Why should I support RSF

[wherenow]

Cén fáth ba chóir dom tachaiocht a thabhairt do RSF? Tabhair dom an fáth?

Why should I suppot RSF. Would people refrain from criticizing any RSF position, but simply ask questions so that RSF suporters can reply to.

[wherenow]

Aon duine?
Anybody?

[Ernie O'Malley]

I find Sein Féin Poblachtach an Interesting Party. Its history is as inspiring as it's Future, I think the only way to understand Sinn Féin to to read the history of it when I understood what happened in 1986 I became firm in the Knowledge that O'Bradaigh leading the walk out was right then and Sinn Féin poblachtach continues to be proven right.
I believe Sinn Féin Poblachtacht to be 103 years old I believe it to be the only Sinn Féin and this belief strengthens with each statement and piece of knowledge aswell as political events in the OSC.

I do not know how to tell anyone why they should support the Party though as a Republican From a strong traditional Republican family I take comfort that the Beliefs I have now are those of those before me, this is not to say they are stuck in the past, obviously things change but the Principle shouldn't and with Sinn Féin it hasn'.

Éire Nua IMO offrs the only coherent solution to Partition, it is an amazing programme and the only programme which realistically deals with real democracy and representation.
This is backed up with Saol Nua a sound economic programme to compliment the Republic.

All in all it is A Traditional Republican Party with a sound coherent strategy for the future resolution to Partition, It promotes our national language which I personally am extremely interested in and sports aswell as focusing on peoples rights workers and minority communities most recently...
It is Organised on a 32 county basis with a central leadership and structure.

This is a basic outline of why I support it, to be honest I only began supporting Sinn Féin (poblachtach) when I felt Provo's had gave in and it has taken me quite a few years to fully appreciate and understand the party and I have still a long way to go before I would feel ready to apply for full membership.
I was supportive for at leat a year before I could identify with the Party due to my own ignorance but the more I read and follw the more for me anyway I realise I have always supported Sinn Féin and its Constitution and Republican Principle but I feel for many years I was "blinded by the lights " of others who claimed to be that Sinn Féin when realistically they were not.

This is all an individual thing it is what I believe so I am not trying to nark anyone else please do not take it as anything other than a few of my honest reasons for supporting Sinn Féin (poblachtach)

I think people should support them Due to Éire Nua due to their devotion to the history and culture of the Land a determination to settle Partition with a democratic workable solution.
I think people should support them because they have been proven correct in 1938 in 1969 and in 1986 I believe there is a current "new breath of fresh air" atmosphere in the party a possivity to be embraced.
I believe they are balatenly real in their evaluations and propoasals a realism that sees them ridiculed at times and they are organised well through out the Country.
The Biggest reason has to be Éire Nua I really would like all Irish People to embrace this when it is read it is so simple to see how it could work so well, basically if the Brits left tomorrow Sinn Féin would still be a passion for Irish Democrats due to Éire Nua and Saol Nua with in the party there are passions and effective attitudes the party is not solely built around British Occupation or as a consequence to others strategies or plans it is a unique party aimed at benefiting the entire people of Ireland and for that I think you should maybe have a close look at them?

[Vox Populi]

If you support RSF, why not join it?

[Ernie O'Malley]

I was in active in another Party for a long while,
I actively support Sinn Féin, leaflet Drops attend pickets protests etc, I would need to be very sure of my own capabilities and committment before Joining the Party as I spent years supporting others Blindly with out method or reason, so I would have to be very well educated on every issue before becoming a "representitive" i.e a Member I feel it would be disrespectful to others with in the party any other way.

[Comrade Ryan]

Def communitarian aka Ernie O'Malley.

Communitarian gave virtually this eact response to Mellows once when asked why he ddin't join the party he continually banged on about.

Why the two id's?

[Comrade Ryan]

Communitarian/Ernie O'Malley,

Don't send me anymore insulting pms - keep it out in the open - I don't debate nor fight through private messages.

[wherenow]

Fan ar an bpoint.

Let's keep to the point. Positive reasons for joining RSF. What is positive about RSF positions and activities?

[Ernie O'Malley]

On Revsion read PM entitled TIT again all further posts ignored and derailment reported.

Have you read Éire Nua where now?

[wherenow]

Fan ar an bpoint mo chairde.

Stay on the point guys. Positive reasons to support RSF. Please take this discussion on identity elsewhere.

[Ernie O'Malley]

Your 100% WN I used PM to sort it anyway as I said have you Read Éire Nua if so what do you think of it?

[Ernie O'Malley]

Sorry I was answering your question with a question not very helpfull what I will try and do tomorrow is to give you what I think about Éire Nua and attempt to explain my opinion of it as a supporter and then If Im getting it horribly wrong a Party person can correct me!

[Comrade Ryan]

PM's like this are a good reason not to support RSF:

tit
Im not going to derail another good thread due to bullsh!t so either take it up with Konokeo or knock it on the head you ****ing looser

But then someone using sock puppets and not having the courage to join the party he bangs on about, probably isnt the best person to take advice from Wherenow.

But then I see you haven't had many responses to the question of why you should support RSF, even in a RSF section.

Perhaps this answers your question sufficiently?

[Ernie O'Malley]

Why is this Arse hole trying to turn a Good thread about him? Ive took his cowardly ranting to PM, he doesnt respond whos he trying to impress? I couldnt give a Fcuk about this illierate done nothing, Moderators please This question was allowed to be debated in all other sub party forums, why is this **** being permitted to ruin the Sinn Féin one?

Ive PM'd the waster telling him to do it over PM and reported the Post people have been banned for less. I took it to PM as WN requested to keep this important question on topic why is this Childish carry on permitted?

[Comrade Ryan]

Ok lets not make it personal then, I don't want you to have to keep reporting me.

A question was asked 'why I should support RSF?'

How come there aren't any responses, except from a non-party member asking have you read Eire Nua?

Thats a fair question to ask, relevant to the thread and a lot more civil than many posts in similar threads in the other sections.

[Ernie O'Malley]

The Non-Party member posted why he supported the Party I think you'll find.

Plus do you not rate supporters, your movement must be very pretentious if you have to be a member to be respected...

At least With Sinn Féin poblachtach they respect and accommodate for their supporters....

So there is another reason to support Sinn Féin Poblachtach they value their supporters, unlike others, they accomodate their supporters with out expecting anything in return...they go out of their way to educate their supporters and aid their supporters, they invite their supporters to help if they want and can and do not look upon their supporters as beneath the Party.
There are a few solid reasons why people should support this party they Value their Support and do not hold them seves superior to their people.


I supported another party for many years. When I became disillusioned and Confused I looked around for a good while now Sinn Féin poblachtach have patiently accomodated for me and a few mates making us comfortable with being supporters, other parties call those who dont join them but merely support them "Wannabes" Sinn Féin Poblachtach obviously aren't as offensive as that I think if you are in need of a new outlook and want to gain an impartial view on republicanism with out being pressured or made feel small Sinn Féin poblachtach is the perfect open friendly and educational party.

[Comrade Ryan]

The Non-Party member posted why he supported the Party I think you'll find.

Plus do you not rate supporters, your movement must be very pretentious if you have to be a member to be respected....

I'm no longer in any movement but I do respect supporters, I was more interested in why party member hadn't spoke out. I have raised this on the Sinn Fein one too.

At least With Sinn Féin poblachtach they respect and accommodate for their supporters....

As they should and as I would.

So there is another reason to support Sinn Féin Poblachtach they value their supporters, unlike others, they accomodate their supporters with out expecting anything in return...they go out of their way to educate their supporters and aid their supporters, they invite their supporters to help if they want and can and do not look upon their supporters as beneath the Party.....

Well I can't comment on RSF because depsite living in a republican area I have had virtually no contact with any of their members, because they are not active on the ground at all. Christ it appears they can't even find one to mind their shop on the Falls, which is almost permanently shut.

But i'm sure most supporters feel appreciated by the movements they support or surely they'd reconsider their support.

There are a few solid reasons why people should support this party they Value their Support and do not hold them seves superior to their people.

No they just hold themselves superior to other republicans in general.

[Ernie O'Malley]

I personally know that the Sinn Féin poblachtach office on the Falls road is Open regulary- only closed on a Wednesday and the Weekend though since the start of the Prison campaign an since its suspension open Most saturdays for a few hours, The McKelvey/Steele Cumann Belfast are sound representitives of Belfast Republicanism and Fielded a candidate in the March Elections Geraldine Taylor Recieved 427 votes in West Belfast having only a fortnight of preparation and a complete media ban infact a paid election piece was kept to the back pages of a local paper which broke agreement, It has also been to the fore of opposing normalisation and central in the National Prisoner of War Issue hosting many succesful pickets and doing sterling work for the Prisoners, indeed the mother of a POW is a solid worker and also represented the cumann at the recent Ard Fhéis speaking very well on the prisoners issues which can be read in this months Saoirse.

Sinn Féin poblachtach have logic and methodical thinking behind their stance on their republican position, they are the inheritants of the Sinn Féin name and through their work and their policies they have honoured the Name and position.

Sinn Féin poblachtach as a party have been increasingly active in the past 2 years and have highlighted many issues despite a 26 county and 6 county media ban.

There is no superiority held with in the Party as I said they accomodate people and treat those they come in to contact with as equals they are enthusiastic when met with an Individual and the issues of the individual and they are an extremely learned party with a sound knowledge of the lay of the 32 counties of Ireland and recognise all aspects of this which is why I and many others who support Sinn Féin poblachtacht would help out now and then but would be prepared and be permitted to achieve a full sound understanding before becoming a fully fledged member, it is a party that breeds tradition truth and respect.

[Comrade Ryan]

I personally know that the Sinn Féin poblachtach office on the Falls road is Open regulary- only closed on a Wednesday and the Weekend though since the start of the Prison campaign an since its suspension open Most saturdays for a few hours,.

Not true it is closed way more than it is opened. I pass it nearly every day through work. It is closed that often that I really can't see the point of it at all.


The McKelvey/Steele Cumann Belfast are sound representitives of Belfast Republicanism ,.

What do they do? Any links you can direct me to that might shedsome light on their work because I have never seen them do anything.


and Fielded a candidate in the March Elections Geraldine Taylor Recieved 427 votes in West Belfast having only a fortnight of preparation and a complete media ban infact a paid election piece was kept to the back pages of a local paper which broke agreement,,.

From my own expereince many of her votes were anti-cop votes even though people that voted for her had little time for her personally or the party.

However, such is the distaste for her and the party that most anti-cop and anti-agreement voters couldn't even bring themselves to cast a vote in her direction.

Think she finished up behind the Workers Party. That says a lot.

It has also been to the fore of opposing normalisation and central in the National Prisoner of War Issue hosting many succesful pickets and doing sterling work for the Prisoners, indeed the mother of a POW is a solid worker and also represented the cumann at the recent Ard Fhéis speaking very well on the prisoners issues which can be read in this months Saoirse.

Seen a picket outside their shop once. Think the IRSM had one in solidarity but weren't made to feel very welcome.

They might work on behalf of their prisoners but have a very nasty attitude to the prisoners of other groups, both inside and outside the jail. The aul superiority thing - even with people who - operationally - they couldn't lace their boots.


Sinn Féin poblachtach as a party have been increasingly active in the past 2 years and have highlighted many issues despite a 26 county and 6 county media ban..

Not in Belfast they haven't - unless their increased activity is secret.

There is no superiority held with in the Party as I said they accomodate people and treat those they come in to contact with as equals..

Patently untrue as most people here will atest too. They view themselves as superior to others even when its the furthest thing from the truth. They feel this superiority can come from rhetoric not from action.

They snub people from other groups all the time and view most other republicans as will o the wisp types.

Even though most other groups records leaves RSF with very little to boast about.
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[scarface]

keep this on topic please and i think you should support RSF because we are the only organisation that has an alternative to the failed 'stormont agreement' and i believe RSF is the only organisation that is build on a sound foundation of principles that won't flirt with the idea of sitting in partitionist parliaments

[Puddies]

keep this on topic please and i think you should support RSF because we are the only organisation that has an alternative to the failed 'stormont agreement' and i believe RSF is the only organisation that is build on a sound foundation of principles that won't flirt with the idea of sitting in partitionist parliaments:bow:

[Ernie O'Malley]

Not true it is closed way more than it is opened. I pass it nearly every day through work. It is closed that often that I really can't see the point of it at all.

Well that is a sweeping statement that is a falsity. I can assure you the Office and Shop is opened Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday. Aswell as most Saturdays as I have already clearly explained, I be in it enough use it and I aswell as many others the office supports and advises see it as a neccessary part of Republicanism, support and advise and It is Very positive that the Centre makes such a difference and despite what it is up against those who run it Keep it open and running successfully.
To Quote "We are here and we are very much in Busines"


What do they do? Any links you can direct me to that might shedsome light on their work because I have never seen them do anything.

Here (http://saoirse.21.forumer.com/index.php)
Here (http://rsf.ie/index.html)
and here (http://saoirse.info/)

Here are a few sources that give a few examples of the Work Sinn Féin poblachtach carries out, I will for Where Now later on highlight a couple of Campaigns I thought Sinn Féin worked well on.

From my own expereince many of her votes were anti-cop votes even though people that voted for her had little time for her personally or the party.

Another aweeping statement that cannot be backed up, I was on the Electioneering team and can assure you the Votes were worked hard for with limited resources and over 400 votes went to Sinn Féin poblachtach.
Keep to the facts.

However, such is the distaste for her and the party that most anti-cop and anti-agreement voters couldn't even bring themselves to cast a vote in her direction.

:hmmm: This is another sweeping statement from your perspective which can be argued but lets stick to Facts shall we.

Think she finished up behind the Workers Party. That says a lot.

What exactly does it say? for an abstentionist party who led nearly a decade long Campaign to Spoil Votes not register to Vote excetera many people we met on the Door Steps who were orientated to the Party would not participate in a Stormont election.

Seen a picket outside their shop once. Think the IRSM had one in solidarity but weren't made to feel very welcome.


10 months of Pickets with many speakers Very succesful occasions each Picket including the Picket a fortnight ago reported fully in Saoirse see archives in the link provided, the IRSP Protest was Further up the Road.

They might work on behalf of their prisoners but have a very nasty attitude to the prisoners of other groups, both inside and outside the jail. The aul superiority thing - even with people who - operationally - they couldn't lace their boots.

Well you are talking A.) about Operations, a thing you would not understand and Militarism which has nothing to do with why someone would support Sinn Féin Poblachtach, b.)I have worked on the Prison issue and there is no attitude other than one of solidarity with in the Gaols and With out although the principled stance does not changed it is laughable this unfounded allegation made up obviously by those with no knowledge of the Prison Situation due to Sinn Féins No broad front stance, Prisoners from CIRA are supported yes but the CIRA strike supported by the RPAG was a Protest for All Prisoners of War so the allegation? it doesnt hold.
I have explained it is not superiority it is a methodically thought out and logical stance based upon Fact, as for lacing peoples boots there is no hierarchy amongst POW's they are all Republican Prisoners fighting for their Country it is very Childish to think they Judge each other on the inside upon operations on the Outside and on having worked for Prisoners and understanding the situation the prisoners are in the same fold basically.
So it was just another non-factual Jibe that cannot be supported with fact


Not in Belfast they haven't - unless their increased activity is secret.

Belfast was to the Fore of the Machaire Bui RPAG Prison Protest, and have a visable presence on the Falls Road where all are welcome and from my knowledge the Centre is Kept busy.

Patently untrue as most people here will atest too. They view themselves as superior to others even when its the furthest thing from the truth. They feel this superiority can come from rhetoric not from action.

Already explained twice, repetition.

They snub people from other groups all the time and view most other republicans as will o the wisp types.

Repitition, see Saoirse for Debate on Broad Front resolution.

Even though most other groups records leaves RSF with very little to boast about.

103 years Unbroken Continuty? Sinn Féin poblachtach have a 103 year history to boast of and realistically unlike all others this party has policies and principles to see it succeed in much for many many more years.
Sinn Féin poblachtach has a great history and an exciting future ahead!

Éire Nua by its self puts the party beyond all others as there is no one else with such an alternitive to partition.

[Comrade Ryan]

I dont agree with virutally everything there but if you're happy to harp on with it go ahead. I'll let the thread keep on topic.

[MartinP]

The reason I support Republican Sinn Féin is because I see their policy documents as sound. See Éire Nua - http://www.rsf.ie/eirenua.htm , Saol Nua - http://www.rsf.ie/saolnua.htm Also see Towards a Peaceful Ireland - http://www.rsf.ie/wp8.htm

I think Éire Nua in particular sets out a workable alternative to the current set up of partition. I think anyone who believes in decentralisation of power will find it attractive. It also sets out possibly the most attractive option for unionists in an independent Ireland with the proposals of Dáil Uladh (as well as assemblies for the other 3 provinces, making it an appeal to quite a number of Irish people). Admittedly a lot more should be done in promoting the policy, particularly (in my opinion) making it widely known among the unionist people.

[wherenow]

D'fheach mé ar Saol nua.

I looked at saol nua. Could you highlight some main points off this programme and say what the RSF is doing about it?

For example I liked the points below. Could you say what RSF proposes/is doing in this area.

"The United Nations Human Development Report, launched in Dublin in July 2003, contains some shocking statistics for the 26 Counties:

9.3% of those born today are not expected to survive the age of 60;
22.6% of adults lack functional literary skills;
12.3% live below the poverty line, as defined by the UN.

This means that the 26 County State is second only to the United States as being the most unequal society in what is known as the Developed World, that is second worst out of 17 countries. The ‘United Kingdom’, which includes the Six Counties, is ranked fifteenth. Sweden, Norway and the Netherlands have the lowest levels of poverty."

Go raibh maith agat.

[scarface]

D'fheach mé ar Saol nua.

I looked at saol nua. Could you highlight some main points off this programme and say what the RSF is doing about it?

For example I liked the points below. Could you say what RSF proposes/is doing in this area.

"The United Nations Human Development Report, launched in Dublin in July 2003, contains some shocking statistics for the 26 Counties:

9.3% of those born today are not expected to survive the age of 60;
22.6% of adults lack functional literary skills;
12.3% live below the poverty line, as defined by the UN.

This means that the 26 County State is second only to the United States as being the most unequal society in what is known as the Developed World, that is second worst out of 17 countries. The ‘United Kingdom’, which includes the Six Counties, is ranked fifteenth. Sweden, Norway and the Netherlands have the lowest levels of poverty."
Go raibh maith agat.

well as you know it's hard for RSF to do anything about the issue of poverty but all of our members are encouaged to get involved in community issues and several of our members have done and also many of our members are active in trade unions and through the trade unions can help those who are on low pay or in danger of being unjustly fired etc and also one of the reasons for showing those stats is to show the negative impact partition and capatilism is having in Ireland and recently we had a picket on a centra shop in Dublin because it was brought to our attention that they had not paid wages in 3 weeks and after the picket the wages were paid i believe we should be doing more of that

[QuinnP]

Can I join even tho i live in America?

[MartinP]

Cumann na Saoirse is the American branch of the Movement.

See more at www.irishfreedom.net

[wherenow]

Chuala mé inniu go bhfuil RSF i gcoinne Lisbon treaty, mar gheall ar na sasnaigh sa tuisceart.

I heard today from a RSF spokesperson that the Lisbon Treaty was being opposed on the basis of British presence in the North. Is this correct? If so will that be the main focus of the opposition from RSF?

[scarface]

Chuala mé inniu go bhfuil RSF i gcoinne Lisbon treaty, mar gheall ar na sasnaigh sa tuisceart.

I heard today from a RSF spokesperson that the Lisbon Treaty was being opposed on the basis of British presence in the North. Is this correct? If so will that be the main focus of the opposition from RSF?

were you at the Daithi O'Conaill commemoration today? well we are opposed to imperialism in all it's forms including a european super state

[wherenow]

Bhi.

Yes, but from what i heard it sounded like this was going to be the main thrust of opposition to the Lisbon Treaty. Down here I don't see that as motivating many to vote no. Do you?