correction?

[CELTICGUERILLA]

Would I be correct in saying Ó Flaithbheartaigh is the irish translation for Flaherty(Fleharty). I have been doing much research on the topic and have found a couple more versions as well. Any help would be appreciated.

[conghaileach]

Ó Flaitheartaigh is the standardised version.

[CELTICGUERILLA]

so then would either work and still be correct?

[JPL]

"Ó Flaithbheartaigh" might be an old irish form of it.. Infact, a more truer old Irish form might be Ua Flaithbheartaigh. But conghaileach's version looks more accurate for modern gaeilge.

[CELTICGUERILLA]

"conghaileach's version" what do you mean by that.

[JPL]

"conghaileach's version" what do you mean by that.

The one he posted? What else could I mean? Tbh, don't get hung up on your original spelling of your name because middle irish, and even irish from 100 years ago was much different than it is today. Like I said before, before you had Ó, you had Ua - the the accepted form today is Ó. How far back do you want to look? Just stick with the standard version.

[CELTICGUERILLA]

appreciate it mate.

[conghaileach]

so then would either work and still be correct?


Either works.

[CELTICGUERILLA]

Thanks, im planning to get it inked on my fore arm for my 18th birthday. does anyone have any good celtic font pages they could prescribe to me?



THIS LOOK ANY GOOD?
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc107/CELTICGUERILLA/flaherty32.gif

[broche]

must be an Ulster name, like O'Neill

[JPL]

I wouldn't get it spelt like that, especially with a tatoo. Get "Ó Flaitheartaigh" if you're going to get a tattoo of it. It's the current used form. The other version could be middle Irish like I said but it's certainly not used today. "Ó Flaithbheartaigh" is also fine, but make sure you include the H. Your version doesn't have it so I'm not sure how accurate it is.

[conghaileach]

There are no standard or currently used forms of names, whether it be place names or personal names. There are at least four versions of my own surname, and no-one can say that any one is correct over the others.

[JPL]

There are no standard or currently used forms of names, whether it be place names or personal names. There are at least four versions of my own surname, and no-one can say that any one is correct over the others.

Sure there are - Ó Briain is the standard surname for myself. Some surname's are less transparent however.

[broche]

all Irish names have been angilicized which completely mangles wht it was originally like Costello leading to loads o different versions, Norman names in gaelige tend to be more straightfoward, like barry=de barra , power=de paor

[CELTICGUERILLA]

must be an Ulster name, like O'Neill

nope, connemara name, the flaherty surname is from county galway.

[CELTICGUERILLA]

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc107/CELTICGUERILLA/flaherty32-1.gif So I think i will go with this, unless there are any objections. and sorry for asking again but does anyone know where I can find some celtic/gaelic fonts on-line.

[Hildy]

dia dhuit Celticguerilla,

you can download celtic and gaelige fonts from here:

http://www.ireland-information.com/freecelticfonts.htm

or

http://www.fontmagic.com/categories/foreign-fonts.php


or you can use the keyboard, by using these combinations......its more complicated and bulky though.

ALT. + 0225 = á ALT. + 0193 = Á
ALT. + 0233 = é ALT. + 0201 = É
ALT. + 0237 = í ALT. + 0205 = Í
ALT. + 0243 = ó ALT. + 0211 = Ó
ALT. + 0250 = ú ALT. + 0218 = Ú

Hope this helps!

Cheers Hildy

[CELTICGUERILLA]

thanks, now can anybody tell me that if i am correct in my surname in irish(Ó Flaithbheartaigh) if my name in anglicinized in flaherty, the O just means descendent right?

[Hildy]

Here is an example, if your name was Forsythe, which translates into "Man of Peace" in gaelige.

The original Irish form of "Irish surnames are all patronymics...that is, they all mean "son/grandson/descendent/daughter/granddaughter of [a person's name, nickname or occupation]" The original Irish form of "Forsythe" is Ó Fearsíthe, which could be taken to mean "Grandson/descendent of a peaceful man," though more likely "Fearsíthe" was either your ancestor's given name or nickname.

For "Man of Peace," you could do "Fear Síthe" if you want to stick close to your name (note that, as a phrase, it's written as two words). Or, given that this is actually your grandfather, the Irish form of your surname might actually work better: Ó Fearsíthe

BTW, I'm assuming you're male. If you're female, your surname would be written "Ní Fhearsíthe."

cheers, Hildy

[CELTICGUERILLA]

So then getting Ó Flaithbheartaigh for flaherty tattooed would be Appropriate.

[Hildy]

Celticguerilla, I think that would be a great tattoo and very appropriate!

The name Flaherty in Ireland is always associated with County Galway in the West of the country. It was in Galway near Lough Corrib that the Sept became established, leaving Aughnanure Castle as their legacy. The Gaelic form of the name was O'Flaithbheartaigh which translates as 'bright ruler'.

http://www.irishabroad.com/yourroots/familynames/SurnameView.asp?id=447


http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s6/hildydonovan/flaherty1.gif

Cheers, Hildy!

[CELTICGUERILLA]

Thanks everyone who helped me on the decision. In two and a half short weeks I will be 18 and able to get a tattoo and just not prouldy but rightfully sport my heritage. Thanks again!

LOOKS GOOD.. DOES IT NOT.(CORRECTIONS ANYONE)

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc107/CELTICGUERILLA/flaherty32-1.gif

[Hildy]

Looks cool! Happy Birthday (in 2 weeks)!

[CELTICGUERILLA]

yea, cheers mate.

[broche]

The O'Flahertys were war-like, as evidenced by the sign which is said to have hung over the west gate of the city of Galway: "from the ferocious O'Flahertys may God protect us"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Flaherty

[CELTICGUERILLA]

Thanks, not a big fan of wikipedia due to all the tossers who use it and just **** it up for there own stupid reasons. For this insatnce that is correct but only in a different variation( im 99.9 % it is this, there are so many ways) "From the ferocious O'Flahertys, O Lord, deliver us."

[CELTICGUERILLA]

Does anyone know which is correct.

O' Flaithbheartaigh
Ó Flaithbheartaigh

Same spelling, but the fada mark( dash on top of the O ) is positioned differently. thanks

[broche]

Does anyone know which is correct.

O' Flaithbheartaigh
Ó Flaithbheartaigh

Same spelling, but the fada mark( dash on top of the O ) is positioned differently. thanks

the one with the fada on top of the O is the correct one,the dash is an angilciziation vehicle

[CELTICGUERILLA]

So Ó Flaithbheartaigh.. Thanks mate.

[JPL]

A fada is always above the letter á é etc... The other thingy is an apostrophe. And yes, it's Ó.

[CELTICGUERILLA]

This is why i love this forum. You can ask a question like i asked and get polite answers that mean something. The people are friendly unlike some boards or even youtube where if you say something you get critiqued or in other cases "**** you yank". Appreciate all.

[JPL]

np buddy :) appreciate your enthusiasm for gaeilge.

[jester2207]

since we got all entusasim for us yanks, how bout me name? Woods in Sasanach. All i know is we from the Fermanaugh area so i would assume it would be in Uladh?:confused:

[jester2207]

and lol,(im new to irish), i thought dead rabbits was Dead Raibead/ but the irish/english dict said inarbh coinin?:confused:

[CELTICGUERILLA]

Can somebody help me out. In gaelic script how should Ó Flaithbheartaigh be. What i need help on is if there should be any fada marks on any oher letter besides the O. Here is a link showing the script, im thinking of Ceanannas for the lettering http://evertype.com/celtscript/.. thanks

[CELTICGUERILLA]

:hmmm:

[mac_talla]

Thanks, im planning to get it inked on my fore arm for my 18th birthday. does anyone have any good celtic font pages they could prescribe to me?



THIS LOOK ANY GOOD?
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc107/CELTICGUERILLA/flaherty32.gif


I do not know if you have done this yet....but if you notice, in the gaelic script, there are dots above some of the letters. This was the old way of showing lenition which is now done by adding the letter "h".

This version is correct.

[CELTICGUERILLA]

I do not know if you have done this yet....but if you notice, in the gaelic script, there are dots above some of the letters. This was the old way of showing lenition which is now done by adding the letter "h".

This version is correct.

Which version are you saying is correct. Would this not be right just in gaelic script formhttp://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc107/CELTICGUERILLA/flaherty32-1.gif, or would there be fadas on some of the letters

[CELTICGUERILLA]

:hmmm: This is what i got for gaelic script. wrong/right? Are the fadas in the right place
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc107/CELTICGUERILLA/image-1.png

[mac_talla]

:hmmm: This is what i got for gaelic script. wrong/right? Are the fadas in the right place
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc107/CELTICGUERILLA/image-1.png

OK...let me see if I can be more clear.

Yes...the photo you have posted here is an example of gaelic script.

There is one fada and it is over the "O" and yes, it is in the correct place.

Also, the rest of the name is correct, as JPL suggested.

Now, look at the version of your surname in my original post. Do you see the dots over the first "t", the "b" and "g" in Flaitbeartaig?

Those dots were used, pre-1940's spelling revisions, to indicate lenition.

Lenition is now represented by the use of the letter "h" following the affected consonant.......Ó Flaithbheartaigh

This older spelling (with the dots instead of the "h"'s) is often still used on gravestones, remembrance plaques, signs for traditional businesses, etc.

It is just another option.

[CELTICGUERILLA]

O.K last ? from me on this thread because i now i am wearing some of you lads down on my obscene ?'s.

I could use either of these versions and be o.k, when i mean o.k, be able to walk through clifden, county galway and not get ****e for it. And if you were personally a flaherty and wanted it inked on you( if it is #1 or #2 are there any fadas missing, and if so where?). All who have helped me on this i owe my greatest Sincerity. THANK YOU
1. http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc107/CELTICGUERILLA/image1.png



2. http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc107/CELTICGUERILLA/image-1.png



3.http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc107/CELTICGUERILLA/image3.png



http://www.ellipsix.net/textwriter/render.jsp

[mac_talla]

O.K last ? from me on this thread because i now i am wearing some of you lads down on my obscene ?'s.

I could use either of these versions and be o.k, when i mean o.k, be able to walk through clifden, county galway and not get ****e for it. And if you were personally a flaherty and wanted it inked on you( if it is #1 or #2 are there any fadas missing, and if so where?). All who have helped me on this i owe my greatest Sincerity. THANK YOU
1. http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc107/CELTICGUERILLA/image1.png



2. http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc107/CELTICGUERILLA/image-1.png



3.http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc107/CELTICGUERILLA/image3.png



http://www.ellipsix.net/textwriter/render.jsp

Questions are good. Tattoos are very permanent. :)

This really boils down to a personal choice. Go with the one you like best. Technically, none of them are wrong.

[CELTICGUERILLA]

Thanks

[CELTICGUERILLA]

O.K last ? from me on this thread because i now i am wearing some of you lads down on my obscene ?'s.

Yea sorry about that, i thought i would be good.





so if i went with choice #3 there should be no argument, and should there be any fadas on #3 besides the O

[CELTICGUERILLA]

:hmmm:

[conghaileach]

There are no fadas missing.

[CELTICGUERILLA]

thanks mate

[CELTICGUERILLA]

All rights lads. speak now or forever hold you peace. I go in to the tattoo parlor on wed. This is what i got.

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc107/CELTICGUERILLA/flaherty32-3.gif
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc107/CELTICGUERILLA/image3.png