Should the C.I.R.A BE TAKING A MORE ACTIVE ROLE AGAINST DUBLIN CRIMINALS AND SCUM

[RSF-Fianoglach]

Should The C.i.r.a Be More Active In The Fight Against Druggies And General Scum Bags In Dublin,back In The Eighties Most Scum In Dublin Where Dealt With Fairly Speedily If They Pushed It Too Far,do You Think The C.i.r.a Should Establish Themselves More In The Dublin Communitys By Taking A More Active Role,i For One Think They Should It Would Bolster Support For Them Especialy In Worrking Class Areas Where Things Are Getting Out Of Control And People Are Scared In There Own Houses.

[Vox Populi]

Why don't you do it yourself?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

WELL vox thats just silly,im a big guy but im not sure i could take on all of dublins underworld and scummy sidekicks,the I.R.A traditionaly police neighbourhoods where criminals are causing mayhem,i know many people who would welcome such action to prevent irish working class neighbourhoods from being controlled completely by thugs.

[Vox Populi]

So it's alright for someone to go out and do it for you.

Aye.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

well of course i am a civilian they see themselves as the true army of all ireland and the protecters of the community.

[ciaranxavier]

WELL vox thats just silly,im a big guy but im not sure i could take on all of dublins underworld and scummy sidekicks,the I.R.A traditionaly police neighbourhoods where criminals are causing mayhem,i know many people who would welcome such action to prevent irish working class neighbourhoods from being controlled completely by thugs.

if they were to do that in present day ireland theyd be arrested as common criminals themselves.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

well im sure they could do it without being caught my friend.but if they did do it it would make certain areas safer which would highlight there profile and bring a lot of support on the ground from residents in these areas.

[ciaranxavier]

well im sure they could do it without being caught my friend.but if they did do it it would make certain areas safer which would highlight there profile and bring a lot of support on the ground from residents in these areas.

why not make the current government do its job.

[Vox Populi]

why not make the current government do its job.Because the CIRA is the government. 'Dilseacht' by Ruairi makes that quite clear.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

ciaran i see your not native to ireland so im not surprised you dont understand the way it is over here,the IRA have always had republican strongholds in north and south ireland which they took an active role in keeping the local hoods in check,the simple fact is the hoods in dublin couldnt give a damn about the cops and the gardai are not very effective when it comes to catching or preventing criminals in dublin hoods our getting out of hand when the provos where active they kept a tight leash on them but now it seems there is no one to keep them in check and they know it.

[ciaranxavier]

Because the CIRA is the government. 'Dilseacht' by Ruairi makes that quite clear.

i can live in a fake reality or i could live in the present day and be realistic about whats happening. the current government doesnt recognize the CIRA as part of it and outlaws them. so i think instead of focusing on it being their job as its their job to oust the foreign power, we should focus on the current governments failure to do the job it has sworn to do. which includes keeping our streets free of crime. the CIRA doesnt have the manpower or resources to police the streets and fight a superpower.

[Vox Populi]

i can live in a fake reality or i could live in the present day and be realistic about whats happening. the current government doesnt recognize the CIRA as part of it and outlaws them. so i think instead of focusing on it being their job as its their job to oust the foreign power, we should focus on the current governments failure to do the job it has sworn to do. which includes keeping our streets free of crime. the CIRA doesnt have the manpower or resources to police the streets and fight a superpower.
The CIRA ciaran, declares itself to be the governmental authority of the Irish Republic, according to them they are the current government and indeed, no other government exists in Ireland. This is what the CIRA believe and RSF propagate.

[ciaranxavier]

The CIRA ciaran, declares itself to be the governmental authority of the Irish Republic, according to them they are the current government and indeed, no other government exists in Ireland. This is what the CIRA believe and RSF propagate.

and if i were a mindless drone id blindly follow, but i have my own opinions and though i believe that they are a legitimate organization i also see things for the reality it is. and that like i said that in ireland they are outlawed which would make it hard for them to be the legitimate police force in ireland. i dont agree with them being outlawed but thats the facts for what they are.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

Ciaran you wouldnt understand they ways of ireland since your living in canada an all,everything is not black and white in ireland anyway stay on subject this thread is to get peoples opinions on this issue just say whether you agree with or not and a short reason why.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

again ciaran you highlight your ignorance of how things work in ireland,the I.R.A never walked around in police uniforms policing the streets they secretly gather information on a suspected criminal then decide whether or not action needs to be taken against them all this is done SECRETLY without being caught do you get it now.

[ciaranxavier]

again ciaran you highlight your ignorance of how things work in ireland,the I.R.A never walked around in police uniforms policing the streets they secretly gather information on a suspected criminal then decide whether or not action needs to be taken against them all this is done SECRETLY without being caught do you get it now.

i dont think youve been on here long enough to make a judgement about me for one. and for two i know they dont walk around in police uniforms that is general knowledge you dont have to be living in ireland to come to that conclusion. and i dont believe they should be putting their resources into that when we still have 6 occupied countys in the north, not into fighting drug dealers which is like i said what the current recognized government should be doing.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

the only current recognized Government is the C.I.R.A its not a fake reality just some disagree with it,the point that seems to keep flying over your head is when a group like the C.I.R.A get active in a community it highlights there profile which bolsters there support which in turn bolsters there membership which in turn makes them stronger with more man power to fight the brits. is it sinking in now?

[ciaranxavier]

the only current recognized Government is the C.I.R.A its not a fake reality just some disagree with it,the point that seems to keep flying over your head is when a group like the C.I.R.A get active in a community it highlights there profile which bolsters there support which in turn bolsters there membership which in turn makes them stronger with more man power to fight the brits. is it sinking in now?

not some but the people who make the rules and thats a pretty significant thing.
so right now in ireland they are not the current government as they dont make the rules. and i agree some form of PR is necessary but it can be gained other ways then putting our soldiers into a situation where they can be put away as common criminals for a cause that wont change the ultimate problem facing us and that is the ousting of the foreign power. and there isnt enough manpower to risk losing people on small operations like that. i think reality isnt sinking into you.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

you my cara are severed from the reality of ireland,you dont know much about how things work over here at all,if a conto got caught dishing out justice on a criminal he would not be treated any different than if he was caught attacking brits so what your saying is non sensical and shows you dont realy know what the craic is over here in IRELAND not canada where YOU live.

[East Tyrone]

This thread is class altogether. How about this idea for conto justice; 'Show a spide a spade'?

[ciaranxavier]

you my cara are severed from the reality of ireland,you dont know much about how things work over here at all,if a conto got caught dishing out justice on a criminal he would not be treated any different than if he was caught attacking brits so what your saying is non sensical and shows you dont realy know what the craic is over here in IRELAND not canada where YOU live.

you are not my friend i dont know you, and you know nothing about me so dont pretend too, all youve done is read my profile and made assumptions. and your right because according to the current law both activities make them criminals. though one should technically make them POWs but thats not happening anymore.

[quirk]

I doubt the CIRA would be capable of taking on the Dublin underworld at this stage. I know about 2 years ago they made the claim that they would drive the dealers out of a certain area in the city and it was themselves that ended up being driven out.

[DublinRepublican]

I doubt the CIRA would be capable of taking on the Dublin underworld at this stage. I know about 2 years ago they made the claim that they would drive the dealers out of a certain area in the city and it was themselves that ended up being driven out.

What area was this? I dont recall hearing of any republican being driven out of anywhere in Dublin. The CIRA have taken action against dealers in the past in Dublin.
As for the original poster, Dont ask others to do things you wont do yourself.

[quirk]

Not sure of the area. I'll find out though.

[DublinRepublican]

Not sure of the area. I'll find out though.
The only thing similar to what you mentioned is when the Garda kicked a POWs family out of their house, after he was arrested. Which I remember well, they were forcefully evicted by armed ERU and Special Branch. But in the end they got their house back if memory serves.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

Dublin republican i have dealt with scum in my local area before the reason i started this thread was to see what way popular opinion is going,i tried to keep the emphacise on my post thats the reason i said i am a civilian blah blah blah.
ps are the contos realy so small they wouldnt be able to have any influence on druggie scum when even the I.N.L.A do?

[quirk]

The only thing similar to what you mentioned is when the Garda kicked a POWs family out of their house, after he was arrested. Which I remember well, they were forcefully evicted by armed ERU and Special Branch. But in the end they got their house back if memory serves.

Your probably ight. I will try to find out.

[DublinRepublican]

Dublin republican i have dealt with scum in my local area before the reason i started this thread was to see what way popular opinion is going,i tried to keep the emphacise on my post thats the reason i said i am a civilian blah blah blah.
ps are the contos realy so small they wouldnt be able to have any influence on druggie scum when even the I.N.L.A do?

I wouldnt have any Idea about the size of the CIRA in Dublin or anywhere else for that matter. Since they are a secret Military organisation, I would presume they dont announce their numbers to the public.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

well i would hope they keep it secret,but im talking about influence surely if hoods dont respect there authrity then they will find it hard to make an impact anywhere else.

[MarkyMark]

I do be in Ballymun alot and theres a big slogan painted beside the shopping centre saying "Dealers beware - CIRA" but then when you look at the alley across from it, its just full of people handing each other little brown envelopes

[DublinRepublican]

I do be in Ballymun alot and theres a big slogan painted beside the shopping centre saying "Dealers beware - CIRA" but then when you look at the alley across from it, its just full of people handing each other little brown envelopes
I didnt know alot of drug dealers congregate in one big lane handing each other brown envelopes. First Ive heard of anything like that to do with the drugs trade. Sounds very civil, that junkies go to the bother of putting a few quid into an envelope for a dealer.

[MarkyMark]

ya know what i mean, go to the lane opposite ballymun shopping centre witha 50 in your hand and wait and see how long it takes to get some gear,

I can guarantee ya it wont e too long

[RSF-Fianoglach]

yeah marky mark i know where your talking about in ballymun,the inaction is not exactly filling people with confidfence in there abilities to assert control over these dirt bags.

[Cael]

and if i were a mindless drone id blindly follow, but i have my own opinions and though i believe that they are a legitimate organization i also see things for the reality it is. and that like i said that in ireland they are outlawed which would make it hard for them to be the legitimate police force in ireland. i dont agree with them being outlawed but thats the facts for what they are.


If you consider the IRA to be a legitimate organisation, then you dont consider free state law to be fully legitimate, as free state law says the IRA is not legitimate.

Of course, no Irish Republican would consider the free state to be legitimate or the IRA to be illegitimate.

[Cael]

I didnt know alot of drug dealers congregate in one big lane handing each other brown envelopes. First Ive heard of anything like that to do with the drugs trade. Sounds very civil, that junkies go to the bother of putting a few quid into an envelope for a dealer.



I dont think shooting the pushers is really the answer. Thats like putting a dirty rag over a festering wound. You need to tackle the alienation that causes people to turn to drugs - either as a way of getting stoned or making money.

[ciaranxavier]

Dublin republican i have dealt with scum in my local area before the reason i started this thread was to see what way popular opinion is going,i tried to keep the emphacise on my post thats the reason i said i am a civilian blah blah blah.
ps are the contos realy so small they wouldnt be able to have any influence on druggie scum when even the I.N.L.A do?

they are too small to wage a war on two fronts one with the english the other with the drug dealers which are better organized them some seem to think.

[ciaranxavier]

If you consider the IRA to be a legitimate organisation, then you dont consider free state law to be fully legitimate, as free state law says the IRA is not legitimate.

Of course, no Irish Republican would consider the free state to be legitimate or the IRA to be illegitimate.


Of course, no Irish Republican would consider the free state to be legitimate or the IRA to be illegitimate.

of course. but reality is reality and though my views differ from that of the free state their law is the current legitimate law.

[Mellows1922]

of course. but reality is reality and though my views differ from that of the free state their law is the current legitimate law.

But the point he is making is you can't support RSF and have the opinion you do.

[Takeshi]

A campaign against drug dealers might actually be a way to garner some support in the working class communities of Dublin. The british presence in the north may as well be happening on a different planet for most people living in these parts of Dublin. They don't see it and they don't really care about it.

By linking the struggle against british rule with the defence of the working classes from the predatory actions of drug dealers, it would be a way to make the Republican struggle relevant to Dubliners.

[DublinRepublican]

People dont seem to understand. I had this conversation with someone the other day (A concerned resident of a working class area of Dublin). He was telling me about what goes on in his area etc, he was saying it was his opinion drug dealers should get a death sentance etc.
I said to him and Ive said it before, if one drug dealer is shot another drug dealer comes along to take up his patch. Thats how it works. The only thing that can tackle the scourge of drugs is education and the building up of community groups to march on dealers homes, as has happened in the past.

[ártybhoy]

The gangsters in dublin are amongst the most vicious,ferocious hardcore gangster there is on the planet they live fast fueled by tons of their own pure cocaine and die young just to get a name for 15 minutes and will plug you without a thought. They are like robots totally without fear,feelings or remorse, it would be some war if any IRA went to war with the gangsters in dublin. It would spawn a 1000 gangster films the only good to come of it.

[Comrade Ryan]

and if i were a mindless drone id blindly follow, but i have my own opinions and though i believe that they are a legitimate organization i also see things for the reality it is. and that like i said that in ireland they are outlawed which would make it hard for them to be the legitimate police force in ireland. i dont agree with them being outlawed but thats the facts for what they are.

Well Ciaran this is a fairly major departure from RSF policy and preaching. How can you support the party but not recogise this?

[Comrade Ryan]

the only current recognized Government is the C.I.R.A its not a fake reality just some disagree with it,the point that seems to keep flying over your head is when a group like the C.I.R.A get active in a community it highlights there profile which bolsters there support which in turn bolsters there membership which in turn makes them stronger with more man power to fight the brits. is it sinking in now?

Recognised by whom?

[Rory O'Connor]

Dublin republican i have dealt with scum in my local area before the reason i started this thread was to see what way popular opinion is going,i tried to keep the emphacise on my post thats the reason i said i am a civilian blah blah blah.
ps are the contos realy so small they wouldnt be able to have any influence on druggie scum when even the I.N.L.A do?

The INLA aren't powerful enough to eradicate the trafficking of illegal drugs in Dublin, so the Continuity IRA obviously aren't powerful enough to do it either.

[ciaranxavier]

But the point he is making is you can't support RSF and have the opinion you do.

how is that so? just because i dont strictly believe word for word everything they say too?

[Comrade Ryan]

how is that so? just because i dont strictly believe word for word everything they say too?

Its not everything they say but that is a fundamental part of their philosophy and their justification for breathing.

You should check it out before you declare your hand.

I can just picture you at their Ard Fheis saying 'I know but we don't really believe we're the legitimate government of Ireland do we? Not really like? Really?'....

:wall:

[Mellows1922]

how is that so? just because i dont strictly believe word for word everything they say too?

You don't need to agree on every little thing to support an organisation but you do need to be in sync with the major things, and the major philosophical plank of RSF is, as CR pointed out, their belief that the legitimate governmental authority of the Republic lies with the Continuity Army Council and everything else is illegitimate.

To disagree with RSF on this point is to disagree with the very being of RSF, and any RSFer would tell you the same.

[ciaranxavier]

You don't need to agree on every little thing to support an organisation but you do need to be in sync with the major things, and the major philosophical plank of RSF is, as CR pointed out, their belief that the legitimate governmental authority of the Republic lies with the Continuity Army Council and everything else is illegitimate.

To disagree with RSF on this point is to disagree with the very being of RSF, and any RSFer would tell you the same.

i know their stance but then there's a little thing called reality and thats what im explaining not our vision of ireland.

[ártybhoy]

ciaran = i know their stance but then there's a little thing called reality and thats what im explaining not our vision of ireland.
This is just the internet outside in reality all of the bad stuff we discuss happens and worse, do you think republicanism is a new game for your x box laddy?

[mcslipper]

Isn't this tread simply promoting suicide

[DublinRepublican]

The INLA aren't powerful enough to eradicate the trafficking of illegal drugs in Dublin, so the Continuity IRA obviously aren't powerful enough to do it either.
PIRA werent able to do it at their height either, as ive said the Community needs to deal with the issue. If people actually read my earlier post.

[Mellows1922]

PIRA werent able to do it at their height either, as ive said the Community needs to deal with the issue. If people actually read my earlier post.

Yeah, the drugs issue is never going to be dealt with in isolation, and it's never going to be dealt with by direct action, be it the IRA, CIRA, INLA or whoever, battering or killing a drug dealer or even a heap of drugs dealers doesn't impact on the problem. Sure they are killing themselves all the time and it has no effect on supply, or unfortunately demand.

[DublinRepublican]

Yeah, the drugs issue is never going to be dealt with in isolation, and it's never going to be dealt with by direct action, be it the IRA, CIRA, INLA or whoever, battering or killing a drug dealer or even a heap of drugs dealers doesn't impact on the problem. Sure they are killing themselves all the time and it has no effect on supply, or unfortunately demand.

Exactly. Some young people want money, want alot of it and fast. They dont care about the risks to live the 'good life' for a while. Also if there wasnt a demand for drugs would the drug dealers be there? The root cause of the problem must be tackeled and it cant be done by armed action against drug dealers.

[ciaranxavier]

ciaran =
This is just the internet outside in reality all of the bad stuff we discuss happens and worse, do you think republicanism is a new game for your x box laddy?

what the hell are you on about? its others who arent speaking in the reality not i, and i dont have an xbox, barely have time to play my buddys good system though.

[ciaranxavier]

Yeah, the drugs issue is never going to be dealt with in isolation, and it's never going to be dealt with by direct action, be it the IRA, CIRA, INLA or whoever, battering or killing a drug dealer or even a heap of drugs dealers doesn't impact on the problem. Sure they are killing themselves all the time and it has no effect on supply, or unfortunately demand.

which is what i said more or less.

[Comrade Ryan]

well im sure they could do it without being caught my friend.but if they did do it it would make certain areas safer which would highlight there profile and bring a lot of support on the ground from residents in these areas.

Do people in prisons mean nothing to you. People don't do things to get caught sometimes it just happens - comprende?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

once again comrade ryan jumps in half coked not knowing whats going on,that post was in response to exaviers presumption that they would automaticly be caught.

[Comrade Ryan]

once again comrade ryan jumps in half coked not knowing whats going on,that post was in response to exaviers presumption that they would automaticly be caught.

Half coked? Never touched the stuff.

I have been reading the posts and I know what you said and this was in response to you caying that you were sure they could do it and not get caught.

My post wasn't relevant how exactly?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

excuse my spelling error i believe i meant half cocked.mr ryan i have no intrest in your non sensical ramblings posting for the sake of posting.

[Cael]

i know their stance but then there's a little thing called reality and thats what im explaining not our vision of ireland.


I think you are confusing de facto power and de jure legitimacy. The Nazis were certainly the de facto power in occupied France during much of WW2, but they were hardly legitimate. While the Free French Government couldnt even set foot in France at the time, it was certainly the legitimate authority.

[Cael]

But back to the main topic. Shooting pushers is really the easy way out. the really big challenge facing CIRA is to restore a sense of pride and purpose in the youth of Ireland. Its no wonder at all that Ireland's youth just want to get stoned and stay that way, as their sense of worth has been totally stripped away from them by the free state gombeens who misrule the 26, and the stormont gombeens who misrule the 06 under the English Crown.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

Well Said Cael.

[Corkrebel]

The IRA need support , its the blood that pumps the heart. But, they should not be knee capping and other petty stuff like that. Otherwise the IRA will seem like another gang.
Find the big targets, take them out, and then issuie a statement to the press, why he was taken out, and state there good hearted intentions.

[Cael]

The IRA need support , its the blood that pumps the heart. But, they should not be knee capping and other petty stuff like that. Otherwise the IRA will seem like another gang.
Find the big targets, take them out, and then issuie a statement to the press, why he was taken out, and state there good hearted intentions.



Indeed, I would condsider it a fact that big landowners, speculators and the gombeen politicians who act as their frontmen do much more harm to the Irish people than the drug pushers do. Taking out a few pushers and leaving the really big criminals unmolested seems to be mere hypocracy.

[ciaranxavier]

I think you are confusing de facto power and de jure legitimacy. The Nazis were certainly the de facto power in occupied France during much of WW2, but they were hardly legitimate. While the Free French Government couldnt even set foot in France at the time, it was certainly the legitimate authority.

i know what you mean but when i mentioned what i did i wasnt talking party policy i was talking current lawmakers.

[ciaranxavier]

and why is the poll a differant question then the thread i believe they should take a more active community role but i dont think it should be in the form of bashing drug dealers heads in.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

ciaran exavier how would yoiu invisage the C.I.R.A being more active in the communitys? perhaps having open days for all to come and see them?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

so cael would you like to see C.I.R.A targeting the big criminals? cut off the head and it will definitely have an impact.

[Mellows1922]

so cael would you C.I.R.A targeting the big criminals? cut off the head and it will definitely have an impact.

lol, I really hope you were trying to be ironic with the wording you chose !

[ártybhoy]

Mellows he was calling a Spade a spade lol

[RSF-Fianoglach]

arthy boy,YOU being an IRSP man your not exactly in a position to call anyone a criminal it is common knowledge the I.N.L.A are deeply inbedded in criminalityon the other hand there is no proof the C.I.R.A have ever been involved in criminality.

[Cael]

Mellows and Arty are a bit behind the times. Its now clear that CIRA had no part in the murders they are refering too.

[Cael]

so cael would you like to see C.I.R.A targeting the big criminals? cut off the head and it will definitely have an impact.


Any revolution in Ireland will demand such action. As Connolly pointed out, its not just a case of changing the accents of the oppressors.

[Mellows1922]

Mellows and Arty are a bit behind the times. Its now clear that CIRA had no part in the murders they are refering too.

Been getting tips from Tommy Tiernan on the aul comedy over the holidays Cael ?

[Cael]

Been getting tips from Tommy Tiernan on the aul comedy over the holidays Cael ?


Sorry to dissapoint you, but its now clear that nobody involved in that incident were current members of the IRA.

[Mellows1922]

Sorry to dissapoint you, but its now clear that nobody involved in that incident were current members of the IRA.

If anybody is convicted of this crime will they be accepted onto the CIRA wing ?

[belfast rep]

arthy boy,YOU being an IRSP man your not exactly in a position to call anyone a criminal it is common knowledge the I.N.L.A are deeply inbedded in criminalityon the other hand there is no proof the C.I.R.A have ever been involved in criminality.

Please provide proof about the INLA, not its common knowledge or it is believed or the the dogs in the street know, but facts.

[belfast rep]

Sorry to dissapoint you, but its now clear that nobody involved in that incident were current members of the IRA.

Ho,Ho,Ho

[Vox Populi]

ciaran exavier how would yoiu invisage the C.I.R.A being more active in the communitys? perhaps having open days for all to come and see them?If you were indeed a member of RSF, why not raise this through the appropiate channels? If you were a member, why would you even post a thread like this?

If you'd like to supply evidence of RSM members being involved in criminality and wish to remain unknown please do so by contacting 392 Falls Road, Belfast.

[Vox Populi]

Sorry to dissapoint you, but its now clear that nobody involved in that incident were current members of the IRA.So they've been expelled? This is a change in line from insisting the CIRA had no involvement in the killing of Jones and company.

[Corkrebel]

what is really annoying these days about the ''factions'' that are still at war ''suposedly'' are doing nothing at all!! okay, theres the marching, and the fund raiser's, and the bit of gossip, but in reality, if the CIRA and RIRA are still at war, where is this war bring bloody faught???
Never mind doing somthing in dublin, there doing nothing at all!!!! I understand because of the agreement and all that, that it might not be a good time.
But surely theres SOMTHING they can do. Last time i checked, the red hand commandos were still at war, so why dont they take some of them out, or do somthing. As each day pass's the IRA factions become more and more of a joke, feeding of long gone days where freedom mightent of been close, but it was what we all were heading for.

[Cael]

what is really annoying these days about the ''factions'' that are still at war ''suposedly'' are doing nothing at all!! okay, theres the marching, and the fund raiser's, and the bit of gossip, but in reality, if the CIRA and RIRA are still at war, where is this war bring bloody faught???
Never mind doing somthing in dublin, there doing nothing at all!!!! I understand because of the agreement and all that, that it might not be a good time.
But surely theres SOMTHING they can do. Last time i checked, the red hand commandos were still at war, so why dont they take some of them out, or do somthing. As each day pass's the IRA factions become more and more of a joke, feeding of long gone days where freedom mightent of been close, but it was what we all were heading for.



You seem to have a very simplistic view of the world. The correct course for the IRA at the moment is to continue arming and training, building up its national infrastructure and preparing the people for revolution. Im sure the enemy would be delighted if the IRA were, once again, forced into a campaign that they were not ready for.

[Cael]

If anybody is convicted of this crime will they be accepted onto the CIRA wing ?


"convicted" by who exactly? If they are ever convicted by a lawful court marshal Im sure there wont be any question of them going to any wing.

[Corkrebel]

suppose you have a point, but i just hope this ''revolution'' isent far off

[Cael]

So they've been expelled? This is a change in line from insisting the CIRA had no involvement in the killing of Jones and company.


Not members at the time.

[DublinRepublican]

"convicted" by who exactly? If they are ever convicted by a lawful court marshal Im sure there wont be any question of them going to any wing.
So you would support the killing of people who actually done something about mi5 agents? :hmmm:

[Cael]

So you would support the killing of people who actually done something about mi5 agents? :hmmm:


I said nothing about killing. A court marshal may find that they acted in self defense, for example.

[Cael]

suppose you have a point, but i just hope this ''revolution'' isent far off


We have been under enemy occupation for 800 years. dont you think its worth taking some time to get it right next time?

[belfast rep]

We have been under enemy occupation for 800 years. dont you think its worth taking some time to get it right next time?
it will take even more time so that all activist can prove to Cork rebel that they are of pure 100% Irish stock and absolutely not tainted in any way by Johnny foreigner

[scarface]

it will take even more time so that all activist can prove to Cork rebel that they are of pure 100% Irish stock and absolutely not tainted in any way by Johnny foreigner

:icon_lol: :eusa_clap: it does amaze me how people can have such stupid opinions as cork rebel though

[Corkrebel]

yeah, dont i sound really stupid huh???? africans with aids!!! am i mad!!! hahahaha

what!!!! you mean poland is raping our country?? where ever did those people come from!!!!

wow, i must of completely though up of my own opinion and pretend our culture and econemy isent under seidge by a bunch of foreigners!!!!!

[Corkrebel]

oh yeah cael it is going to take some time alright, yeah suurrreeee lets knee cap some stupid kids and get hated by the local population in the process.......... no, we need to act fast because the way things are going, with all the immigrants coming in and stuff, no one gives a ****

[scarface]

yeah, dont i sound really stupid huh???? africans with aids!!! am i mad!!! hahahaha

what!!!! you mean poland is raping our country?? where ever did those people come from!!!!

wow, i must of completely though up of my own opinion and pretend our culture and econemy isent under seidge by a bunch of foreigners!!!!!

this is the same racist drivel that was spouted against Irish people who went to live and work in England,America and other places around the world you are not a republican you are a bigot

[DFCRFB]

i think you need to add racist into that as well.

[Comrade Ryan]

excuse my spelling error i believe i meant half cocked.mr ryan i have no intrest in your non sensical ramblings posting for the sake of posting.

you made a daft comment and I challenged it. You made another daft comment and I challenged it again.

It seems your posts are the nonsensical rambling ones, soldier.

[Comrade Ryan]

If you were indeed a member of RSF, why not raise this through the appropiate channels? If you were a member, why would you even post a thread like this?

If you'd like to supply evidence of RSM members being involved in criminality and wish to remain unknown please do so by contacting 392 Falls Road, Belfast.

Tomas is a walter mitty, you may not have discovered that by now, but most of the rest of us have.

He's a former member of an illegitimate army (freestate) which he joined to get fit and to learn how to tell the time, he lived in england where he was attacked more than once by black people merely for being white, he is an expert in islam, lebanon, hamas, hezbollah, etc, courtesy of wiki (whom he has labelled a very reliable source of info...no laughing), he hates islam but is currently engaged to an algerian muslim and hangs with her muslim friends who apparently agree with his bigoted views.

He's best not taken seriously but he's fun to make a show of once and a while.

[celticsean1888]

criminals aways feared the ira but now they have free run of the place...
alot miss the security they provided instead of the scum peelers... its gona take something big to scare them back into their shells... a kneecapping of a major drugdealer or to hell with it just nut him to put a message out... i believe the guards would welcome it lol:angry: :chair: :thumbsup:

[ciaranxavier]

this is the same racist drivel that was spouted against Irish people who went to live and work in England,America and other places around the world you are not a republican you are a bigot

:eusa_clap:

[ciaranxavier]

criminals aways feared the ira but now they have free run of the place...
alot miss the security they provided instead of the scum peelers... its gona take something big to scare them back into their shells... a kneecapping of a major drugdealer or to hell with it just nut him to put a message out... i believe the guards would welcome it lol:angry: :chair: :thumbsup:

yaa lets get the republicans killed fighting drug dealers well the 6 countys are occupied. i think we have to focus on the goal and do PR thats not going to get our soldiers killed. the manpower isnt big enough to sustain a two sided war. one with a superpower and the other with the criminal underground. both formidable opponents. i say deal with the main problem and deal with the rest after and in the meantime put more pressure on the current administration to do their job and police our country.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

mr ryan it is now obvious you have the IQ of a rock i have refuted every silly claim you made and as a result you have been made look like the fool you are,i have used wiki twice so its a gross exageration from you to say i rely on wiki for all my info,its realy shows the measure of you when you keep lying like this,just like the other lie you told about 3 IRA men with no connecction to ireland whatsoever,but strangley they all have names that are irish or very common in ireland,you have been proven to be the walter as i always say the facts speak for themselves.

[Comrade Ryan]

mr ryan it is now obvious you have the IQ of a rock i have refuted every silly claim you made and as a result you have been made look like the fool you are,i have used wiki twice so its a gross exageration from you to say i rely on wiki for all my info,its realy shows the measure of you when you keep lying like this,just like the other lie you told about 3 IRA men with no connecction to ireland whatsoever,but strangley they all have names that are irish or very common in ireland,you have been proven to be the walter as i always say the facts speak for themselves.

You think?

You have refuted ever silly claim have you? You do constantly refer to wkik, in fact one time you copied and pasted the exact same info onto various threads. Those are the times when it was obvious that you were relying on it because you copy and pasted it, god knows how many other times you have used it for info.

You are also on record as claiming tha wiki was a very reliable source of information. This ludicrous statement of faith shows how much of a fool you are kiddo. The fact that it can be altered and added to by any fool with a pc has not downgraded its reliability with you.

Everyone else here, with any sense, knows wiki is very unreliable.

Its also common practice for you to duck many points or questions put to you by me. I have never ducked anythign posted by you because your bigoted rubbish is so easily countered its actually starting to lose it appeal.

Explain exactly how I lied about the three IRA men? I'll ask you again here because you have refused to address that point elsewhere.

In response to you bigotry about immigrants and republicanism I highlighted two cases where 'foreigners' had served the IRA well and had been imprisoned for their actions.

You asked me to evidence it, as you obviously doubted it was true.

I did. I posted two incidents where non-irish had been imprisoned for IRA action in england.

Hayes and Taylor are both english. I have stated over and over again that Hayes has one irish grandparent but everyone else in his recent geneology including himself was born and bred in england. He was convinced by the politics as any immigrant may be.

Taylor has abosolutely no irish connection at all. He was merely convinced of the righteousness of the cause as a devout socialist. By not accpeting this you appear a complete idiot - your growing brand identity.

Crawley, is an american. Pure and simple. There is no mention of irish ancestry nor can you provide any information to prove he is irish in any way. I'll stick with the facts, you stick with your desperate speculation.

Your assertion about the surnames proves what exactly? Nothing. That I have lied? Most certainly not. That you are a fool? Most certainly.

Hayes: "The Hayes are descended from the Gaelic sept of the Ó hAodha, although Hayes is also a common name in England where it derives from places of the same name.

Taylor: "An English occupational name for a tailor, from Old French "tailleur" for "tailor" which comes from the Latin "taliare," meaning "to cut." It is among the most commonly found surnames, due to its popularity as a medieval occupation.

Surname Origin: English

Alternate Surname Spellings: TAYLER, TAILOUR, TAYLOUR, TAILLEUR, TAILOR"


Crawley: "Origin: Crawley (and Crowley) is a corruption of Crow-Ann-Lea, meaning that the first people of the name Crawley (and Crowley) lived on the crow (shady) side of Lea Hill, which is somewhere in England.
Surnames: Crawley, Crowley"

So these people may or may not have any link of any type with Ireland. Its more likely, considering the geneology of the names, that none of the men have irish links (with the exception of hayes).

If you can produce evidence that they are indeed irish let me know, i'm not adverse to being corrected on this.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

ryan for all i or anyone else knows you could have made these storys up,show references so people can go and check it out themselves,otherwise its just hearsay

[Hessian Peel]

You're presuming that the CIRA could do something about the Dublin drug gangs even if they wanted to. The Contos would probably get a good hiding if they tried to muscle any of the major players. This is just an observation from the sidelines; I obviously have no idea as to the capability of either party.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

if you have no idea of the size of either side then why do you presume the contos would get a hidng? also size is irrelevant it would depend on how effective either side would be and how disciplined.

[Ghadaffi]

I find it very funny that some people here have inside information on this or they are just making **** up as they go along:hmmm: .

I don't know what happened that night nor do i want to, so how can people say that they are ODC's, they won't get on a wing and etc.

Seems to me people are reading the Sunday Waste and god knows what else!!!

[DublinRepublican]

I find it very funny that some people here have inside information on this or they are just making **** up as they go along:hmmm: .

I don't know what happened that night nor do i want to, so how can people say that they are ODC's, they won't get on a wing and etc.

Seems to me people are reading the Sunday Waste and god knows what else!!!

Is right, I couldnt agree more a chara.

[ciaranxavier]

if you have no idea of the size of either side then why do you presume the contos would get a hidng? also size is irrelevant it would depend on how effective either side would be and how disciplined.

plus a war with the drug underworld would be differant they dont play with rules so it doesnt matter how they achieve their goals. the republican armys have to stay inside guidelines.

[redflag32]

The Dublin drug gangs would be more than capable of taking on the CIRA in Dublin. And very possibly destroy them.

[East Tyrone]

The Dublin drug gangs would be more than capable of taking on the CIRA in Dublin. And very possibly destroy them.

The contos couldn't take out a Boots Chemist never mind a Dublin drug gang; even if they had brand new spades.

[DublinRepublican]

The Dublin drug gangs would be more than capable of taking on the CIRA in Dublin. And very possibly destroy them.

When you actually to decide do something about your politics you should comment with a valid political point, instead of trying to denigrate others who are active in Republicanism.


How do you know anything about the CIRA in Dublin or their strength? As a cladestine military organisation, I would presume they dont release figures of strength. I dont know what the organisation's strengths or weaknesses are, nor do I want to know. People should not make ignorant statements about organistions they know nothing of. Its exactly why I dont take part in guess work and general speculation about Republican groups.

[Ernie O'Malley]

Óglaigh na h-Éireann are obviously not in a position at present to challenge the British effectively they certainly are not in the position to "involve" themselves in the Community i.e dishing out punishments.
The IRA ahould have never and should never act as a police force alienating the community from its ambitions...
Last year in Belfast several so-called punishment attacks were carried out by a group claiming to represent CIRA not one attack was forwarded against anything remotely connected to The Occupation forces, this showed weakness and vulnerability to the community, this showed that these people were prepared to take a young nationalist from their homes to a secluded area and shoot him but not prepared to take on the British even at a distance.

Óglaigh na h-Éireann I am sure are internally capable of their own judgements...

[East Tyrone]

Óglaigh na h-Éireann are obviously not in a position at present to challenge the British effectively they certainly are not in the position to "involve" themselves in the Community i.e dishing out punishments.
The IRA ahould have never and should never act as a police force alienating the community from its ambitions...
Last year in Belfast several so-called punishment attacks were carried out by a group claiming to represent CIRA not one attack was forwarded against anything remotely connected to The Occupation forces, this showed weakness and vulnerability to the community, this showed that these people were prepared to take a young nationalist from their homes to a secluded area and shoot him but not prepared to take on the British even at a distance.

Óglaigh na h-Éireann I am sure are internally capable of their own judgements...


Would they be capable of looking internally and seeing what everybody else sees; a f*ckin disgracefull charade that needs to be ended immeadietly?

[Ernie O'Malley]

I would hope those with the authority of making decisions realise the cause of the IRA is as a revolutionary Army to inspire hope and beleif in the revolution, all actions have the capability to destroy hope so I personally understand after a period of abuse continued by Provos from 86 to the present day that the main objective of any revolutionary body would be to encourage and build within

[DublinRepublican]

Would they be capable of looking internally and seeing what everybody else sees; a f*ckin disgracefull charade that needs to be ended immeadietly?

Are you describing stormont?

[Ernie O'Malley]

Are you describing stormont?

:icon_lol:

Posted by East Tyrone
Would they be capable of looking internally and seeing what everybody else sees; a f*ckin disgracefull charade that needs to be ended immeadietly?



I take it "everyone" is you and those who share your opinion? Republicans have a different View I feel

[redflag32]

When you actually to decide do something about your politics you should comment with a valid political point, instead of trying to denigrate others who are active in Republicanism.

I do plenty, are we really going to have the "i do more work on the ground than you do argument"? My point was harsh but was infact what you asked for in the above "a valid political point". What i said wasnt a statement of fact, if you actually read it instead of getting all hot and bothered you would hav seen this. I said the criminals would be more than capable of taking on the CIRA in Dublin, which we all know they would be. They would be capable of taking on any republican movement in Dublin INLA,CIRA or RIRA,their combined strenght is huge.This thread is about the CIRA so there was no need to include other republican organisations in my thread,thats why you got upset,you thought i was targetting the CIRA for abuse.ONly recently in another thread on another forum i said something similar about the INLA taking on Dublin criminals. Saying they are capable of taking on the CIRA isnt having a dig at the CIRA at all. I said the criminals could "very possibly" destroy them, this is not a statement of fact either so there is no need for your little hissy fit. Im actually very surprised by this from you.

How do you know anything about the CIRA in Dublin or their strength?

I dont, but i do know the Dublin criminals would be capable of taking them on,do you not?

[East Tyrone]

:icon_lol:




I take it "everyone" is you and those who share your opinion? Republicans have a different View I feel

No the "everyone" would be the 98+% of the population of Ireland that thinks the CIRA is a f*cking sick, pathetic joke that should be dissolved immeadietly.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

red flag i certainly dont agree with you,for instance most criminals are well known local thugs who present themselves as easy targets,most IRA are unknown to many for obvious reasons,the fact is most of the major irish criminals dont live in ireland they send drugs to ireland from relative safety in spain or elswhere in europe,the gangs that operate around dublin are not a united dublin organisation so in theory it wouldnt be too hard to systematicly target them and take out there top men around the local areas with relative anonimity,the fact is the provos did keep dub gangsters in check,and if the gangsters got too big for there boots then the provos would take them out take martin the general cahill for example,but now the provos have largly left a vacum in dublin and other major irish citys as is clearly evident when you see the dramatic increase in gun crime by little scumbags with no respect for life or liberty,surely this epidemic is also a threat to the irish nation and needs to be dealt with.if the C.I.R.A where more active in the local communitys they would recieve the support of the local community,i know because i live in an area blighted by drugs and almost every person i know asks what are the IRA doing about it.

[Ernie O'Malley]

No the "everyone" would be the 98+% of the population of Ireland that thinks the CIRA is a f*cking sick, pathetic joke that should be dissolved immeadietly.

98% where have you obtained these no doubt sound figures? Oh I see now you make things up to sound authoritarian!!

[robertemmett]

No the "everyone" would be the 98+% of the population of Ireland that thinks the CIRA is a f*cking sick, pathetic joke that should be dissolved immeadietly.

whereas the 98 plus % of the irish people think that the PIRA are cool

[RSF-Fianoglach]

East tyrone im not suprised by your simplistic statements as im sure you are one of these people who joined sinn fein when you knew it was safe to do so,full of romantic notions of its past,people like you are weak pathetic and cowardly,and if it all kicked off tomorrow and the provos where back in action im sure you would drop sinn fein like a lead weight,you are a plastic republican with little knowledge of the justification for the armed struggle,i imagine you being a soft college boy whos never seen a bad day.

[Ernie O'Malley]

Anyone who relies on venomously attacking in order to defend their beleifs is simply a "paper tiger" a "reactionary" without their own beliefs, beleifs temporarily borrowed from others with out foundation as Mao taught us, not to be confused with anything other than a fair weather friend.

The Republican Army will no doubt inspire many in the year to come.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

EAST TYRONE IS A MEMBER OF THE P.I.R.A the Plastic Irish Republican Army

[redflag32]

[QUOTE]red flag i certainly dont agree with you,for instance most criminals are well known local thugs who present themselves as easy targets,

I asumed you ment the criminal drug gangs not the petty scum bags. The ones lower down the scale are usually drug addicts and id like to make a point by quoting a slogan that was used during the cocad marches in dublin "addicts we care,pushers beware". No republican organisation will gain any credibility by tackling the lower ebbs of the criminal ladder.


the fact is the provos did keep dub gangsters in check,and if the gangsters got too big for there boots then the provos would take them out take martin the general cahill for example,

The provos controlled the guns coming into Ireland so very few criminal drug gangs had the capacity to take them on,no guns would have come into Ireland unless the provos agreed. This isnt the case anymore and the criminals are heavely armed. Also the provos took on the criminals when they had resonable involvement in community activities. Its members were already anti-drug activists and campaigned in their own community for more to be done. The CIRA have no involvement in community activity on a level like the provos did. Now i say the CIRA and the PIRA but what i mean is their political representatives. If you want community respect then get active with bread and butter issues, campaign for drug awareness. People are sick of guns.

[Ernie O'Malley]

Just on the Issue of Dublin Criminals, Did Magan Maclogain and McCurtain not bring in Army Order No.8? this surely would mean that the activities of 26 county gangsters are not to be dealt with via republican guns does it not?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

no ernie that only refers to freestate soldiers and gardai,and prison service,it doesnt refer to criminals in the republic.

[Ernie O'Malley]

Perhaps...I've only ever heard it mentioned never studied it... although I would not like the IRA to become bogged down in gangland

[RSF-Fianoglach]

redflag obviously i meant the gang leaders,as little would be ganed from dealing with petty thugs.also i know the criminal gangs are heavily armed,but they are also poorly skilled with the weapons and not organised on a comparison to a disciplined army.RSF are active in local areas and are growing steadily the more people are becoming aware the more support they show,the local people are also the ones looking for action to be taken against these enemys of the republic.as you can see from the poll,the majority would support such action.

[East Tyrone]

East tyrone im not suprised by your simplistic statements as im sure you are one of these people who joined sinn fein when you knew it was safe to do so,full of romantic notions of its past,people like you are weak pathetic and cowardly,and if it all kicked off tomorrow and the provos where back in action im sure you would drop sinn fein like a lead weight,you are a plastic republican with little knowledge of the justification for the armed struggle,i imagine you being a soft college boy whos never seen a bad day.
You'd imagine alright, your imagination is pretty warped and you rely on it constantly because you know f*ck all. I have no need to justify myself to a half-wit like yourself
Anyone who relies on venomously attacking in order to defend their beleifs is simply a "paper tiger" a "reactionary" without their own beliefs, beleifs temporarily borrowed from others with out foundation as Mao taught us, not to be confused with anything other than a fair weather friend.
The Republican Army will no doubt inspire many in the year to come.
Mao was a meglomaniac, mass-murdering paedophile; some f*ckin role model, might as well be a pope.

[Ernie O'Malley]

You'd imagine alright, your imagination is pretty warped and you rely on it constantly because you know f*ck all. I have no need to justify myself to a half-wit like yourself

Mao was a meglomaniac, mass-murdering paedophile; some f*ckin role model, might as well be a pope.


Vulgarity and hatred, as I said "Paper Tiger reactionary"

[robertemmett]

You'd imagine alright, your imagination is pretty warped and you rely on it constantly because you know f*ck all. I have no need to justify myself to a half-wit like yourself

Mao was a meglomaniac, mass-murdering paedophile; some f*ckin role model, might as well be a pope.


ah sinn fein these days, full of bright, young, well spoken men.

[East Tyrone]

Vulgarity and hatred, as I said "Paper Tiger reactionary"

And you would be a toilet-paper revolutionary.

[Ernie O'Malley]

And you would be a toilet-paper revolutionary.

All the hatred, from a man of peace how sad. Why not embrace debate as an equal, there are no pedestols here you are not upon one simple realisation of equality could enhance your strained vulgar vocabluary and befriend one with revolutionary love.

[East Tyrone]

All the hatred, from a man of peace how sad. Why not embrace debate as an equal, there are no pedestols here you are not upon one simple realisation of equality could enhance your strained vulgar vocabluary and befriend one with revolutionary love.

Evidently there are no spell-checkers either.

[Ernie O'Malley]

Still the elitist hatred, as I said how very sad. Anything of substance to add?

[East Tyrone]

Still the elitist hatred, as I said how very sad. Anything of substance to add?

Always with the victimhood, how pathetic. If you would like to be taken seriously you should try posting in coherant sentences. Is it elitist to expect to be able to ascertain your point without the use of a babel fish? Or is it your strategy to conceal your lack of point with linguistic obscurance?

[Ernie O'Malley]

Continuing with hostility?, have you forgotten the reason you stopped supporting the SDLP?..the Provo's are on ceasefire!
Try attempting debate with out the word "diatribe" and with out ranting diatribes I would like debate not the usual hostile nonsense please. I understand in another debate their are frayed tempers though I do not see how this encourages debate here?

[East Tyrone]

Continuing with hostility?, have you forgotten the reason you stopped supporting the SDLP?..the Provo's are on ceasefire!
Try attempting debate with out the word "diatribe" and with out ranting diatribes I would like debate not the usual hostile nonsense please. I understand in another debate their are frayed tempers though I do not see how this encourages debate here?

I have never been an SDLP supporter; not even when you were at home in Fermanagh; before you started pretending to be a Belfast hardman.

[Ernie O'Malley]

Ah I never was a hard man unfortunately nor pretended other wise, I think we both know you are a johnny come lately to the provo cause and are telling porkie pies about East Tyrone? lol

[Ernie O'Malley]

Is there something in your mind inferior about the lovely lakelands of Fermanagh? I think of it as one of Irelands beautys with many fine contributions to much especially republicanism...your elitism spreads to geography too?

How sad to see your hostility force you in tto a situation where you look a fool from all angles on the entire forum, abusing women attempting to bully those undaunted by your tirades of nothingness, nit even a man, if you spoke to a lady in a public house as you have on numerous occasions in the arena you would feel the wrath of a diluded "belfast hardman" lol I never knew there was a such thing lol

[East Tyrone]

Ah I never was a hard man unfortunately nor pretended other wise, I think we both know you are a johnny come lately to the provo cause and are telling porkie pies about East Tyrone? lol

Is that right? You know nothing about me and I'm not about to enlighten you. I have no need to justify anything to the likes of you.

[Ernie O'Malley]

Oh but there are many who do know you and do not like you, perhaps due to how easy you find it to be abusive and vulgar to ladies, or your constant unfounded hostility to others...as you were never an activist some find this venom strange and do tell!

[East Tyrone]

Oh but there are many who do know you and do not like you, perhaps due to how easy you find it to be abusive and vulgar to ladies, or your constant unfounded hostility to others...as you were never an activist some find this venom strange and do tell!

This fish isn't biting Ernie. This is so typical of you and your ilk. You cannot counter my arguments so you attempt a character assassination. It's not going to work so you might as well try something else.
Furthermore, the lady in question is trying to further a smear agenda. She has obviously been well caught with the lie that somebody convinced her to post and now she shirks the responsibility of explanation. I think I was quite justified in my use of provocative language to gain her attention. It is indicative of the baseless nature of her attempted allegations that she has no response for me.

[Ernie O'Malley]

I do not want it to bite, I am merely pointing out facts upon this board I would not stoop down low to give out information on a known person on a monitored internet site, I did not grow up with stoop training and these tactics are foreign to me. Bullying women, calling them filthy names, giving out information which could be useful to loyalists, while attempting to portrey an image of self restraint and calm, it is well I am the uncaring type when it comes to fools or I would ask you for a few neandertholic vulgarities so as I could call you out lol

[Ernie O'Malley]

This fish isn't biting Ernie. This is so typical of you and your ilk. You cannot counter my arguments so you attempt a character assassination. It's not going to work so you might as well try something else.
Furthermore, the lady in question is trying to further a smear agenda. She has obviously been well caught with the lie that somebody convinced her to post and now she shirks the responsibility of explanation. I think I was quite justified in my use of provocative language to gain her attention. It is indicative of the baseless nature of her attempted allegations that she has no response for me.

In a public arena no decent person would justify the attack you know that...No decent man would tolerate it, and no republican would allow it to go with out reprimand I believe.

I do not care about your charachter any man capable of calling a woman the names you have is not a man and has no charachter and any man giving details out is merely an ignoramus or simply a provocateur.

Oh..I have no "ilk" I'm unique lol

[Hildy]

I do not want it to bite, I am merely pointing out facts upon this board I would not stoop down low to give out information on a known person on a monitored internet site, I did not grow up with stoop training and these tactics are foreign to me. Bullying women, calling them filthy names, giving out information which could be useful to loyalists, while attempting to portrey an image of self restraint and calm, it is well I am the uncaring type when it comes to fools or I would ask you for a few neandertholic vulgarities so as I could call you out lol

Well this is rather strange coming from you Ernie, because when you were communitarian you sure didn't worry about these things.....in fact you were rather over the top with your insults and vulgarity, so much so that I asked you to please tone it down and take your insults off the board on a few occasions. I have to admit that I do like this "new" you, but you don't have to act so offended or defensive now that its being directed to you.

[East Tyrone]

I do not want it to bite, I am merely pointing out facts upon this board I would not stoop down low to give out information on a known person on a monitored internet site, I did not grow up with stoop training and these tactics are foreign to me. Bullying women, calling them filthy names, giving out information which could be useful to loyalists, while attempting to portrey an image of self restraint and calm, it is well I am the uncaring type when it comes to fools or I would ask you for a few neandertholic vulgarities so as I could call you out lol

Where was the "information that could be usefull to loyalists"?
Stoop training what are you on? PM me and tell me who you think I am; I could use a good laugh.

[Ernie O'Malley]

I Know well your little charade as you have attempted the same with many, some more worrysome of petty nonsense than my self.
I find it amusing that you would attempt to bully women on the internet it would be fun for womanhood to see how you treat them in person..a true sign of a coward bullying a woman dispicable and the information you give out you can work out your self lol, oh and hildy thanks for dropping by, but communitarian never called a woman a derogatory name, describing the words of a woman perhaps but never calling a woman that filthy disgusting C word how anti-republican...

[Hildy]

oh and hildy thanks for dropping by, but communitarian never called a woman a derogatory name, describing the words of a woman perhaps but never calling a woman that filthy disgusting C word how anti-republican...

Well normally I would agree with you, but in this instance, I have to agree with East Tyrone, if you are referring to whom he just directed that word to on this forum recently. Because as much as I loathe the word, she fits the bill! Sorry!

[East Tyrone]

I Know well your little charade as you have attempted the same with many, some more worrysome of petty nonsense than my self.
I find it amusing that you would attempt to bully women on the internet it would be fun for womanhood to see how you treat them in person..a true sign of a coward bullying a woman dispicable and the information you give out you can work out your self lol, oh and hildy thanks for dropping by, but communitarian never called a woman a derogatory name, describing the words of a woman perhaps but never calling a woman that filthy disgusting C word how anti-republican...

I don't have a babel fish to hand and there is no sign of a PM to back-up your identity theories. As is evident by the lack of both pm and linguistic integrity, you are talking out of your hole.

[elle]

Well normally I would agree with you, but in this instance, I have to agree with East Tyrone, if you are referring to whom he just directed that word to on this forum recently. Because as much as I loathe the word, she fits the bill! Sorry!

really??? instead of insulting me here take it to the arena. I won't even insult you as this post says it all, so gents next time Hildy calls you out on insulting, or 'unsuitable' topics redirect her to this post! Honestly, and you call yourself a lady?:cry: for hilsy

[Hildy]

really??? instead of insulting me here take it to the arena. I won't even insult you as this post says it all, so gents next time Hildy calls you out on insulting, or 'unsuitable' topics redirect her to this post! Honestly, and you call yourself a lady?:cry: for hilsy

Oh you love the attention elle, quit acting like you don't. You're the most attention seeking idiot I've ever met anywhere!:icon_lol:

[Ernie O'Malley]

Well I do not claim to believe what I hear on the Internet but from what I have been told on the internet and as this refers to the internet then it is sound enough for Ernie O'Malley -who isn't Ernie O'Malley just as east tyrone isn't east tyrone and just as east tyrone the long suffering Provo has not been a provo for long not even when I was a young lad of 15 preparing to play the "Belfast hardman" lol what a role and how badly I seemed to have played it, but once a gentleman always a gentleman a thing a woman abuser like your self can only imagine. lol

[elle]

Oh you love the attention elle, quit acting like you don't. You're the most attention seeking idiot I've ever met anywhere!:icon_lol:

actually the attention that you give people normally ends in them being banned, censored and such, so no I don't, and if you have something to say to me come to the arena and stop derailing threads

[Ernie O'Malley]

Hildy I dont think that word describes anyone it is an awful term altogether, I would be as close as one comes to one but still would not tolerate it said infront of me let alone a lady.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

hildy is a sinn fein drone its not her fault,they exist only as pawns in gerry and martins quest for power,they are not allowed think for themselves as is evident from all the councilers resigning there psots due to the dictatorship of there party.

[Hildy]

actually the attention that you give people normally ends in them being banned, censored and such, so no I don't, and if you have something to say to me come to the arena and stop derailing threads

Go perch on yer thread, or do yer chicken dance or whatever it is that you do, and leave me the hell alone! Thank you!

[East Tyrone]

Well I do not claim to believe what I hear on the Internet but from what I have been told on the internet and as this refers to the internet then it is sound enough for Ernie O'Malley -who isn't Ernie O'Malley just as east tyrone isn't east tyrone and just as east tyrone the long suffering Provo has not been a provo for long not even when I was a young lad of 15 preparing to play the "Belfast hardman" lol what a role and how badly I seemed to have played it, but once a gentleman always a gentleman a thing a woman abuser like your self can only imagine. lol

I've never claimed to be a "Provo", link one instance where I have claimed to have participated in the armed struggle.

[Ernie O'Malley]

For clarity I refer to all Adamsites as Provo's (not refering to armed struggle), I would not like to implicate a man unjustly that would be stooping

\I know you never were involved in armed struggle goes with out saying.

[elle]

http://www.irishrepublican.net/forum/showthread.php?p=45147&posted=1#post45147

[Koneko]

Go perch on yer thread, or do yer chicken dance or whatever it is that you do, and leave me the hell alone! Thank you!


Ladies, enough! take it to the arena.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

there are many on this forum who stoop without even the care of the consequences of there statements,i have been the victim of such stoops more than one,no names no scandle

[East Tyrone]

For clarity I refer to all Adamsites as Provo's (not refering to armed struggle), I would not like to implicate a man unjustly that would be stooping

Clarity is not a concept that I would associate with your posts; it, along with logic and veracity, is generally lacking.

[elle]

Ladies, enough! take it to the arena.


have been trying, she obviously feels safe where others can intervene so please allow that on this thread
http://www.irishrepublican.net/forum/showthread.php?p=45147&posted=1#post45147

[Ernie O'Malley]

I find it amusing people whom worry about it, it goes to show that outside cyberspace they have faced little hardship if words on a site can cut to the bone/less

[Ernie O'Malley]

Clarity is not a concept that I would associate with your posts; it, along with logic and veracity, is generally lacking.

the 360 is now complete a thank ya

[East Tyrone]

the 360 is now complete a thank ya

Are you building an xbox?

[Ernie O'Malley]

No, I am laughing at you again its entertaining me I cant sleep Ive too many dreams and aspirations too much hope burning inside I love people terrible isnt it? lol

[Ernie O'Malley]

I love you aswell East Tyrone just so you know, and hildy and elle everyone I love everything the whole shabang lol...do you love me?

[East Tyrone]

No, I am laughing at you again its entertaining me I cant sleep Ive too many dreams and aspirations too much hope burning inside I love people terrible isnt it? lol

Going by the rapid-fire, dis-jointed nature of your posting I would speculate that you are being kept awake by a much, less wholesome stimulant. I find your argument less-than stimulating; so, I'm away to bed. Watch all that burning love stuff, bad for the heart; look at what happened to Katy French.

[elle]

I love you aswell ......elle everyone

shucks Ernie I told you not to tell anyone:icon_lol:

[Ernie O'Malley]

E.T Can you not even say "good night Ernie...I...love you too?"

[Ernie O'Malley]

shucks Ernie I told you not to tell anyone:icon_lol:

But my passions are keeping me awake elle what am i to do? lol

[Hildy]

Can you not even say "good night Ernie...I...love you too?"


Ahh let's all have a group hug! Luv ye too Ernie!

elle, uh, not so much!:whip:

[Ernie O'Malley]

Ahh let's all have a group hug! Luv ye too Ernie!

elle, uh, not so much!:whip:

Ahh thanks Hildy after being blew out by E.T I was going to bed a lonely man
I love elle tooooo here elle....
http://www.celebutopia.net/forum/images/smilies/newones/Group_Hug_Emoticon.gif

[Koneko]

get a room then, but take it off this thread. last warning!

[elle]

why are my posts being deleted?!?!?!??!

[Ernie O'Malley]

Point taken Admin!

Anyway to round up my nights ramblings...

I do not see how a revolutionary movement can remain a revolutionary movement by using violence in a society against a society suffering from the very causes a revolution hopes to remove.

There are people willing and able to engage with in the community the CIRA RIRA INLA etc are not required unless to deal with a major community cancer and even then it needs to be well thought out and enacted to give and spread hope not fear

[Koneko]

because you are dragging your arena dispute onto this thread. this will not be tolerated. you have all been verbally warned one time, next time you will get an official warning.

[elle]

because you are dragging your arena dispute onto this thread. this will not be tolerated. you have all been verbally warned one time, next time you will get an official warning.

I have asked the person in question to come into the arena on numerous occasions as I have copied and pasted her comments there.....its not my fault she refuses so I asked you to allow others to participate so as she can feel secure in her 'gang'


sent this here and not by PM so I don't get accused of something I don't do

[Comrade Ryan]

East tyrone im not suprised by your simplistic statements as im sure you are one of these people who joined sinn fein when you knew it was safe to do so,full of romantic notions of its past,people like you are weak pathetic and cowardly,and if it all kicked off tomorrow and the provos where back in action im sure you would drop sinn fein like a lead weight,you are a plastic republican with little knowledge of the justification for the armed struggle,i imagine you being a soft college boy whos never seen a bad day.

Where do you get your in depth knowledge of posters here?

An ex-freestate soldier with a penchant for spreading islamophobia is in no position to make judgement calls on others, particularly thise who may have been serving Irish Republicanism when you were peeling spuds in lebanon for the free state army.

[Comrade Ryan]

no ernie that only refers to freestate soldiers and gardai,and prison service,it doesnt refer to criminals in the republic.

Yes ernie that was brought into protect the likes of good aul tomas here, to keep him safe whilst rolling about the dangerous sand dunes of bundoran.

[Comrade Ryan]

ryan for all i or anyone else knows you could have made these storys up,show references so people can go and check it out themselves,otherwise its just hearsay

You can look for yourself kiddo, you know how to use google I presume. This time instaed of typing wiki, type geneology, surnames, etc. I found them easy enough.

By the way, the whole point of me posting them was to show the ludicrous nature of your assertion that I had lied about the people involved by stating the facts as published that two were english and one was american. What I have proved is that just because their surnames may exist in Ireland, does not mean that they are of irish descent as these names typically originated in england. You are the one making assumptions, I have stuck to the facts as published at the time of arrest and conviction.

For such a blatant lie, I am amazed at your lack of ability to disprove it despite me challenging you to on numerous occassions. Go on the son, prove me a liar, I know you would like nothing better.

By the way hows the 'fiancee'? Would she be welcome to serve irish republicanism being a foreigner and all?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

comrade ryan your idiotic ramblings make me laugh at you and prove to me you have never been an active republican,you have little knowledge about republicanism,the likes of you wouldnt last five minutes in recruit training so your not in a position to comment on it,as for islamaphobia you seem to have a penchant for buzz words like bigot,racist,and islamaphobia but yet you fail to back these claims up with facts,these all high lights your lack of understanding in most things,you are a nobody ryan and your silly comments confirm this.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

ryan are you lacking in the mental department? are you simple?or is it because your points are so weak you rely on lying? i have never said foriegners shouldnt serve republicanism,show me one post where i did?

as for your claim for the foriegn IRA it is your claim so you prove it,not that there names are not irish but that they have no connection to ireland prove this without any reasonable doubt,or do you expect me to prove your point for you again.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

Yes ernie that was brought into protect the likes of good aul tomas here, to keep him safe whilst rolling about the dangerous sand dunes of bundoran.

ryan this statement just confirms what we all already know,you know nothing,you wouldnt last 5 minutes in the free state army never mind any other one,i know many men in the true republican movement who have been in the free staters and the brits,so you dont know alot mr ryan do you,your just a mouth piece,what have you done for irish unity?what party are you active in? i presume the answers are Nothing and None.

[Comrade Ryan]

ryan are you lacking in the mental department? are you simple?or is it because your points are so weak you rely on lying? i have never said foriegners shouldnt serve republicanism,show me one post where i did?

as for your claim for the foriegn IRA it is your claim so you prove it,not that there names are not irish but that they have no connection to ireland prove this without any reasonable doubt,or do you expect me to prove your point for you again.

I proved all that is in the public domain.

One more time.

Hayes had one irish grandparent but other than that he and his faimly are english through and through. He came to republicanism through his involvement in socialist politics.

Taylor has absolutely no irish connection. He also became involved through his commitment to socialist politics.

Crawley is simply listed as american.

These are the facts kid, pure and simple. If you are questioning them then it is your duty to prove them wrong. You can't because they aren't simple. I'd like to hear you admit it though.

What points have you proved for me exactly?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

no mr ryan you have proved nothing all you have done is make claims how do i know all that is true? you surely dont expect me to take your word for it.

[Comrade Ryan]

Yes ernie that was brought into protect the likes of good aul tomas here, to keep him safe whilst rolling about the dangerous sand dunes of bundoran.

ryan this statement just confirms what we all already know,you know nothing,you wouldnt last 5 minutes in the free state army never mind any other one,i know many men in the true republican movement who have been in the free staters and the brits,so you dont know alot mr ryan do you,your just a mouth piece,what have you done for irish unity?what party are you active in? i presume the answers are Nothing and None.

You presume wrong lad. Actively involved in irish republicanism all my teenage and adult life.

Your posts are hiliarious though. Anytime someone gets into you you hit them with the same rubish. Its all listend son, I see you as some college kid, never done anything, blah blah...

Or its all self confirming - listen you silly little boy, you have proven yourself to be what we all know you are, a silly little johnny come lately, blah blah.

You don't get it do you? From you began posting here you have presented yourself as the biggest walter mitty going. Thats why I prod you so much, simply because you are a joke. Plain and simple.

[Comrade Ryan]

no mr ryan you have proved nothing all you have done is make claims how do i know all that is true? you surely dont expect me to take your word for it.

i posted the articles - do you need them again?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

mr ryan you present yourself as someone who thinks they know alot but in reality you know very little,im sure you here it all the time, as for the articles you posted how do we know there reliable?

[Comrade Ryan]

For good measure tomas, I'll provide them so you can disproved them or shut up on the topic.

Hayes and Taylor:

http://books.google.com/books?id=azR_Rav_OMYC&pg=PA163&lpg=PA163&dq=hayes+and+taylor+ira&source=web&ots=ADTIoBphAg&sig=XYSuN5BzWhSZRCdpSoksr2uun9I#PPA163,M1

http://libcom.org/library/red-action-ira-london-bombs-independent

John Crawley:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9405E3D71530F930A35754C0A9619582 60

I await your rebuttal.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

mr ryan ryan it is obvious from reading these articles that the 3 men you talk about didnt carry out the bombings because of a desire for irish freedom,it was simply because it suited there leftist ideolegy they where members of red action,it is misleading to imply they where irish nationalist in any way so your point has been debunked.

[Vox Populi]

Heffernan joined the INLA in Belfast, not England. He's Irish but was born and raised in England and has done more than you ever have.

[Comrade Ryan]

mr ryan ryan it is obvious from reading these articles that the 3 men you talk about didnt carry out the bombings because of a desire for irish freedom,it was simply because it suited there leftist ideolegy they where members of red action,it is misleading to imply they where irish nationalist in any way so your point has been debunked.

It is obvious is it?

Well lets talk about what obvious.

Firstly, its obvious that you have difficulty with fact and possible reading as if you had read these articles properly you'd have seen Crawley had no link to red action, so what was his excuse then?

Secondly, it is not obvious at all that these men took place in IRA operations without a desire for Irish freedom, I'd like to know where you get this certainty from.

I agree with you on one point, it would be misleading to imply they were nationalists they were not. They were trained, armed and claimed by the Irish Republican Army, which was a republican socialist army, not a nationalist one.

Do you see yourself as a republican or nationalist?

You have been, as always, debunked kid.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

VOX what the hell are you babbling about,get back in your pram.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

mr ryan it is obvious to anyone who reads your post these men where motivated by leftist ideology,the IRA are by its very nature nationalist,dont confuse nationalism with fascism.which is a common mistake among the uneducated.

[Vox Populi]

VOX what the hell are you babbling about,get back in your pram.Heffernan was a Red Action member, living in England who was convicted along with a Derry man of INLA membership, amongst other things - but didn't join the INLA in England. To somehow suggest these people are "less Irish" is a load of balls. Republicanism, by its very nature is internationalist.

[Vox Populi]

mr ryan it is obvious to anyone who reads your post these men where motivated by leftist ideology,the IRA are by its very nature nationalist,dont confuse nationalism with fascism.which is a common mistake among the uneducated.He means nationalism ala Hume, Adams, Jonathan Swift, etc. This is what "Irish nationalism" is generally considered to be.

You on the other hand are a chauvinist. That's the nationalism I think you refer to.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

ryan there is no absolute proof crawley had no irish connection,just because it doesnt go into explicit details about his ancestery doesnt mean he has no irish connection,you are assuming because he was born in america he has no irish connection,which is a bit silly.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

VOX who said there less irish,i think your a bit confused go back to the beginning and start again.

[Comrade Ryan]

He means nationalism ala Hume, Adams, Jonathan Swift, etc. This is what "Irish nationalism" is generally considered to be.

You on the other hand are a chauvinist. That's the nationalism I think you refer to.

Exactly.

[Comrade Ryan]

ryan there is no absolute proof crawley had no irish connection,just because it doesnt go into explicit details about his ancestery doesnt mean he has no irish connection,you are assuming because he was born in america he has no irish connection,which is a bit silly.

You are assuming because he has a surname that originates in england that he has an irish connection.

I have not said he has no irish connection.

I have merely stuck to the facts that these three IRA Volunteers are listed as 2 english & 1 american.

So until this is proven false I'll stick to the facts but listen don't let that stop you engaging in your little fantasies.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

vox you constantly make ad hominem arguments,you realy look silly when you do this.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

no ryan your changing your views,you did say these people had NO irish connection trying to mislead people in order to make a point,i can see straight through you.

[Comrade Ryan]

mr ryan it is obvious to anyone who reads your post these men where motivated by leftist ideology,the IRA are by its very nature nationalist,dont confuse nationalism with fascism.which is a common mistake among the uneducated.

Please do not confuse republicanism with nationalism - especailly when you are claiming to be a republican. Very worrying lack of knowledge there - thats quickly becoming your brand.

[Comrade Ryan]

no ryan your changing your views,you did say these people had NO irish connection trying to mislead people in order to make a point,i can see straight through you.

Umm no i didn't.

I have stauck to the facts consistently.

I have also posted on more than one occassion that Hayes had an Irish grandparent - do you read these or is it a comprehension problem again?

I have stated that Jan Taylor had no irish connection because he hasn't - is that ok with you?

I have stated over and over and over again, that Crawley is simply listed in everything I have read as american. There has been no mention on any irish connection, so unlike you i won't imply one. I like to stick to the facts which are known until someone can prove otherwise.

I have asked you to disprove anythign I have said but you can't. Thats one thing we can all see through.

So once again you are wrong. I have not changed tune, nor have I stated they had no irish connection. I consistently posted hayes grandparent as the only known connection.

But as I have said I am willing to be proven wrong on this, its just that you haven't managed it.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

in the beginning you said they where 3 IRA men with no connection to ireland,it will be obvious to anyone who reads your posts,unless you have edited them as i suspect.

[belfast rep]

VOX what the hell are you babbling about,get back in your pram.

i take it you didn't bother reading the articles,

[RSF-Fianoglach]

mr ryan Please do not confuse republicanism with nationalism - especailly when you are claiming to be a republican. Very worrying lack of knowledge there - thats quickly becoming your brand.

yet another ad hominem argument

most republicans will claim to be nationalist although not all nationalist will claim to be republican.

[Comrade Ryan]

mr ryan Please do not confuse republicanism with nationalism - especailly when you are claiming to be a republican. Very worrying lack of knowledge there - thats quickly becoming your brand.

yet another ad hominem argument

most republicans will claim to be nationalist although not all nationalist will claim to be republican.

Republicans are supposed to be republicans. There mere fact that you kept mentioning nationalism makes me think thats where you are really coming from and its this point that makes a bit of sense about the way you post.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

BELFAST REP i take it you and vox came into this discussion not knowing what the subject of the argument was,nobody was doubting anybodys irishness,but the discussion was on wheter the 3 men comrade ryan claimed had no irish connection,whereas i said they may have had an irish connection,but comrade ryan denies this.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

mr ryan put your cards on the table if you are republican which party do you support,you seem to change your views to suit each argument.

[belfast rep]

it is very rare we take the opportunity to congratulate anyone on this forum, but Comrade Ryan your patience and tolerance in this thread has excellent, but to honest comrade you won the debate a half dozen pages ago, theres no need to continue to embaress him by wiping the floor with him further.

[belfast rep]

mr ryan put your cards on the table if you are republican which party do you support,you seem to change your views to suit each argument.

why is that relevant, his opinions on this thread are correct.
the nationality of something who assists the Irish struggle is unimportant, it is what the do, that is relevant, did anyone Gadaffi was his name ever O'Gadaffi??
Comrade keep your cards hidden,

[Comrade Ryan]

in the beginning you said they where 3 IRA men with no connection to ireland,it will be obvious to anyone who reads your posts,unless you have edited them as i suspect.

No I didn't. I read through them all again and I clearly never stated this. But feel free to find the post where I did and paste it here, link to it, or tell me where I can find it.

Oh the edited thing. So if you can't find any you'll miraculously declare that you remember it word for word but that I went back and edited it out.

Why debate then?

Remember that time you said you were only 10 and had difficulty with the big words and ideas and thats why you say some silly things? Its there unless of course you edited it out, which I suspect you have.

Wise up.

[Comrade Ryan]

BELFAST REP i take it you and vox came into this discussion not knowing what the subject of the argument was,nobody was doubting anybodys irishness,but the discussion was on wheter the 3 men comrade ryan claimed had no i