Fight Racism! No to Anti Irish Racism March.

[ártybhoy]

No to Anti Irish Racism March.
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[BunyipDude]

Personally, I think the Republicans could do a better job proving their anti-racist positions if they would get back out on the streets and protect all the immigrants in Northern Ireland who are being attacked and threatened by Loyalists. Their relative silence on the matter so far is a little disappointing.

[Nijinsky]

Personally, I think the Republicans could do a better job proving their anti-racist positions if they would get back out on the streets and protect all the immigrants in Northern Ireland who are being attacked and threatened by Loyalists. Their relative silence on the matter so far is a little disappointing.

In fairness buny, I think you'll find that most if not all Republican groups have been fairly vocal in opposing such racism. I dont know where you came up with your "relative silence" from

[BunyipDude]

In fairness buny, I think you'll find that most if not all Republican groups have been fairly vocal in opposing such racism. I dont know where you came up with your "relative silence" from

When the Loyalists start attacking Catholics, the PIRA comes into existence and goes to war. When Loyalists start attacking other minorities, no guns come out in their defense. I'd think the Republicans (Provos, Contos, Reals, whoever) would be sympathetic enough to offer protection against those scumbags.

This is not to say they won't; just that they haven't yet.

[broche]

When the Loyalists start attacking Catholics, the PIRA comes into existence and goes to war. When Loyalists start attacking other minorities, no guns come out in their defense. I'd think the Republicans (Provos, Contos, Reals, whoever) would be sympathetic enough to offer protection against those scumbags
it would be hard to protect people living in loyalist areas

[BunyipDude]

it would be hard to protect people living in loyalist areas

We're talking about guys who were once willing to face down Loyalists at the Short Strand when they were outnumbered 100 to 1, and yet they're unwilling to send a few lads with guns up to the homes of immigrants in the same circumstances?

[broche]

We're talking about guys who were once willing to face down Loyalists at the Short Strand when they were outnumbered 100 to 1, and yet they're unwilling to send a few lads with guns up to the homes of immigrants in the same circumstances?
the short strand is a Catholic area, we would be talking about individual houses located in loyalist areas big differance

[BunyipDude]

the short strand is a Catholic area, we would be talking about individual houses located in loyalist areas big differance

I realize that, but it's still not exactly overwhelmingly scary odds, that's the point. At the very least, they should loan them the guns even if they don't want to be out there themselves.

[Vox Populi]

Shouldn't they just all goto the police?.....

[conghaileach]

Personally, I think the Republicans could do a better job proving their anti-racist positions if they would get back out on the streets and protect all the immigrants in Northern Ireland who are being attacked and threatened by Loyalists. Their relative silence on the matter so far is a little disappointing.


If you were willing to give a lead on this then others might be persuaded to follow.

[Nijinsky]

I realize that, but it's still not exactly overwhelmingly scary odds, that's the point. At the very least, they should loan them the guns even if they don't want to be out there themselves.


Why? Have they looked for the loan of guns?

[BunyipDude]

If you were willing to give a lead on this then others might be persuaded to follow.

That'd be rather difficult considering I live in the States.

[Mellows1922]

That'd be rather difficult considering I live in the States.

nail on head

[BunyipDude]

Why? Have they looked for the loan of guns?

Well, I don't think they're using them for any better purposes right now. Might as well.

[Nijinsky]

Well, I don't think they're using them for any better purposes right now. Might as well.

So thats a No I take it?

[BunyipDude]

So thats a No I take it?

Well, they don't seem terribly happy with how the PSNI is handling things, either.

[Nijinsky]

Well, they don't seem terribly happy with how the PSNI is handling things, either.

I doubt they are, but its a big leap to take (without any evidence to the contrary)to suggest that they are looking for the IRA of any variety to loan them weapons.

[duggie-89]

Well, I don't think they're using them for any better purposes right now. Might as well.

lad what r u on??? a loan of the guns, what do u think they wud do wit thoses guns?? us them for nothing more than protect themseleves in an area where their outnumber and which will surly result in deaths!!! and it will only make the immigrants a "threat" to the loyalsitr community, which will result in more and more and harsher and harsher attacks on their home and community.

n u honestly expect a republican group of what ever bview poiint to simply loan guns to ppl who haven't proved there worth n cant truly b trusted wit guns

[KillinSnakes]

Personally, I think the Republicans could do a better job proving their anti-racist positions if they would get back out on the streets and protect all the immigrants in Northern Ireland who are being attacked and threatened by Loyalists. Their relative silence on the matter so far is a little disappointing.

I know the IRSP (and at least a few instances, SF) have been vocal on this issue and active on the ground working with immigrant workers.

Keep in mind that there's quite a bit going on in communities that you wouldn't be aware of on the net.

[BunyipDude]

I doubt they are, but its a big leap to take (without any evidence to the contrary)to suggest that they are looking for the IRA of any variety to loan them weapons.

But don't you think it would be an encouraging sign that the Republican movement is prepared to stand up to ANY form of discrimination coming from the Loyalists, not simply that directed at Catholics and nationalists?

lad what r u on??? a loan of the guns, what do u think they wud do wit thoses guns?? us them for nothing more than protect themseleves in an area where their outnumber and which will surly result in deaths!!! and it will only make the immigrants a "threat" to the loyalsitr community, which will result in more and more and harsher and harsher attacks on their home and community.

n u honestly expect a republican group of what ever bview poiint to simply loan guns to ppl who haven't proved there worth n cant truly b trusted wit guns

Dude, think about what you are saying here...the Provos and their campaign came into existence entirely because they didn't give a damn about being seen as a "threat" to the unionists and loyalists, who were already attacking their people. If you really consider yourself a Republican, you might as well be condemning the Provos' entire campaign as it emerged from the get-go.

[Nijinsky]

Buny: But don't you think it would be an encouraging sign that the Republican movement is prepared to stand up to ANY form of discrimination coming from the Loyalists, not simply that directed at Catholics and nationalists?

Who said they (whichever Republicna Movement you are talking about) arent standing up to it? Or you are saying they should take military action? And if you think they are, do you think it wise for an armed group to take defensive action on behalf of a community that doesnt want and didnt ask for its milkitary assistance? You realise the difference between what happened in places like the Short Strand back in the early days do you? You know there is no comparison dont you?

[Lobo1888]

Immigrants are potential voters, republicans are their natural ally since the huns are largely bunch of nazi pigs.

[belfast rep]

I know the IRSP (and at least a few instances, SF) have been vocal on this issue and active on the ground working with immigrant workers.

Keep in mind that there's quite a bit going on in communities that you wouldn't be aware of on the net.

if you that SF acted only in a few instances then you don't know a lot, they have been addressing aggressively all racism. organising many events and pickets. and assisting immigrant workers and their organistions on a daily basis.

[jester2207]

republicans do, are problems are not sinoamous with Erin, these are problems that all of us face as human beings, i cant and wont speak for everybuddy but as a Republican/Provie/Fienner in the states, were conwicdently i can go out into the street and shout IRA till i die and not have to worry that the pigs/RUC/What ever they changed there name to this week too shoot me/throw me in jail away from me wee ones, so it real easy for us to say stop, this isnt right. but as long as there is injuctice and slavery in the world the RA and people/keyword will continue the fight, fighting does not always have to take place with guns and fist, its done in the mind, it done threw schools,movies book etc, just saying what you belive to some one who doesnt agree is fighting. my children are half black and IRA, i too have met Hewy P Newton and Bobby Seals, know all about racism, make your stand, others will follow, but keep in mind it easy for us here to judge what others should or should not do where they cant openly claim there alligance and fly there flag that we so freelly can, and i believe that is the point. Erin Shaor

[mickyk200]

Immigrants are potential voters, republicans are their natural ally since the huns are largely bunch of nazi pigs.
Yeoo!
well said!

[FreeSouthCarolina]

Are y'all talking legal or illegal immigrants?

[mickyk200]

Are y'all talking legal or illegal immigrants?
No, eastern europeans. They are entitled to be here because we are a member of the European Union.

[Takeshi]

Immigrants are potential voters, republicans are their natural ally since the huns are largely bunch of nazi pigs.

This may be true, but Sinn Fein has totally ignored the negative effects of huge numbers of immigrants on the working classes in Ireland. There have been a number of companies laying off workers in order to replace them with agency workers from eastern europe. It creates a massive downward pressure on wages that is only going to harm people who had already had a difficult time making ends meet.

[mickyk200]

This may be true, but Sinn Fein has totally ignored the negative effects of huge numbers of immigrants on the working classes in Ireland. There have been a number of companies laying off workers in order to replace them with agency workers from eastern europe. It creates a massive downward pressure on wages that is only going to harm people who had already had a difficult time making ends meet.
That is not the case at all...it is almost impossible for a company to sack a full-time employee for an immigrant. Due to ledgslation and commissions we have here, part-time work is differnt though.

[KillinSnakes]

if you that SF acted only in a few instances then you don't know a lot, they have been addressing aggressively all racism. organising many events and pickets. and assisting immigrant workers and their organistions on a daily basis.

If my post wasn't clear, let me explain further - I was only speaking on what I was aware of. I didn't mean to suggest it was limited to that, only what I knew of.

I personally know SF members who are active in the workers movement and play a leading role in unions, but I don't know a lot about their concrete day to day activities.

[KillinSnakes]

This may be true, but Sinn Fein has totally ignored the negative effects of huge numbers of immigrants on the working classes in Ireland. There have been a number of companies laying off workers in order to replace them with agency workers from eastern europe. It creates a massive downward pressure on wages that is only going to harm people who had already had a difficult time making ends meet.

Why the concern for one section of the working class and not another?

There's many problems with what you say - for one, the increase in workers has actually caused the economy to expand. There is less compeition for jobs then there used to be when there was little immigration to Ireland, actually.

[OCoinnigh]

Personally, I think the Republicans could do a better job proving their anti-racist positions if they would get back out on the streets and protect all the immigrants in Northern Ireland who are being attacked and threatened by Loyalists. Their relative silence on the matter so far is a little disappointing.

Personally, I lived in the United States for 4 years in Florida. In Ireland we aren't as obsessed with racism here as the Americans are. The funny thing is all they do is talk about it. They don't do anything about. What's funny is I lived in a yuppie subdivision in Orlando and everybody that lived there were professionals. A bunch of snobby liberals, but do you think they felt bad about all the illegal Mexicans building their houses and mowing their grass. NO they didn't. So its all a bunch of talk. Since bunny's over their in the states maybe you could go to some of the inner city ghetto's over there and help some of those people. I know they face all kinds of racism.

[Seabird]

buny,

Personally, I think the Republicans could do a better job proving their anti-racist positions if they would get back out on the streets and protect all the immigrants in Northern Ireland who are being attacked and threatened by Loyalists. Their relative silence on the matter so far is a little disappointing.

As big as the problem is in America you say this????? :icon_lol: Street vigilantes do nothing more than create more problems to the already existing problem, imho that is not the answer. We as a human race teach others to hate, by our very own actions; we become a product of our environment. To end this problem it should always start at home, teaching our children that all people are created equal no matter gender, ethnicity, religious, sexual preference, etc group one falls under. Our children act out because of our own actions around them, it is a learned lesson. People are not born with a chip on the shoulder for their fellow man, it is created and nurtured through ignorance. Lets flip that ignorance by educating people to others cultures. We should be leaders/activist in our community, holding meetings to educate others about the other cultures etc, normally racism stems from fear of the unknown. it has been proven to help in the states why not in Ireland.