Irish National Liberation Army (Pics)

[Joseph Pariah]

http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i1300669_1.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com)

INLA statement 1980s

http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i1300673_dfhnb.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com)

Volunteers on patrol 1980s

http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i1300679_efgfsxf.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com)

Volunteers on patrol 1980s

http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i1300672_1836207292a1938207654b440604871l.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com)

Easter 1984

http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i1300687_dgfhc.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com)

Volunteers 1990s

http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i1300685_zdvzxc.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com)

Volunteer with assualt rifle 2000s

[Puddies]

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http://photos-d.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v79/231/103/199110362/n199110362_31316027_1.jpg

[MarkyMark]

ah the INLA FF were good back in the day until those ******s of the IPLO tried to wipe them out

[liam]

Did the INLA ever make a propaganda video ? Its rare that you come across video footage of them.

[mickyk200]

I've a load of INLA pics on my computer but I can't figure out how to upload them because I've forgotten where I go them so I've no link =[

[quirk]

I've a load of INLA pics on my computer but I can't figure out how to upload them because I've forgotten where I go them so I've no link =[

Upload them to an image hosting site. http://www.imagehosting.com

[FreeDerry81]

www.rsym.org

pics of the INLA on there.

[mickyk200]

http://www.imagehosting.com/show.php/1369432_inla1.bmp.html
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http://00457.06sc.thinkquest.nl/images/id59_geweer.gif
http://www.tkb.org/documents/Groups/GR54_inla.jpg
http://www.derryirsp.homestead.com/files/inla3.jpg

I'll add more later ;]

[mickyk200]

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/bc99e6f557.jpg

[quirk]

Excellent pictures all of them.

[Vox Populi]

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/4710/1984steptembersaoirseca3.jpg

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/8361/ginogallaghermm2.jpg

[BunyipDude]

Why do these humble Marxist revolutionaries feel the need to be photographed with their favorite assault weapons in such obviously macho poses? Vox Populi told me I was a gun fetishist once, but don't a lot of these pics qualify as such?

[wherenow]

Don't know Bunyipdude. Coffins, guards of honour, guns, machoism often get mixed up in situations of war/terrorism/freedom fighting/foreign soldiers on your streets etc. Crazy I know but true!
Maybe next time we could go for a different kind of stuggle. Any ideas on imagary we might use to inspire/reflect that struggle.

[Puddies]

Why do these humble Marxist revolutionaries feel the need to pose with their favorite assault weapons in such obviously macho poses? Vox Populi told me I was a gun fetishist once, but don't a lot of these pics qualify as such?I think it depends on what they're used for. Looking at the gun as a commodity I think its really artificial to pose for the cameras. When the gun is there because of necessity I'd think it can be helpful to give a show of strength from time to time so the masses don't get the impression that volunteers are just twiddling their thumbs all the time.

By the way I'm guilty of it myself, from my slightly younger days:

http://b6.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/01077/67/33/1077363376_l.jpg

[mickyk200]

I think it depends on what they're used for. Looking at the gun as a commodity I think its really artificial to pose for the cameras. When the gun is there because of necessity I'd think it can be helpful to give a show of strength from time to time so the masses don't get the impression that volunteers are just twiddling their thumbs all the time.

By the way I'm guilty of it myself, from my slightly younger days:

http://b6.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/01077/67/33/1077363376_l.jpg
No harm to ya man, but assuming the pic was taken some years ago...did you not think it dangerous to stand outside in a balaclava with a rifle. It wouldn't be a great idea now ¬¬

[FreeDerry81]

did you get that celtic top years early? that jersey was used 2 years ago.

[mickyk200]

did you get that celtic top years early? that jersey was used 2 years ago.
Oh aye...It was an NTL sponser in the 90's...

[broche]

the centred crest

[Vox Populi]

Why do these humble Marxist revolutionaries feel the need to be photographed with their favorite assault weapons in such obviously macho poses? Vox Populi told me I was a gun fetishist once, but don't a lot of these pics qualify as such?
The fact remains that they have and continue to use their arms when appropriate. I've never heard a Republican sit about theorising and getting moist over different types of ammunition - it's mostly annoying students on internet forums.

[Puddies]

No harm to ya man, but assuming the pic was taken some years ago...did you not think it dangerous to stand outside in a balaclava with a rifle. It wouldn't be a great idea now ¬¬Well this was in an American suburb....but yes it was a couple years back.

[BunyipDude]

The fact remains that they have and continue to use their arms when appropriate. I've never heard a Republican sit about theorising and getting moist over different types of ammunition - it's mostly annoying students on internet forums.

Moist over different types of ammo? You must be confusing that with the way you get moist just listening to yourself talk. And since when do you know ANYONE who is in the INLA, anyway?

I'm guessing that, like most "revolutionaries", you're some college student who has taken up Marxism out of an urge to feel rebellious and enlightened.

[Puddies]

I'm guessing that, like most "revolutionaries", you're some college student who has taken up Marxism out of an urge to feel rebellious and enlightened.Well Vox is anything but that, but remember it was the Students for a Democratic Society that built strong ties between politically conscious educated college students and the impoverished urban communities during the 60's. The SDS could have conceivably became a revolutionary vanguard at the height of the Vietnam War in the midst of the refusal by both pro-imperialist parties to end the war, and nearly did. Factors like lack of effective communication eventually led to the organization's demise.

“

[I]To put it in other words, ... they will work on the preparation of their own suicide.”

-Lenin

Greetings from the midwest in under a second. :)

[KillinSnakes]

Moist over different types of ammo? You must be confusing that with the way you get moist just listening to yourself talk. And since when do you know ANYONE who is in the INLA, anyway?

I'm guessing that, like most "revolutionaries", you're some college student who has taken up Marxism out of an urge to feel rebellious and enlightened.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :icon_laugh:

You have a real talent for sticking your foot in your mouth. :eusa_clap:

I know Vox personally, have for years. He is not a college student, he's from Andytown west Belfast you silly gob****e.

[Vox Populi]

And since when do you know ANYONE who is in the INLA, anyway?.
Great to see our resident cracker trailer trash taking an interest, along with all their other great exports, Paris Hilton and Chris Crocker.

[BunyipDude]

Great to see our resident cracker trailer trash taking an interest, along with all their other great exports, Paris Hilton and Chris Crocker.

(1.) I'm not trailer trash. One of the other Americans on here who IS trailer-trash told me I was an elitist because I go to a liberal arts college in Maine. I welcome that description, as I do think of myself as superior to you based on my family's wealth, which I enjoy even though I did nothing to earn it.
(2.) I do not like either of those two b*tches you mentioned, nor do I find anything admirable about what they do for money.

Nonetheless, I sure do love being a decadent capitalist youth who can laugh at the poor Belfast scum like yourself. Anyway, get back to fighting for your revolution or whatever.

[mickyk200]

(1.) I'm not trailer trash. One of the other Americans on here who IS trailer-trash told me I was an elitist because I go to a liberal arts college in Maine. I welcome that description, as I do think of myself as superior to you based on my family's wealth, which I enjoy even though I did nothing to earn it.
(2.) I do not like either of those two b*tches you mentioned, nor do I find anything admirable about what they do for money.

Nonetheless, I sure do love being a decadent capitalist youth who can laugh at the poor Belfast scum like yourself. Anyway, get back to fighting for your revolution or whatever.
"laugh at the poor Belfast scum like yourself."
I suggest you remove you party preference or change it to the DUP or something because that is a remark no republican of any description would make.

[BunyipDude]

"laugh at the poor Belfast scum like yourself."
I suggest you remove you party preference or change it to the DUP or something because that is a remark no republican of any description would make.

I'm not a Republican, or a Loyalist. I'm a capitalist overlord. Why would I sympathize with people who are beneath me? I like Sinn Fein only because I am happy they sold you fools out, and therefore made it safe for capitalism to continue in Ireland so that I can stay rich. They are still terrorist scum, as far as I am concerned.

[mickyk200]

I'm not a Republican, or a Loyalist. I'm a capitalist overlord. Why would I sympathize with people who are beneath me? I like Sinn Fein only because I am happy they sold you fools out, and therefore made it safe for capitalism to continue in Ireland so that I can stay rich. They are still terrorist scum, as far as I am concerned.
I can't remember the name for it but you're just here to offend people over the internet ,aren't you?
cuz the majority of people will cop on and just ignore you...

[quirk]

I can't remember the name for it but you're just here to offend people over the internet ,aren't you?
cuz the majority of people will cop on and just ignore you...

Troll.

[DFCRFB]

brilliant photos lads. im snatching them all!!!

[mickyk200]

Troll.
Well said

[KillinSnakes]

I'm not a Republican, or a Loyalist. I'm a capitalist overlord. Why would I sympathize with people who are beneath me? I like Sinn Fein only because I am happy they sold you fools out, and therefore made it safe for capitalism to continue in Ireland so that I can stay rich. They are still terrorist scum, as far as I am concerned.

LOL, you're so superior that you have to go onto internet message boards to show it? :icon_lol:

I'm sorry you don't get enough love or whatever your problem is, but we're not interested.

[BunyipDude]

LOL, you're so superior that you have to go onto internet message boards to show it? :icon_lol:

I'm sorry you don't get enough love or whatever your problem is, but we're not interested.

Isn't that precisely what most people come on message boards to do? Vox certainly seems to have that same problem. Who does he think he is, anyway?

[KillinSnakes]

Isn't that precisely what most people come on message boards to do? Vox certainly seems to have that same problem. Who does he think he is, anyway?

I guess he thinks he's a comrade in his Movement, promoting it amongst other Irish people...

I don't see how his carefully constructed arguments against elitism and in favour of a broad front of anti-imperialists have anything in common with showing off as you do.

what is more, showing off on a message board is... sad.

[mickyk200]

Before you get too deep into this...How did some american yap start all this on a thread which was started just to upload pictures?

[DFCRFB]

was just wondering that myself. the pics have stopped and arguements started.

[DFCRFB]

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/glasgow-provo/Patsy%20Comm%20Derry/patsyoharacomm-11.jpg

[DFCRFB]

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/glasgow-provo/Patsy%20Comm%20Derry/patsyoharamonument24.jpg

[ciaranxavier]

Troll.

:icon_lol: :icon_laugh:

[ciaranxavier]

I'm not a Republican, or a Loyalist. I'm a capitalist overlord. Why would I sympathize with people who are beneath me? I like Sinn Fein only because I am happy they sold you fools out, and therefore made it safe for capitalism to continue in Ireland so that I can stay rich. They are still terrorist scum, as far as I am concerned.

^^^^^^^^^scum^^^^^^^^^^^

i hope when you go to use your next credit card or dollar bill you get a paper cut which becomes infested with gangrene and your arms fall off and when that happens you lose control of your legs and fall on your arms impaling yourself up the ***.

[Puddies]

Before you get too deep into this...How did some american yap start all this on a thread which was started just to upload pictures?It stems back to Bunnyip mentioning in many different threads the fact that he owns an AK-47 and Vox calling him out for giving the impression that he has a gun fetish. Bunnyip attempted to turn the tables on Vox and and the RSM here but obviously failed miserably.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g161/Puddies87/INLA.jpg

[KillinSnakes]

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o289/craobhrua/costellograve2.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o289/craobhrua/costellosgrave1.jpg

Paddy Bo Campbell's grave

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o289/craobhrua/pcampbellgrave.jpg

The grave of PLA (IRSM pre-INLA defence force) comrade Daniel Loughran
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o289/craobhrua/plagrave.jpg

IRSM Fallen Comrades Memorial with Co Antrim ROH
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o289/craobhrua/irsmvolmonument.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o289/craobhrua/rollofhonourirsmvol.jpg

[BunyipDude]

It stems back to Bunnyip mentioning in many different threads the fact that he owns an AK-47 and Vox calling him out for giving the impression that he has a gun fetish. Bunnyip attempted to turn the tables on Vox and and the RSM here but obviously failed miserably.

Exactly, and doesn't that prove what a self-righteous a*shole Vox is? Otherwise, I could care less. Then again, most wannabe-Marxists are like that...it's funny how seriously you fools take yourselves.

[DublinRepublican]

Exactly, and doesn't that prove what a self-righteous a*shole Vox is? Otherwise, I could care less. Then again, most wannabe-Marxists are like that...it's funny how seriously you fools take yourselves.
Your Bitter, wrongfully Bitter.

[Vox Populi]

Some beard on ye son. Some cheek on ye to accuse anyone of being a trendy lefty.

[BunyipDude]

Some beard on ye son. Some cheek on ye to accuse anyone of being a trendy lefty.

Trendiness is really the main reason ANYONE would become a Marxist nowadays.

Then again, you don't strike me as being trendy. Just an a*shole.

[Vox Populi]

When did I ever call myself a Marxist?

Because I haven't and don't.

[Vox Populi]

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/7494/scan0001en4.jpg

[Puddies]

Exactly, and doesn't that prove what a self-righteous a*shole Vox is? Otherwise, I could care less. Then again, most wannabe-Marxists are like that...it's funny how seriously you fools take yourselves.No, you're just a liberal who only takes things at face value. You're calling someone an asshole based on a few interactions you've had over an internet message board. You made a sweeping generalization about an individual and when that turned out to be completely untrue you resorted to personal attacks and name calling.

Vox knew that you weren't "trailer trash" all along, he was just pointing out what the de facto products of the society you treasure so much are.

From your posts here I would guess that you come from some sort of middle-class background and probably grew up in the suburbs. If you worked a job during high school it was likely some kind of service job in which you didn't actually produce anything, just acted as a middle man between sweatshop labor and the consumers who are purchasing the fruits of that labor. Then you would have had your parents pay your way to college, perhaps with some financial aid involved. Now I would guess that you're going through the motions of university or college life in order to get a better paying job in the future.

Since money doesn't equate to happiness you sub-consciously work to fill voids in your life by engaging in unproductive activities such as trolling the internet in an attempt to make yourself feel good by putting others down. Rather than attempting to understand how individuals like Vox came to have the beliefs that they do, you throw petty insults at them and make a fool of yourself in the process.

Now your immediate response to this is undoubtedly going to be to try and refute the specific predictions I made concerning you. Although since I just wrote that sentence you might decide to take a different approach.

Not that any of this is your fault, you're just a product of the conditions you've been exposed to since birth. It wouldn't surprise me if you and I came from very similar backgrounds; you just aren't conscious of how and why you got to where you are.

I cried when they shot Medgar Evers
Tears ran down my spine
I cried when they shot Mr. Kennedy
As though I'd lost a father of mine
But Malcolm X got what was coming
He got what he asked for this time
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

I go to civil rights rallies
And I put down the old D.A.R.
I love Harry and Sidney and Sammy
I hope every colored boy becomes a star
But don't talk about revolution
That's going a little bit too far
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

I cheered when Humphrey was chosen
My faith in the system restored
I'm glad the commies were thrown out
of the A.F.L. C.I.O. board
I love Puerto Ricans and Negros
as long as they don't move next door
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

The people of old Mississippi
Should all hang their heads in shame
I can't understand how their minds work
What's the matter don't they watch Les Crain?
But if you ask me to bus my children
I hope the cops take down your name
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

I read New republic and Nation
I've learned to take every view
You know, I've memorized Lerner and Golden
I feel like I'm almost a Jew
But when it comes to times like Korea
There's no one more red, white and blue
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

I vote for the democratic party
They want the U.N. to be strong
I go to all the Pete Seeger concerts
He sure gets me singing those songs
I'll send all the money you ask for
But don't ask me to come on along
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

Once I was young and impulsive
I wore every conceivable pin
Even went to the socialist meetings
Learned all the old union hymns
But I've grown older and wiser
And that's why I'm turning you in
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal


-Phil Ochs

By the way, was that you in your old avatar holding the good ol' Kalashnikov?

[BunyipDude]

When did I ever call myself a Marxist?

Because I haven't and don't.

Isn't the IRSP Marxist?

Also, what is the point of that picture you posted? Maybe I should post a picture of some dumb, drunken Mick singing Republican songs in a pub?

[Puddies]

http://photos-d.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v98/231/103/199110362/n199110362_31341619_7607.jpg

[BunyipDude]

You're calling someone an asshole based on a few interactions you've had over an internet message board.

I'm calling him an asshole based on the fact that he called me a gun fetishist first. And now here you are, riding his nuts trying to justify that.

You made a sweeping generalization about an individual and when that turned out to be completely untrue you resorted to personal attacks and name calling.

And he didn't?


Since money doesn't equate to happiness you sub-consciously work to fill voids in your life by engaging in unproductive activities such as trolling the internet in an attempt to make yourself feel good by putting others down. Rather than attempting to understand how individuals like Vox came to have the beliefs that they do, you throw petty insults at them and make a fool of yourself in the process.

Trolling is precisely what Vox has done.


Now your immediate response to this is undoubtedly going to be to try and refute the specific predictions I made concerning you. Although since I just wrote that sentence you might decide to take a different approach.

Give or take the last part, most of what you've said is accurate. I am not ashamed of being middle-class, or living in America. I do not consider my background necessary to justify my beliefs, unlike some people here (some of whom strike me as being fake losers anyway).


By the way, was that you in your old avatar holding the good ol' Kalashnikov?

No, it was Derek Thompson in "Harry's Game", playing a PIRA assassin.

[Vox Populi]

You'll need to ask the IRSP, because I am not a member. When did I ever call myself a Marxist?

[Vox Populi]

http://photos-d.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v98/231/103/199110362/n199110362_31341619_7607.jpg
Lovely picture. Do you know if there's a higher resolution copy?

[Puddies]

Lovely picture. Do you know if there's a higher resolution copy?I'm not sure comrade, I believe it was originally posted on the Remember 1981 forum or maybe Saor Eire. I uploaded it to the IRSM group on facebook.

http://photos-362.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v110/231/103/199110362/n199110362_31439993_3329.jpg

http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v141/231/103/199110362/n199110362_31717797_1486.jpg

[BunyipDude]

You'll need to ask the IRSP, because I am not a member. When did I ever call myself a Marxist?

I don't know, you simply sounded like one. Especially since you claim that the Republican movement outside of the IRSP and OIRA/Workers' Party are "right-wing".

What are you, anyway?

[KillinSnakes]

Isn't the IRSP Marxist?

Also, what is the point of that picture you posted? Maybe I should post a picture of some dumb, drunken Mick singing Republican songs in a pub?

It's harder to find a pic of a drunken mick than a drunken wasp cos we can hol dour liqour :icon_lol:

[BunyipDude]

Down with Big Brother.
Down with Big Brother.
Down with Big Brother.
Down with Big Brother.
Down with Big Brother.
Down with Big Brother.
Down with Big Brother.
Down with Big Brother.

[Hildy]

It's harder to find a pic of a drunken mick than a drunken wasp cos we can hol dour liqour :icon_lol:


http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s6/hildydonovan/Emoticons/hysterical.gif

[mickyk200]

Down with Big Brother.
Down with Big Brother.
Down with Big Brother.
Down with Big Brother.
Down with Big Brother.
Down with Big Brother.
Down with Big Brother.
Down with Big Brother.
If you do not agree with any aspect of any form ofirish republicanism, why did you sign up to this site?

[Puddies]

If you do not agree with any aspect of any form ofirish republicanism, why did you sign up to this site?I would imagine the association thats made between Irish Republicans and firearms was a factor.

[BunyipDude]

I would imagine the association thats made between Irish Republicans and firearms was a factor.

I have already explained elsewhere that I joined because I'm doing an independent study on the Troubles this semester and I figured I could learn from here. There are many groups of terrorist thugs in the world that love to brandish guns and act tough...so why are the Irish Republicans unique in that respect?

Nice attempt at a cheap shot, though.

[Hildy]

Nice attempt at a cheap shot, though.

Was that a play on words?:confused: :icon_lol:


B-Dude! How ye been? Studying hard I hope.....we want ye to pass those exams!

I know you said you don't understand anyone with a gun fetish, (I can't figure that one out either).....but did you know there are people who have a "sipping tea" fetish? I'll bet you didn't know there was such a thing, right? Well there is, look it up on the net, you'll see I'm correct!:icon_lol: :icon_lol:

You missed all the excitement tonite!http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s6/hildydonovan/Emoticons/add1_zustimm.gif

Slan, Hildy! http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s6/hildydonovan/Emoticons/icon_12.gif

(don't study too hard)

[Puddies]

I have already explained elsewhere that I joined because I'm doing an independent study on the Troubles this semester and I figured I could learn from here. There are many groups of terrorist thugs in the world that love to brandish guns and act tough...so why are the Irish Republicans unique in that respect?

Nice attempt at a cheap shot, though.Well I stand corrected, but surely you understand what could have lead me to come to that conclusion? What model of the AK do you own again?

I think we've been over this before, I don't see how "terrorist thugs" equate to men and women who act out of their own free will to fight against perceived injustice. Your whole political stance at the present time would presuppose that paid mercenary soldiers who follow the orders of corporate oligarchs such as George W. Bush and Hillary Clinton are the "good guys" fighting for nothing in some land across the sea.

Are you even aware of how nationalists were treated in the north before basic civil rights were won...via armed insurrection? I'd suggest reading this:

http://www.marxists.org/archive/foot-paul/1988/07/ireland.htm

[mickyk200]

I have already explained elsewhere that I joined because I'm doing an independent study on the Troubles this semester and I figured I could learn from here. There are many groups of terrorist thugs in the world that love to brandish guns and act tough...so why are the Irish Republicans unique in that respect?

Nice attempt at a cheap shot, though.
The go to the CAIN website...cuz your just a pain in the hole here, and you'll learn more that here.

[BunyipDude]

The go to the CAIN website...cuz your just a pain in the hole here, and you'll learn more that here.

I do use CAIN. Come to think of it, 90% of what I've found came from there.

Well I stand corrected, but surely you understand what could have lead me to come to that conclusion? What model of the AK do you own again?

Poly Tech, Type 56. It's the Chinese version.

If I really were interested in a terrorist group because it brandishes guns in its propaganda photos and videos, there are many, MANY groups I could have chosen instead. How about Hamas? I despise Islamism as much as I despise socialism and tribal nationalism, but those propaganda videos they make where their members march around Gaza with black ski masks, green headbands, and AKs and RPGs do look kinda cool. Maybe I'll go visit some pro-Hamas message board?


Are you even aware of how nationalists were treated in the north before basic civil rights were won...via armed insurrection? I'd suggest reading this:

http://www.marxists.org/archive/foot-paul/1988/07/ireland.htm

Yes. It's not exactly uncommon knowledge. That doesn't mean I have to think that terrorism and sectarian violence is justified. I also do not want anyone from my country, especially a bunch of neocon tools, arguing that the IRA's "struggle" is justified while simultaneously supporting our involvement in Iraq.

[BunyipDude]

B-Dude! How ye been? Studying hard I hope.....we want ye to pass those exams!


Mostly essay-writing (including the independent study I am doing on the Troubles). I wish I were done already...

[Puddies]

I do use CAIN. Come to think of it, 90% of what I've found came from there.



Poly Tech, Type 56. It's the Chinese version.

If I really were interested in a terrorist group because it brandishes guns in its propaganda photos and videos, there are many, MANY groups I could have chosen instead. How about Hamas? I despise Islamism as much as I despise socialism and tribal nationalism, but those propaganda videos they make where their members march around Gaza with black ski masks, green headbands, and AKs and RPGs do look kinda cool. Maybe I'll go visit some pro-Hamas message board?



Yes. It's not exactly uncommon knowledge. That doesn't mean I have to think that terrorism and sectarian violence is justified. I also do not want anyone from my country, especially a bunch of neocon tools, arguing that the IRA's "struggle" is justified while simultaneously supporting our involvement in Iraq.I'm completely open to the idea that maybe you don't have a "gun fetish", I admit that I was first attracted to the IRA and what not when I was around 14 because of the weapons and mysterious men wearing balaclavas who were fighting against the evil empire; its besides the point anyway.

I'm not one to defend Hamas as they are certainly a reactionary organization, however imperialism and occupation will need to be destroyed in Palestine before religious fundamentalism can be eradicated.

Do you despise the US military for making propaganda videos in order to show off tanks and warships while glorifying blindly obedient armored mercenaries touting M16's and M203's? It can be a real blast to toy with recruiters sometimes, tell them its your historic mission to bring freedom and democracy to the people of the Middle East and they'll eat it all up.

Sectarian violence should be condemned in all of its forms, but to rebel against the northern state was certainly justified. With that said the Provos didn't come anywhere near their stated objective of a "democratic socialist republic", so the way in which the war was carried out was obviously a tactical error.

Ironically it was the Marxist-led Official IRA that argued against an armed campaign in 1969, saying it would only alienate the protestant population and thus deepen sectarianism within the Irish working class. They went to hell after the war was on but looking at the conditions that existed once the war was over it appears as if it was the Marxist analysis that was correct from the outset.

Watch this movie whenever you get the chance, its a bit sketchy on some things but good in general:

www.zeitgeistmovie.com

[redflag32]

Way too many off-topic posts here!

[BunyipDude]

Do you despise the US military for making propaganda videos in order to show off tanks and warships while glorifying blindly obedient armored mercenaries touting M16's and M203's? It can be a real blast to toy with recruiters sometimes, tell them its your historic mission to bring freedom and democracy to the people of the Middle East and they'll eat it all up.

I have already explained that while I am not an isolationist, I generally do not support my government's little field trips across the world - certainly not in Iraq, which I do not believe was a threat to America at all.

I would probably support action against Iran if credible evidence emerged that Iran was a threat, but I don't think we can do anything now that we're already in Iraq, which is precisely what upset me about the invasion.


Ironically it was the Marxist-led Official IRA that argued against an armed campaign in 1969, saying it would only alienate the protestant population and thus deepen sectarianism within the Irish working class. They went to hell after the war was on but looking at the conditions that existed once the war was over it appears as if it was the Marxist analysis that was correct from the outset.

Actually, I don't completely agree with the Officials on this point. I do think Catholics had a right to defend themselves, and when the Officials decided their idealistic little goal (of working through what is fundamentally a sectarian tribal state to end sectarianism) was more important than defending their communities, that is what gave birth to the Provos. I hear OIRA supporters (all three of them) constantly talking about how the creation of the Provos was a conspiracy by the government of the Republic, but the truth is, the Provos came into existence because of the Officials' perceived spinelessness.

Besides, as you've said, in the end, the Officials wound up going to war themselves. If only they had realized sooner that it was pretty much inevitable, maybe they could have preserved the organization and prevented the split.


Watch this movie whenever you get the chance, its a bit sketchy on some things but good in general:

www.zeitgeistmovie.com

Cheers.

[Daithí]

I'm completely open to the idea that maybe you don't have a "gun fetish", I admit that I was first attracted to the IRA and what not when I was around 14 because of the weapons and mysterious men wearing balaclavas who were fighting against the evil empire; its besides the point anyway.

I'm not one to defend Hamas as they are certainly a reactionary organization, however imperialism and occupation will need to be destroyed in Palestine before religious fundamentalism can be eradicated.

Do you despise the US military for making propaganda videos in order to show off tanks and warships while glorifying blindly obedient armored mercenaries touting M16's and M203's? It can be a real blast to toy with recruiters sometimes, tell them its your historic mission to bring freedom and democracy to the people of the Middle East and they'll eat it all up.

Sectarian violence should be condemned in all of its forms, but to rebel against the northern state was certainly justified. With that said the Provos didn't come anywhere near their stated objective of a "democratic socialist republic", so the way in which the war was carried out was obviously a tactical error.

Ironically it was the Marxist-led Official IRA that argued against an armed campaign in 1969, saying it would only alienate the protestant population and thus deepen sectarianism within the Irish working class. They went to hell after the war was on but looking at the conditions that existed once the war was over it appears as if it was the Marxist analysis that was correct from the outset.

Watch this movie whenever you get the chance, its a bit sketchy on some things but good in general:

www.zeitgeistmovie.com

Great post all round.

[Puddies]

Actually, I don't completely agree with the Officials on this point. I do think Catholics had a right to defend themselves, and when the Officials decided their idealistic little goal (of working through what is fundamentally a sectarian tribal state to end sectarianism) was more important than defending their communities, that is what gave birth to the Provos. I hear OIRA supporters (all three of them) constantly talking about how the creation of the Provos was a conspiracy by the government of the Republic, but the truth is, the Provos came into existence because of the Officials' perceived spinelessness.It sounds like you're generally coming to the conclusions that Costello and company came to in 1974. Have you read the Ta Power Document?

http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/viggiani/images/GerardMurray/CLOSEUPOFPLAQUE.jpg

[MarkyMark]

anybody got the photos from the first post? the server they are hosted on is down

[Vox Populi]

Actually, I don't completely agree with the Officials on this point. I do think Catholics had a right to defend themselves, and when the Officials decided their idealistic little goal (of working through what is fundamentally a sectarian tribal state to end sectarianism) was more important than defending their communities, that is what gave birth to the Provos. I hear OIRA supporters (all three of them) constantly talking about how the creation of the Provos was a conspiracy by the government of the Republic, but the truth is, the Provos came into existence because of the Officials' perceived spinelessness.

The creation of the Provos was encouraged by Fianna Fail and the Freestate army, there is absolutely no doubt about that. People like Johnny White, who were offered money, had publically stated at a meeting before his death that Kelly was trying to split the movement.

No one in the Officials said that beseiged areas should not defend themselves. It's a known fact the Officials adopted a position of defense and retaliation in 1972 (sometimes refered to as D&R) with many Volunteers carrying outmore illegal work after 1972 than before.

[BunyipDude]

The creation of the Provos was encouraged by Fianna Fail and the Freestate army, there is absolutely no doubt about that. People like Johnny White, who were offered money, had publically stated at a meeting before his death that Kelly was trying to split the movement.

There seems to be quite a bit of doubt about that. Especially since the Provos' leftist, anti-imperialist, anti-capitalist, and generally anti-Fianna Fail stances don't seem to mesh too well with the goals of the Republic. It sounds more like a rumor, just like the rumors that the Provos used to burn books by Connolly and Marxist thinkers.


No one in the Officials said that beseiged areas should not defend themselves. It's a known fact the Officials adopted a position of defense and retaliation in 1972 (sometimes refered to as D&R) with many Volunteers carrying outmore illegal work after 1972 than before.

1972? That's three years after the pogroms had begun. It's what happened in '69 that mattered, and back then, the leadership that would become the Officials were refusing to put guns in the volunteers' hands.

[Puddies]

There seems to be quite a bit of doubt about that. Especially since the Provos' leftist, anti-imperialist, anti-capitalist, and generally anti-Fianna Fail stances don't seem to mesh too well with the goals of the Republic. It sounds more like a rumor, just like the rumors that the Provos used to burn books by Connolly and Marxist thinkers.The Provos never reached a point of actually posing a threat to the capitalist establishment. Despite some notable exceptions and whatever their officially stated goals were at any given time it was largely a petite-bourgeois nationalist movement. Civil unrest was inevitable within the 6 counties and it was more favorable for FF to have that channeled into left nationalism rather than full-fledged Marxism.

[Vox Populi]

There seems to be quite a bit of doubt about that. Especially since the Provos' leftist, anti-imperialist, anti-capitalist, and generally anti-Fianna Fail stances don't seem to mesh too well with the goals of the Republic. It sounds more like a rumor, just like the rumors that the Provos used to burn books by Connolly and Marxist thinkers.



1972? That's three years after the pogroms had begun. It's what happened in '69 that mattered, and back then, the leadership that would become the Officials were refusing to put guns in the volunteers' hands.The Provisionals were not anti-capitalist, its fairly safe to say they were pro-capitalist and still are. There are certainly claims of a standing for a 'democratic socialist republic' but they don't stand for genuine socialism, i.e. power in the hands of the working class. The sorts of 'socialism' we see in Scandinavia does not include the working class exercising political power.

Republican Voices edited by Kevin Bean is a source for the book burnings, in it he interviews a named OIRA Vol that was in Long Kesh at the time. Not withstanding that, I was at a seminar recently in the Farset Hotel with Loyalists and a member of the ORM discussed the book burnings in his presentation. This was confirmed by a then member of the PRM who was in Long Kesh also present. The lies concerning the sale of guns to the Free Wales Army was also discussed and the slogan 'I Ran Away', which never went up. Sean O'Hare at the meeting challenged for anyone to point to a particular wall were this slogan was erected or to produce a photograph.

The leadership didn't refuse to put guns into the hands of the Volunteers in 1969 and there were certainly more than the claimed 10 guns or whatever the various figures dreamt up are. There was an arms dump in the RHV that wasn't touched for the reason was that the people who later founded the Provisionals were not Volunteers, or even members of the Republican Movement. The Republican Movement in 1969 did not have enough men for the amount of weapons.

The OIRA in Divis also handed over guns to the Provos during the Falls curfew and lost Volunteers during the ensuring battle.

Can you provide the sources for the claims made?

[KillinSnakes]

Ironically it was the Marxist-led Official IRA that argued against an armed campaign in 1969, saying it would only alienate the protestant population and thus deepen sectarianism within the Irish working class. They went to hell after the war was on but looking at the conditions that existed once the war was over it appears as if it was the Marxist analysis that was correct from the outset.

The OIRA argued for a stagist solution, democratising the six county state, then unification, followed by years of economic development and then socialism... so it wasn't really Marxist at all.

Armed struggle wasn't the source of protestant alienation. It surely deepened it, but to be honest the loyalists were just as hardline when Catholic nationalists were demanding democratic rights.

[Puddies]

The OIRA argued for a stagist solution, democratising the six county state, then unification, followed by years of economic development and then socialism... so it wasn't really Marxist at all.

Armed struggle wasn't the source of protestant alienation. It surely deepened it, but to be honest the loyalists were just as hardline when Catholic nationalists were demanding democratic rights.I know comrade, thats why I'm an erp :eusa_dance:

[KillinSnakes]

I know comrade, thats why I'm an erp :eusa_dance:

a damn good one, too ;)

[BunyipDude]

I don't get it...

You guys are basically saying that the Republic preferred the Provos to the Officials because they considered them less of a threat to the Republic's interests? I'm sure you would all argue that the Republic was then and always has been dependent upon British capitalism, so why would they want to undermine it by funding a group that was determined to destroy the system? I think if anyone in the Republic gave assistance to the Provos, it had more to do with the sympathy they felt towards their fellow Catholics who were perceived as defenseless and the Goulding leadership's perceived inability to do anything about it.

I realize you all seem to think that the OIRA's political program would have done something, but the rest of the world sees them as little more than all talk, no action. The PIRA, in comparison, waged a war that devastated Northern Ireland and kept a large portion of the British military machine tied up in Ireland. I don't see how that could have seen as less threatening. What was that quote? I can't remember...was it by Goulding, where he claims the Brits and the Irish government engineered the split because they "didn't want a Cuba in their own back yard"? The fact is, NOBODY took the OIRA as much of a threat then.

The Provisionals were not anti-capitalist, its fairly safe to say they were pro-capitalist and still are. There are certainly claims of a standing for a 'democratic socialist republic' but they don't stand for genuine socialism, i.e. power in the hands of the working class. The sorts of 'socialism' we see in Scandinavia does not include the working class exercising political power.

I don't think Scandinavian socialism is what they had in mind, either. Haven't you ever read Rory O'Brady's article "Restore the Means of Production to the People" where he explains the Provos' socialism? Sounds to me like "power in the hands of the working class" is precisely what he wanted.


Can you provide the sources for the claims made?

I thought it was common knowledge.

[Puddies]

I don't get it...

You guys are basically saying that the Republic preferred the Provos to the Officials because they considered them less of a threat to the Republic's interests? I'm sure you would all argue that the Republic was then and always has been dependent upon British capitalism, so why would they want to undermine it by funding a group that was determined to destroy the system? I think if anyone in the Republic gave assistance to the Provos, it had more to do with the sympathy they felt towards their fellow Catholics who were perceived as defenseless and the Goulding leadership's perceived inability to do anything about it.

There was going to be a force coming out of 69 bent on destroying the system either way, it better suited their interests to have it be a divided movement than a broad front. Ever hear of the phrase divide and conquer? They foment political sectarianism just as they do with religion.
I don't think Scandinavian socialism is what they had in mind, either. Haven't you ever read Rory O'Brady's article "Restore the Means of Production to the People" where he explains the Provos' socialism? Sounds to me like "power in the hands of the working class" is precisely what he wanted.Because he wrote that at the time doesn't necessarily mean that PIRA men were fighting for it. Didn't you look at the Provos as "catholic tribalists"? I'm not sure what your knowledge of socialist or communist theory but it doesn't exactly mesh well with tribalism and/or catholicism. I'd recommend reading Liam O Ruairc's article from the latest edition of the Starry Plough if you haven't already.

http://www.irishrepublican.net/forum/showthread.php?t=6456

[KillinSnakes]

I don't get it...

You guys are basically saying that the Republic preferred the Provos to the Officials because they considered them less of a threat to the Republic's interests? I'm sure you would all argue that the Republic was then and always has been dependent upon British capitalism, so why would they want to undermine it by funding a group that was determined to destroy the system? I think if anyone in the Republic gave assistance to the Provos, it had more to do with the sympathy they felt towards their fellow Catholics who were perceived as defenseless and the Goulding leadership's perceived inability to do anything about it.

It's not that the Free State wanted to see a successful resistance movement in the six counties, but at that point recognised that there was going to be an armed resistance, and since that was the case, might as well make it pro-capitalist. This was an exercise in damage control. You also have to understand that the Free State and the Irish ruling class are not a monolithic entity. Some would like to reunite Ireland, and at times pressure from popular patriotic sentiment forces the Staters to take measures they otherwise wouldn't.

There is an interesting article that was written with primary source evidence alledging that the Free State not only tried to buy the provos allegience, but offered a much more generous package (including funds and gear) of sponsorship if the 'traditioanlists' would off some reds. they were told to **** off. I can dig up the article for you if you want.


I realize you all seem to think that the OIRA's political program would have done something, but the rest of the world sees them as little more than all talk, no action. The PIRA, in comparison, waged a war that devastated Northern Ireland and kept a large portion of the British military machine tied up in Ireland. I don't see how that could have seen as less threatening. What was that quote? I can't remember...was it by Goulding, where he claims the Brits and the Irish government engineered the split because they "didn't want a Cuba in their own back yard"? The fact is, NOBODY took the OIRA as much of a threat then.


I think you're somewhat correct here- the split between the traditionalist/catholic defenderist provo bloc from the "left" bloc was probably inevitable, as was the split of anti-imperialist revolutionary socialists (IRSP/INLA) from the reformist Officials. The explanations for this are structuralist and we shouldn't deviate from that too far by exagerating what effect the Free State had in sponsoring the Provisional Rosary Bead Brigade.


I don't think Scandinavian socialism is what they had in mind, either. Haven't you ever read Rory O'Brady's article "Restore the Means of Production to the People" where he explains the Provos' socialism? Sounds to me like "power in the hands of the working class" is precisely what he wanted.


You have to compare his rhetoric to his actions.

Ruairi O Bradaigh has NEVER tried to push for any concrete policies that could be considered genuine socialism or even for mass struggle. And it is impossible to build socialism without mass struggle. Indeed, as a revisionist* "traditional" republican, he detests mass struggle and believes that a small, select band of men who are the purist of the pure can deliver the Republic.

It may be a cultural misunderstanding - in Ireland socialism has some popularity with workers, unlike the States, and reactionaries like O Bradaigh will sometimes indulge in that to trick young men into joining their ranks - as any crafty politician would.

There are a few concrete proposals in his writings (never implemented in the real world) such as Eire Nua that call for restoring the means of production to the petite bourgeoisie (along the lines of family farms, etc.) but this is reactionary, sentimental nonsense.


*revisionist because any objective reading of the history of Irish resistance to british rule would show that armed struggle could only survive when it was backed by labour and mass struggle, such as during the Tan War when the unions sabotaged the British war machine and even built soviets.

[Vox Populi]

You guys are basically saying that the Republic preferred the Provos to the Officials because they considered them less of a threat to the Republic's interests? I'm sure you would all argue that the Republic was then and always has been dependent upon British capitalism, so why would they want to undermine it by funding a group that was determined to destroy the system?Because they needed to get rid of the Communists within the Republican Movement, before pushing for a split people were offered money to murder the Communists within the Republican Movement.

I think if anyone in the Republic gave assistance to the Provos, it had more to do with the sympathy they felt towards their fellow Catholics who were perceived as defenseless and the Goulding leadership's perceived inability to do anything about it.
Kelly was in Derry and Belfast before August 1969 and shortly after the pogroms was involved in the hijacking of a Battallion Staff meeting, were he stormed the meeting with people who would later become Provos and produced a gun. Billy McMillan, OC, found himself on the other end.


I realize you all seem to think that the OIRA's political program would have done somethingNo one's said that. It was ultimately reformist and in the end, exactly the same as the Provos and the Communist Party of Ireland.

The fact is, NOBODY took the OIRA as much of a threat then.
The Official Republican Movement had leadership meetings with the Brits in 1972 and consistently after for a good few years to negotiate essentially an end to any revolutionary activity. Whilst the OIRA wasn't perusing a sectarian war, they did shoot a few judges, burnt their houses, blew up the building that stored gas bills, ran a peoples bus service in the absence of public transport, amongst much more that still hasn't been discussed.

[Vox Populi]

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,877690-2,00.html

No threat in 1972 indeed.

[duggie-89]

some good photo's never mind that ****faced bunyipdude

[BunyipDude]

I don't have time to respond to everything now (not sure I could even then), but I must point out to Puddies: Liam O'Ruairc is evidently far more sympathetic to the Provos than he is to the Officials. He dismisses the claims that they were a creation of Fianna Fail as a conspiracy theory. I've seen the articles he's written on the Provos for CPGB.

[Puddies]

I don't have time to respond to everything now (not sure I could even then), but I must point out to Puddies: Liam O'Ruairc is evidently far more sympathetic to the Provos than he is to the Officials. He dismisses the claims that they were a creation of Fianna Fail as a conspiracy theory. I've seen the articles he's written on the Provos for CPGB.Maybe thats true about O'Ruairc, I don't know to be honest; but that doesn't change the validity of the points he made in the article I referenced.

[BunyipDude]

Here are some articles he has written for CPGB which talk about the Provos:

http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/596/Ireland.htm

http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/582/ireland.htm

In the second one, his views include the following:

There has also been considerable debate about the role of Fianna Fail in financing the Provisionals and the extent to which the former was responsible for the development of the latter (see J O Brien The arms trial Dublin 2001). This remains highly speculative and cannot displace defence as the primary determinant in the formation of the organisation, and offers a conspiratorial, as opposed to a structural, rationale for the formation of the Provos. August 1969, not Fianna Fail machinations, was the central reason for the formation of the Provisional IRA.

The Provisionals were from the beginning in favour of forcing the suspension of Stormont as a major step towards ending the Orange state, whereas the Officials were in favour of retaining and reforming it...Their attitude towards the state, whether north or south, was revolutionary. Whereas the Officials concentrated on a reformist struggle for civil rights, the Provisionals were preparing to fight a revolutionary war of national liberation. The Officials' gradualist attitude and downgrading of armed struggle, even in the face of events in the north, drove many into the ranks of the Provisionals, despite their apparent conservative social attitudes. And it was in the working class nationalist areas of the north that the Provisionals found their strongest support, based on their promise of arms and militant action. By doing most of the fighting, they proved to have the most radical anti-imperialist position.

Their 1971-72 programme, Eire Nua (until its revision in 1979) sought "a balance between western individualistic capitalism, with its poor and hungry amid plenty, on the right, and eastern Soviet state capitalism (or any of its variations) with its denial of freedom and human rights, on the left"....Thus, while there would be public control over financial institutions and large industries, as well as an upper limit on the amount of land any individual could hold, nevertheless private enterprise would still have a role to play in the economy, but on a small scale. Economic development would be distributivist and cooperative in nature. The new Ireland would pursue an independent foreign policy, unaligned with power blocs such as Nato or the Warsaw Pact. Membership of the European Economic Community was also opposed. Finally measures would be set up to strengthen Irish language and culture...The countries the Provisionals were inspired by ranged from Tanzania to Switzerland and Denmark (see R O Bradaigh, interview APRN July 9 and 16 1976). Despite the "distributivist" nature of their programme, what was significant was that the Provisionals were then seeking a full alternative to the existing states rather than trying to reform them from within.

Here's another one by Jack Conrad:

http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/594/ireland%201.htm

Notice in this one:

13. The Provisionals were dismissed as rightwing nationalists. They were haughtily told to put aside the bomb and the bullet and blamed for the sectarianism that has characterised Northern Ireland from the beginning. IRA armed actions were condemned as ‘individual terrorism’. But the Provisionals were born in response to the galloping reformism of the Officials, who painted themselves as ‘Marxists’. That is what the Provisional republican movement rejected. They also won themselves a substantial base, which protected and supported IRA volunteers.

14. Under the pressure of events - and through mass recruitment of young catholic-nationalists - the Provisional republican movement soon came to reject its original anti-communism. The Provisionals refashioned themselves along the lines of a ‘third world’ national liberation movement. They claimed to be aiming for a socialist Ireland - after unity was achieved. They were never genuine socialists, however. That would have required the adoption of Marxist theory and a commitment to build a mass Communist Party.

[Vox Populi]

What's your point? The CPGB is not the same CPGB that had members involved in the RM in the 60s.

[BunyipDude]

What's your point? The CPGB is not the same CPGB that had members involved in the RM in the 60s.

We're talking about Liam O'Ruairc.

[Puddies]

We're talking about Liam O'Ruairc.I was talking about a specific article Liam O'Ruairc wrote and points he made in that article, not about the man himself.

[KillinSnakes]

Here's another one by Jack Conrad:


Conrad is hostile to Irish Republicans and if memory serves is in the pro-loyalist camp (calls loyalists the 'British Irish' :icon_lol: ).

Antoher faction of the CPGB, the Leninist tendency is pro-Republican Socialist.

[Puddies]

Here we go, fighting for Exxon and dying for Chevron, God Bless the USA!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8ZZf619DIpo&feature=related

[redflag32]

Why do these humble Marxist revolutionaries feel the need to be photographed with their favorite assault weapons in such obviously macho poses? Vox Populi told me I was a gun fetishist once, but don't a lot of these pics qualify as such?

Propaganda isnt always a bad thing. When we use the term it is usually in reference to right-wing propaganda but left wing propaganda is just as usefull to our struggle. Its an important part for any revolutionary movement and the "show of strenght" is not a sign of weakness or lack of politcal ideology,the very opposite infact.

[redflag32]

Moist over different types of ammo? You must be confusing that with the way you get moist just listening to yourself talk. And since when do you know ANYONE who is in the INLA, anyway?

I'm guessing that, like most "revolutionaries", you're some college student who has taken up Marxism out of an urge to feel rebellious and enlightened.

Obviously "guessing" isnt your fortay:hmmm:

[redflag32]

Nonetheless, I sure do love being a decadent capitalist youth who can laugh at the poor Belfast scum like yourself. Anyway, get back to fighting for your revolution or whatever.

ahhhh "decadent" indeed. Im amused at your reasoning, to think that describing yourself as appealing to self-indulgence is something that puts you above us. Self-indulgence describes you down to the ground indeed.

[BunyipDude]

I was talking about a specific article Liam O'Ruairc wrote and points he made in that article, not about the man himself.

I understand. But I just figured it was relevant to indicate his broader perspective on the Provos.

[BunyipDude]

ahhhh "decadent" indeed. Im amused at your reasoning, to think that describing yourself as appealing to self-indulgence is something that puts you above us. Self-indulgence describes you down to the ground indeed.

Yep. That's alright, though.

[redflag32]

[QUOTE=BunyipDude;30075] There are many groups of terrorist thugs in the world that love to brandish guns and act tough...so why are the Irish Republicans unique in that respect?[QUOTE]


I suppose unlike the bush administration, Irish republican "terrorists" have as their purpose an end to national and international injustice, an end to poverty, an end to discrimination of all kinds, an end to slave labour,an end to the drugs trade etc..whilst your bunch of terrorists need all of the above to stay in business!

[redflag32]

I also do not want anyone from my country, especially a bunch of neocon tools, arguing that the IRA's "struggle" is justified while simultaneously supporting our involvement in Iraq.

Good point!

[redflag32]

1972? That's three years after the pogroms had begun. It's what happened in '69 that mattered, and back then, the leadership that would become the Officials were refusing to put guns in the volunteers' hands.

I beleve the Officials stance was taken out of fear of being drawn into a sectarian war with protestants in the north,this was basically proven correct from what happened once the northern defenders (provies) armed themselves and eventually went on the offencive.

[redflag32]

I don't get it...You guys are basically saying that the Republic preferred the Provos to the Officials because they considered them less of a threat to the Republic's interests?

Thats exactly it, i dont know what books you have been reading,but for this to be a surprise implies they are not the right books. This is not only a widely held belief but has been proven on a few different occasions.


I'm sure you would all argue that the Republic was then and always has been dependent upon British capitalism, so why would they want to undermine it by funding a group that was determined to destroy the system?

The provo's wanted to end partition, not capitalism. Middle class nationalism only wanted an equal 6 counties, or seats in stormont,when it got this they split from the main republican bloc and this was the beginning of the marginalisation of the provo's from the people i believe. The free state was in favour of the provos taking charge in the seperatist movement simply because it knew its tactics would fizzle out and a comprimise would have to be arrived at. A working class movement will not stop for no comprimise,this is what they feared.


I think if anyone in the Republic gave assistance to the Provos, it had more to do with the sympathy they felt towards their fellow Catholics who were perceived as defenseless and the Goulding leadership's perceived inability to do anything about it.

Thats only one aspect to it.

[Puddies]

I understand. But I just figured it was relevant to indicate his broader perspective on the Provos.Fair enough, I thought the points made in the article were relevant to the already off-topic discussion we were having. But anyway whats YOUR prespective on the Provos? You've called them both "tribalists" and Marxists...those two characterizations stand in contradiction with each other.

[BunyipDude]

Fair enough, I thought the points made in the article were relevant to the already off-topic discussion we were having. But anyway whats YOUR prespective on the Provos? You've called them both "tribalists" and Marxists...those two characterizations stand in contradiction with each other.

I haven't called the Provos Marxists. They have said themselves that they aren't Marxists. I have said that they support a form of non-Marxist "democratic socialism" (which I realize some people claim is non-existent).

As a Marxist, don't you see their form of Republicanism as bourgeoisie nationalism? I certainly think they're often quite tribal even if they don't intend to be (and I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on that part).

[KillinSnakes]

I don't have time to respond to everything now (not sure I could even then), but I must point out to Puddies: Liam O'Ruairc is evidently far more sympathetic to the Provos than he is to the Officials. He dismisses the claims that they were a creation of Fianna Fail as a conspiracy theory. I've seen the articles he's written on the Provos for CPGB.

Sorry, I'd missed this before.

I'm a personal friend of Liam's, and no, he is not exactly sympathetic to the Provos. He does make a scholarly effort to understand what created them: catholic defenderism. It's necessary to get past the mask of ideology and slogans to understand what a movement is objectively.

[BunyipDude]

Sorry, I'd missed this before.

I'm a personal friend of Liam's, and no, he is not exactly sympathetic to the Provos. He does make a scholarly effort to understand what created them: catholic defenderism. It's necessary to get past the mask of ideology and slogans to understand what a movement is objectively.

I said he is MORE sympathetic to them than the Officials. That doesn't mean he's a Provo supporter, just that he doesn't see them the same way some other IRSPers do.

He certainly does not see them as a creation of the Republic, which is what some people have argued, and that is why I figured I would bring up the subject.

[Puddies]

I haven't called the Provos Marxists. They have said themselves that they aren't Marxists. I have said that they support a form of non-Marxist "democratic socialism" (which I realize some people claim is non-existent).

As a Marxist, don't you see their form of Republicanism as bourgeoisie nationalism? I certainly think they're often quite tribal even if they don't intend to be (and I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on that part).I see the Provisionals as petite-bourgeois nationalists.

[BunyipDude]

I see the Provisionals as petite-bourgeois nationalists.

Fair enough.

[mickyk200]

I see the Provisionals as petite-bourgeois nationalists.
They call it social democracy but 6 a one half a dozen of the other =/

[redflag32]

He certainly does not see them as a creation of the Republic, which is what some people have argued, and that is why I figured I would bring up the subject.

Either your misquoting someone or the person who said "the provos are a creation of the free state" worded their argument the wrong way. The provos are a direct result of the sectarian state that is "northern Ireland". It was the inbuilt sectarianism that created them,what ive seen people say on here though is that the free state PREFARED them to the left republicans and did infact try and use them to squash the Marxists within the republican movement.

[Puddies]

They call it social democracy but 6 a one half a dozen of the other =/Lol yeah, but in other words they're petite-bourgeois.

[comrade jsams]

I like there uniforms and arms.

UP THE INLA

[mickyk200]

Lol yeah, but in other words they're petite-bourgeois.
yea thats the point I was making
"6 of one half a dozen of the other" same thing different name

[BunyipDude]

Either your misquoting someone or the person who said "the provos are a creation of the free state" worded their argument the wrong way. The provos are a direct result of the sectarian state that is "northern Ireland". It was the inbuilt sectarianism that created them,what ive seen people say on here though is that the free state PREFARED them to the left republicans and did infact try and use them to squash the Marxists within the republican movement.

But why? Why would the Republic be afraid of a bunch of reformists who were largely non-violent, as opposed to an insurrectionist group that was determined to bomb and shoot its way to a 32-county socialist republic? At the end of the day, it also seems clear that the government of the Republic still sees the Provos as radical leftists. For the average quiet, Catholic southerner, trying to distinguish between one group that calls itself "democratic socialist" and another that calls itself "Marxist" is meaningless.

Even if you don't think the Provos would have succeeded in creating a 32-county socialist republic, they clearly saw that as their goal, and they said so repeatedly.

[Vox Populi]

The Republican Movement had already declared its opposition to sectarianism in the 60s and was actively involved in NICRA, this coupled with the mass protests and demonstrations in Dublin over issues such as housing posed a very serious threat for the first time in Irish history of a mass workers movement coming to fruition.

The earliest contacts were made in Feb. 1969 between those who founded the Provos and the Freestaters. The contacts were made, the money was offered and so were the arms.

They needed to revive the old sectarianism and traditionalism that plagued the RM in the past. The Provos were a creation of the government and now they are the government.

[BunyipDude]

The Republican Movement had already declared its opposition to sectarianism in the 60s and was actively involved in NICRA, this coupled with the mass protests and demonstrations in Dublin over issues such as housing posed a very serious threat for the first time in Irish history of a mass workers movement coming to fruition.

:icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol:

[Vox Populi]

I didn't say that. :)

[BunyipDude]

I didn't say that. :)

Yes, but you do realize how absurd it sounds, right? To suggest that the Republic was actually afraid of the Officials?

[Vox Populi]

Who said that?

What I said was that there a serious threat of a mass workers movement coming to fruitation.

[BunyipDude]

Who said that?

What I said was that there a serious threat of a mass workers movement coming to fruitation.

Isn't that pretty much the same thing, since the Officials were seen as behind this movement according to you? I don't understand...

[Vox Populi]

What's the use debating with you. You've consistently got your arse kicked by working class scum.

[BunyipDude]

What's the use debating with you. You've consistently got your arse kicked by working class scum.

Just explain it to me...that's all.

[redflag32]

Just explain it to me...that's all.

Your neither clever, or intelligent!

[redflag32]

[QUOTE]But why? Why would the Republic be afraid of a bunch of reformists who were largely non-violent, as opposed to an insurrectionist group that was determined to bomb and shoot its way to a 32-county socialist republic?

Your showing here that you are only out for an argument because you know very well why the elite fear revoutionary movements of the left. To ask that question shows that you are not interested in debating but only in stirring crap on here. To try and pretend to us that the consequences of a class war are not something you are read on is really taking liberty with our intelligence. Your fooling nobody. Again i repeat that the establishment feared the move to the left within republicanism at that time, even if your assumption that the IRA at that time were reformist and basically non-violent was true, the establishment still had concern for the possibility that the republican movement could complete this move to the left if left to its own devices,hence they backed the nationalists who were NEVER in favour of class struggle to smash the left republicans frm the outset.


At the end of the day, it also seems clear that the government of the Republic still sees the Provos as radical leftists.

Clear? You think the establishment would allow any radicals into government in any part of Ireland? It's an absurdity to suggest such a thing in the face of blatant evidence that it isnt so.




Even if you don't think the Provos would have succeeded in creating a 32-county socialist republic, they clearly saw that as their goal, and they said so repeatedly.

No they didnt,they had a fling with socialism in the 70's or 80's thats it. Aams is quoted as saying their are no Marxists in SF. Ive watched him many times in interviews get uneasy when the word socialism was brought up, he usually starts spouting some crap about equality at this point and moves quickly on. The goal of the provos as stated by the vast majority of its vol's then and noand which you can find on any google search was BRITS OUT! You know this though, because only an idiot wouldnt understand this basic fact, is that what you are?

[Puddies]

Isn't that pretty much the same thing, since the Officials were seen as behind this movement according to you? I don't understand...The Officials were never the labor movement...

[BunyipDude]

Redflag is evidently upset about something. Guess it's that time of the month...

The Officials were never the labor movement...

I know that. But they were involved? Isn't that what Vox is saying by implying that the British government wanted to shut them down for this reason?

I also never said the Provos are Marxists. They said themselves they aren't. Marxists are not the only types of socialists. There's African socialism, Arab socialism, Labor Zionism, etc. The Provos supported non-Marxist socialism for Ireland. But either way, their radical tendencies, coupled with their willingness to use violence, could not have made them less threatening to Fianna Fail than the Officials.

[comrade jsams]

Are the officials still around today?

[KillinSnakes]

Are the officials still around today?

they are. politically moribound, though. alledgedly involved in money laundering with the DPR Korea.

[BunyipDude]

they are. politically moribound, though. alledgedly involved in money laundering with the DPR Korea.

Basically, they've become a criminal gang, it seems. Which tends to happen to almost every paramilitary group in Northern Ireland once they decide their "war" is over.

[KillinSnakes]

Basically, they've become a criminal gang, it seems. Which tends to happen to almost every paramilitary group in Northern Ireland once they decide their "war" is over.

Not the Irish National Liberation Army... but then their war isn't over.

[mickyk200]

Correct me if I am wrong but do the INLA not acknowledge the GFA and they are on a ceasefire. No offensive action that breaks their no first strike policy...?

[BunyipDude]

Not the Irish National Liberation Army... but then their war isn't over.

I've heard accusations that INLA members have also been involved in crime.

[mickyk200]

I've heard accusations that INLA members have also been involved in crime.
If heard accusations of trolling by one american member. . .

[BunyipDude]

If heard accusations of trolling by one american member. . .

Right, but my understanding is that the INLA even acknowledged it.

[mickyk200]

I heard accusations what the f*ck? i heard accusations that doesn't make sense.

[Vox Populi]

I've heard accusations that INLA members have also been involved in crime.Evidence?

[BunyipDude]

Evidence?

Well, it looks as though you and Micky have been arguing about it here:

http://irishrepublican.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4787&page=17

[mickyk200]

Well, it looks as though you and Micky have been arguing about it here:

http://irishrepublican.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4787&page=17
Yea but at least I admitted I explained my reasoning. . .

[Vox Populi]

Well, it looks as though you and Micky have been arguing about it here:

http://irishrepublican.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4787&page=17
Is that your evidence?

[BunyipDude]

Is that your evidence?

You always say this. It is not a matter of "evidence"; it is a matter of the fact that I have heard other people mention it. I can't tell you specifically where because it is only something I have heard in passing. Since I assume you know as much about this as anyone, you are fully capable of doing a search for articles which mention the alleged criminality of INLA members (and certainly, IPLO members). Wikipedia is as good as any.

[tom42191]

I wouldn't go by wikipedia all the time. For about a month during my freshmen year Wikipedia said that James Connor trained the Red Baron,James Connor was my art teacher.

[BunyipDude]

I wouldn't go by wikipedia all the time. For about a month during my freshmen year Wikipedia said that James Connor trained the Red Baron,James Connor was my art teacher.

Still trying to be a know-it-all who thinks he can argue with grown-ups, huh? Thank you for stating something really obvious, Tommy Boy.

[tom42191]

I'm just stating that Wikipedia is not the most reliable of sources. I really don't know what your problem is,do you not have anything better to do then troll a forum looking for arguments and ****ing people off. You have got some serious superiority complex issues.Go put your pecker in the snow and cool off. I've said my peace and will not dignify any of your posts with responses.

[redflag32]

[QUOTE]Redflag is evidently upset about something. Guess it's that time of the month...

You upset a girl can beat you in an open and honest debate? Looks like somebodies intellect doesnt stretch farther than sly digs and personal insults. Atleast your owning up to it though! Now any chance you can discuss my replies to your post?

[Connollista]

Accusations that rebels are involved in "criminal activity" (usually drug-running) is an old propaganda tactic. I don't trust British claims that the INLA is involved in such things any more than I believe them when they call Bobby Sands a "terrorist."

Besides, if you want to see how the INLA comrades deal with criminals, you need but to look on this very forum (http://www.irishrepublican.net/forum/showthread.php?t=6327).

[BunyipDude]

You upset a girl can beat you in an open and honest debate? Looks like somebodies intellect doesnt stretch farther than sly digs and personal insults. Atleast your owning up to it though! Now any chance you can discuss my replies to your post?

I would if it wasn't for the fact that your "intelligent" posts accused me of saying things I never said at all...when you accused me of claiming the Provos were Marxist, for instance. Like quite a few people on this forum, it seems you can't read. Maybe you should go back and read them much more carefully before you explode into one of your feminine hissy-fits.

[greektzon]

http://http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/1985/wartime03ly8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[BunyipDude]

http://http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/1985/wartime03ly8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

What the hell? Why are they outside holding guns when they should be in the kitchen cooking steak for their husbands?

[greektzon]

What the hell? Why are they outside holding guns when they should be in the kitchen cooking steak for their husbands?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5d69kgN53Y

[Puddies]

I would if it wasn't for the fact that your "intelligent" posts accused me of saying things I never said at all...when you accused me of claiming the Provos were Marxist, for instance. Like quite a few people on this forum, it seems you can't read. Maybe you should go back and read them much more carefully before you explode into one of your feminine hissy-fits.So clutch at straws then, try to deflect attention away from the essence of the (off)topic and turn it into an argument about whether or not you said something that is irrelevant to the issue at hand.

So let's say you didn't claim the Provos were Marxist, care to address any other points?

[IndependentNationalist]

nice pictures..i like the inla...but come on.....have they gone a bit off the road with the whole criminality thing?

[Vox Populi]

have they gone a bit off the road with the whole criminality thing?What's that?

[CELTICGUERILLA]

What the hell? Why are they outside holding guns when they should be in the kitchen cooking steak for their husbands?

I hope something terrible happens to you, I really do.

[BunyipDude]

I hope something terrible happens to you, I really do.

I know. It's alright. As long as you're on here being angry at me and not killing people in real life, it's all good.

[BunyipDude]

So clutch at straws then, try to deflect attention away from the essence of the (off)topic and turn it into an argument about whether or not you said something that is irrelevant to the issue at hand.

So let's say you didn't claim the Provos were Marxist, care to address any other points?

My point is that her entire argument against me is based upon mis-interpretations of things I actually said. I want her to go back and re-read before she runs her gigantic mouth any more.

BTW, I realize RedFlag may or may not be a "she", but I will continue to refer to RedFlag as "she" because only somebody with PMS would talk that way to somebody as wonderful as myself.

[redflag32]

[QUOTE]My point is that her entire argument against me is based upon mis-interpretations of things I actually said. I want her to go back and re-read before she runs her gigantic mouth any more.

Hmm ok maybe you havent noticed but while your involved in a debate with someone on cyber space it kinda goes like this. You reply to someones thread by quoting sections you would like to agree or disagree on then this person quotes your reply and does the same,it goes on like this untill someone blatantly breaks the rules to try and get away from the fact that they are incapable of debating in a coherent and respectfull manner I.E. exactly what you have done here.

Im afraid its your turn to quote sections of my reply to you which you dont agree on,if you think i mis-quoted you then its your job and turn to show this. I have no problem apologising if i did, everyone here knows im well capable of admitting i was wrong,are you?

Puddies was correct in the analysis of your reply to me, you have completely ignored the substance of my threads towards you and you have tried to drag this into a personal slagging match,a tactic you use regularly on here.

So lets be grown ups and debate this honestly and openly,with out any personal insults? Id like you to reply to this part of my thread and honestly answer me if you are willing to be grown up in discussion or not. Are we to keep seeing the usual tactics deployed by yourself or are you going to atleast try and debate with us properly?

BTW, I realize RedFlag may or may not be a "she", but I will continue to refer to RedFlag as "she" because only somebody with PMS would talk that way to somebody as wonderful as myself.

Im neither,whats your point?

[Éire32CS]

nice pictures..i like the inla...but come on.....have they gone a bit off the road with the whole criminality thing?

And after a quick glance towards your preferred standing, I can put away my Free State media rant again.

[designedtoexpire]

edited by JPL.

[redflag32]

If you PM Mellows he will be able to get you in, but only if you know the secret password...........it's "tits" by the way...keep that under your hat!

[on_remand]

I would like to know about volunteering for the RIRA. I am a not an Irish national, however I would like to know of the possibilities of joining the movement. Should someone have accurate answers to this inquiry, I would prefer to be contacted via e-mail.


designedtoexpire@gmail.com

holy toledo batman!

[designedtoexpire]

PM Mellow. was this a response directed to the inqury about volunteering

[designedtoexpire]

PM Mellow. was this a response directed to the inquiry about volunteering

[redflag32]

Im joking, please dont pm mellows. HAHAHA.

[designedtoexpire]

Is this a kind of playground for children of wich, find it somehow romantic, the idea of rebellion. A sincere reply would be appreciated from someone of a credible nature

[on_remand]

anyway, back on topic

[on_remand]

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3887/inlafe4.jpg

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8203/inla2od1.jpg

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/9022/inlathepeoplesarmyld0.jpg

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/3416/derryinlayn6.jpg

[redflag32]

Third one down is nice :)

[MarkyMark]

Is this a kind of playground for children of wich, find it somehow romantic, the idea of rebellion. A sincere reply would be appreciated from someone of a credible nature

I dont think you should go around on the internet asking how to sign up and fight for the RIRA. especially not wise for an American.

for more info on the RIRA and the 32CSM go to the 32 County Sovereignty Movement section or alternatively http://www.32csm.info

[RSF-Fianoglach]

designed to expire you have go to howth head at 1:30am next saturday morning if your serious about volunteering,someone will meet you there wear a red jumper.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

the whole brit combat bottoms and black leather bomber jacket is so 1988,get with the times INLA,lol

[designedtoexpire]

Tomas. location is currently outside of Eireann. must one be in ireland to enlist? state? town? designedtoexpire@gmail.com

[on_remand]

Tomas. location is currently outside of Eireann. must one be in ireland to enlist? state? town? designedtoexpire@gmail.com

u from melbourne?

[Hoops1888]

Tomas. location is currently outside of Eireann.



Dáil Éireann??

[on_remand]

Dáil Éireann??

the critter :icon_lol:

[designedtoexpire]

Tha mi a Alba agus a hEireann. Tha sinn a dol a hEireann an-drasda.

[redflag32]

the whole brit combat bottoms and black leather bomber jacket is so 1988,get with the times INLA,lol

Bomber jackets are not leather. Also that pic is probably taken close to the date you specified.

[QuinnP]

Is it just me or is there something REALLY SEXY about a man with an assault rifle

(kiss kiss)

[DublinRepublican]

Is it just me or is there something REALLY SEXY about a man with an assault rifle

(kiss kiss)

Are you serious?? Aye war is 'sexy':confused:. **** ive heard it all now.

[eghzarw]

Is it just me or is there something REALLY SEXY about a man with an assault rifle

(kiss kiss)

Care to explain just what exactly you mean by this? :(

[RSF-Fianoglach]

Is it just me or is there something REALLY SEXY about a man with an assault rifle

(kiss kiss)

this is a classic case of romanticising the cause assault rifles cause severe damage,one 7.62mm round would blow your head clean off.

[East Tyrone]

this is a classic case of romanticising the cause assault rifles cause severe damage,one 7.62mm round would blow your head clean off.

What, sheared right off at the neck Tomas; like the time in Nam when your buddy Skeeter's head ended up in your knor chicken noodle soup?

[wherenow]

What, sheared right off at the neck Tomas; like the time in Nam when your buddy Skeeter's head ended up in your knor chicken noodle soup?

Tá brón orm RSF-Fianoglach ach is an ghreanmhar é sin. :icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol:

[Eilish]

I'm not a Republican, or a Loyalist. I'm a capitalist overlord. Why would I sympathize with people who are beneath me? I like Sinn Fein only because I am happy they sold you fools out, and therefore made it safe for capitalism to continue in Ireland so that I can stay rich. They are still terrorist scum, as far as I am concerned.
I draw your attention to your profile:
Location: United States, the beacon of civilization and democracy

:icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol:

Tanks 4 the larf... sad wee troll moron Your attempt at a windup is dismissed... due to ur delusional state of mind:icon_lol: A lead sandwich would be too lofty a fate for you... i say continue making a fool of urself for our entertainment...

Oh and ur biography is slightly entertaining tho depressingly predictable as follows:
'I'm white, from the Southern U.S. but a Northern elitist at heart, and I despise tribal sentiments.'

Ah yes grandiose delusions in AmeriKKKa... how predictable... Tribal sentiments?? Lord of Genocide are ye now...

[mickyk200]

I draw your attention to your profile:
Location: United States, the beacon of civilization and democracy

:icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol:

Tanks 4 the larf... sad wee troll moron Your attempt at a windup is dismissed... due to ur delusional state of mind:icon_lol: A lead sandwich would be too lofty a fate for you... i say continue making a fool of urself for our entertainment...

Oh and ur biography is slightly entertaining tho depressingly predictable as follows:
'I'm white, from the Southern U.S. but a Northern elitist at heart, and I despise tribal sentiments.'

Ah yes grandiose delusions in AmeriKKKa... how predictable... Tribal sentiments?? Lord of Genocide are ye now...
he's barred anyway chara

[QuinnP]

well then, I guess getting shot wouldn't hurt then.

(Sue me. I have an overload of hormones)

[QuinnP]

War is not sexy. War is hideous. I hate war. Ick ick ick.

A nice butt in cammo pants with an assault rifle as long as its not pointed at me, is kind of sexy.

[comrade jsams]

Question when did the IRA and INAL or any other group start wearing skimask as part of there uniform.An other thing did just the IRA dump arms or did the INLA. I am a big supporter of the INLA. I am from USA so I don't know the whole story. I know that INLA called a ceasfire that is about it.IF any one could give me some more infor that would be great.

[derryirp]

Question when did the IRA and INAL or any other group start wearing skimask as part of there uniform.An other thing did just the IRA dump arms or did the INLA. I am a big supporter of the INLA. I am from USA so I don't know the whole story. I know that INLA called a ceasfire that is about it.IF any one could give me some more infor that would be great.

The Provisional IRA decommissioned all weapons at the behest of the Unionists and the British. The INLA called a ceasefire in 1998 but has said numerous times that they would never give up their arms.

[SanPatricio]

The Provisional IRA decommissioned all weapons at the behest of the Unionists and the British. The INLA called a ceasefire in 1998 but has said numerous times that they would never give up their arms.

The provo's, under Adams direction surrendered their arms to pro-british forces. The future is for those that will not accept surrender. their are some that still believe a united Ireland is still a possibility. Unfortunately, Adams and the Donaldson types are now policing you. Fortunately not everyone has fallen for the con game. Time for the provisionals to be banished and legitimate republicans to assume the mantle. I feel pity more than anything else for the likes of Adams and Mcguinness, what forced your hand? Did they threaten your families?? Must have been awful, to see ye now enforcing British rule in Ulster. God bless Bobby Sands.

[Seán1798]

Must have been awful, to see ye now enforcing British rule in Ulster. God bless Bobby Sands.

The British don't rule Ulster. God bless the understanding of Irish geography. May heaven preserve the names of our Heroes from being used by those who don't grasp it.

[wrestler313]

i know i'm late on this, but bunyipdude is a sad example of a person with no life who uses message boards to generate meaning in his existence;please do not use him as an example for all americans who are of irish descent/have a penchant for irish history

[mickyk200]

i know i'm late on this, but bunyipdude is a sad example of a person with no life who uses message boards to generate meaning in his existence;please do not use him as an example for all americans who are of irish descent/have a penchant for irish history
We don't mo chara. We have our own a*seholes ya can be sure ;)

[Davey2]

I would like to know about volunteering for the RIRA. I am a not an Irish national, however I would like to know of the possibilities of joining the movement. Should someone have accurate answers to this inquiry, I would prefer to be contacted via e-mail.


designedtoexpire@gmail.com

http://www.oddpic.com/data/520/medium/dont-worry-im-from-the-internet.jpg

In all seriousness dont be asking to join up on the net, and you'd need a fair long range rifle to work from america lol

[MatthewTirEoghain]

does the INLA have a traditional dress code??

And does it have an army council??

And.........how did they get to paint entrance to HBlocks??

Did they ever have any run-ins with provos?

[mickyk200]

does the INLA have a traditional dress code??
Like any good guerrilla army. No they don't. Balaclava and then it's up to yourself to accesorize. lol

And does it have an army council??
I don't think they have one main leadership body. If they do it's not called an army council.

And.........how did they get to paint entrance to HBlocks??
No idea bout that one.

Did they ever have any run-ins with provos?
Occasionally, they never feuded or anything.

[LDN_Irish]

does the INLA have a traditional dress code??

And does it have an army council??

And.........how did they get to paint entrance to HBlocks??

Did they ever have any run-ins with provos?

In "Ten Men Dead" there is mention of the INLA Army Council. Something along the lines of "The INLA Army Council wouldn't let the IRA negotiate for them [during the hunger strikes] because they were worried they wouldn't get segregation from the Provos."