Ógra Shinn Féin Organise Basque Solidarity Protest in Dublin

[Ógra Shinn Féin]

Ógra Shinn Féin held a demonstration outside the GPO in Dublin Saturday last in solidarity with the people of the Basque country, especially the leaders of Batasuna and SEGI, who have been recently arrested and sentenced to irrational jail terms, by the Spanish authorities. In response to this Ógra Shinn Féin working with the Dublin Basque committee mobilised onto the streets of Dublin to bring the issue to the public.

For full post:

http://ograshinnfein.blogspot.com/2007/12/gra-shinn-fin-organise-basque.html

For film of protest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gIn8wyERaE

[FreeDerry81]

Ógra Shinn Féin held a demonstration outside the GPO in Dublin Saturday last in solidarity with the people of the Basque country, especially the leaders of Batasuna and SEGI, who have been recently arrested and sentenced to irrational jail terms, by the Spanish authorities. In response to this Ógra Shinn Féin working with the Dublin Basque committee mobilised onto the streets of Dublin to bring the issue to the public.

For full post:

http://ograshinnfein.blogspot.com/2007/12/gra-shinn-fin-organise-basque.html

For film of protest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gIn8wyERaE
It seems Ogra Shinners are protesting for resistance activists in different countries, but fail to recognise the prisoners in Ireland, what about the prisoners here? your own people! well, some could argue but does ogra fail to recognise the conditions that republicans endure here north & south. I dont think thats right at all.

[Vox Populi]

Some nice D4 accents in that video. Good cause though.

[scarface]

It seems Ogra Shinners are protesting for resistance activists in different countries, but fail to recognise the prisoners in Ireland, what about the prisoners here? your own people! well, some could argue but does ogra fail to recognise the conditions that republicans endure here north & south. I dont think thats right at all.

you see it's acceptable for them to highlight abuses on prisoners abroad but you mus'nt mention the nasty people who don't support the GFA it's the same with a lot of these 'college activists' labour youth etc they care a lot more about tibets freedom or some other 'fashionable' cause and don't give a **** about the freedom of their own country

[robertemmett]

i wonder how ogra people feel about this??

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7129002.stm

could someone please outline how spain is a undemocratic country, with bans on freedom of speech, imprisonment without trial, intitutionalist racial or sectararian discrimination???

what justifies armed stuggle by the ETA in Spain.??

how are conditions in Pais Vasco different than those in say... derry.. or even dungannon.

perhaps some of our global justice crusaders in ogra could enlighten me

[Daithí]

same with a lot of these 'college activists' labour youth etc they care a lot more about tibets freedom or some other 'fashionable' cause and don't give a **** about the freedom of their own country
Would you refer to yourself as an activist?

could someone please outline how spain is a undemocratic country, with bans on freedom of speech, imprisonment without trial, intitutionalist racial or sectararian discrimination???

what justifies armed stuggle by the ETA in Spain.??

how are conditions in Pais Vasco different than those in say... derry.. or even dungannon.

perhaps some of our global justice crusaders in ogra could enlighten me
Well, it appears to be a popular struggle, but I don't know. Suppose you could email OSF?

[FreeDerry81]

Would you refer to yourself as an activist?


Well, it appears to be a popular struggle, but I don't know. Suppose you could email OSF?
Did a member of Ogra not post this article, it seems all they do is post on the forum and never address any questions raised by republicans. Why cant they respond here? why would we email them when they can respsond to the issues here.

[Daithí]

Did a member of Ogra not post this article, it seems all they do is post on the forum and never address any questions raised by republicans. Why cant they respond here? why would we email them when they can respsond to the issues here.

I would guess that whoever is on the account is extremely busy. They have'nt time on their hands for forums like this. We all know how long and drawn debates can go. www.osf.ie anyway if you have any questions. If you really want them answered theres nothing stopping you.

[robertemmett]

Would you refer to yourself as an activist?


Well, it appears to be a popular struggle, but I don't know. Suppose you could email OSF?


in fairness daithi, i didnt post the thread merely responded to it.
but there is enough ogra ones on here to come and defend this. though these threads to appear to be spam press statements.

why does barry mc c not attach his name to this version of the release, he does so on the one to indymedia??????

[robertemmett]

sorry cross posting.

see your reply there now daithi

[JPL]

Always finding the negatives you lot are.

[Daithí]

n fairness daithi, i didnt post the thread merely responded to it.
I know I was asked scarface.

but there is enough ogra ones on here to come and defend this. though these threads to appear to be spam press statements.
As I say, as far as I know, OSF people tend to be very busy, and I'd assume that is still the case. If these press statements are of concern to you you can report the post. But to be honest, the function of the party forums are to cater for these statements. If a statement is published in a newspaper you also cannot reply to it. You can always email OSF if you have a query. They will reply, I know that from experience. Anyway I made a point above if you just want to touch on it, instead of having yet another debate about the post rather than the topic itself.

[Seabird]

JPL,

It is always easier to rip a new arse to the ones doing the hard work. Let them ramble, we all know what time it is!!

[scarface]

JPL,

It is always easier to rip a new arse to the ones doing the hard work. Let them ramble, we all know what time it is!!

yeah it's 6.50p.m

[scarface]

I know I was asked scarface.


asked me what?

[Daithí]

Asked you did you consider yourself an activist.

same with a lot of these 'college activists' labour youth etc they care a lot more about tibets freedom or some other 'fashionable' cause and don't give a **** about the freedom of their own country

Would you refer to yourself as an activist?

[JPL]

yeah it's 6.50p.m

7:02 here. You're a bit behind the times there scarface.

[FreeDerry81]

7:02 here. You're a bit behind the times there scarface.
7.14 here:hmmm: just kidding, il stop :eusa_silenced:

[Daithí]

Hmm.

Back on topic anyway.. Scarface

same with a lot of these 'college activists' labour youth etc they care a lot more about tibets freedom or some other 'fashionable' cause and don't give a **** about the freedom of their own country

Would you consider yourself an activist?

[scarface]

Hmm.

Back on topic anyway.. Scarface



Would you consider yourself an activist?

well i consider myself to be a member of Sinn Féin poblachtach and an active one at that but the point i was making was that there are many people who want freedom for other countries but don't care about their own and many of them are in college and they consider themselves to be 'radical' untill the day they leave college

[Mellows1922]

inbut there is enough ogra ones on here to come and defend this. though these threads to appear to be spam press statements.

It is a press release, the account is mainly for posting press releases. It's not spam, it's been posted in the Sinn Fein section of the board

why does barry mc c not attach his name to this version of the release, he does so on the one to indymedia??????

Because he doesn't have to, the same as press releases from any other organisation are not required to have the name of the author attached.

[Daithí]

ell i consider myself to be a member of Sinn Féin poblachtach and an active one at that but the point i was making was that there are many people who want freedom for other countries but don't care about their own and many of them are in college and they consider themselves to be 'radical' untill the day they leave college


So you too are a ''college activist''? Is this ''fashionable''?

[scarface]

So you too are a ''college activist''? Is this ''fashionable''?

well im not in college anymore and i don't think being opposed to brit rule is fashionable but many people especially students see foreign causes as being fashionable but don't care about Irish political prisoners or Irish freedom

[Daithí]

well im not in college anymore and i don't think being opposed to brit rule is fashionable but many people especially students see foreign causes as being fashionable but don't care about Irish political prisoners or Irish freedom

Perhaps...

[JPL]

And what gives you the belief that Ógra doesn't care about Irish prisoners and freedom? I think at this point, you're trying very hard to find flaws - while clearly avoiding the good work being done.

It's getting tedious, because you're otherwise a good poster.

[scarface]

And what gives you the belief that Ógra doesn't care about Irish prisoners and freedom? I think at this point, you're trying very hard to find flaws - while clearly avoiding the good work being done.

It's getting tedious, because you're otherwise a good poster.

well they don't care about Irish political prisoners and i believe that most Ogra provos do care about Irish freedom but it boggles my mind how they can't see that their party leadership does'nt

[JPL]

well they don't care about Irish political prisoners and i believe that most Ogra provos do care about Irish freedom but it boggles my mind how they can't see that their party leadership does'nt

What gives you the belief that they don't care about Irish prisoners? I'm not in Ógra, and there is none here in my City so I'm not fully up to scratch on every campaign they have - But I'm sure, they "care" about Irish political prisoners. They may not be marching everyday about it, but it doesn't mean they don't care.

I think it's very childish for you to label them like that. I'd expect more from you scarface. For your own sake, just drop the anti-sf agenda. I know you don't agree with the party's policies, but it doesn't mean you need to attack SF or Ógra at every given opportunity, because that's what you're doing and a few others with you.

Surely you could put your time to more constructive use?

[Calv]

you see it's acceptable for them to highlight abuses on prisoners abroad but you mus'nt mention the nasty people who don't support the GFA it's the same with a lot of these 'college activists' labour youth etc they care a lot more about tibets freedom or some other 'fashionable' cause and don't give a **** about the freedom of their own country

They are highlighting the abuse of prisoners abroad because the people of the Basque country are working in solidarity with OSF. Why would OSF highlight issues on behalf of CIRA prisoners when the groups who campaign for them view them as traitors and sellouts?

[Daithí]

OSF's statements send greetings to all POW's as far as I know. For the record.

[ANE32]

Signed the petition! I dont agree with Sinn Féin on a lot of things but this is one thing I support them on,or should I say support the Basque people on! As for the D4 comment someone made,I am originally from D4! but have always been a socialist and proud of it!:thumbsup:

[duggie-89]

well i consider myself to be a member of Sinn Féin poblachtach and an active one at that but the point i was making was that there are many people who want freedom for other countries but don't care about their own and many of them are in college and they consider themselves to be 'radical' untill the day they leave college

yes point taken and i think that that point was made earlier on in some other thread, but the fact is that they were there and they made the point, what ever their reasons for doing so be it being fashionable or not should not be branded about.

they made the point and highlighted it. sometimes its easier to get others interested in local affairs if you can explain them on a topic abroad ie if its to close to home they turn off they dont want to no but if they get turned on about a foreign cause it is more likely to lead on to interest in conditions and events back home because they will be simular.

[Calv]

They are highlighting the abuse of prisoners abroad because the people of the Basque country are working in solidarity with OSF. Why would OSF highlight issues on behalf of CIRA prisoners when the groups who campaign for them view them as traitors and sellouts?

Any chance of an answer Scarface?

[FreeDerry81]

Any chance of an answer Scarface?

From what i've heard, some prisoners write to psf members from their cells. I dont remember where i heard the source but somebody deffs did say that to me. Do you Calv, not think that the conditions of republican prisoners should not be addressed by Ógra? If they claim to be republican then the issue should be raised at their daily meetings.

[Calv]

From what i've heard, some prisoners write to psf members from their cells. I dont remember where i heard the source but somebody deffs did say that to me. Do you Calv, not think that the conditions of republican prisoners should not be addressed by Ógra? If they claim to be republican then the issue should be raised at their daily meetings.

That doesen't answer my question.

[scarface]

They are highlighting the abuse of prisoners abroad because the people of the Basque country are working in solidarity with OSF. Why would OSF highlight issues on behalf of CIRA prisoners when the groups who campaign for them view them as traitors and sellouts?

well my point is that there are Irish political prisoners and i think it's hypocritical to support Basque POW's and also support a party that encourages informing on republicans and who signed away prisoners rights in 1998 and also there are provo prisoners where is the rally for them?

[Calv]

well my point is that there are Irish political prisoners and i think it's hypocritical to support Basque POW's and also support a party that encourages informing on republicans and who signed away prisoners rights in 1998 and also there are provo prisoners where is the rally for them?

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/80228

[FreeDerry81]

That doesen't answer my question.

you never asked me the question, :hmmm:

[FreeDerry81]

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/80228

This protest was in support of the remaining Provisional IRA prisoners that remain imprisoned, do they not support ALL prisoners?

[Calv]

you never asked me the question, :hmmm:

Why reply to me asking Scarface for an answer if your not willing to address the points I made then?

[scarface]

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/80228

that was in 2006 FFS!!

[Mellows1922]

that was in 2006 FFS!!

Maybe so, it was still a larger mobilisation than RSF or anybody else has had in recent years in relation to the prison issue.

[scarface]

Maybe so, it was still a larger mobilisation than RSF or anybody else has had in recent years in relation to the prison issue.

well there looks to be about 50 people at that provo picket i know that there were over 70 people at a RSF prisoner picket in lurgan a few months back

[Vox Populi]

Apparently the Basque issue isn't a big deal. Seamingly on another blog entry, a member of OSF seems to enjoy holidays in Salou.