Why should I support the 32csm

[wherenow]

Cén fáth ba chóir dom tachaiocht a thabhairt do 32 csm? Tabhair dom an fáth?

Why should I suppot 32csm. Would people refrain from criticizing any 32csm position, but simply ask questions so that 32csm suporters can reply to.

[southarmaghceltic1888]

I support the 32CSM because I think that the current PSF policies will not deliver the final goal of a United Ireland. I just can't get it through my head, how will accepting partition and policing bring The north any closer to the Republic. Its a step backwards in my eyes, not a stepping stone. But the 32CSM in my eyes have stayed steadfast in their goals and commitments.

[Calv]

I support the 32CSM because I think that the current PSF policies will not deliver the final goal of a United Ireland. I just can't get it through my head, how will accepting partition and policing bring The north any closer to the Republic. Its a step backwards in my eyes, not a stepping stone. But the 32CSM in my eyes have stayed steadfast in their goals and commitments.

You've just basically said that you support the 32CSM because of Sinn Féin's strategy, there is no logic in that all. I think what wherenow is asking is why people have come to the decision of supporting the 32CSM and why they think the 32CSM's strategy will bring about a United Ireland in order to have an understanding as to why they should be supported by himself. Maybe you could explain why you think so?

[southarmaghceltic1888]

How does that not make sense? If i dont support PSF then im obviosly going to support some one else, and it's the 32CSM. I support them because how in the world will supporting partition and British police bring and end to it? 32CSM does not accept partition and policing and as i said they are strong in their goals.

[CelticWarrior]

Tell me why I should support 32csm as well as the CIRA, please tell me.
Celtic Warrior

LIBERATION OR DEATH

[kev86]

Tell me why I should support 32csm as well as the CIRA, please tell me.
Celtic Warrior

LIBERATION OR DEATH

The CIRA and the 32s have nothing to do with each other mate

[RyanSouthDerry]

No one can tell you who to support only you can choose it would be best if you read up on each group to see who you agree with.

visit the 32csm website (www.32csm.org) and read the constitution, if you agree with it then you can support them, if you dont agree with the constitution then perhaps RSF or the IRSP would be in your interest.

[southarmaghceltic1888]

I can't tell you why you should support the CIRA because they have nothing to do with eachother. You seem very no educated on the subject.

[wherenow]

Ceart go leor. Ar an thread seo is cuma liom faoi SF, ba mhaith liom a cloisteal cén fath ba chóir dom tachaicoht a thabhairt do 32 CSM.

O.k On this thread i don't care about Sf, i wnat o hear positive reasons for supporting 32 csm. I don't want to hear i suppoert 32 csm because i disagree with sf.

Give me positive reasons to support 32csm. What will they do? How will they change things in the south? Why will the lives of ordinary people be better? etc.

Just give me positive reasons, not negative ones. If you oppose 32 csm just ask questions and let the answers speak for themselves. Please

[Jim]

If you believe that irish sovereignty should be defended,that the irish people have an inalienable right to decide their own future without foreign interference and would like to get involved in positive action to defend ireland sovereignty then you should support the 32CSM.

We do not run in elections and our movement is set up within totally democratic strutures which allows all our members to have a say in how the movement is run.

If people feel that they are being ignored and that the same few people are making all the decisions without any sort of democratic accountability then they should look at us.

[wherenow]

Cad a bhfuil do smaointe faoi fadhbanna i mbaile atha cliath?

What are your thoughts about social problems in dublin. How do you propose to deal with issues of inequality in areas like Ballymun

[Liam Lynch]

Cén fáth ba chóir dom tachaiocht a thabhairt do 32 csm? Tabhair dom an fáth?

Why should I suppot 32csm. Would people refrain from criticizing any 32csm position, but simply ask questions so that 32csm suporters can reply to.

Join and find out.

[wherenow]

Nil.

No. Why should i support the 32 csm? I'm sure supporters of the 32 csm can let me know why I sould support the movement.

[East Tyrone]

If you believe that irish sovereignty should be defended,that the irish people have an inalienable right to decide their own future without foreign interference and would like to get involved in positive action to defend ireland sovereignty then you should support the 32CSM.

We do not run in elections and our movement is set up within totally democratic strutures which allows all our members to have a say in how the movement is run.

If people feel that they are being ignored and that the same few people are making all the decisions without any sort of democratic accountability then they should look at us.

But surely people are going to say I agree with your principles and goals but you don't run in elections; so, what could you possibly achieve for me or how could you ever hope to change anything?
It's kind of the obverse to what people said about the IRA; I agree with your goals and ideals but not your actions. In your case it is the inaction that would be the turn-off. What would be to stop anybody setting up their own committee/think-tank; you could have democratic committees all over the country and they'd achieve nothing without an electoral strategy.
Now remember this is about the 32CSM and what they could offer me as a hypothetical potential member.

[Liam Lynch]

Nil.

No. Why should i support the 32 csm? I'm sure supporters of the 32 csm can let me know why I sould support the movement.

What is it that you want to support?

[Liam Lynch]

Now remember this is about the 32CSM and what they could offer me as a hypothetical potential member.

Like perks? What could you offer the movement?

[East Tyrone]

Like perks? What could you offer the movement?

You are missing the point of the thread which is for the 32CSM supporters to explain why they think people should join. You have to offer people something if you want them to join with you; such as strategy, hope of success, hope in general etc. I wasn't speaking personally; that's why I used the term hypothetical.

[Hildy]

You are missing the point of the thread which is for the 32CSM supporters to explain why they think people should join. You have to offer people something if you want them to join with you; such as strategy, hope of success, hope in general etc. I wasn't speaking personally; that's why I used the term hypothetical.

and hope of AK-47's:icon_lol: .......Just a joke people!!!!!

[Liam Lynch]

You are missing the point of the thread which is for the 32CSM supporters to explain why they think people should join. You have to offer people something if you want them to join with you; such as strategy, hope of success, hope in general etc. I wasn't speaking personally; that's why I used the term hypothetical.

I'm not missing the point of the thread at all. Struggles are built, if you want a struggle to 'offer' you something then you need to participate in the building process.

[East Tyrone]

I suppose that's as good a form of evasion as any. I'll just wait for somebody to actually answer the question. Mind you, as far as I can see, the thread originator seems to still be waiting for a decent attempt at an answer as well.

[Liam Lynch]

I suppose that's as good a form of evasion as any. I'll just wait for somebody to actually answer the question. Mind you, as far as I can see, the thread originator seems to still be waiting for a decent attempt at an answer as well.

What the 32CSM stands for is on open view. What strategies they employ are equally open. Where's the evasion?

[wherenow]

An bhfuil aon duine ó 32csm sa ról ceannaireachta do gluaiseacht ceardchummain?

Are there any 32csm activists in leadership positions in any working class organisations. I suppose I chiefly mean the Trade Union movement, but if there are others organisations you wish to mention then feel free to mention them.

[East Tyrone]

What the 32CSM stands for is on open view. What strategies they employ are equally open. Where's the evasion?
It's not hard to be open if you're not doing anything. How could you convince prospective members that joining the 32CSM wouldn't be a complete waste of their time?

[Liam Lynch]

It's not hard to be open if you're not doing anything. How could you convince prospective members that joining the 32CSM wouldn't be a complete waste of their time?

The panicked rantings of the Deputy First Minister suggests otherwise. Why doesn't the poster give his views on our position and strategy papers so that we can determine exactly what it is he wishes to know?

[wherenow]

Liam Lynch "Why doesn't the poster give his views on our position and strategy papers so that we can determine exactly what it is he wishes to know?"

Chuir mé an thread seo suas mar ba mhaith liom rud eigin dearfach a cloisteal faoi 32csm?

I put up this thread so I could hear positive comments from 32csm supporters. I have heard some general points from Jim as outlined below.

"If you believe that irish sovereignty should be defended,that the irish people have an inalienable right to decide their own future without foreign interference and would like to get involved in positive action to defend ireland sovereignty then you should support the 32CSM."

But i would just like to hear some more specifics about the 32csm position. What are your proposals on policing, gaeilge, education etc. You choose the area.

i am simply asking 32csm supporters to put forward their position. i am not trying to cause 32csm supporters any problems just would like to know more and I think this thread is a great chance to put the positive proposals of the 32csm forward.

[East Tyrone]

Why doesn't the poster give his views on our position and strategy papers so that we can determine exactly what it is he wishes to know?

For me to do so would be to defeat the purpose of the thread, i.e. for you to articulate your position without others jumping in to critcise. I have refrained from criticism in the spirit of this and have only asked questions that I thought would elicit a more detailed response.

[Bear]

The UN submission, excellent papers and documents on policing and unity, an openminded attitude towards anything new, honest and clear debate with members of other organizations, a true desire to protect and conserve Irelands sovereignty.
The organization grew from that very concern and still over a decade later its an issue that many more people should come to recognize as important and central to any debate on unity. The removal of article was far more damaging than many actually think it was. Many would like to think it did not mean anything, that is was redundant and meaningless as it was not then acted on, however, see how easy it is to remove something and then try to get it back..... it was removed for a reason and the brits wanted that done for a reason or it would not have been part of the deal to begin with. If it was not a big concession to give away (as some would like you think) then why did the brits fight so hard to make sure it was removed? Think about that.
As the movement grows (and it is growing rapidly!) I am sure there are many other areas that will be focused on more. However keep in mind that Irelands sovereignty swings in the balance right now. The current process is not bringing us any closer to a united Ireland at all, the teller of that is time and the more time passes the more clear I think everyone can see that.
Our very sovereignty....that is why the 32csm was formed and that is what should remain our focus. I think some forget that we are not a political party.

[wherenow]

For me to do so would be to defeat the purpose of the thread, i.e. for you to articulate your position without others jumping in to critcise. I have refrained from criticism in the spirit of this and have only asked questions that I thought would elicit a more detailed response.

An mhaith East Tyrone. Tá ceart agat.

Excellent East Tyrone, that is exactly what this thread is about. Let the answers speak for themselves.

[Rory O'Connor]

You should read the 32 County Sovereignty Movement's constitution at http://32csm.org/const.htm, wherenow; if you agree with it then you should support (and you should maybe even join) the 32CSM, if you don't agree with it then you shouldn't support them.

[wherenow]

An bhfuil tu ag rá go bhfuil an 32csm ag baint le partiton amhain.

Are you daying that the 32csm is only concerned with the issue of partition and organises committess to agitate on this issue?

[RyanSouthDerry]

you have to agree with the constitution otherwise you can't support them, ofcourse they are not only concerned with the issue of partition but it is a big issue. You must agree with the constitution to support them.

[wherenow]

Cad a bhfuil na issues eile agus cad a bhfuil siad ag deanamh faoi?

So I looked at the constitution, what are the other issues and what is the 32csm stance on those issues?

[Liam Lynch]

An bhfuil tu ag rá go bhfuil an 32csm ag baint le partiton amhain.

Are you daying that the 32csm is only concerned with the issue of partition and organises committess to agitate on this issue?

The issue of sovereignty is not concerned solely with partition.

[wherenow]

Ceart go leor inis dom nios mo?

OK tell me more adn what the 32csm is doing about it?

[Liam Lynch]

Ceart go leor inis dom nios mo?

OK tell me more adn what the 32csm is doing about it?

What is your current view on the constitutional status quo?

[wherenow]

Liam this is how I started the thread

Why should I support the 32csm
Cén fáth ba chóir dom tachaiocht a thabhairt do 32 csm? Tabhair dom an fáth?

Why should I suppot 32csm. Would people refrain from criticizing any 32csm position, but simply ask questions so that 32csm suporters can reply to.

I started a similar thread on IRSM and RSF forums. I'm a bit tired of looking at some of the threads whereby it becomes a tooing and throwing. I just thought this thread could be different and give supporters of the main groups in the republican movement a chance to express what there group stands for and the positive things it does. I hoped this could be done without getting into arguments etc.

That is why I asked for people just to post questions and then get replies. I have no agenda here I just what to know more about the differing groups with the republican movement.

[Liam Lynch]

Liam this is how I started the thread

Why should I support the 32csm
Cén fáth ba chóir dom tachaiocht a thabhairt do 32 csm? Tabhair dom an fáth?

Why should I suppot 32csm. Would people refrain from criticizing any 32csm position, but simply ask questions so that 32csm suporters can reply to.

I started a similar thread on IRSM and RSF forums. I'm a bit tired of looking at some of the threads whereby it becomes a tooing and throwing. I just thought this thread could be different and give supporters of the main groups in the republican movement a chance to express what there group stands for and the positive things it does. I hoped this could be done without getting into arguments etc.

That is why I asked for people just to post questions and then get replies. I have no agenda here I just what to know more about the differing groups with the republican movement.

So what is your current view on the present constitutional status quo? The way you approach it you may as well ask ;why should I drive a Ford as opposed to a Nissan? Where are you coming from so we can address you in political terms and not like we're salespeople selling a product?

[wherenow]

In order to keep this thread the way I hoped it would be. You can find my present viewpoint at the following thread. But please let's try and keep this about the 32csm and not about me
http://www.irishrepublican.net/forum/showthread.php?t=6880 p4

I'm finding it hard to see what the problem is here though. Why is it so hard just to say what are the positive things about the 32csm?

[Rory O'Connor]

I have quoted Bear's post, wherenow, incase you didn't read it when she originally posted it. Bear has addressed several positive issues about the 32 County Sovereignty Movement in the following post.

The UN submission, excellent papers and documents on policing and unity, an openminded attitude towards anything new, honest and clear debate with members of other organizations, a true desire to protect and conserve Irelands sovereignty.
The organization grew from that very concern and still over a decade later its an issue that many more people should come to recognize as important and central to any debate on unity. The removal of article was far more damaging than many actually think it was. Many would like to think it did not mean anything, that is was redundant and meaningless as it was not then acted on, however, see how easy it is to remove something and then try to get it back..... it was removed for a reason and the brits wanted that done for a reason or it would not have been part of the deal to begin with. If it was not a big concession to give away (as some would like you think) then why did the brits fight so hard to make sure it was removed? Think about that.
As the movement grows (and it is growing rapidly!) I am sure there are many other areas that will be focused on more. However keep in mind that Irelands sovereignty swings in the balance right now. The current process is not bringing us any closer to a united Ireland at all, the teller of that is time and the more time passes the more clear I think everyone can see that.
Our very sovereignty....that is why the 32csm was formed and that is what should remain our focus. I think some forget that we are not a political party.

[wherenow]

Ceart go leor. Leamh mé é. An bhfuil aon rud eile ba mhaith le aon duine ó 32csm aon rud eile a rá faoi cad a bhfuil sibh a deanamh.

OK I read it, but it is general. I just thought that people fromthe 32csm would like to day "We are actively attempting to preserve Ireland's sovereignty by doing xyz. We are involved in pressure groups such as xyz and we have achieved xyz."

In relation to our aim of republican unity we are doing xyz, with xyz and have achieved xyz. These are just exapmles. 32csm supporters can expand on whatever they choose.

Bear also states that as the movement grows other areas will be focused on. Which sort of areas do 32csm supporters feel they may be etc.

I am not trying to be arkward here, I just want to know what the 32csm feels it is doing well and what it feels it brings to the republican movemet adn I would like examples etc. Is that too much to ask?

[boiler-1888]

I joined because their documents where spot on and i believe they are the only grouping that offers any challange over Britains claim over Irish national territory.

I was a hardened SF supporter who caught on to leadership, but we have to forget about them they are history in regards to radical Irish republicanism.

For any one considering joining i would ask them to read over our documents, you'll find as a republican they will be not one word that you disagree with.

The fight for the right for self determination is a realistic goal and one i believe that republicans from all shades should be fighting for, put this whole arguement to the people of this island. Accepting the unionist minoritys veto is a defeatist attiude and one that PSF have adered to and have been grossly underpinned by it.

Remember the following GFA facts:

50% and 1 vote is a SF myth

The brits have a veto of the referendum.

Siege metallity unionists will never vote for UI.

and Martina Anderson will never encourage them with her record.

Then remember what this is all about. A 32

[boiler-1888]

I joined because their documents where spot on and i believe they are the only grouping that offers any challange over Britains claim over Irish national territory.

I was a hardened SF supporter who caught on to leadership, but we have to forget about them they are history in regards to radical Irish republicanism.

For any one considering joining i would ask them to read over our documents, you'll find as a republican they will be not one word that you disagree with.

The fight for the right for self determination is a realistic goal and one i believe that republicans from all shades should be fighting for, put this whole arguement to the people of this island. Accepting the unionist minoritys veto is a defeatist attiude and one that PSF have adered to and have been grossly underpinned by it.

Remember the following GFA facts:

50% and 1 vote is a SF myth

The brits have a veto of the referendum.

Siege metallity unionists will never vote for UI.

and Martina Anderson will never encourage them with her record.

Then remember what this is all about. A 32 COUNTY DEMOCRATIC SOCAILST REPUBLIC.

[Rory O'Connor]

Ceart go leor. Leamh mé é. An bhfuil aon rud eile ba mhaith le aon duine ó 32csm aon rud eile a rá faoi cad a bhfuil sibh a deanamh.

OK I read it, but it is general. I just thought that people fromthe 32csm would like to day "We are actively attempting to preserve Ireland's sovereignty by doing xyz. We are involved in pressure groups such as xyz and we have achieved xyz."

In relation to our aim of republican unity we are doing xyz, with xyz and have achieved xyz. These are just exapmles. 32csm supporters can expand on whatever they choose.

Bear also states that as the movement grows other areas will be focused on. Which sort of areas do 32csm supporters feel they may be etc.

I am not trying to be arkward here, I just want to know what the 32csm feels it is doing well and what it feels it brings to the republican movemet adn I would like examples etc. Is that too much to ask?

Did you read the motions that were suggested by the local committees of the 32 County Sovereignty Movement at their AGM during 2007?

[wherenow]

Go raibh maith agat boiler 1988.

[wherenow]

Máitin, No I did not. I'm getting tired of this now. i opened this thread on IRSM, RSF and 32csm so that anybody visiting this site would have a chance to look at a thread where supporters of any of these groups could put forward the strenghts, viewpoints and achievements of their group.

I was sick of looking at threads that just turned into arguments etc. I wished to give each group a chance to put it's case forward clearly to anybody that had a question. It is not about me.

Boiler 1988's post is what i am looking for and hopefully this will lead to further questions that 32csm supporters can answer in a similar positive way.

Sin é

[Rory O'Connor]

32 County Sovereignty Movement
2007 AGM December 1
Motions

Organisation

1.That the AGM instruct the incoming National Executive to divert as much resources as possible to the PRO Department so as to maximise the core message of the 32CSM. This should include a revamping of the National Website, a greater frequency in the issuing of statements and a major sales drive for the Sovereign Nation.
Dublin 32CSM

2.That the name of the local branches of the 32CSM be changed from committees to circles so as to highlight the democratic nature of the organisation.
Sth Armagh 32CSM

3.That this AGM instruct the incoming National Executive to instigate a root and branch appraisal of local committee’s strengths and weaknesses and appoint a functioning director of organisation to assist local branches to operate more effectively.
Sth Down 32CSM

4.That the AGM instruct the incoming national executive to intensify the creation of more local committees and to raise awareness of newly formed committees especially in Co Monaghan.
Monaghan 32CSM

5.That this AGM recommend the constituting of a committee of members with experience in youth organisations/colleges to formulate means and methods to the incoming national executive to promote the movement and recruit people from these organisations/educational establishments.
Monaghan 32CSM

6.That this AGM recognise the success of the outgoing executive and the movement in general in regards to discipline and the conduct of our members nationwide. Where problems have arisen they have been dealt with swiftly, honestly and fairly. We propose that the incoming executive should put continuing emphasis in that field and that the high standards of the previous year be maintained.
Derry 32CSM

7.The movement in Derry city have made great strides since their structures have been formalised and strengthened. We propose that areas where cumann structures are active should endeavour to promote this practice in neighbouring areas. Provincial organisers and other such restructuring should be considered.
Derry 32CSM

8.That this AGM instruct the incoming executive to maintain better communication both between the executive and local cumann and between cumann.
Cork 32CSM


Policy

9.That the AGM instructs the incoming National Executive to develop and implement a Schedule of Tasks for both national and local organisation with the strict view of achieving stated objectives within the lifetime of the new National Executive. Specifically the following areas to be addressed;

National Level

1. A nationwide recruitment drive.
2. National Target Figure for sales of the Sovereign Nation.
3. Draft a Campaign Programme for 32CSM opposition to the EU Constitution.
4. Draft Definitive Proposals for the Republican Unity Initiative.

Local Level

1. Regular and specified contact to be maintained between all local organisations and the NE.
2. All local organisations to develop their own website.
3. Local Target figures for sales of the Sovereign Nation
4. Local recruitment drives with set targets.
Dublin 32CSM

10.That the 32CSM produce an all-island policy on Drug Abuse/Anti Social Behaviour to be used by all local committees in the course of their work in dealing with the media and other concerned groups.
Monaghan 32CSM

11.That this AGM recommend the constituting of a new policy/education committee to draft policy proposals, to promote existing policy and to liaise between national executive and local level in matters of policy and education. That this committee work with the publicity department in developing a programme for new members.
Sth Down 32CSM

12.That this AGM commend the outgoing national executive for their adherence to the constitution throughout the previous year particularly in light of backdoor attempts by people claiming to represent the NIO which had the potential to misrepresent our position. That this AGM further commit to open, democratic dealings with other organisations and that in line with our constitution we only negotiate on issues related to national sovereignty.
Sth Armagh 32CSM

13.That this AGM encourage all republicans to get involved in progressive campaigns such as Rossport, Raytheon and the campaign for a fundamental right to adequate healthcare for all particularly cancer services in the 26 counties.
Derry 32CSM

14.That this AGM recognise the right of the Irish People to National Sovereignty and National Self Determination and that we also recognise the right of Óglaigh na hÉireann to bear arms in defence of that right.
National Executive


International

15.That the 32CSM affiliate itself with the Hands off Venezuela campaign
Sth Armagh 32CSM

16.That the 32CSM maintain and develop international links with fellow revolutionary organisations with a view to articulating the republican position and an alternative perspective on the conflict in Ireland than that peddled by the governments and constitutional parties.
Sth Armagh 32CSM

17.That this AGM send solidarity greetings to anti-imperialist and resistance movements internationally such as Hamas, Hezbollah etc.
Derry 32CSM


Republican Unity

18.That the AGM instructs the incoming National Executive to liaise with the National 1916 Commemoration Committee and the Republican Unity Initiative to commence a programme of annual Easter Commemorations leading to a National Commemoration for the 1916 Centenary in 2016. Following on from the highly successful Unity commemoration at Bodenstown that the same resolve be brought top bear for this Commemorative Programme.
Dublin 32CSM

19.That the successful " family meeting " process which took place in Derry in 2006 be revived and pursued throughout the coming year , and that all sections of the movement be actively encouraged to give their support and active assistance to that process.
Sth Armagh 32CSM

20.That this AGM recommend that we should review the recent campaign for republican co-operation and identify areas which have been beneficial. That we explore further co-operation with groups not already involved in the Republican Unity project.
Derry 32CSM


Sovereign Nation

21.That the publicity department work with the editorial board to ensure a more regular print run of The Sovereign Nation.
Cork 32CSM


Fundraising

22.That this AGM instruct the incoming national executive to provide funds for an industrial printer/copier to be used by the movement in general or that funds be made available to purchase domestic printer/ photocopiers for every area.
Cork 32CSM

23.That the national director of finance work with the local treasurers to ensure that an annual national fundraiser be held with all monies raised going to the national executive for developmental purposes.
Cork 32CSM

24.That areas with proven methods of fundraising share this knowledge with the national executive and other areas in order to relieve financial pressure of the movement and on the IRPWA.
Cork 32CSM

25.That this AGM send solidarity greetings to all republican POW’s and that all areas redouble our efforts to raise finance for them and their families in order to alleviate as much hardship as possible.
Sth Down 32CSM


Other Business

26.That this AGM congratulate the outgoing national executive on their stand against the six county policing arrangements and their involvement in the republican unity initiative.
Sth Down 32CSM

27.That this AGM recommend where possible that old monuments, memorials and plaques of great historical importance in Ireland’s defence of its sovereignty that have been neglected by ungrateful puppet governments and political parties be restored to educate, commemorate and radicalise the general population which could be done on a republican unity basis.
Monaghan 32CSM

28.That this AGM instruct the incoming national executive to provide information or a draft document through local committees and through the publicity department of the various legislation used by the special branch on both sides of the border and ways to protect our members/supporters and their families from harassment as much as possible.
Monaghan 32CSM

[wherenow]

Go raibh maith agat Máirtin. Tá me nios sasta anois.

I'm much happier. This is what I'm looking for and people can ask questions out of this.

Go raibh maith agat aris.

[Rory O'Connor]

You can also view the 32 County Sovereignty Movement's policy/strategy documents at http://32csm.org/polstrat.htm, wherenow. :)

[Puddies]

edited by DFCRFB

[Seabird]

When was the 32 CSM formed? I find it strange that some of the motions placed forth are just now being discussed and decided upon, in fact it looks as if they are just now getting themselves organized.

[Rory O'Connor]

The 32 County Sovereignty Movement was founded in Fingal in County Dublin on Sunday 7th December 1997. They were inactive during 1998 for several obvious reasons and then they became active again during 2001-2002, so it is understandable that they have only begun concentrating on the more important motions that were suggested at their most recent AGMs.

[John]

An bhfuil aon duine ó 32csm sa ról ceannaireachta do gluaiseacht ceardchummain?

Are there any 32csm activists in leadership positions in any working class organisations. I suppose I chiefly mean the Trade Union movement, but if there are others organisations you wish to mention then feel free to mention them.

Yup, union representative (IBEW) for quite some time now proudly and here goes....
Originally I did not engage persons of any organisation, instead I read their documents. Next was to see if the documents really matched those who support them so I began to lurk on the respective boards. When I felt it was time to get in touch personally I still had a few questions of my own and had not realised the diversity within the 32s which becomes quite beneficial. I've had discussions about what actions can be taken with some of them regarding the poor, battered women, immigration, international politics, health care, youth education, etcetera, etcetera. What would entice someone to consider the 32CSM for membership? Might only have to read the material carefully and make up one's mind. What can be offered? A combined effort to reach similar goals with people who value communication between one another at a minimum. I understand that what I or anyone else brings to the table is valued by all, so what can be offered is multiplied by what another brings to the group. C'mon, we are talking about a bunch of people who honestly care about what is going on around them and wish to do something about it. The goal to achieve the independence which was already proclaimed is in my opinion the main priority above all else, yet that is not the only battle which must be won. There are activists within who get out there regularly and try to right the wrongs within society perhaps by standing up for those who cannot and/or lending a hand where it is needed. During these holidays as I'm collecting and distributing warm clothing,toys and food for those less fortunate I'm not flying a banner saying that I'm doing this in the name of the 32CSM but yes members are out there trying to make a difference locally and internationally.
I believe 2008 will be even better as republicans are advancing quite well in my opinion on Unity and from that vantage objectives will be more easily attained. Hopefully I have clearly expressed my reasons for why an individual would wish to be a part of the 32 CSM and in some way have made you feel welcome to the idea.

[quirk]

32 County Sovereignty Movement

2008 New Year Statement

In extending New Years greetings to the Irish people at home and abroad let us reflect on the past year to help us move forward in the new. We extend also greetings to all republican prisoners of war (POW’S) who find themselves incarcerated in gaol because of an intransigent British Government who are unwilling to engage with the Irish people unless they are addressing a British agenda. From our perspective the Republican Unity Initiative formed a major plank of our strategic efforts to advance the restoration of our National Sovereignty. The 32CSM approached this vital area in an incremental manner so as to maximize inclusivity amongst other republican organizations. We deliberately chose a private route to engagement with other republicans given the British and media efforts to deliberately misrepresent what the Republican Unity Initiative was trying to achieve. We first circulated a discussion document simply titled Republican Unity to give a degree of focus to a debate which was already well underway within the broad republican base. As interest in the initiative grew and formal meetings were arranged the 32CSM put forward a proposal titled Preparing An Irish Democracy which was intended to act as a mechanism within which all republican organizations could collectively draft a republican blueprint of the independent Ireland we envisaged. Reaction to the initiative was predictably cautious but the mixed to poor result showing in what was ostensibly a referendum on British Policing in Ireland conclusively demonstrated that Irish republicanism needs a political initiative to move it on from its inert state. On the back of an IRSM proposal a Unity Commemoration was held at Bodenstown to honour Wolfe Tone which was widely received as a very positive development.

To augment our existing proposals and to build on this positivity the 32CSM now launch Dismantling Partition, A Unified Republican Approach.. Here we outline where and how we believe this project should develop. We introduce timeframes and achievable goals coupled with a realistic appraisal of our current strengths. But as with our previous proposals the 32CSM strongly urge a parallel response from other republicans so as to make the Republican Unity Initiative truly representative of the broad republican family. 2008 will offer republicans an opportunity to both consolidate and advance our goals and the 32CSM herein publicly declare our intention of working tirelessly to achieve this end.

The 32CSM strongly believes in political engagement with our opponents. We have sought this engagement on a number of fronts but focused squarely around the issue of our national sovereignty. Through this engagement we have sought to advise that national sovereignty is not confined to the national question as that pertains to partition but to all other questions of national concern. Issues such as Shell To Sea and the Save Tara project are all urgent matters of national sovereignty and as such are deserving of intense republican involvement. The impending EU Constitution referendum in the twenty six counties is one such issue that deserves republican attention. Whether it is called Constitution, Treaty or whatever its essential components remain the same. The 32CSM communicated with a variety of republican and nationalist organizations with a view to citing Partition as valid grounds for its rejection. We circulated Six Points of Objection that we believed could form the basis of a strong separatist No Campaign without alienating other valid objections which may also exist. The 32CSM will be pursuing this correspondence in 2008 seeking definitive responses to our circular.

Following on from our AGM in December the incoming National Executive will be tasked with implementing the changes and policies mandated by that AGM. These will include political policies as outlined above, organizational changes and proposals for updating our print and electronic publications as well as the launch of our newly revamped website. We look forward to the challenges we have set ourselves.

Again we have it demonstrated that British Policing in Ireland will never change no matter what titles are invoked and no matter how many token nationalists sit on token Policing Boards. The Hoey debacle laid bare both the unchanging nature of British policing and the facile arguments from those who would plead with us that it can.

Notwithstanding the importance of these issues and their relevance to Irish republicanism the 32CSM is of the firm belief that the most salient issue which will face republicans in the coming year will be the issue of criminalisation. We say this because those in the driving seat of this policy are Provisional Sinn Fein, acting under obligation to the agreements which they entered into with both governments. History, both ancient and modern, has taught us that the occupier will always covet an indigenous political voice to do its dirty work. PSF have stepped into this breech. Following recent acts of armed insurgency there came an almost panicked response from the PSF leadership. They publicly called for informers to be activated against insurgent forces claiming a lack of electoral mandate invalidated their right to rebel. The glaring hypocrisy of this stance was designed to distract republicans from the fact that it was political challenges to the PSF position which forced this outburst and not merely criticism of them.

We have sought engagement with PSF since 2005 wherein the 32CSM were greeted with duplicity, subterfuge and lies. Our persistence however has been rewarded with the political exposure as to exactly what signing the Good Friday Agreement entails for them. Whereas political criticism theorizes, political challenges demonstrate. These challenges must continue, and emanate from broader quarters, because the resources behind the criminalisation policy far exceed the resources of those whom the policy is directed against. As before when the British government were the direct vanguard for this policy manipulation, deceit and murder were the hallmarks of this campaign. Coupled with a media who afford republicans scant exposure to air our views the only resources open to Irish republicanism are those which we already possess and the argument for republican cooperation on this issue is self evident. The policy of criminalisation will pay scant heed to technical differences of position amongst us as it seeks a broad labeling for those opposed to the current political direction.

The emergence of seemingly new armed groups making threats of a kind which give succour to the PSF call for informers is yet another dimension of this dirty war. All of this requires a political response from Irish republicans which removes any semblance of cover or distraction for any group pursuing the criminalisation agenda. There can be no place within republicanism for a civil war mentality. Such a mentality is a British device. The 32CSM response is first and foremost a call on PSF to forward to us their alleged written response to our Submission to them in 2005 and for them to outline the lawful basis upon which they call for informers to be activated against those who struggle against British Parliamentary activity in our country. We respond also by seeking engagement with other republicans on the national issues which are relevant to our struggle. And we respond by stating that we will never allow the republican struggle to be criminalized no matter how treacherous the status of those who would try.

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Go raibh maith agat Quirk.