whos supports the RSF?

[ciaranxavier]

i was just wondering what kind of support us RSF's have on the board. say a word or two if your a supporter.

:horse:

[scarface]

i'm here:eusa_dance:

[Cael]

Anseo!

[Erin_go_bragh]

Do we have a tumble weed smiliy daithi?

[scarface]

no we don't thank you

[Vox Populi]

Used to support Republican Sinn Féin a few years ago. Would still buy Saoirse and call into the offices in Dublin and Belfast regularly.

[scarface]

Used to support Republican Sinn Féin a few years ago. Would still buy Saoirse and call into the offices in Dublin and Belfast regularly.

Jesus that's a surprise considering the attitude of some IRSP people towards RSF

[ciaranxavier]

Do we have a tumble weed smiliy daithi?

this isnt for trash talking just for us to gather

[Daithí]

Jesus that's a surprise considering the attitude of some IRSP people towards RSF

Pinch of salt a chara.

[Vox Populi]

Jesus that's a surprise considering the attitude of some IRSP people towards RSF
Not quite true a chara. There's a good relationship with the grassroots of both on the ground in Dublin and other places.

[Seabird]

Erin_go_bragh,

Do we have a tumble weed smiliy daithi?

OMG you gave me a good laugh today.:icon_laugh:

ciaran,

Oh lighten up, as many shinner threads disrupted by yous give us this one.:icon_lol:

[Kat]

I am proud to support RSF:hooray:

[ciaranxavier]

Erin_go_bragh,



OMG you gave me a good laugh today.:icon_laugh:

ciaran,

Oh lighten up, as many shinner threads disrupted by yous give us this one.:icon_lol:

it was late at night the suns come up now.

[belfastcentral]

I'd give RSF more time than any of the other groups

heres some places i have created to get the information out to all different groups of people,

http://RepublicanSinnFein.blogspot.com
http://www.bebo.com/RepublicanSinnFein
http://www.youtube.com/RepublicanSinnFein
http://www.myspace.com/eirenua

[Dílseacht]

I do and i am a member!!!!

[ciaranxavier]

good to have a card toting member

[scarface]

good to have a card toting member

i am also a member

[Craobh Gal Gréine]

i am also a member


RSF must be commended for standing so staunchly behind the 2nd Dáil and refusing to enter Leinster House.

[scarface]

RSF must be commemorated for standing so staunchly behind the 2nd Dáil and refusing to enter Leinster House.

we are not dead!! i think you were looking for the word commended

[Craobh Gal Gréine]

we are not dead!! i think you were looking for the word commended


Indeed I was. Duly edited.

[MartinP]

I'm a follower also.

[eddiebhoy07]

i'm a follower

[Seamus]

I am an RSF activist and respect it for being consistently principled in relation to republicanism and for embracing socialism without falling into the economist trap of the ulta left. It frustrates me that our views are often misrepresented and would encourage people to read Eire Nua and Saol Nua for an appreciation of our democratic socialist anlaysis and policies.

[quirk]

without falling into the economist trap of the ulta left.

What exactly do you mean here?

[Seamus]

Quirk, the ultra left limit the struggle to what goes on at the point of production on the factory floor, i.e. bread and butter issues. Lenin recognised the primacy of politics over economism which in the context of an oppressed nation suffering from colonial rule means the need to confront imperialism by resolving the national and democratic tasks of the struggle. In the context of Ireland this means achieving national unity and independence as a prerequisite to advancing to the struggle for the socialist republic. The ultra left play down the role of British imperialism let alone the need to confront it, and treat the Border as if it were a mirage. It is no wonder Trotskyist groups like the SWP and the Socialist Party have discredited Marxism in Ireland.

[mickyk200]

Sínn Fein
IRSP
then RSF as a last resort, I don't see how not taking your seat in Stormont helps the cause! It's 2007 we're past all that bull**** now...

[quirk]

Sínn Fein
IRSP
then RSF as a last resort, I don't see how not taking your seat in Stormont helps the cause! It's 2007 we're past all that bull**** now...

How does taking your seat in Stormont further the cause then?

[mickyk200]

The nationalist people will have a voice that's how.
Back in the old days of unionist rule, we protested and rallied and died so we could simply vote in local elections. Now we can actually get elected in national elections and you don't even take your seats!
"Republican" Sínn Fein will get nowhere if there only election promise is not to take their seat. If they want to "smash stormont"(I find it ironic they use a PD slogan btw) or "reject the RUC/PSNI" take your seat and try to change it!

[quirk]

The nationalist people will have a voice that's how.
Back in the old days of unionist rule, we protested and rallied and died so we could simply vote in local elections. Now we can actually get elected in national elections and you don't even take your seats!
"Republican" Sínn Fein will get nowhere if there only election promise is not to take their seat. If they want to "smash stormont"(I find it ironic they use a PD slogan btw) or "reject the RUC/PSNI" take your seat and try to change it!

But the cause is a 32 county Irish Republic not giving nationalists a voice in a six county state. So again how will the cause be advanced by participation in Stormont?

[mickyk200]

I'll answer your question with a question, I know it's annoying but still...
How does letting other people set your legislation for you help you rule yourself?

[quirk]

I'll answer your question with a question, I know it's annoying but still...
How does letting other people set your legislation for you help you rule yourself?

It doesn't. Who has the ultimate and final say on all legislation i.e. who is the sovereign authority?

[mickyk200]

As we are a devolved statelet we do. Except on things like nuclear power and taxation that's left to westminister obviously.

[quirk]

Westminster has ultimate say. Its legislation over rules anything here. But even at that my question remains unanswered: How does sitting in Stormont lead to a united Ireland?

[mickyk200]

One step at a time...we will get our way on more and more issues.
I'll give you an example, when Sínn Fein first ran for election in the north, before the Ard Fheis and the split, the DUP wouldn't have talked, looked at or sat in the same room as Sínn Féin. Now he has to and the unionists are torn on the issue, strengthening the republican movement as a whole.
There's never going to be a random referendum on unity, it's with slow tactical moves like that that we will gain a 32 county soverign state.
Now, Westminster does not decide everything for us. End to direct rule and a start to devolution, the right to self-government. Hardly a subsitute to freedom but it brings us that wee bit closer.

[Pádraig Mac Piarais]

You do know that the Nationalist Party formed the official opposition in Stormont since the inception of the Northern statelet until the 1970s? The SDLP would also have done the same if there had been a functioning Stormont on a consistent basis. Irish nationalists have always had representation in British parliaments. This, however, has nothing to do with Republicanism. Republicans didn't kill and maim hundreds to 'get one up on the Orangies', despite what Adams and his ilk may tell you.

[mickyk200]

You do know that the Nationalist Party formed the official opposition in Stormont since the inception of the Northern statelet until the 1970s? The SDLP would also have done the same if there had been a functioning Stormont on a consistent basis. Irish nationalists have always had representation in British parliaments. This, however, has nothing to do with Republicanism. Republicans didn't kill and maim hundreds to 'get one up on the Orangies', despite what Adams and his ilk may tell you.
The nationalist party developed a reputation for being heavily disorganised and being little more than a collection of elected members with their own local machines, it only ever attarcted non-aligned republicans. After it merged with the Irish Idependence party it faded away.
Sure Eddie McAteer lost his seat to John Hume, proof that the nationalist people are not militants by default.

[Pádraig Mac Piarais]

Hardly a subsitute to freedom but it brings us that wee bit closer.


How?

[mickyk200]

How?
we have more say, we have more power to govern ourselves. I thought that would have been obvious.

[Pádraig Mac Piarais]

we have more say, we have more power to govern ourselves. I thought that would have been obvious.


But the British government (who are not in any way accountable to the Irish electorate) controls the military, policing and the judicial system. It also controls the economy and the resources of the 6 county state. In short; it has complete sovereignty over part of the national territory, and no one (bar Republican separatists) is challenging this claim to sovereignty.

[mickyk200]

But the British government (who are not in any way accountable to the Irish electorate) controls the military, policing and the judicial system. It also controls the economy and the resources of the 6 county state. In short; it has complete sovereignty over part of the national territory, and no one (bar Republican separatists) is challenging this claim to sovereignty.
The Northern Ireland assembly has powers over agriculture and Rural Development ,Culture, Arts and Leisure ,Education ,Employment and Learning ,Enterprise, Trade and Investment ,Environment ,Finance and Personnel ,Health, Social Services and Public Safety ,Regional Development and Social Development. Are you telling me this is worse than Direct Rule?
By the way, what do you mean by "challenge"? Politically or from a military aspect?

[scarface]

The Northern Ireland assembly has powers over agriculture and Rural Development ,Culture, Arts and Leisure ,Education ,Employment and Learning ,Enterprise, Trade and Investment ,Environment ,Finance and Personnel ,Health, Social Services and Public Safety ,Regional Development and Social Development. Are you telling me this is worse than Direct Rule?
By the way, what do you mean by "challenge"? Politically or from a military aspect?

oh well that's what all the volunteers died for was'nt it? and the brits control the finances of the 6 county statelet and without brit money the statelet would collapse

[mickyk200]

They died for equality, not nessarcy a republic.

[scarface]

They died for equality, not nessarcy a republic.

they did not die for equality that is a total lie

[Nijinsky]

They died for equality, not nessarcy a republic.


Thats total bullsh*t

[Jerry_Corneilus]

What exactly do you mean here?



What he means is RSF being a kulak party which embraces corportism/distrubutism as a means of letting their historically agrarian membership keep the family farm come the revolution.

[Pádraig Mac Piarais]

They died for equality, not nessarcy a republic.


Equality in the sense that Ireland should be equal to other nations and have its sovereignty respected, but I know that's not the kind you mean. You're talking out your arse like a lot of people on this site.

[mickyk200]

Equality in the sense that Ireland should be equal to other nations and have its sovereignty respected, but I know that's not the kind you mean. You're talking out your arse like a lot of people on this site.
They died trying to achieve a united Ireland, I see what you mean. But what we got instead was equality for the catholic people of the north. Look at the the 6 counties before the civil rights movement or 1969, before the IRA gained any real momemtum.
The point I'm trying to make is sitting on your hands politically, will not help the cause!

[Pádraig Mac Piarais]

Who's sitting on their hands? I wasn't aware that this was all some sort of lottery or raffle where we bided for sovereignty but instead ended up with improved rights for Catholics (which would have come if Sunningdale had been accepted). The British have no intention of leaving Ireland. It's the classic 'carrot & stick' tactic which they have always employed; we had a 35 or so yr spell of coercion and now we've had a decade and a bit of compromise. How you think improved rights for Roman Catholics is going to undermine the British presence in Ireland I will never understand.

[mickyk200]

No, the point I am trying to make is that those who died in the armed struggle did not die for nothing!

[FreeDerry81]

Preferred Party: Provisional Sínn Féin and IRSP
:confused:

[Liam Lynch]

They died for equality, not nessarcy a republic.

And I suppose the hunger strikers died for the five demands, not necessarily a republic? Revisionism at its worse.

[Pádraig Mac Piarais]

No, the point I am trying to make is that those who died in the armed struggle did not die for nothing!


Current PSF policy would suggest they did.

[mickyk200]

Current PSF policy would suggest they did.
That would be your typical RSF opinion, that is the propaganda your party are fuelled on! Except you have very little real support, you just manage to waste half a dozen votes. . .

[MartinP]

He supports the 32CSM by the looks of things. You seem to support two different organisations with often conflicting agendas and outlooks.

[FreeDerry81]

That would be your typical RSF opinion, that is the propaganda your party are fuelled on! Except you have very little real support, you just manage to waste half a dozen votes. . .

p.sinn fein waste a lot of votes as well son. Why is it when p.sinn fein refer to armed actions they always bring support into it. Did the men & women of 1916 have much support? no, they were spat upon nobody had really taken them seriously, look at them now. They still fought for what they believed in. Will the people who use physical force against an illegal occupation now at present be looked back upon in years to come as 'dissidents' and 'dissenter's i dont think so.

[Bear]

Then explain to me why the rights of our current prisoners are gone, the rights that were hard won by men dying?

[Mellows1922]

p.sinn fein waste a lot of votes as well son. Why is it when p.sinn fein refer to armed actions they always bring support into it. Did the men & women of 1916 have much support? no, they were spat upon nobody had really taken them seriously, look at them now. They still fought for what they believed in. Will the people who use physical force against an illegal occupation now at present be looked back upon in years to come as 'dissidents' and 'dissenter's i dont think so.

When Sinn Fein talk about support for armed actions they are speaking about the Republican people, as well as the Nationalist people and broader community.

The broader Nationalist community have never supported armed resistance, the Republican people have. The majority of the Republican people do not at this point, that is where there is no support, within the Republican community. If you have little or no support in your own community then you have little or no support.

The IRA had the support of the Republican community.

Those currently attempting to involve themselves in conflict do not.

As for how history will show those who have strayed from the Sinn Fein path, probably as insignificant I would think.

RSF have been on the outside for twenty years now, their contribution to the history books is essentially zero.

The 32CSM have been on the outside for ten years now, is their contribution to the struggle any more significant ?

[scarface]

When Sinn Fein talk about support for armed actions they are speaking about the Republican people, as well as the Nationalist people and broader community.

The broader Nationalist community have never supported armed resistance, the Republican people have. The majority of the Republican people do not at this point, that is where there is no support, within the Republican community. If you have little or no support in your own community then you have little or no support.

The IRA had the support of the Republican community.

Those currently attempting to involve themselves in conflict do not.

As for how history will show those who have strayed from the Sinn Fein path, probably as insignificant I would think.

RSF have been on the outside for twenty years now, their contribution to the history books is essentially zero.

The 32CSM have been on the outside for ten years now, is their contribution to the struggle any more significant ?

aye your party will go down in history alright the same way michael collins's party did

[RDX]

I support RSF and the rest of the Republican Movement.

[ciaranxavier]

I support RSF and the rest of the Republican Movement.

welcome welcome....:eusa_clap:

[RDX]

They died for equality, not nessarcy a republic.

Here we see the worst, most egregious, most slanderous of all the revisionist rubbish, typical of a member/supporter of the Provisionals.
You should hang your head in shame, but judging from your posts, shame is something you are sorely lacking.

[mickyk200]

Here we see the worst, most egregious, most slanderous of all the revisionist rubbish, typical of a member/supporter of the Provisionals.
You should hang your head in shame, but judging from your posts, shame is something you are sorely lacking.
They didn't fight for equality, that's just what we ended up with. I'm not trying to say it was some sort of raffle...
The Troubles were a stalemate anyway, if the armed struggle continued then more people would have died and we would have made no progress.

[Liam Lynch]

They didn't fight for equality, that's just what we ended up with. I'm not trying to say it was some sort of raffle...
The Troubles were a stalemate anyway, if the armed struggle continued then more people would have died and we would have made no progress.

Actually Adams stated that the armed struggle was for civil rights in arecent interview with Nick Statlen.

[quirk]

Actually Adams stated that the armed struggle was for civil rights in arecent interview with Nick Statlen.

Is this article available online?

[mickyk200]

Is this article available online?
Part of the struggle was to do with civil rights.
Take Bloody Sunday and Internement, such acts of disregard for the welfare of nationalist people encouraged young men and women to join the PIRA. And following these events PIRA recruitment mushroomed.

[quirk]

Part of the struggle was to do with civil rights.
Take Bloody Sunday and Internement, such acts of disregard for the welfare of nationalist people encouraged young men and women to join the PIRA. And following these events PIRA recruitment mushroomed.

While they did help in relation to why people might have joined that was never an objective of the IRA. Their objectives can be read in the green book and no where does it talk of civil rights as far as I am aware.

[mickyk200]

While they did help in relation to why people might have joined that was never an objective of the IRA. Their objectives can be read in the green book and no where does it talk of civil rights as far as I am aware.
Commitment to the Republican Movement is the firm belief that its struggle both military and political is morally justified, that war is morally justified and that the Army is the direct representative of the 1918 Dail Éireann Parliament, and that as such they are the legal and lawful government of the Irish Republic, which has the moral right to pass laws for, and to claim jurisdiction over the territory, air space, mineral resources, means of production, distribution and exchange and all of its people regardless of creed or loyalty."
IRA Green Book...
I'll draw your attention to the last point

[Liam Lynch]

Is this article available online?


Its here, amazing reading.

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/podcasts/story/0,,2166144,00.html

[Pádraig Mac Piarais]

I'll draw your attention to the last point


What about it? I often avoid using 'The Troubles' to describe the 1969 - 1997 period as such isolation is how people get away with claiming the IRA campaign during those years was for improved rights for Roman Catholics and not to do with the territorial dispute. Trying to disrupt continuity between historical events and the present day is a tactic often favoured by the revisionist and the reformist.

[Pádraig Mac Piarais]

Its here, amazing reading.


Quite.

Now if you ask me: "Would it have been better that a gradualist approach had been taken in '74, that there had been some other initiative taken?", it just isn't possible to answer that question because, again, dealing with the reality at that time, British policy was about repressing republicanism; British policy in the last decade, or so, has been about trying to find some accommodation with republicanism. And that is the part of the jigsaw which allowed and which created the space for the type of compromises which underpin the Good Friday agreement.


In other words; if he answers that question honestly he'll expose the fallacy that the GFA is some sort of victory. Earlier in the interview he admits to have been fostering this 'peace strategy' (basically; undermining the Republican struggle) from as early as 1976 or 1977. British policy is still about suppressing Republicanism, and anyone who claims otherwise is just wrong; plain and simple. What do Shinners on here make of these admissions of Adams'? Probably lap it up like everything else he spews out.

[mickyk200]

What about it? I often avoid using 'The Troubles' to describe the 1969 - 1997 period as such isolation is how people get away with claiming the IRA campaign during those years was for improved rights for Roman Catholics and not to do with the territorial dispute. Trying to disrupt continuity between historical events and the present day is a tactic often favoured by the revisionist and the reformist.
Yea, I know. That was the point I was trying to make to quirk.

[Pádraig Mac Piarais]

Earlier in this thread you said the Anglo-Irish conflict was over civil rights, now you recognise it's over sovereignty. What?

[mickyk200]

Earlier in this thread you said the Anglo-Irish conflict was over civil rights, now you recognise it's over sovereignty. What?
Of course I know it was over soverignity I'm not a blithering idoit(despite your own opinion)
I was simply making the point that the was more to the Troubles than the Union and whether or not to break it. While the struggle towards a united Ireland was at the forefront, civil rights, economics, discrimination in local government, soco-economic issues all came into play as well.

[ciaranxavier]

this is a hello thread not a debate thread...

[Pádraig Mac Piarais]

this is a hello thread not a debate thread...


Hello. :wave:

[Ghostface]

I support the RSF.

[ciaranxavier]

Hello. :wave:

hello everyone.

[Rory O'Connor]

I support the RSF.

Your Prefferd Party says that you support "any republican group that still has and uses their guns."

[communitarian]

Dia daoibh...

Tugaim tacaíocht do Sinn Féin (Poblachtach)

leanúnachas gan bhriseadh

[kev86]

Just joined from UTR,good to see so many current and former members of UTR on here.

I support RSF and am also a member.

[mickyk200]

Just joined from UTR,good to see so many current and former members of UTR on here.

I support RSF and am also a member.
BLEH!

[kev86]

BLEH!


:icon_rolleyes:

[ANE32]

Am not with any party,too many rules! but I support them on a lot of issues and would buy Saoirse as I do An Phobalacht!:hmmm:

[rsfcork]

I am a member.

[Na Fianna Éireann]

There is a lot of duel membership between our youth group and RSF.

I think that we get on very well. Hope our RSF comrades on this yoke think so too!

[scarface]

There is a lot of duel membership between our youth group and RSF.

I think that we get on very well. Hope our RSF comrades on this yoke think so too!

ah of course we do one big happy family;)

[Na Fianna Éireann]

ah of course we do one big happy family;)

Good to hear a chara!
:)

[The Countess]

Although raised in a PSF family I was taught from a young age the republican and socialist principles and values of RSF and to admire and respect Ruairí Óg Ó Brádaigh and the wider party.

I suppose it was a family tradition that kept us tied to PSF. That 'tie' however has long since been broken and I'm ashamed of SF and their behaviour. Never have I seen a party swing from so far left to right in such a such space of time. I respect individual members of SF and the sacrifices they've made but the wider party is a disgrace to everything I thought it stood for.

Not an activist of RSF, but a supporter nonetheless. I hope it continues to grow.

[cdj]

much the same with me . come from a very old and active republican family in the leinster area . the family elders withdrew support for the Adams direction in 1986 and others within my family and relations done the same over the following years. All now support O'Bradaigh , and all still remain active.

[mickyk200]

much the same with me . come from a very old and active republican family in the leinster area . the family elders withdrew support for the Adams direction in 1986 and others within my family and relations done the same over the following years. All now support O'Bradaigh , and all still remain active.
The family elders?
Yes, we must consult the council of elders on our political status...oh wise elders what is your opinion of the 1986 Ard Fheis?

[Murney]

could someone please explain to me the difference between RSF and 32CSM and likewise CIRA and RIRA

[mickyk200]

could someone please explain to me the difference between RSF and 32CSM and likewise CIRA and RIRA
RSF was formed after a split with PSF in 1986 at the Ard Fheis and the CIRA spilt with the PIRA at the same time becoming RSF's military wing.
I'm not too sure of the orgins of the 32CSM but they were formed at the same time as the RIRA in oppostion to the good friday agreement. They agree on most principles to the best of my knowledge.

[Ernie O'Malley]

Murny Someone from RSF may be better at explaining this lol its open to interpretation lol

[mickyk200]

Murny Someone from RSF may be better at explaining this lol its open to interpretation lol
there's your basic profile of both organizations. . .
hardly indepth but I'm too lazy to go into the details

[Murney]

Im aware of their history and how they were formed i was just wondering if someone could explain any major differences between them

[Tir Eoghain]

Im aware of their history and how they were formed i was just wondering if someone could explain any major differences between them Mostly their ego IMHO, RSF see themselves as the only True Republicans. Every other group doesn't even come a close second to them.

[The Countess]

Mostly their ego IMHO, RSF see themselves as the only True Republicans. Every other group doesn't even come a close second to them.

Ego!! :icon_laugh: You're 100% right I suppose - never looked at it like that

[mickyk200]

Mostly their ego IMHO, RSF see themselves as the only True Republicans. Every other group doesn't even come a close second to them.
In f*ckin one mo chara!
I'll give the RIRA this...they don't claim to be the only republican group

[The Countess]

Tir Eoghain didnt say they claimed to be the only Republican group Micky. S/he said they believe they're the only true republicans. Which they do.

[mickyk200]

Tir Eoghain didnt say they claimed to be the only Republican group Micky. S/he said they believe they're the only true republicans. Which they do.
Yea but they claim sinn fein aren't republicans anymore and that they are like some form of unionism...
ya know what I mean...

[kev86]

RSF was formed after a split with PSF in 1986 at the Ard Fheis and the CIRA spilt with the PIRA at the same time becoming RSF's military wing.
I'm not too sure of the orgins of the 32CSM but they were formed at the same time as the RIRA in oppostion to the good friday agreement. They agree on most principles to the best of my knowledge.


Actually the provos left the republican movement in 86,the CIRA are the true IRA,and RSF are the true Sinn Fein, ego has nothing to do with it. historical facts are what matters,And yes the provisionals are no longer republicans nothing they do or say is republican anymore and hasnt been for a long long time !!. We do not deny that other groups are republicans, we just dont see them as the republican movement.

The reals broke from the provos in dec 97 and formed the 32s/RIRA.

[mickyk200]

Actually the provos left the republican movement in 86,the CIRA are the true IRA,and RSF are the true Sinn Fein
A bit self-rightous isn't it?
so by your logic 50-60% of the people on this forum shouldn't be?

[kev86]

A bit self-rightous isn't it?
so by your logic 50-60% of the people on this forum shouldn't be?

Why should they not be here?

[kev86]

and its only 40%

[mickyk200]

Why should they not be here?
well I am a sinn fein supporter...you would reakon I am not a republican
there are around 50-60% (whatever, the majority anyway)on this site who share my opinion...so all thouse users arent republicans so shouldn't be on this site as it is a republican forum?

[kev86]

well I am a sinn fein supporter...you would reakon I am not a republican
there are around 50-60% (whatever, the majority anyway)on this site who share my opinion...so all thouse users arent republicans so shouldn't be on this site as it is a republican forum?


40% is not a majority , and they can be here if they want,nationalists should not be banned from republican sites, i beleive that you are just all miss guided and blindly follow the adam/mcguiness leadership ,i personally have nothing against any shinner,i just strongly disagree with ur politics.

I beleive that many grassroots psf supporters are republicans but are just to loyal to the currant leadership to leave . follow the cause not the man!.

[mickyk200]

40% is not a majority , and they can be here if they want,nationalists should not be banned from republican sites, i beleive that you are just all miss guided and blindly follow the adam/mcguiness leadership ,i personally have nothing against any shinner,i just strongly disagree with ur politics.

I beleive that many grassroots psf supporters are republicans but are just to loyal to the currant leadership to leave . follow the cause not the man!.
Well I have studied both cases..I chose SF myself, my family are not strongly republican by any sense, so it's not bred into me.
PS. The cause doesn't mean randomly planting bombs in your own estates it means devoting you life to acheiving unity...

[kev86]

Well I have studied both cases..I chose SF myself, my family are not strongly republican by any sense, so it's not bred into me.
PS. The cause doesn't mean randomly planting bombs in your own estates it means devoting you life to acheiving unity...


I respect everyones opinion,i just disagree with urs and the other shinners mate.

And who said the cause is about planting bombs in our own estates? and do you HONESTLY think we will acheive a united Ireland thro stormont ?

[mickyk200]

I respect everyones opinion,i just disagree with urs and the other shinners mate.

And who said the cause is about planting bombs in our own estates? and do you HONESTLY think we will acheive a united Ireland thro stormont ?
Nope, Stormont will make life more comfortable for us here.
The last nail in the coffin of British impearlism in Ireland will be hammered in with the butt of a gun, but not in 2007. There are lulls of peace and conflict through the struggle towards complete independence.
Tell me this...do you know why the Boarder campaign failed?

[quirk]

Nope, Stormont will make life more comfortable for us here.
The last nail in the coffin of British impearlism in Ireland will be hammered in with the butt of a gun, but not in 2007. There are lulls of peace and conflict through the struggle towards complete independence.
Tell me this...do you know why the Boarder campaign failed?

Certainly not the belief of Sinn Fein.

[kev86]

Nope, Stormont will make life more comfortable for us here.
The last nail in the coffin of British impearlism in Ireland will be hammered in with the butt of a gun, but not in 2007. There are lulls of peace and conflict through the struggle towards complete independence.
Tell me this...do you know why the Boarder campaign failed?

indeed that is not the veiw of the provisionals,and the main reason the border campaign failed was because of the lack of popular support for the attacks at the time.did that make it wrong ? NO!

The 1916 rising did not have popular support either so does that make those men and women wrong ?
NO it doesnt,likewise the IRA during the recent phase of the war did not have a majority support so did that make them wrong NO!

And the IRA now does not have popular support does that make them wrong? NO it does not !

[Ghostface]

I second the sentiment kev86. I support the RSF 100%.

[HimThere]

im a rsf supporter but im also a supporter of strength in unity and believe all republicans should unite.

to have a united Ireland the people of Ireland should unite

[ciaranxavier]

im a rsf supporter but im also a supporter of strength in unity and believe all republicans should unite.

to have a united Ireland the people of Ireland should unite

:eusa_clap: wont happen on this board though. :icon_laugh:

[mickyk200]

indeed that is not the veiw of the provisionals,and the main reason the border campaign failed was because of the lack of popular support for the attacks at the time.did that make it wrong ? NO!

The 1916 rising did not have popular support either so does that make those men and women wrong ?
NO it doesnt,likewise the IRA during the recent phase of the war did not have a majority support so did that make them wrong NO!

And the IRA now does not have popular support does that make them wrong? NO it does not !
It must be marvellous for you to be able to tell people their opinions...I'll tell you what I believe not the other way round.

[ciaranxavier]

It must be marvellous for you to be able to tell people their opinions...I'll tell you what I believe not the other way round.

he was telling you what he believes whats wrong with that your allowed to but when he does it he cant?

[mickyk200]

he was telling you what he believes whats wrong with that your allowed to but when he does it he cant?
He is attempting to tell me what I said I believe as a PSF supporter was wrong then tried to tell me what I actually believe... Read that comment again

[rsfarmagh/keady]

REPUBLICAN SINN FEIN all the way 100%
www.freewebs.com/rsfarmaghkeady
(sorry i should read it before i post it )