UTVs coverage of RIRA

[ardonian]

http://u.tv/newsroom/onair.asp?q=hi&pt=&sdate=27/11/2007&f=0.9574396

[DFCRFB]

seen that on the news last night wasnt it.

[Hessian Peel]

Fairplay to the Real IRA for stepping up their game and that, but sporadic attacks on the Crown Forces won't achieve much. Neither Stormont nor Whitehall are likely to be shaken by any of this.

[quirk]

Fairplay to the Real IRA for stepping up their game and that, but sporadic attacks on the Crown Forces won't achieve much. Neither Stormont nor Whitehall are likely to be shaken by any of this.

But might some living in nationalist areas who were thinking of joining the RUC now think twice and if this is the case has something been achieved? I think the answer to this is certainly yes.

[FreeDerry81]

But might some living in nationalist areas who were thinking of joining the RUC now think twice and if this is the case has something been achieved? I think the answer to this is certainly yes.
i second that motion and not only that, touts within the nationalist community will think twice on passing information about republicans to the colonial forces. To say nothing has been achieved is barbaric, in my opinionquite a lot has. The campaign must continue at this level in order to success our goals in a 32 county socialist republic. Victory to the I.R.A

[Ath Cliath Republican]

More power to the Army.

I love the way the provisionals demand that a fully armed Republican Army should disband, yet they seem willing to retain the bunch of hoods that now infest the ranks of PIRA.

[Young Irelander]

Video is a joke, two members... Wow....

[mickyk200]

UTV wud need to update their media player bie I'm tellin yas

[Ath Cliath Republican]

Video is a joke, two members... Wow....




I seem to remember a certain political party who only had two seats in Belfast and Dublin City Councils respectively in the 80's when the war was in full swing.

But did they only have two members? :hmmm:

[robertemmett]

I seem to remember a certain political party who only had two seats in Belfast and Dublin City Councils respectively in the 80's when the war was in full swing.

But did they only have two members? :hmmm:


:eusa_clap::eusa_clap:

[Foyleview]

But might some living in nationalist areas who were thinking of joining the RUC now think twice and if this is the case has something been achieved? I think the answer to this is certainly yes.

i know most people would not agree with you.
if someboby told me i was not to do something, especially people like these. i would only be more determained to join.
in fact it would encourage me to encourage others to join the p s n i.
i am probably a bit old now and i have to many thing going on with businesses. If I was 21 again your talk would drive me to join.

[Foyleview]

i second that motion and not only that, touts within the nationalist community will think twice on passing information about republicans to the colonial forces. To say nothing has been achieved is barbaric, in my opinionquite a lot has. The campaign must continue at this level in order to success our goals in a 32 county socialist republic. Victory to the I.R.A
What dream world do you live in ?
I was watching Mc Allaster and poots on hearts and minds last night. I was there saying great stuff. get to fighting amongst yourselves. go on tear youselves apart ! I was looking to see where i could donate to me alasters campeign, so i could help him tear the d u p apart. i said to myself we have nothing to fear from mc alaster as he is just a hate monger with no stratagy.
now look in the mirror. are you the reverse of mc allaster. who wants to help you , whose interests are you really serving. spare me from the usual reteric please.

[quirk]

i know most people would not agree with you.
if someboby told me i was not to do something, especially people like these. i would only be more determained to join.
in fact it would encourage me to encourage others to join the p s n i.
i am probably a bit old now and i have to many thing going on with businesses. If I was 21 again your talk would drive me to join.

Thats you. Thats not what seems to be happening in reality though.

[Foyleview]

Thats you. Thats not what seems to be happening in reality though.
well i certainly don t know it all. I do know that i have had a few phone call s from young republicans asking about joining the P.S.N.I.
one is a taxi driver from athboy co west meath, another a block layer from Derry, another a self employed young man living in coalisland, working in north co dublin. i have encouraged them to go ahead and join.
one of them has passed all the interview stages and is waiting to be called up.

the taking of the police out of our enemys hands is the next phaseof struggle.

[quirk]

well i certainly don t know it all. I do know that i have had a few phone call s from young republicans asking about joining the P.S.N.I.
one is a taxi driver from athboy co west meath, another a block layer from Derry, another a self employed young man living in coalisland, working in north co dublin. i have encouraged them to go ahead and join.
one of them has passed all the interview stages and is waiting to be called up.

the taking of the police out of our enemys hands is the next phaseof struggle.

Why should I believe you? Personal stories are irrelevant to the debate as they cant be verified. I really doubt that there will be any cops living in the nationalist areas of Derry for some time as a result of IRA activity there.

I also notice how you see republicans as your enemy and the crown forces as your friends. Says more about you than anything else.

[Foyleview]

Why should I believe you? Personal stories are irrelevant to the debate as they cant be verified. I really doubt that there will be any cops living in the nationalist areas of Derry for some time as a result of IRA activity there.

I also notice how you see republicans as your enemy and the crown forces as your friends. Says more about you than anything else.

Why make it personal ?
why call names ?
you would not have wrote the last paragraph unless you were having a cheap shot.
You know I am Sinn Fein. You know our policy on policing. you know we are republicans.
so why lower the conversation onto personal attacks .

Don t beleive me . i have nothing to gain or loose either way.

[quirk]

Why make it personal ?
why call names ?
you would not have wrote the last paragraph unless you were having a cheap shot.
You know I am Sinn Fein. You know our policy on policing. you know we are republicans.
so why lower the conversation onto personal attacks .

Don t beleive me . i have nothing to gain or loose either way.

What names have I called you? I didn't say I don't believe you but this is something which can't be proved or disproved so its beside the argument. I attacked your politics which are far beyond PSF's who say they are holding the RUC to account rather than saying that they will take out our enemies (republicans) for us.

[East Tyrone]

But might some living in nationalist areas who were thinking of joining the RUC now think twice and if this is the case has something been achieved? I think the answer to this is certainly yes.

This is how the coke-head militia serves their British and Unionist sponsors; they attempt to deter Nationalist involvement in community policing and, thus, ensure that Unionist advantage remains. Thanks to them we can look forward to more political policing and collusion; which can only be stopped at ground level by Nationalists on the ground.

[fra the newry man]

psni ruc out the newry man

[East Tyrone]

psni ruc out the newry man

"Out" him as what?

[Foyleview]

What names have I called you? I didn't say I don't believe you but this is something which can't be proved or disproved so its beside the argument. I attacked your politics which are far beyond PSF's who say they are holding the RUC to account rather than saying that they will take out our enemies (republicans) for us.

o K you are a smart guy. hard to catch you out. keep inside line line.
you said it was obvious that i seen republicans as my ememys and crown forces as my friends.
That to me is provocation and name calling.
met guys like you before. Ivory tower guys. wind young people up with high brow talk, stick a gun in there hand and tell them what a hero they d be if they blew somebodys head of. give them a pat on the back and tell them how sorry you are for them when they get life,thats inbetween you ordering your next pint.

Wise up. lets try to give this generation a better chance than we had.

[ciaranxavier]

i know most people would not agree with you.
if someboby told me i was not to do something, especially people like these. i would only be more determained to join.
in fact it would encourage me to encourage others to join the p s n i.
i am probably a bit old now and i have to many thing going on with businesses. If I was 21 again your talk would drive me to join.

him talking about a united ireland would make you join the english police force?????? wierd.

[ciaranxavier]

well i certainly don t know it all. I do know that i have had a few phone call s from young republicans asking about joining the P.S.N.I.
one is a taxi driver from athboy co west meath, another a block layer from Derry, another a self employed young man living in coalisland, working in north co dublin. i have encouraged them to go ahead and join.
one of them has passed all the interview stages and is waiting to be called up.

the taking of the police out of our enemys hands is the next phaseof struggle.

your taking calls for the PSNI??? can you tell them that i wish them the worst of luck.

[ciaranxavier]

well i certainly don t know it all. I do know that i have had a few phone call s from young republicans asking about joining the P.S.N.I.
one is a taxi driver from athboy co west meath, another a block layer from Derry, another a self employed young man living in coalisland, working in north co dublin. i have encouraged them to go ahead and join.
one of them has passed all the interview stages and is waiting to be called up.

the taking of the police out of our enemys hands is the next phaseof struggle.

are you going to run a police service seperate from the occupying forces police force?

[quirk]

o K you are a smart guy. hard to catch you out. keep inside line line.
you said it was obvious that i seen republicans as my ememys and crown forces as my friends.
That to me is provocation and name calling.
met guys like you before. Ivory tower guys. wind young people up with high brow talk, stick a gun in there hand and tell them what a hero they d be if they blew somebodys head of. give them a pat on the back and tell them how sorry you are for them when they get life,thats inbetween you ordering your next pint.

Wise up. lets try to give this generation a better chance than we had.

How is a personal insult saying that you said what you actually did say. You call for people to join the RUC while at the same time calling for people to inform on republicans. Its clear which side you are on.

Also I don't know where you are getting the "stick a gun in their hand" stuff as I would never ask anyone to do such things. If they did however decide to take up arms and oppose the illegal British presence I would fully support them and would not call on people to inform.

[ciaranxavier]

How is a personal insult saying that you said what you actually did say. You call for people to join the RUC while at the same time calling for people to inform on republicans. Its clear which side you are on.

Also I don't know where you are getting the "stick a gun in their hand" stuff as I would never ask anyone to do such things. If they did however decide to take up arms and oppose the illegal British presence I would fully support them and would not call on people to inform.

:stupid: :stupid:

[quirk]

o K you are a smart guy. hard to catch you out. keep inside line line.
you said it was obvious that i seen republicans as my ememys and crown forces as my friends.
That to me is provocation and name calling.
met guys like you before. Ivory tower guys. wind young people up with high brow talk, stick a gun in there hand and tell them what a hero they d be if they blew somebodys head of. give them a pat on the back and tell them how sorry you are for them when they get life,thats inbetween you ordering your next pint.

Wise up. lets try to give this generation a better chance than we had.

And I don't drink.

[ciaranxavier]

o K you are a smart guy. hard to catch you out. keep inside line line.
you said it was obvious that i seen republicans as my ememys and crown forces as my friends.
That to me is provocation and name calling.
met guys like you before. Ivory tower guys. wind young people up with high brow talk, stick a gun in there hand and tell them what a hero they d be if they blew somebodys head of. give them a pat on the back and tell them how sorry you are for them when they get life,thats inbetween you ordering your next pint.

Wise up. lets try to give this generation a better chance than we had.

you said it was obvious that i seen republicans as my ememys and crown forces as my friends.
That to me is provocation and name calling.

not if thats the ideas youve harbored and expressed.

met guys like you before. Ivory tower guys. wind young people up with high brow talk, stick a gun in there hand and tell them what a hero they d be if they blew somebodys head of.

ive chatted and debated with quirk and i can tell you that never once unless someones asked him have i even seen him debate armed struggle. youve got the wrong guy hes far from what you think he is.


Wise up. lets try to give this generation a better chance than we had

how would you suggest giving them a better chance?

[Young Irelander]

Let me two councillers or two gunmen in a video? How can a serious comparison be made?? These coucillers also had a political mandate, while also in the late eighties they had many more seats than just two and Gerry Adams was also elected to as late as 1987, if you where trying to say that Sinn Fein only had two elected councillers overall will that is wrong...

[Rory O'Connor]

Does Óglaigh na hÉireann not have a mandate to use a campaign of military activity to defend the Irish Republic, Young Irelander?

[East Tyrone]

Does Óglaigh na hÉireann not have a mandate to use a campaign of military activity to defend the Irish Republic, Young Irelander?

Óglaigh na hÉireann have rejected the use of force as a valid tactic and have committed themselves to peacefull strategy. Unfortunately some no-hopers have been masquerading as Republican militants, making unrealisable threats in the newspapers, killing civilians and stirring up sectarian tension under direction from British intelligence.

[Rory O'Connor]

The "Provisional faction" expelled themselves from Óglaigh na hÉireann when they breached the IRA's constitution.

[East Tyrone]

The "Provisional faction" expelled themselves from Óglaigh na hÉireann when they breached the IRA's constitution.
Not at all, a whole heap of no-hopers have expelled themselves from reality and continually breach our sense of disbelief.

[Rory O'Connor]

It is indeniable that the "Provisional faction" expelled themselves from Óglaigh na hÉireann when they breached the IRA's constitution, so it is they who are "republican" dissidents.

[DublinRepublican]

The "Provisional faction" expelled themselves from Óglaigh na hÉireann when they breached the IRA's constitution.

Yes indeed in 1986.

[Liam Lynch]

Óglaigh na hÉireann have rejected the use of force as a valid tactic and have committed themselves to peacefull strategy. Unfortunately some no-hopers have been masquerading as Republican militants, making unrealisable threats in the newspapers, killing civilians and stirring up sectarian tension under direction from British intelligence.

No, they were out negotiated into accepting it as a crime.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

it seems the RIRA dont believe in camoflauge and concealment,patrolling around in light blue jeans,if they were compromised at least the top part of there body would be safe in the bushes but there legs would be fuccked,or maybe the brits would think there is a pair of bodyless legs running around the cuds,now that is bound to put the shiits up them.

[quirk]

it seems the RIRA dont believe in camoflauge and concealment,patrolling around in light blue jeans,if they were compromised at least the top part of there body would be safe in the bushes but there legs would be fuccked,or maybe the brits would think there is a pair of bodyless legs running around the cuds,now that is bound to put the shiits up them.

Maybe they were like that as if someone came along they could just remove the jacket and look like a civilian, something you couldn't do in combat trousers.

[Rory O'Connor]

Yes indeed in 1986.

The "Provisional faction" of Sinn Féin didn't break Sinn Féin's constitution during the year of 1986. They legitimately changed it, so the "Continuity faction" of Sinn Féin dissented from Sinn Féin.

[DublinRepublican]

The "Provisional faction" of Sinn Féin didn't break Sinn Féin's constitution during the year of 1986. They legitimately changed it.
No they didnt. Ill quote the current Uachtarán of Sinn Fein, in his speech in 1986.
"There’s a total contradiction in this discussion, in fact, the discussion is totally out of order if this constitution of Sinn Fein means anything. Because it says there that no person who approves or supports candidates going into Leinster House, Stormont or Westminster shall be admitted to membership or allowed to retain membership, and yet on this floor we have plenty of resolutions proposing to go into Leinster House and indeed some of them proposing to go into Westminster and Stormont as well because they want abstentionism ended altogether. The constitution has been, and is being, flouted and has not been made effective."

[ciaranxavier]

Not at all, a whole heap of no-hopers have expelled themselves from reality and continually breach our sense of disbelief.

wouldnt a whole heap of no hopers be just a bad way to describe supporters of a cause thats not your own??

[East Tyrone]

wouldnt a whole heap of no hopers be just a bad way to describe supporters of a cause thats not your own??

Not at all, it would be a concise way to describe a motley assortment of marginalised and disorganised rabbles of questionable sanity, intelligence and integrity; whose goal seems to be to retard, obstruct and discredit the cause of Irish Republicanism and unity.

[Liam Lynch]

Not at all, it would be a concise way to describe a motley assortment of marginalised and disorganised rabbles of questionable sanity, intelligence and integrity; whose goal seems to be to retard, obstruct and discredit the cause of Irish Republicanism and unity.

It would more accurately describe Home Rulers.

[East Tyrone]

It would more accurately describe Home Rulers.

What would?

[Liam Lynch]

What would?

'No hoper's'.

[East Tyrone]

'No hoper's'.

"No hoper's" what? Are you talking about something possessed by the coke-heads or cac-heads?

[ciaranxavier]

Not at all, it would be a concise way to describe a motley assortment of marginalised and disorganised rabbles of questionable sanity, intelligence and integrity; whose goal seems to be to retard, obstruct and discredit the cause of Irish Republicanism and unity.

lol your statement is so hypocritical its funny. you supported and still support the PIRA and its army council. but any other republican army that holds the same belief system the PIRA held before they disarmed is lacking sanity, intelligence and integrity. your a fool honestly. i dont care if you believe that PSF is the way to go and working with the 6's government is the way to go but its no reason to trash the people who hold dear the ideals that PIRA held dear before they disarmed.

[East Tyrone]

lol your statement is so hypocritical its funny. you supported and still support the PIRA and its army council. but any other republican army that holds the same belief system the PIRA held before they disarmed is lacking sanity, intelligence and integrity. your a fool honestly. i dont care if you believe that PSF is the way to go and working with the 6's government is the way to go but its no reason to trash the people who hold dear the ideals that PIRA held dear before they disarmed.

You just don't get it Ciaran mo chara. Violent strategy doesn't work, it causes unnecessary suffering with no hope of reciprical gain. Those who cannot see this are no-hopers because they follow a hopeless strategy that will only bring suffering to more Irish people.

[ciaranxavier]

You just don't get it Ciaran mo chara. Violent strategy doesn't work, it causes unnecessary suffering with no hope of reciprical gain. Those who cannot see this are no-hopers because they follow a hopeless strategy that will only bring suffering to more Irish people.

the strategy that ousted the english from the 26 is now the cause no hopers because the PIRA and PSF said so?? and dont say its popular support because the struggle hasnt always had popular support not just now but in the past.

[robertemmett]

You just don't get it Ciaran mo chara. Violent strategy doesn't work, it causes unnecessary suffering with no hope of reciprical gain. Those who cannot see this are no-hopers because they follow a hopeless strategy that will only bring suffering to more Irish people.

plus it jeopradises martin and gerry's pensions

[Liam Lynch]

"No hoper's" what? Are you talking about something possessed by the coke-heads or cac-heads?

Your obsession runs deep, it blinds you to political discourse.

[East Tyrone]

Whatever dude, keep dreamin.

[East Tyrone]

Your obsession runs deep, it blinds you to political discourse.

What blinds you to punctuation?

[ciaranxavier]

i believe i was first in line for a response.

[Liam Lynch]

Whatever dude, keep dreamin.

No doubt you'll keep posting about us.

[ciaranxavier]

What blinds you to punctuation?

when all else fails attack grammar.

[robertemmett]

when all else fails attack grammar.

:icon_laugh::icon_laugh::icon_laugh:

[East Tyrone]

when all else fails attack grammar.

He only had two words to write and he managed to f*ck it up. If his sloppy keyboard skills are anything to go by, I wouldn't like to see the results of him trying to arm an anti-handling device.

[ciaranxavier]

He only had two words to write and he managed to f*ck it up. If his sloppy keyboard skills are anything to go by, I wouldn't like to see the results of him trying to arm an anti-handling device.

i dont think his keyboard skills matter in anything some people arent as computer literate as youve been so blessed to be. and your avoiding my other post can you please answer it. instead of answering my smart remarks answer the post with a serious question how bout.

[Liam Lynch]

He only had two words to write and he managed to f*ck it up. If his sloppy keyboard skills are anything to go by, I wouldn't like to see the results of him trying to arm an anti-handling device.

You've been politically disarmed long since, go ahead, obsess away.

[East Tyrone]

i dont think his keyboard skills matter in anything some people arent as computer literate as youve been so blessed to be. and your avoiding my other post can you please answer it. instead of answering my smart remarks answer the post with a serious question how bout.

I'm not avoiding your post Ciaran, I'm just sick of dealing with the same shyte that isn't remotely representative of reality. The 26 counties were freed through force of arms; however, you miss the point that the 6 weren't. The tactics that worked in the 26 didn't work in the 6, because the conditions weren't suitable. The conditions are still, if not moreso, unfavourable. If violent tactics were going to work in the 6 they would have already done so. To persist with a failed tactic is pointless, hopeless and unjustifiable when it is causing unnecessary suffering for Irish people.
How can it be worth one more Irish life? How would you justify to the family of the lad who was murdered the other night why you thought their son's life could be taken?

[East Tyrone]

You've been politically disarmed long since, go ahead, obsess away.

Whatever lad, which of the no-hopers of no political significance do you affiliate with?

[ciaranxavier]

I'm not avoiding your post Ciaran, I'm just sick of dealing with the same shyte that isn't remotely representative of reality. The 26 counties were freed through force of arms; however, you miss the point that the 6 weren't. The tactics that worked in the 26 didn't work in the 6, because the conditions weren't suitable. The conditions are still, if not moreso, unfavourable. If violent tactics were going to work in the 6 they would have already done so. To persist with a failed tactic is pointless, hopeless and unjustifiable when it is causing unnecessary suffering for Irish people.
How can it be worth one more Irish life? How would you justify to the family of the lad who was murdered the other night why you thought their son's life could be taken?

no the reason the treaty was signed was because if it wasnt the whole english armys might wouldve been brought upon ireland wreaking havoc and effectively suppressing the struggle achieving nothing. if you think about it conditions are more favorable because theres only 5000 troops i believe it is in the 6 right now, and its far from a failed tactic as has been proven in the past which is the point you seem to miss. what was this lad shot over???

[ciaranxavier]

Whatever lad, which of the no-hopers of no political significance do you affiliate with?

as long as everybody believes everybody else is a bunch of no hopers i dont see no hope for ireland.

[East Tyrone]

no the reason the treaty was signed was because if it wasnt the whole english armys might wouldve been brought upon ireland wreaking havoc and effectively suppressing the struggle achieving nothing. if you think about it conditions are more favorable because theres only 5000 troops i believe it is in the 6 right now, and its far from a failed tactic as has been proven in the past which is the point you seem to miss. what was this lad shot over???

The several hundred thousand Unionists Ciaran, do we just ignore that they're there? As regards the lad that was shot, who knows. One of the micro-groups of no-hopers shot him for something but haven't had the decency to release a statement.

[ciaranxavier]

The several hundred thousand Unionists Ciaran, do we just ignore that they're there? As regards the lad that was shot, who knows. One of the micro-groups of no-hopers shot him for something but haven't had the decency to release a statement.

so you dont know why the lad was shot your just making an assumption. and no we dont ignore the unionists but we dont allow the the unionists to push us into a divided ireland.

[East Tyrone]

so you dont know why the lad was shot your just making an assumption. and no we dont ignore the unionists but we dont allow the the unionists to push us into a divided ireland.

So what's your plan for the Unionists?

[ciaranxavier]

So what's your plan for the Unionists?

ill tell you later im going to a fish fry.

[East Tyrone]

cod?

[tom42191]

Video is a joke, two members... Wow....



Do you want them to call out the whole lot of them out? It would make no sense to jeopardize an excess number of men and gear for a simple propaganda movie.

[HimThere]

it wont let me watch ffs any other link to access it??

[Rory O'Connor]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7zx-bafKRtA

[jamie9988]

i wouldnt call them no hopers they will show who is no hopers the rira will conquer

[Liam Lynch]

Whatever lad, which of the no-hopers of no political significance do you affiliate with?

Then why the obsession?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

Maybe they were like that as if someone came along they could just remove the jacket and look like a civilian, something you couldn't do in combat trousers.


civilians wit ak47s and pistols.somehow i dont think it would work

[RSF-Fianoglach]

it seems PSF and the saorstat are working off the old tactic of,tell a lie often enough and it will become reality.

[quirk]

civilians wit ak47s and pistols.somehow i dont think it would work

Could sit them in a ditch.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

ah if the cops came they would have been fuccked the reporter would spill the beans in seconds anyway,if the cops were suspicious they would search the area.

anyway i have to say they look like they recieved decent military training,although i did notice when the lead man stopped the "patrol" using hand signals he didnt conceal himself in a bush he just knelt down in the middle of the road like an open target,the fellow behind him got into cover rightly so,anytime a patrol is stopped they are supposed to get into cover.all that said they looked good,and fairly well trained

[mickyk200]

Would wearing camo with really really blue jeans not defeat the purpose?

[kildare brigade]

didnt the RIRA blame the CIRA for the omagh bomb they said the only thing used was their codename

[East Tyrone]

i wouldnt call them no hopers they will show who is no hopers the rira will conquer

:icon_laugh:
It's wee demented gems like this post that make it worth logging on here.

[grainne]

:icon_laugh:
It's wee demented gems like this post that make it worth logging on here.

And the trolling continues.you really should make the effort to question the poster on his/her posts,rather than trolling the board like a kerb crawler in heat,with insult after insult.you need help fella.

[East Tyrone]

Grainne, I don't think there's much point in debating a post that states that the "RIRA will conquer". You might as well say 'the Spice Girls will cure cancer'. My post was a legitimate comment on a post with no referance to the actual poster. Yours however, is another ironic complaint about perceived insults, wrapped around actual insults.

[grainne]

Grainne, I don't think there's much point in debating a post that states that the "RIRA will conquer". You might as well say 'the Spice Girls will cure cancer'. My post was a legitimate comment on a post with no referance to the actual poster. Yours however, is another ironic complaint about perceived insults, wrapped around actual insults.

Well then just leave the thread alone.If you do not see a point to debating a post,then why use provocation to derail the thread?
There are some threads i no little about,so i stay out of them.try that.it works ok for me.never see people calling me a troll now do you?

[East Tyrone]

I've seen you called many things, but that's neither here nor there. This is an open forum, if somebody starts a thread, anyone can comment on it or any post made in the thread. The thread is about RIRA propaganda; I don't see what the problem is in me pointing out a rather absurd example of it.

[grainne]

How many things have you seen me called then ET?tell us?


But my point is ET you seem to troll these threads in the hope ull come across something "absurd" that somebody has said to futher insult people,like why could you not have asked this person to explain his post?he does not have to,but if hes here for debate he'll hardy have a problem answering you.It puts people of,and its cheap.

You really have it in for anti gfa republicans.you seem very bitter.
You should be a police man.they would love ur views.

[Young Irelander]

The only republican party relevant to this forum which has a political mandate is Sinn Fein, the largest republican party in the six counties and the fastest growing party in the Irish Republic...

[Éire32CS]

Would wearing camo with really really blue jeans not defeat the purpose?
Are you actually seriously trying to make a point out on this or is it a **** take???
You can't find something else to say so you have to attack the camo gear that is being used??What the provos had colour co-ordination at all times or something??Take your head out of your ass

The only republican party relevant to this forum which has a political mandate is Sinn Fein, the largest republican party in the six counties and the fastest growing party in the Irish Republic...


And I don't see what relevance this has to the particular topic.do you need to try and recruit that bad seriously??

[RSF-Fianoglach]

young irelander,PSF are not the only relevant party to this forum,in fact many true REPUBLICANS dont even consider PSF to be Republican anymore,they have evolved into a modern day SDLP.turned there backs on grass roots Republicanism,PSF councilers are resigning and leaving in droves due to the dictatoral style the party has adopted.the PSF are fragmenting and crumbling in a slow but painful decline.

[mickyk200]

Are you actually seriously trying to make a point out on this or is it a **** take???
You can't find something else to say so you have to attack the camo gear that is being used??What the provos had colour co-ordination at all times or something??Take your head out of your ass

I was just saying f*ck sake! Are you on your man period? I made a similar statement on an INLA thread, it wasn't an attack if you want some RIRA bashing how about your complete lack of popular support, your pathetic 2nd hand arsenal and your man power of all of about a dozen lads, and the total apathy towards your movement on the geo-political stage. How was that for an attack?

[Rory O'Connor]

The Provisional IRA have less weaponary than Óglaigh na hÉireann, micky200.

[Takeshi]

The Provisional IRA have less weaponary than Óglaigh na hÉireann, micky200.

The Provos aren't trying to fight a war, so it really doesn't matter what they have. You have to be deeply delusional to think that a small group with a handful of rusty small arms is going to give the PSNI serious problems never mind the british army.

[quirk]

The Provos aren't trying to fight a war, so it really doesn't matter what they have. You have to be deeply delusional to think that a small group with a handful of rusty small arms is going to give the PSNI serious problems never mind the british army.

How do you know the number of their membership?
How do you know the weaponry they have?

[Rory O'Connor]

The Provos aren't trying to fight a war, so it really doesn't matter what they have. You have to be deeply delusional to think that a small group with a handful of rusty small arms is going to give the PSNI serious problems never mind the british army.

Óglaigh na hÉireann obviously frighten the RUC/PSNI if they have forced them to wear flak jackets again, if they forced them to create checkpoints all over the Six Counties and if they have forced them to become frightened enough to begin to raid republicans' homes in Newry.

[East Tyrone]

Óglaigh na hÉireann obviously frighten the RUC/PSNI if they have forced them to wear flak jackets again, if they forced them to create checkpoints all over the Six Counties and if they have forced them to become frightened enough to begin to raid republicans' homes in Newry.

Which "Óglaigh na hÉireann" do you mean; the cokes, the cac, the ones that murdered Andrew Burns? How can the peelers be scared of them? They were happy enough a couple of weeks ago lying about their barracks drinking carry-outs and eating chineese. Now they're all over the place making targets out of themselves. It's like they're going "I'm a cop, look at me, shoot me." But no takers, the no-hoper "Óglaigh na hÉireann"s that you talk about are only good at killing civilians. They are pretending to be at war and they're neither scaring nor fooling anyone; except maybe themselves.

[Éire32CS]

Firstly micky, can you show that your post had any relevance??What was the point behind it??It did not make any more points apart from the negative comment included so one can only assume it was intended to derail a thread as usual by attacking what you see as not the norm. I have not seen your post on the INLA but I would have said the same thing, whats the difference?? Your attacking the camo that volunteers are wearing in a negative way, even thought it has been a similar dress code in many situations for the last few decades??Try dive for any reasoning behind that.

Secondly, I think it shows greatly into the mind sight of East Tyrone when he is using the unfortunate circumstances of Omagh which resulted in the death of inoocent people to push a point for his own twisted personal gain on his vendetta.
This is a man who has posted saying he despised the way a man was shot dead last week for being a tout, peado(whatever he was etc) was being talked about, yet will use dead innocents to push a point for himself??Way to go big man.

[Takeshi]

How do you know the number of their membership?
How do you know the weaponry they have?

Are you seriously trying to pretend that they are a large, well armed group?

I think it's a fair estimate, based on weapons used in past attacks, weapons displayed in propaganda videos and photos. The number and location of attacks. Based on all of this, the group using the name RIRA, is a small group with small arms and some explosives. Nothing significant enough to take on an army.

[Takeshi]

Óglaigh na hÉireann obviously frighten the RUC/PSNI if they have forced them to wear flak jackets again, if they forced them to create checkpoints all over the Six Counties and if they have forced them to become frightened enough to begin to raid republicans' homes in Newry.

They are incapable of driving the brits out. I didn't say they couldn't influence PSNI operations.

[Foyleview]

How do you know the number of their membership?
How do you know the weaponry they have?

I think it pretty obvious, with all the big talk this past 10 years and no action.

[Foyleview]

They are incapable of driving the brits out. I didn't say they couldn't influence PSNI operations.

they are not trying to drive the brits out. did you not read that their objective was to bring more brits back !
they want to see them on the streets alog with increased checkpoints.

Some freedomfighters.....!

[the IRA lives]

That video was 3 months ago and there still only has been 2 attacks.....

[quirk]

they are not trying to drive the brits out. did you not read that their objective was to bring more brits back !
they want to see them on the streets alog with increased checkpoints.

Some freedomfighters.....!

This was one of the aims of the PIRA at one stage too. I guess you know that but ignore it for the sake of your criticism.

[Foyleview]

This was one of the aims of the PIRA at one stage too. I guess you know that but ignore it for the sake of your criticism.

That was never the case , and you know it.
the Irish Republican Army were ENGAGED in a war with the british forces of occupation.
This war was supported by the majority of irish people, 32 county wide.
It may have been begrudgingly in some quarters . but supported it was.
these bunch of missfits that are doing the work of the british securocrats represent nobody.

[Jim]

This war was supported by the majority of irish people, 32 county wide.


No it wasnt ffs,Have you any proof of this theory.

Certainly there was more support for the armed campaign than voters for psf but the majority of the irish people???

[Rory O'Connor]

That was never the case , and you know it.
the Irish Republican Army were ENGAGED in a war with the british forces of occupation.
This war was supported by the majority of irish people, 32 county wide.
It may have been begrudgingly in some quarters . but supported it was.
these bunch of missfits that are doing the work of the british securocrats represent nobody.

Republican Sinn Féin is supported "32 county wide" too.

[Rory O'Connor]

Which "Óglaigh na hÉireann" do you mean; the cokes, the cac, the ones that murdered Andrew Burns? How can the peelers be scared of them? They were happy enough a couple of weeks ago lying about their barracks drinking carry-outs and eating chineese. Now they're all over the place making targets out of themselves. It's like they're going "I'm a cop, look at me, shoot me." But no takers, the no-hoper "Óglaigh na hÉireann"s that you talk about are only good at killing civilians. They are pretending to be at war and they're neither scaring nor fooling anyone; except maybe themselves.

I think that it is obvious to which army that I am referring to when I say Óglaigh na hÉireann.

[East Tyrone]

I think that it is obvious to which army that I am referring to when I say Óglaigh na hÉireann.

You might think it's obvious but you are talking about some group that styles itself "Óglaigh na hÉireann" and scares the PSNI. The Army have decommisioned and no longer target the peelers, so it's obviously not them, and it can't be any of the no-hopers; because the cops would be more scared of catching the flu than any of the no-hoper pseudo-militias.

[ciaranxavier]

You might think it's obvious but you are talking about some group that styles itself "Óglaigh na hÉireann" and scares the PSNI. The Army have decommisioned and no longer target the peelers, so it's obviously not them, and it can't be any of the no-hopers; because the cops would be more scared of catching the flu than any of the no-hoper pseudo-militias.

the only no hopers i can see in republicanism in general is people with the attitude you hold.

[Young Irelander]

I said the only relevant republican party with a political mandate is Sinn Fein, when did i ever say they where the only relevant party on the forum... How can the Real IRA or the Continuity IRA be taking seriously as I have previously mentioned before between both of these "armies", they have still not killed a single British Soldier yet?

[Hessian Peel]

That was never the case , and you know it.
the Irish Republican Army were ENGAGED in a war with the british forces of occupation.
This war was supported by the majority of irish people, 32 county wide.
It may have been begrudgingly in some quarters . but supported it was.
these bunch of missfits that are doing the work of the british securocrats represent nobody.

The vast majority of Irish people were opposed to the PIRA's campaign.

Do you honestly believe that the RIRA and CIRA are completely controlled by the British state or do you just feel compelled to regurgitate the drivel of others?

[quirk]

I think Foyleview works on the premise that PSF are republican and what they do defines republicanism therefore whoever opposes them is by default working to a British agenda.

Of course this must completely ignore the fact that the British agenda was always to cement their rule in the 6 counties rather than to destabilise it and the fact that PSF are administering that rule.

[mickyk200]

Firstly micky, can you show that your post had any relevance??
You had a go at me for commenting on the camo, and made the assumption I had no real arguement against the RIRA other than their attire so I thought I'd point out the elephant in the room.

What was the point behind it??
A rebuttle to you having a go at me for an innocuous wee comment.

It did not make any more points apart from the negative comment included so one can only assume it was intended to derail a thread as usual by attacking what you see as not the norm.
No, I have no secret agenda. I have explained my resoning behing my comment. And just because I cannot adear to your political beliefs doesn't mean that the negitve points aren't valid.

I have not seen your post on the INLA but I would have said the same thing, whats the difference?
INLA show of strength thread...
It was a wee random post why are you throwing such a b*tch fit over it?

Your attacking the camo that volunteers are wearing in a negative way, even thought it has been a similar dress code in many situations for the last few decades??Try dive for any reasoning behind that
It wasn't an attack on the RIRA and the RIRA alone, I've seen provo footage where one volenteer was wearing a f*cking bobble hat. It was a harmless wee statement about the camoflauge, and the point behind it. I've seen loyalists running around in forest camo in the streets. Chill the f*cking bap!

[East Tyrone]

the only no hopers i can see in republicanism in general is people with the attitude you hold.

You completely miss the fact that the overwhelming majority of the people of Ireland would agree with me on this issue.

[Éire32CS]

So micky to make it short, there wasn't much positivie point behind the post then???
I'm not having a fit, just clearly showing that it is constant 'random' posts like this that seem to be constanly trying to derail threads and provoke reactions.

[ciaranxavier]

You completely miss the fact that the overwhelming majority of the people of Ireland would agree with me on this issue.

why werent you supporting the 6's population the times before when they didnt support armed struggle? i mean you also must be able to admit that the PIRA rarely if at all held a majority of support in the 6 so whats differant now that makes your decision the be all to end all? and im not missing any fact, your negative attitude to anything thats not pro PSF is the only reason people should have no hope.

[East Tyrone]

why werent you supporting the 6's population the times before when they didnt support armed struggle? i mean you also must be able to admit that the PIRA rarely if at all held a majority of support in the 6 so whats differant now that makes your decision the be all to end all? and im not missing any fact, your negative attitude to anything thats not pro PSF is the only reason people should have no hope.

I was about your age the last time the IRA did anything militarily; I've matured a little since then. I have said this countless times, but incase you missed it: I only have a negative attitude to those who advocate the threat or use of violence. That only accounts for a miniscule percentage of those who are opposed to Sinn Féin.

[ciaranxavier]

I was about your age the last time the IRA did anything militarily; I've matured a little since then. I have said this countless times, but incase you missed it: I only have a negative attitude to those who advocate the threat or use of violence. That only accounts for a miniscule percentage of those who are opposed to Sinn Féin.

oh so now that youve become "enlightened" in your old age we should all follow suit?

[on_remand]

I was about your age the last time the IRA did anything militarily; I've matured a little since then. I have said this countless times, but incase you missed it: I only have a negative attitude to those who advocate the threat or use of violence. That only accounts for a miniscule percentage of those who are opposed to Sinn Féin.

so if the GFA doesn't come off as SF wish and the provos decide to go back to an armed struggle, will you have a negative attitude toward yourself?

what will be your reaction if this does happen? i would like an answer please.

[Young Irelander]

Whare was the actual footage taken at? West Tyrone?

[quirk]

Whare was the actual footage taken at? West Tyrone?

Not sure but it probably is somewhere in the Tyrone area as it was in the wake of the shooting in Dungannon.

[Young Irelander]

Is it possible the unit was close to the Dungannon Area? The car was found burnt out near Derrylaughin, near the Lough Neagh?

[quirk]

I have no idea really.

[Young Irelander]

Do you have any idea the structure of the RIRA?

[quirk]

Do you have any idea the structure of the RIRA?

I am sure it is similar to how the PIRA's structure was.

[Young Irelander]

Why are the RIRA, not constantly attacking "targets".

[quirk]

Why are the RIRA, not constantly attacking "targets".

Well thats a question for them, however in the recent interview they said they were undergoing a reorganisation and restructuring (and hopefully rearming) this past 3 years.

[Young Irelander]

Are you a member of the 32csm?

[quirk]

Yes I am.

[Young Irelander]

Yes I am.

Where you a previous member of Sinn Fein?

[quirk]

Nope.

[Young Irelander]

Nope.

What are the total number of members of 32CSM around Eire?

[quirk]

What are the total number of members of 32CSM around Eire?

I really woldn't know the exact numbers but it would be small. Few hundreds I would think. Whats the point of all the questions?

[Young Irelander]

So I can pass them on to my handler...lol, Just wondering about the size of the particular movement...

[eghzarw]

Whats the point of all the questions?

I have a feeling one of his next questions will be "are you a member of the RIRA"

He sounds so in earnest.:hmmm:

[Young Irelander]

Are you a member of the BIRA?

[ciaranxavier]

So I can pass them on to my handler...lol, Just wondering about the size of the particular movement...

but i thought these "micro" groups are irrelevant and should just disband and make way for the likes of PSF, UUP, and the DUP to pave the way to irish freedoms. why do you care if this is your opinion?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

ciaran do you realy think the likes of the UUP,OR THE DUP will pave the way to irish freedom?you must be mad

[ciaranxavier]

ciaran do you realy think the likes of the UUP,OR THE DUP will pave the way to irish freedom?you must be mad

did you read my post or are you semi illiterate. how about this show me where i said i support that and then well talk.

[Young Irelander]

but i thought these "micro" groups are irrelevant and should just disband and make way for the likes of PSF, UUP, and the DUP to pave the way to irish freedoms. why do you care if this is your opinion?

DUP and UUP for Irish Freedom? When was this their political ideoligies?

[mickyk200]

So micky to make it short, there wasn't much positivie point behind the post then???
Why does it have to be postive?
I don't support the RIRA.

I'm not having a fit, just clearly showing that it is constant 'random' posts
I commented on the footage, it wasn't an attempt to derail the thread. You first had a go at the comment I made regarding the camo and accused me of derailing the thread; then you said I had no real arguement against the RIRA so I gave you my oppostion. There is the revelence; there is the context. If anyone attempted to derail this thread it was you.

provoke reactions.
You provoked the reaction son, not me.

[ciaranxavier]

DUP and UUP for Irish Freedom? When was this their political ideoligies?

if you would like to pretend that you never said that youd rather have them around and see the "micro" republican groups disband then thats not my problem. your the one who said it not me.

[Young Irelander]

if you would like to pretend that you never said that youd rather have them around and see the "micro" republican groups disband then thats not my problem. your the one who said it not me.

I said I would rather have them around, when did I say this, I never once voiced support for the unionist parties, your twisting words again, you still have not stated who you support yet, for all I know you arer just a delibrate wind up merchant and anyway you are derailing the thread again...

[ciaranxavier]

I said I would rather have them around, when did I say this, I never once voiced support for the unionist parties, your twisting words again, you still have not stated who you support yet, for all I know you arer just a delibrate wind up merchant and anyway you are derailing the thread again...

i never said you support them i moreso said its sad that youll support them over these so called "micro groups" which are your fellow irishmen. and dont say you dont because if you believe that the irish republican "micro" groups as you put it are insignificant and should disband well the DUP and UUP are acceptable to being around then you obviously support them more then you support the republican parties other then PSF.

[Young Irelander]

i never said you support them i moreso said its sad that youll support them over these so called "micro groups" which are your fellow irishmen. and dont say you dont because if you believe that the irish republican "micro" groups as you put it are insignificant and should disband well the DUP and UUP are acceptable to being around then you obviously support them more then you support the republican parties other then PSF.

I do not support any other Irish Republican party or any Unioinist Party for that matter, I support Sinn Fein, I do not support the micro groups because they are no serious threat to the British, the risks someone has in joining these groups are quite dangerous and they can end up being in jail or even worse killed, while on the other hand the micro groups has no political mandate and they do not have the support of the Republican/Nationalist people North or South as the recent Stormant Elections showed the support for Peace and this underminded any support the Real and Contunity IRA said they had, the Micro groups to date have not had a successful kill against the British War Machine and there armed campagin is futile as the people want peace and support the Irish Peace Process...

[ciaranxavier]

I do not support any other Irish Republican party or any Unioinist Party for that matter, I support Sinn Fein, I do not support the micro groups because they are no serious threat to the British, the risks someone has in joining these groups are quite dangerous and they can end up being in jail or even worse killed, while on the other hand the micro groups has no political mandate and they do not have the support of the Republican/Nationalist people North or South as the recent Stormant Elections showed the support for Peace and this underminded any support the Real and Contunity IRA said they had, the Micro groups to date have not had a successful kill against the British War Machine and there armed campagin is futile as the people want peace and support the Irish Peace Process...


what makes you think they have no political mandate?]

what makes you think they have no support? if they had no support they wouldnt exist simple as that.

and why was the PIRA allowed to exist when the people supported them but now that you have chosen the peaceful route everyone should disarm not just the PIRA?

[Young Irelander]

what makes you think they have no political mandate?]

what makes you think they have no support? if they had no support they wouldnt exist simple as that.

and why was the PIRA allowed to exist when the people supported them but now that you have chosen the peaceful route everyone should disarm not just the PIRA?

Let me see here do they stand in elections in the six counties are the 26-county state? If they have support then why do they not carry out attacks more often? Every group will have support, but seems there support base is insignificant, yes the people did support the Provisional IRA because they carried out attacks on behalf of Irish Freedom, they policed the nationalist/republican communites, the micro groups do barley anything at all, look at the recent elections in the six counties? What does that represent in the Real and Continuity IRA?

[kev86]

II support Sinn Fein, I do not support the micro groups because they are no serious threat to the British, the risks someone has in joining these groups are quite dangerous and they can end up being in jail or even worse killed,


:icon_lol: I honestly dont know how you can come to the above conclusion that republicans are no threat to the british,i guess the branch ,RUC etc just harrass us all the time for the fun of it ?

And you say that its to dangerous to join what you term a "micro group",as you may get jailed or killed, was it not dangerous during the so called troubles to be involved in republicanism aswell ? so what you are saying is that you would prefer to just play it safe as part of the establishment to avoid any danger.And just to be extra safe help the brits uphold their occupation. :eusa_dance:

[ciaranxavier]

Let me see here do they stand in elections in the six counties are the 26-county state? If they have support then why do they not carry out attacks more often? Every group will have support, but seems there support base is insignificant, yes the people did support the Provisional IRA because they carried out attacks on behalf of Irish Freedom, they policed the nationalist/republican communites, the micro groups do barley anything at all, look at the recent elections in the six counties? What does that represent in the Real and Continuity IRA?

did the PSF always stand in elections in the north?

and the reason they dont carry out attacks right now is as theyve said they are reorganizing after the vacuum PSF left and the problem of informers is being weeded out i believe. and are you saying those that dont follow your point of view are insignificant how do you plan to unite ireland when you believe other ideas to be insignificant? and these groups will be carrying out attacks in the name of irish freedom so whats wrong with that? is the elections all you have for your argument because again the people didnt support the PIRA all the time so why did they only disband now?

[ciaranxavier]

:icon_lol: I honestly dont know how you can come to the above conclusion that republicans are no threat to the british,i guess the branch ,RUC etc just harrass us all the time for the fun of it ?

And you say that its to dangerous to join what you term a "micro group",as you may get jailed or killed, was it not dangerous during the so called troubles to be involved in republicanism aswell ? so what you are saying is that you would prefer to just play it safe as part of the establishment to avoid any danger.And just to be extra safe help the brits uphold their occupation. :eusa_dance:

oh but kev in his eyes the PIRA were fighting for irish freedom well the rest of the irish willing to give their lives are insignificant.

[Young Irelander]

:icon_lol: I honestly dont know how you can come to the above conclusion that republicans are no threat to the british,i guess the branch ,RUC etc just harrass us all the time for the fun of it ?

And you say that its to dangerous to join what you term a "micro group",as you may get jailed or killed, was it not dangerous during the so called troubles to be involved in republicanism aswell ? so what you are saying is that you would prefer to just play it safe as part of the establishment to avoid any danger.And just to be extra safe help the brits uphold their occupation. :eusa_dance:

If they are threats to the Brits, where has the threats been turnt into action, when was the last successful attack carried out against the occupiers? Yeah it was dangerous during the armed struggle of the IRA to be an Irish Republican as the SAS had the shoot to kill policy, the loyalist death squads provided with intelligence by the Security Forces, collusion in all levels and the day to day harrassement of Irish Republicans, no what I am saying is that enough lifes have been lost, enough lives ruined by death and lengthy times in gaol, what I am saying is what the vast majority of Irish people North and South voted and want peace while some people who claim to be representing the Irish People want to wage a futile armed campagin risking the lives of innocent civilans as well as members of the grops they represent...

[ciaranxavier]

If they are threats to the Brits, where has the threats been turnt into action, when was the last successful attack carried out against the occupiers? Yeah it was dangerous during the armed struggle of the IRA to be an Irish Republican as the SAS had the shoot to kill policy, the loyalist death squads provided with intelligence by the Security Forces, collusion in all levels and the day to day harrassement of Irish Republicans, no what I am saying is that enough lifes have been lost, enough lives ruined by death and lengthy times in gaol, what I am saying is what the vast majority of Irish people North and South voted and want peace while some people who claim to be representing the Irish People want to wage a futile armed campagin risking the lives of innocent civilans as well as members of the grops they represent...

what does their activity matter its the intention that were talking about not their activity.

[Young Irelander]

did the PSF always stand in elections in the north?

and the reason they dont carry out attacks right now is as theyve said they are reorganizing after the vacuum PSF left and the problem of informers is being weeded out i believe. and are you saying those that dont follow your point of view are insignificant how do you plan to unite ireland when you believe other ideas to be insignificant? and these groups will be carrying out attacks in the name of irish freedom so whats wrong with that? is the elections all you have for your argument because again the people didnt support the PIRA all the time so why did they only disband now?

No they never always stood in elections in the North but they have been in the last 25 years, vacuum left by the IRA, the Continuity IRA and the Real IRA have been in existance since 1987 and 1997, there is no vacuum left by the IRA, if people did not want to join the ranks of the Provisional IRA, they could have joined the micro groups, is the elections all what I have in my argument, no it is not, but is the fact that you say that the British remain in Ireland the only argument you have to try and defeat them militarily? The People didnt support the IRA all the time, a good number of the Republican people always supported the Provisional IRA, it was events like Bloody Sunday, the Falls Road curfuew and gunning down of young soldiers was what got the support of the Irish people...