óglaigh na hÉireann, we all know they are not the IRA! Never have been and never will be!

UP THE RA!!!!

[quirk]

Hate to interrupt here but the Óglaigh na hÉireann's POWs are not support by any other organization except Coiste. There are 4 in Portlaoise, 6 in Castlerea and 3 in Magheberry. Please do not confuse these men with the splintered group known as the Reals that have taken on the name Óglaigh na hÉireann, we all know they are not the IRA! Never have been and never will be!

UP THE RA!!!!

What makes the organisation you support the IRA?

[Seabird]

quirk,

Where does the name IRA come from and who fought an armed campaign for over 30 years? When the media section is posted with tons of segments on the RA, are they showing the REALS? Come on quirk you are not stupid, you know it and I do to that the name IRA belongs to the men and women that fought for years, were interned, tortured, went on Hunger Strike, intiated the attack on english soil etc and so on. Give me a ****ing break!!!!!:whip:

[quirk]

quirk,

Where does the name IRA come from and who fought an armed campaign for over 30 years? When the media section is posted with tons of segments on the RA, are they showing the REALS? Come on quirk you are not stupid, you know it and I do to that the name IRA belongs to the men and women that fought for years, were interned, tortured, went on Hunger Strike, intiated the attack on english soil etc and so on. Give me a ****ing break!!!!!:whip:

The group which is referred to as the Real IRA was formed by the same people who fought that war for 30 odd years. Do you think they just came out of no where. When you make claims about who actually is the IRA maybe you should first look at which group upheld the constitution of Óglaigh na hÉireann and which breeched it. The (R) IRA was not formed in 1997, but is a continuation of the IRA until that point.

[kev86]

Seabird both the CIRA and the reals were formed by those who fought the war,and contain many many veterans from the last 30-40 years. So stop making stupid comments.

[FreeDerry81]

Hate to interrupt here but the Óglaigh na hÉireann's POWs are not support by any other organization except Coiste. There are 4 in Portlaoise, 6 in Castlerea and 3 in Magheberry. Please do not confuse these men with the splintered group known as the Reals that have taken on the name Óglaigh na hÉireann, we all know they are not the IRA! Never have been and never will be!

UP THE RA!!!!
So wait, what about the other prisoners incarcerated in maghaberry, portlaoise and english jails alligned to the 'reals' then? :hmmm: Do you support these POLITICAL PRISONERS? you know, the ones illegally imprisoned by a foreign oppresor for political beliefs and defending their nation?

[Rory O'Connor]

The group which is referred to as the Real IRA was formed by the same people who fought that war for 30 odd years. Do you think they just came out of no where. When you make claims about who actually is the IRA maybe you should first look at which group upheld the constitution of Óglaigh na hÉireann and which breeched it. The (R) IRA was not formed in 1997, but is a continuation of the IRA until that point.

:eusa_clap:

[Seabird]

quirk,


You can say whatever the bottom line remains the same, the REALS are just that the REALS. Full Stop The ones that walked away chose the name RIRA. I have nothing else to say on the matter!

kev,

And when they walked out they chose a different name. . .why? DUH because the IRA was already in existence and until the Army council disbands they are and will remain the IRA. The only stupid comment is the one you just wrote!

[quirk]

quirk,


You can say whatever the bottom line remains the same, the REALS are just that the REALS. Full Stop The ones that walked away chose the name RIRA. I have nothing else to say on the matter!

No they didnt choose that name. Even if they did if you used that logic then it is the stickies who are the actual IRA as then the provos walked away during that split and acording to you then the PROVOS are just the PROVOS. Full Stop.

[Seabird]

quirk,

They were not called the Provos but the Provisional IRA and they broke away from the officials. Full stop

[DublinRepublican]

Seems like seabird has come onto here to disrupt a thread about Republican POWs.

[quirk]

quirk,

They were not called the Provos but the Provisional IRA and they broke away from the officials. Full stop

So whats different then from what happened in 1997? Then they were not called the reals but the Real IRA and broke away from the provisionals. Full Stop. You cant apply one logic to one situation and another logic to a ifferent one because it suits your own beliefs. Also can you be a member of the IRA while in continuous breech of its constitution?

[Seabird]

No Dublin Republican I did not. It grips my arse that people post a topic on POWs when they are in actuality speaking about the RIRA POWs not the IRA. It is misleading and misrepresnting the actualy RA prisoners that are serving time in the gaol. The RA still has POWs and alittle respect for them would be nice. The REALS are not and will never be the RA so yes it bothers me when they attempt to hijack the name.

quirk,

I am not tossing words out on this any more, we just need to agree to disagree. . .even though we both know you are wrong!:eek: :icon_lol:

[scarface]

Hate to interrupt here but the Óglaigh na hÉireann's POWs are not support by any other organization except Coiste. There are 4 in Portlaoise, 6 in Castlerea and 3 in Magheberry. Please do not confuse these men with the splintered group known as the Reals that have taken on the name Óglaigh na hÉireann, we all know they are not the IRA! Never have been and never will be!

UP THE RA!!!!

to be an army you have to have guns we are talking about republican prisoners not pro RUC prisoners and Óglaigh na hÉireann's prisoners are supported by CABHAIR and CABHAIR only

[quirk]

I base my assertion that the "real" IRA are legitimate in using that name based on the fact that they continue to uphold the IRA constitution and always have done. Acceptance of the Mitchell principles was in contradiction of the constitution and by doing so the Provisionals ceased to be the legitimate IRA. Your belief Seabird seems to be based on nothing other than that it is your belief. Also it was the media that gave the name "real" to the IRA, a name which that organisation does not accept or use.

[Seabird]

scarface,

Who the fukc are you to assume the IRA POWs are pro RUC? You know this as a fact do ya? You are a disgrace!

[scarface]

scarface,

Who the fukc are you to assume the IRA POWs are pro RUC? You know this as a fact do ya? You are a disgrace!

the provo prisoners belong to an organisation that supports the RUC so it's only natural to assume they also support the RUC you are the one who is trying to ruin this thread

[scarface]

quirk,

They were not called the Provos but the Provisional IRA and they broke away from the officials. Full stop

they were the IRA under the guidence of the Provisional Army Council then just like they are the IRA under the guidence of the Continuity Army Council now

[Seabird]

scarface,

What????? I did not come on this thread to ruin it but state my opinion, yous do it all the time, thread after thread when it deals with SF yet that is okay? Geez talk about a one track mind. Whatever

[quirk]

they were the IRA under the guidence of the Provisional Army Council then just like they are the IRA under the guidence of the Continuity Army Council now

But there was no breech of the IRA constitution in 1986. It was legitimately changed at a general army convention. Those who formed the CAC simply withdrew and did in fact break away from the IRA.

[scarface]

But there was no breech of the IRA constitution in 1986. It was legitimately changed at a general army convention. Those who formed the CAC simply withdrew and did in fact break away from the IRA.

no the founders of the CAC preserved the constitution the convention itself was packed with "leadership stooges" and they were bluffed with a fake promise of a huge stepping up in the campaign when the process of scaling down had already started and the reals split seem to be more about a power struggle between the provo executive and the provo AC

[DublinRepublican]

But there was no breech of the IRA constitution in 1986. It was legitimately changed at a general army convention. Those who formed the CAC simply withdrew and did in fact break away from the IRA.

Hold on the 1997 PGAC voted in favour of the acceptance of the mitchell principles did it not? The cokes resigned after the GAC. So they accepted the result of the convention, they didnt walk out at it. Then resigned later on.
So they withdrew and infact broke away from the provos

"The convention backed the orthodox pro-ceasefire line, and on 26 October McKevitt and Sands-McKevitt resigned from the Executive along with several other members.[3]"

[quirk]

The constitution of the IRA could be changed by a two thirds majority at a general army convention. That's what happened. You can argue about why this happened but there is no disputing that it did happen and those who subsequently split stayed and participated in the vote. They didn't claim the vote was illegal or wrong but simply didn't accept it once the outcome was different from what they wanted.

As for 1997 of course the republican camp wanted power but this was in order to maintain the constitution and not simply for the sake of power. When this didn't happen they reconstituted themselves outside the remit of the provisionals, never once breeching the constitution and thus able to rightly claim the title of Óglaigh na hÉireann

[quirk]

Hold on the 1997 PGAC voted in favour of the acceptance of the mitchell principles did it not? The cokes resigned after the GAC. So they accepted the result of the convention, they didnt walk out at it. Then resigned later on.
So they withdrew and infact broke away from the provos

"The convention backed the orthodox pro-ceasefire line, and on 26 October McKevitt and Sands-McKevitt resigned from the Executive along with several other members.[3]"

But the IRA constitution meant that they could not accept the Mitchell principles without first changing the constitution yet this didn't happen. Thus their acceptance of Mitchell was unconstitutional and as a result legitimacy rested with those who continued to uphold the constitution.

[wherenow]

Tá sé craicailte. This is crazy. For reasons discussed at lenght they voted and lost. Then set up their own structure. I am not saying they are right or wrong, but quirk it does your viewpoint no service when you argue this point.
You know what the real issues are to you and you stand behing like minded people. People you support are prepared to risk their lives in the struggle for Irish Unity. Moving your struggle on is what is important not arguing about who left when, with who, said what and kissed which girl?
This type of bellybutton examination is just ........zzzzzzzzzz

[scarface]

back to the topic of this thread attempting to bring in criminals like Martin McGuinness's brother in law is not the only problem facing the POW's their families are bussed in to the prison with loyalist families and they are frequently threatened and the POW's are constantly being denied visits aswell

[mickyk200]

back to the topic of this thread attempting to bring in criminals like Martin McGuinness's brother in law is not the only problem facing the POW's their families are bussed in to the prison with loyalist families and they are frequently threatened and the POW's are constantly being denied visits aswell
scarface, any particular reason you decided to mention auld marty there?

[ardonian]

As in reading through this post which was a POW issue i find it hard to read seabirds posts and dont know why this woman is not banned this is a REPUBLICAN board.And my comrade quirk made the issue at hand and any other issue crystal clear.Slan

[FreeDerry81]

Free The Soldiers Of War Now!

[Hessian Peel]

Where does the name IRA come from and who fought an armed campaign for over 30 years? IRA belongs to the men and women that fought for years, were interned, tortured, went on Hunger Strike, intiated the attack on english soil etc and so on. Give me a ****ing break!!!!!:whip:


The Official IRA?

[Seabird]

The Officials cowered out my friend!:(

ardonian,

Are you saying I am not a republican because I do not believe as you?? Shame on you!!

[DublinRepublican]

The Officials cowered out my friend!:(


After talking to alot of ex OIRA volunteers, i think youll find alot of actions attributed to the Provos in the early days were OIRA actions. Also the bulk of active service volunteers went over to the INLA, so they didnt cowered out.
Atleast the OIRA never gave up guns or sat in stormant.

[quirk]

The Officials cowered out my friend!:(

ardonian,

Are you saying I am not a republican because I do not believe as you?? Shame on you!!

Should a republican not uphold the principles set out in the 1916 proclamation? I am not saying you are not a republican but there is a serious contradiction with your republican beliefs and support for the GFA.

[kev86]

Should a republican not uphold the principles set out in the 1916 proclamation? I am not saying you are not a republican but there is a serious contradiction with your republican beliefs and support for the GFA.

Hear hear

[Seabird]

quirk,

My principles are well intact, glad to see you do have concern for my moral fiber. You show me where in the proclamation that it states strategies cannot and will not be changed on reaching a United Ireland? I follow my personal convictions, I am a doer not a talker! I will continue to do what I can to help promote Sinn Fein as I see them as the only viable option to reaching a United Ireland.. . and it will come, at that time yous can lick the egg off each others faces!

[DublinRepublican]

quirk,

My principles are well intact, glad to see you do have concern for my moral fiber. You show me where in the proclamation that it states strategies cannot and will not be changed on reaching a United Ireland? I follow my personal convictions, I am a doer not a talker! I will continue to do what I can to help promote Sinn Fein as I see them as the only viable option to reaching a United Ireland.. . and it will come, at that time yous can lick the egg off each others faces!

"I am a doer not a talker! " What do you do? since you seem to like boasting about it. Do you canvas for PSF, are you a member of PSF?

[Seabird]

DR,

I am not boasting merely stating a fact, what I do is my own personal business.

[DublinRepublican]

DR,

I am not boasting merely stating a fact, what I do is my own personal business.

I just wondered since you were saying that active republicans can lick egg off their faces and what not.

[quirk]

quirk,

My principles are well intact, glad to see you do have concern for my moral fiber. You show me where in the proclamation that it states strategies cannot and will not be changed on reaching a United Ireland? I follow my personal convictions, I am a doer not a talker! I will continue to do what I can to help promote Sinn Fein as I see them as the only viable option to reaching a United Ireland.. . and it will come, at that time yous can lick the egg off each others faces!

Did I say that the proclamation does say this and if so where? What I did say that supporting the GFA is in contradiction to the principles of the 1916 proclamation. You cannot uphold both.

[decko murray]

does any body know when sean hoey will finally walk free from them trump up charges that have kept in maghaberry gaol for more than four years now

[scarface]

does any body know when sean hoey will finally walk free from them trump up charges that have kept in maghaberry gaol for more than four years now

unfortunately i don't think he'll walk free at all IMO he's is being scapegoated for this by the brits