Quinn murder: 'SF response shows progress'

[Daithí]

Sinn Féin calls for co-operation with the PSNI in their investigation into the brutal murder of a man lured over the Irish border are a measure of the progress that has been made, Dermot Ahern claimed today.

As he arrived for a North-South summit with Stormont First Minister Ian Paisley and Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness outside Dundalk, the Minister for Foreign Affairs Dermot Ahern said the early indications were that the murder of Paul Quinn was not directed by the IRA.

“We have to wait and see the report from the security services on both sides of the border,” he said.

“We have to see what is said in the Independent Monitoring Commission report.”

Mr Quinn, from Cullyhanna, was beaten to death by a gang in Co Monaghan 10 days ago.

His family have alleged that a Provisional IRA gang was responsible.

However, Sinn Féin politicians have insisted they do not believe republicans were behind the attack and they think it is connected to criminality.

Following calls from Mr Paisley’s Democratic Unionists and the Ulster Unionists for the IRA Army Council to disband following the murder, Mr Ahern said he did not think making such demands at this stage was helpful.

“What this illustrates is the need for everybody who has information about this incident to give that information,” he said.

“I think that is what we should be concentrating on.

“The political situation has changed because Sinn Féin has signed up to the support for the rule of law and policing and people will be gratified by the remarks made by Sinn Féin members.

“We have changed the landscape on this island and I think we should resist making further demands.”

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[ártybhoy]

Sinn Féin calls for co-operation with the PSNI in their investigation
Are they saying they will work with the peelers in this case?

[Daithí]

Why should they? Sinn Fein were'nt involved.

[McDaid--1916]

Following calls from Mr Paisley’s Democratic Unionists and the Ulster Unionists for the IRA Army Council to disband following the murder, Mr Ahern said he did not think making such demands at this stage was helpful.


“We have changed the landscape on this island and I think we should resist making further demands.”


i hate when the DUP and other unionist partys at ever turn, at every chance they call for the "end of terror", "the disarment of the IRA", when he only needs to look at his own front door to see that loyalist paramlitarys are making to feebleist effort to disarm. but when there paramilitarys does something it goes almost unheard of but when the IRA are "suspected" of anything then there an uproar!

it so frustrating!

[quirk]

I think the unionists would claim it is because Sinn Fein are in government.

[Carlos McJackle]

beating a man to death in the most horrific fashion and then lying about it afterwrads . such is progress in Britains little colony .

[McDaid--1916]

I think the unionists would claim it is because Sinn Fein are in government.

care to ellaborate?

[quirk]

They have always claimed that the PIRA must be under more scrutiny as Sinn Fein are in government while groups like the PUP are not. Have you not heard them saying "no guns in government"?

[McDaid--1916]

yeah i no but while the DUP have no known affiliation to loyalist paramilitarys they would be content to have them around. you never hear any real pressure put on any loylist paramilitary by any group weather in gvernment or not although that is becoming more andmore of an issue.

[Carlos McJackle]

yeah i no but while the DUP have no known affiliation to loyalist paramilitarys they would be content to have them around.

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they wereheavily connected to the Ulster Protestant Volunteers which Pailsey basically founded , then the Third Force , which Paisley basically founded and lasltly Ulster resistance which Paisley basically founded . Ulster Resistance is thought to be the most heavily armed of all loyalist paramilitary groups

you never hear any real pressure put on any loylist paramilitary by any group weather in gvernment or not although that is becoming more andmore of an issue

as Hugh Orde spelled out earlier this year loyalist paramilitary groups arent regarded as a threat to the realms security . You seem to be forgetting that the British were engaged in a war against republican insurgents who posed a threat to the realm and not over here holding the line between 2 tribes who couldnt get along . The issue of loyalist arms isnt really a big deal in the political equation. Im surprised anyone would think it was .

[McDaid--1916]

i stand corrected lol...
some good points there carlos..
try not to be too harsh after all im still learning lol although i know a lot some things are a bit rusty lol

[Hildy]

Let's face it, the criminal element has infected both sides.....the loyalist AND Republican paramilitary groups......how can it NOT? Since the ceasefire and the laydown of arms its not surprising to me that situations like this are still happening. How can we normalize former members who have been involved in this movement for years and years?

We would be naive to think that former IRA members who saw themselves as an elite faction of their communities that were feared and respected, and were involved in extreme violence and policing their communities for generations knew nothing else......were suddenlty told by the IRA army council that it was over......and in just one day it stops......they suddenly become ordinary citizens???

The work they've done all their life and for some, it was families of generations, is now gone!!.......they are now facing the prospect of having to work jobs they've never had to work before......or having to go on public assistance if there are no jobs available.......jobs they feel beneath them compared to the status they held before.

There has to be an adjustment period that still hasn't been completed yet, you can't be in the IRA army one day and out the next without some sort of transition.......many were helped by republican funds, but many weren't, so where did that leave them? Criminality comes to mind, and its just not the money aspect of it, it has to do with their psycological mind set with years of violence not only directed at the loyalist butchers, but their own turf wars, IRA protection, smuggling, and illegitimate "fundraising" activities that were the norm.

Even "legitimate" activities were on the fringe, and in order to protect this way of life, there had to be violence or some code of ethics they devised to maintain this law of theirs that allowed them to operate in a kind of "grey area between Republican activism and straight criminality." This was their existence for years, so now what? Its hard to stop something that is so deeply ingrained.....and to be honest, it probably hasn't stopped.

So we will continue to see these high profile tragedies unfold, one by one, Paul Quinn, Robert McCartney, until they can totaly break away from these ties that bind them to this culture.

I do believe that Sinn Fein's leadership is very sincere in "its decision to end the IRA campaign, and move forward in a new era of peace and power-sharing. No one doubts the sincerity of the IRA Army Council when it said the war was over and that in future the members of the IRA would put their energy into politics. But it’s not as simple as that."

Now in contrast to that, we have to remember that many have been murdered just as brutually by the loyalist butchers! Remember, David McIlwaine and Andrew Robb, killed by UVF members, or the killing of Raymond McCord by RUC/PSNI Special Branch......

"RUC/PSNI Special Branch are responsible for some of the most vile and repugnant sectarian murders over three decades of conflict. Fuelled solely by their sectarian hatred of Catholics, nationalist and republicans the recruitment and operation of these people expose the overall modas operandi of Special Branch and indeed the personal motivations of their handlers. The fact that these killers were paid huge sums of public money only adds to the public concern and especially the concerns of the bereaved and injured.'

British Army / RUC Collusion in Murder

British journalists, police officers and Army undercover intelligence agents are increasingly in battle with each other as an intelligence scandal threatens to expose a series of state-sponsored killing of the kind more commonly associated with former South American dictatorships than with a modern western European nation.

For the last two years, British security authorities have resorted to legal duress and intimidation tactics to conceal the identity and activities of Army intelligence operators who played a key role in a secret unit that set up innocent civilians to be murdered, actively collaborated with and fed intelligence to death squads, and then set fire to police offices to destroy their files and prevent an investigation uncovering their activities."

Articles from Relatives for Justice (http://www.relativesforjustice.com/categories/43/Articles.html)

I could go on and on, but you get the drift. The point is, IMO, it will take time before the violence stops......maybe it will take "generations of peacemakers" to stop the "generations of war and violence".........

We need to remember that if we limit ourselves to doing what we've always done, we'll get what we've always got - and we're bigger than that."

Gerry Adams, speaking at Casement Park, 13th August 2006

[scarface]

Sinn Féin calls for co-operation with the PSNI in their investigation into the brutal murder of a man lured over the Irish border are a measure of the progress that has been made, Dermot Ahern claimed today.

As he arrived for a North-South summit with Stormont First Minister Ian Paisley and Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness outside Dundalk, the Minister for Foreign Affairs Dermot Ahern said the early indications were that the murder of Paul Quinn was not directed by the IRA.

“We have to wait and see the report from the security services on both sides of the border,” he said.

“We have to see what is said in the Independent Monitoring Commission report.”

Mr Quinn, from Cullyhanna, was beaten to death by a gang in Co Monaghan 10 days ago.

His family have alleged that a Provisional IRA gang was responsible.

However, Sinn Féin politicians have insisted they do not believe republicans were behind the attack and they think it is connected to criminality.

Following calls from Mr Paisley’s Democratic Unionists and the Ulster Unionists for the IRA Army Council to disband following the murder, Mr Ahern said he did not think making such demands at this stage was helpful.

“What this illustrates is the need for everybody who has information about this incident to give that information,” he said.

“I think that is what we should be concentrating on.

“The political situation has changed because Sinn Féin has signed up to the support for the rule of law and policing and people will be gratified by the remarks made by Sinn Féin members.

“We have changed the landscape on this island and I think we should resist making further demands.”

breakingnews.ie

progress towards what?? becoming the total lackeys of both partition states

[Hildy]

progress towards what?? becoming the total lackeys of both partition states

This progress:

“They said the peace process would never happen, they said the Good Friday Agreement would never happen, and we know it did. It sends a powerful message as to what can be done. This is a winnable cause!"

Martin McGuinness of Sinn Féin at ILIR Rally, Dublin

[ciaranxavier]

[QUOTE=Hildy;22629]they said it would never happen because they didnt think all the ideals republicans have held would be thrown out the window. does it saying anything about that in there?

[Mellows1922]

[QUOTE=Hildy;22629]they said it would never happen because they didnt think all the ideals republicans have held would be thrown out the window. does it saying anything about that in there?

ignore that edited by me thingy ciaran, I hit the edit button instead of the reply one ! I knew I'd get meself in trouble with all these new found powers.

Anyway, what I was going to ask was - what ideals have been thrown out the window ?

[redflag32]

[QUOTE=ciaranxavier;22630]

ignore that edited by me thingy ciaran, I hit the edit button instead of the reply one ! I knew I'd get meself in trouble with all these new found powers.

Anyway, what I was going to ask was - what ideals have been thrown out the window ?

Is the goal or ideal of Sf still a 32 county socialist republic which it once was? We can all say that the ideal of a united Ireland is still our ideal and that we are in the process of achieving it as long as that ideal has not been reached. Sure FF could say the same thing,and do. But a time comes when the tactics imployed and the path taken to reach this ideal shows clearly that the ideal has become subordinate to something else,be that the parties exsistence or personal gain or whatever,i dont know, but in my personal opinion SF's path towards their so called ideal is flawed.

[ciaranxavier]

[QUOTE=ciaranxavier;22630]

ignore that edited by me thingy ciaran, I hit the edit button instead of the reply one ! I knew I'd get meself in trouble with all these new found powers.

Anyway, what I was going to ask was - what ideals have been thrown out the window ?

i cant remember what i said mellow. mustnt have been that important.