RSF oppose British warships in Waterford

[scarface]

RSF oppose British warships in Waterford


Statement by Republican Sinn Féin Vice President Des Dalton


The presence of two British warships in Waterford is part of the ongoing campaign to normalise British rule in Ireland, selling the lie that British occupation is accepted and that the national question has been resolved.


The lesson of Irish history is that whilst British rule in Ireland remains there can be no basis for a just and lasting settlement. British rule is the root cause of conflict in Ireland and will never be regarded as either normal or acceptable in any part of our country.


A public British government declaration of intent to withdraw from Ireland is a necessary first step to creating the conditions within which all of the Irish people can begin the process of building a New Ireland based on the principles of All-Ireland democracy as set out in Republican Sinn Féin’s ÉIRE NUA programme.


Republican Sinn Féin will be holding a picket to oppose the presence of the two British warships on the quay in Waterford between 2pm and 3.30pm on Sunday October 14.


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[JPL]

I'm working tomorrow - I'd pop down for a look otherwise.

[Daithí]

Good luck with this.

[scarface]

Just back from the picket it went very well there was a good response from the public

[Daithí]

Well done.

[Diarmuid]

I don't have a problem with this. Displays for historical purposes are fine IMO. Why worry about stuff like this when there is a very real constitutional abomination in the north?

[scarface]

I don't have a problem with this. Displays for historical purposes are fine IMO. Why worry about stuff like this when there is a very real constitutional abomination in the north?

they are a part of a force that occupies part of our country it's damn well not fine and whats the 'constitutional abomination' IMO stormont is a abomination

[Diarmuid]

they are a part of a force that occupies part of our country it's damn well not fine and whats the 'constitutional abomination' IMO stormont is a abomination

That may be so as far as the occupying force goes, but cooperation between jurisdictions is what will end the partition IMO.

[scarface]

That may be so, but cooperation between jurisdictions is what will end the partition IMO.

how exactly? this 'cooperation' is simply the solidifying of relations between two seperate states in order to normalise partition and it's because of the actions of all parties involved

[Diarmuid]

how exactly? this 'cooperation' is simply the solidifying of relations between two seperate states in order to normalise partition and it's because of the actions of all parties involved

I don't believe it's seeking to 'normalise' partition... they were instrumental in bringing unionist types to the table. The way the law existed, there was no call whatsoever for unionists to cooperate at all. The situation once allowed rejectionist institutions.

Sure they could legislate to accede six county sovereignty to Dublin but all you'll get is scummy Loyalists picking up their fight against republicans and killing kids. Do we want that? What we need to do is get them to destroy their weapons, shut them up and and make them irrelevant by taking forward a political strategy for reunification.

[scarface]

I don't believe it's seeking to 'normalise' partition... they were instrumental in bringing unionist types to the table. The way the law existed, there was no call whatsoever for unionists to cooperate at all. The situation once allowed rejectionist institutions.

Sure they could legislate to accede six county sovereignty to Dublin but all you'll get is scummy Loyalists picking up their fight against republicans and killing kids. Do we want that? What we need to do is get them to destroy their weapons, shut them up and and make them irrelevant by taking forward a political strategy for reunification.

well first of all the goal for republicans is not to have a 32 county free state it's to achieve a 32 county republic and are you saying that we should accept stormont and all the other compromises because the loyalists might kill people?

[Diarmuid]

well first of all the goal for republicans is not to have a 32 county free state it's to achieve a 32 county republic and are you saying that we should accept stormont and all the other compromises because the loyalists might kill people?

We should accept Stormont regardless because republicans have proportional representation and a proportional say for the first time in history. This was a good element of the civil rights movement in the 60's that led to the troubles. The ultimate aim is a 32 county republic but we shouldn't underestimate the importance of an assembly that has a say despite not being the majority in the statelet.

With regards to Loyalists, that was in reference to Britain making a sudden move to accede the six counties to Dublin.

[Carlos McJackle]

[QUOTE]We should accept Stormont regardless because republicans have proportional representation and a proportional say for the first time in history.

No we dont . The vast majority of the Irish population does not come under stormont jurisdiction , therefore representation is disproportionate within a British statelet . Unionists are a minority in Ireland , their political say and veto is wholly disproportionate to their numbers .

This was a good element of the civil rights movement in the 60's that led to the troubles.

what led to the troubles was the decision by republicans to ignore the civil rights movement and tell Britian to feck off and stick their concessions

the civil rights movement which campaigned for equal British citizenship was patently not a republican organisation .

The ultimate aim is a 32 county republic but ...

nuff said

[Diarmuid]

I agree with your sentiments, although as long as the Brits have the north on paper, any forced democracy, perceived or otherwise, within the statelet is to be welcomed. Up until recently there was no democracy at all, unionist dominated institutions ran the statelet.

Stormont is not our ultimate aim by a long shot but it's a step up from where things were at.

[JPL]

No we dont . The vast majority of the Irish population does not come under stormont jurisdiction , therefore representation is disproportionate within a British statelet . Unionists are a minority in Ireland , their political say and veto is wholly disproportionate to their numbers .

I agree with this.

[Irish Republican Patriot]

Forgive me, but to be brutally honest, I think I would ultimately be willing to sign up to the maxim: "the only good 'Loyalist' is a dead one".

[Michael]

Forgive me, but to be brutally honest, I think I would ultimately be willing to sign up to the maxim: "the only good 'Loyalist' is a dead one".

Let's say you are a leader of a party that is in power of a United Ireland tomorrow. What would your action be in regards to Unionists and Loyalists?

[JPL]

Forgive me, but to be brutally honest, I think I would ultimately be willing to sign up to the maxim: "the only good 'Loyalist' is a dead one".

I've a few friends who are loyalists and I'm highly worried about your trends on this forum. Not all loyalists are bad people. They are just brought up with beliefs that differ to our own. One of these said loyalists collected me in Belfast station and let me stay at his house for a week while I trained with him. We threw friendly jibes back and forth at each other - but all in all he was a good guy.

In summary, you need to get your head checked man. Somebody has been seriously molding your way of thinking.

[Irish Republican Patriot]

Forgive me, forgive me. I should have made myself clearer. I was talking about your die-hards, your nevurr-evurrs, your seriously dangerous people, your Michael Stone's, Billy Wrights, Lenny Murphy's etc. I was really not talking about your average Shankill resident, honest to God, but I will understand if that comes as scarce consolation.

[JPL]

Your original post in no way indicates that. But if you say so :)

[Irish Republican Patriot]

I just hope not to be regarded by you as a murderous madman.

[JPL]

I don't, but I do think you're a little misguided a chara. Someone has been putting some stupid **** in your head. It's not only this post, but a few others. I think your heart is in the right place, but your methods are outlandish.

[Diarmuid]

Forgive me, but to be brutally honest, I think I would ultimately be willing to sign up to the maxim: "the only good 'Loyalist' is a dead one".

And tonight we're gonna party like it's 1699