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conghaileach
10-24-2007, 11:02 PM
From Slugger (http://sluggerotoole.com/index.php/weblog/comments/exclusive-sinn-fein-councillor-suspended-without-prejudice/):

Slugger understands that Fermanagh Sinn Fein Councillor Bernice Swift has been suspended from the party ‘without prejudice pending review’. Ms Swift’s offence? It would appear speaking out against the party line (http://sluggerotoole.com/index.php/weblog/comments/at-best-they-will-be-meaningless-talking-shops/) on policing and District Police Partnerships. Pete blogged her fairly cogent arguments, originally carried in the Impartial Reporter, earlier in the month:

The DPPs possess significantly less influence than the limited powers of the policing board. The Patten recommendations, (and indeed subsequent similar legislation), states that the views of the DPPs would only be ‘taken fully into account’ by the police and it also makes clear that these bodies would have no power to investigate police activities or to approve policing plans for their areas?

The lack of powers possessed by these boards and sub boards means that meaningful control and accountability by the community is impossible, as the control and accountability mechanisms rest elsewhere. These accountability mechanisms may have been tweaked recently but it is quite clear to me that such activist as those of MI5 will not be subject to any interference from these boards.


This interesting for a number of reasons. It is absolutely true that political parties are in effect collective enterprises all be it made up from lots of different minded individuals. They have a right to expect members to toe the line. The trouble here is that Ms Swift’s arguments reflect the feelings of those in other parties and are borne out by the fact that DDPs have struggled to retain the interest and enthusiasm of represents from as far apart as Fermanagh and North Down. Though Ms Swift’s arguments take a much wider purview than the usual grumblings about DPPs just being ‘pointless talking shops’.

That her remarks have warranted such a censorious response may be because her critique goes to the heart of misgivings shared by a lot of people in Republican heartlands: that the deal brought Sinn Fein back from St Andrews was no better, and indeed possibly a good deal worse than the previous deal the party so heavily criticised the SDLP for, which at least gave local politicians some sense of what the Intelligence Services might be up to.

What should worry insiders is the potential loss of a talented local councillor. No party (on any of these islands) is so awash with talent that it can let go of its best people cheaply. Indeed, as last week’s poorly managed parliamentary attack (http://sluggerotoole.com/index.php/weblog/comments/did-ritchie-sell-the-dup-uup-and-sinn-fein-a-dummy/) and the disappointing performance of some of its key Ministers demonstrates, such top down micro management of dissent is not necessarily the best way to build up a coalition of talent, never mind a new generation of leaders.

As one commentator suggested to Slugger, it is as though the party has no coping mechanism to help it manage the enormous changes it’s going through.

Erin_go_bragh
10-24-2007, 11:08 PM
Well, if they have no say in local policing plans, what are DPPs for then?

conghaileach
10-24-2007, 11:12 PM
Like the Policing Board, they seem to exist for the cops to tell them what they've already done and are going to do, and apparently to rubber stamp police actions.

The thing with Bernice as well is that she heads up a local collusion campaigns group in Fermanagh, and of course she does a lot of work with the families of victims of state violence.

Erin_go_bragh
10-24-2007, 11:20 PM
This isnt the first time Ive read and heard about people facing party action for speaking out against the party line. I think the whole policing situation needs to beed re evaluated. If you cannot hold anyone to account whats the point in participation?

duggie-89
10-24-2007, 11:21 PM
This isnt the first time Ive read and heard about people facing party action for speaking out against the party line. I think the whole policing situation needs to beed re evaluated. If you cannot hold anyone to account whats the point in participation?


i agree whole heartly

Mellows1922
10-24-2007, 11:26 PM
This isnt the first time Ive read and heard about people facing party action for speaking out against the party line. ?

This is not something unique to Sinn Fein, there are plenty of mechanisms to bring up issues internally.

Erin_go_bragh
10-24-2007, 11:36 PM
This is not something unique to Sinn Fein, there are plenty of mechanisms to bring up issues internally.

Yeah, I suppose that would be a better route to take rather than publically speaking out which could be potentially damaging for party. How do you feel about the DPPs yourself? Aside from knowing what's going on with the PSNI in certain areas what else is to be gained?

Seabird
10-25-2007, 01:37 AM
Please move this thread to the shinner section thanks

duggie-89
10-25-2007, 08:33 AM
i think that the DPP is good enoungh in the sense that we can then make it public wat th peelers are doin and thats the main power in my opinion but if there wqas more power til the DPP then the better but at da moment i think there needs to be more talk about it and measures to take more control.

Dílseacht
10-25-2007, 09:41 PM
Bernice has been raising objections to certain things for some time now in Fermanagh. Her da refused point blank to canvass for Sinn Fein in the last elections and she herself only reluctantly went out the odd night.

Nijinsky
10-25-2007, 09:52 PM
Bernice has been raising objections to certain things for some time now in Fermanagh. Her da refused point blank to canvass for Sinn Fein in the last elections and she herself only reluctantly went out the odd night.

Thats actually not true. I know Bernice very well as well as her father. Bernice worked non stop in the last 6 county elections for SF and also spent virtually all of her time during the 26 counties GE in the South coordinating the SF campaign in Sligo Leitrim. Her dad also worked away for SF in that campaign. What you are being told is wrong

Carlos McJackle
10-26-2007, 09:54 AM
surely it was the job of Gerry Adams and others to point out precisely what Ms swift has been suspended for pointing out , the perfectly bleeding obvious . Its also apparent that those who supported the move to join these PSNI front outfits hadnt a clue about what they were talking about beforehand .
Its clear that MsSwift has been sanctioned for spelling out the duties and functions of the PSNI local boards , explaining to her constituents what they entail exactly . The party line seems to be that the constituents mustnt be told this , just as the members werent told what they did either .

I think the whole policing situation needs to beed re evaluated. If you cannot hold anyone to account whats the point in participation?

This very obviously should have been thoroughly thrashed out before that party voted to join them . These PSNI boards have been in existence for years now and its very apparent sinn fein were not educating their membership as to what the boards did , simply jibing at the SDLP for joining them too early , whatever that meant . It seems the PSF leadership have opted yet again for a deliberate dumbing down of the republican position . It is the height of ignorance to hail a historic move on policing when the people rubberstamping that historic move obviously dont even know what the move entails . All they are needed for , whether at an Ard Feis or on a DPP is simply to rubberstamp issues that have been decided for them in advance .

Ms Swift is a politician . The job of a politician should be to help explain to her constituency the political issues within her constituency and the machimery of the state which is incomprehemsible to many , deliberately confusing like all beuraucracies . The workings of the local PSNI fronts definitely fall within this remit . To be suspended for pointing out how a British policing body actually works and functions is pathologically ignorant .
Then again a party that has no interest in holding its own leadership to account on any issue cant really complain when that leadership tells them to support another unnacountable body . If they believed in accountable politics in the frst place they wouldnt be in sinn fein .