Ógra mobilise in West Tyrone for Prisoners month

[Ógra Shinn Féin]

Saturday 22nd December seen the annual day of action for republican prisoners take place in west Tyrone. In Omagh and neighbouring Strabane Ógra Shin Féin held vigils in order to raise awareness of the men’s plight and in an act of solidarity with our imprisoned comrades.

In Omagh Ógra activists took to the streets with banners posters and leaflets. Thousands of leaflets were distributed in the town of Omagh, bustling with Christmas shoppers. Meanwhile in Strabane Ógra activists held banners and posters at Melmount Road / Bridge Street junction. Hundreds of cars were leafleted and many more drivers showed their support by sounding their horns.

Speaking following the day of action Barry McColgan, national organiser of Ógra commended all those involved variously throughout Ireland on the day of action.

For full post:

http://ograshinnfein.blogspot.com/2007/12/gra-mobilise-in-west-tyrone-for.html

[JPL]

Wasn't everyone on here criticising Ógra for not supporting prisoners? Where are they now?

Well done Ógra :)

[elle]

you talk about Republican POW so I assume it was for all Republican POWs and not like the banner shows only PIRA POWs........
:hmmm:

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[Comrade Ryan]

Well they can't support all republican prisoners whilst calling for them to be locked up.

[DFCRFB]

ohh look a thread starts and its turning into getting digs in at SF. what a surprise.

[JPL]

Don't worry - they don't support SF and called them traitors. Why should SF support them? Seriously. Let's be realistic here.

Sinn Fein has adopted a peaceful policy to Irish Republicanism. It would be a contradiction to support those who oppose peace.

[Seabird]

Good job Ogra

[Seabird]

JPL,

And their own organizations don't do a good job at supporting them either, remember the big row over the POWs? Shameful

[Comrade Ryan]

Don't worry - they don't support SF and called them traitors. Why should SF support them? Seriously. Let's be realistic here.

Sinn Fein has adopted a peaceful policy to Irish Republicanism. It would be a contradiction to support those who oppose peace.

It was asked, by you, where all the people were who criticised SF for not supporting republican prisoners. I'm assuming you don't mean people were accusing SF of not supporting their own prisoners but those of others orgs.

In that case your opening post was plain daft.

[Comrade Ryan]

JPL,

And their own organizations don't do a good job at supporting them either, remember the big row over the POWs? Shameful

True. They have never been good at coming together for common purpose.

[elle]

Don't worry - they don't support SF and called them traitors. Why should SF support them? Seriously. Let's be realistic here.

Sinn Fein has adopted a peaceful policy to Irish Republicanism. It would be a contradiction to support those who oppose peace.


Well it is a valid question seeing as Ogra posted

Saturday 22nd December seen the annual day of action for republican prisoners take place in west Tyrone. In Omagh and neighbouring Strabane Ógra Shin Féin held vigils in order to raise awareness of the men’s plight .
I was just wondering if it was in support of all Republican POWs and if they were saying that non PIRA POWs plight were less than that of PIRA POWs......

[Seabird]

elle,

When protests take place for the POWs by Coiste I know that people from 32 or RSF have not offered support by standing in protest! So what is your issue here? And if is not for all the POWs then what? Normally when OSF protests it is for the POWs as in every one of them. If you doubt this ask FTA.

[Bear]

Have ogra ever formally invited members of the 32csm to take part?

[elle]

elle,

When protests take place for the POWs by Coiste I know that people from 32 or RSF have not offered support by standing in protest! .
Was I one of them? And how many protests have you attened?



So what is your issue here?
the wording of the piece

And if is not for all the POWs then what?

then change the wording and stop making Ogra out to be a group which supports all Republican POWs

Normally when OSF protests it is for the POWs as in every one of them.
well whats with the banner then? Have you seen the photos?


If you doubt this ask FTA

Is FTA in Ogra? I was and I remember the work we did for the POWs while now members refused to join 'to save them hassle from the cops':hmmm:

[Seabird]

Bear,

Why would they ask them, they post all their protests on line and post flyers alerting people of the event. Do they need to send a hand engraved invitation? We are activist, it is our responsiblity to stay on top of these issue. Well at least that is what I do.

[Seabird]

elle,

:eusa_silenced: Fight with yourself. Shame on me for thinking there could possibly be a civil conversation in you.

[wherenow]

Obair iontach ógra.

[elle]

elle,

:eusa_silenced: Fight with yourself. Shame on me for thinking there could possibly be a civil conversation in you.

I am far from fighting Seabird. I am asking questions and trying to have a civilised debate.....where was I fighting? Quote the fighting part:hmmm:

[JPL]

I am far from fighting Seabird. I am asking questions and trying to have a civilised debate.....where was I fighting? Quote the fighting part:hmmm:

Sorry elle, but honestly - what do you care who and who Ógra SF supports and who they don't? You're not a support of Ógra or SF. Does it really matter?

Why do you have to find the wrong in every right they do? You're nitpicking in it's most pedantic form. Get a grip.

[elle]

Sorry elle, but honestly - what do you care who and who Ógra SF supports and who they don't? You're not a support of Ógra or SF. Does it really matter?


Yes it does. Ogra posted an article where they said they had a protest in support of Reoublican POWs and I thought 'Wow finally Ogra is doing something right again' I go to the website to read the piece and am met with the photos.....so I asked for clarification. Ogra is a group and they should clarfiy thats all....nothing more nothing less


Why do you have to find the wrong in every right they do? You're nitpicking in it's most pedantic form.

I am not nitpicking I am asking a Group which claims to have had a protest for Republican POWs if it were for all of them and not just the PIRA aligned ones.....a valid question IMO

Get a grip.
great moderating there:eusa_clap:

[JPL]

You can wait for Ógra's response. But since you don't support them - Why does it matter to you who they support?

[elle]

You can wait for Ógra's response.

that is my intention, otherwise why would I have asked??????

But since you don't support them - Why does it matter to you who they support?
Does it matter who I support? And it matters to me for who the protest was.

[JPL]

Does it matter who I support? And it matters to me for who the protest was.

Were you going to join them?

[elle]

Were you going to join them?

from my location at the moment I doubt it very much

[Hildy]

great moderating there:eusa_clap:

Thank you elle, we all think so! We think our mods are great.......and ye know what? The are very astute and adroit in catching on real quick!:)

[Bear]

If members of the 32csm showed up with their placards and signs and joined ogra are you saying that would be welcomed seabird?
I am not trying to start anything btw. I am looking for clarification here.

[scarface]

JPL,

And their own organizations don't do a good job at supporting them either, remember the big row over the POWs? Shameful

what are you talking about CABHAIR does a great job supporting republican POW's families

[Hildy]

If members of the 32csm showed up with their placards and signs and joined ogra are you saying that would be welcomed seabird?
I am not trying to start anything btw. I am looking for clarification here.


Bear, I can't speak for Ogra or Seabird on this subject, but from what I can tell from their website, the whole point of this was to garner support! So why would they be opposed if another group attended to stand in solidarity for this cause? They cannot stop any person or group from attending these rallies. And if your or your group was in attendance to help support them, why would that be a problem?

The way yer thinking is, that SF has no right advocating the rights of prisoners, so if it was the other way around, we KNOW SF wouldn't be allowed at one of yer rallies!

Yer trying to make this into a big deal out of something that is not. Don't try to make this positive into a negative, please.

[Vox Populi]

elle,

When protests take place for the POWs by Coiste I know that people from 32 or RSF have not offered support by standing in protest! So what is your issue here? And if is not for all the POWs then what? Normally when OSF protests it is for the POWs as in every one of them. If you doubt this ask FTA.In July 2006, I telephoned Coiste at the invitation of the IRSP to form a joint picket on the Falls Road for Kevin Lynch and for the current POWs - no one from that group turned up.

It works both ways. The fact is that Ogra Shinn Fein's protest is elitist, the IRSP calls for political status for ALL POWs. They seem to be alone regard to wanting to do anything about it.

And they flew the Stary Plough upside down:
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[Comrade Ryan]

Bear, I can't speak for Ogra or Seabird on this subject, but from what I can tell from their website, the whole point of this was to garner support! So why would they be opposed if another group attended to stand in solidarity for this cause? They cannot stop any person or group from attending these rallies. And if your or your group was in attendance to help support them, why would that be a problem?
.

Hildy they woulf not be welcome nor would SF be welcome the other way around - its a pity and a shame but people should not insinuate they support all republican prisoners when they don't - this goes both ways.

There are of course cases where PIRA affiliated prisoners have been shunned by CIRA prisoners.

[JPL]

from my location at the moment I doubt it very much

So why does it matter to you? You're not a supporter of Ógra.. Are you just waiting for them to state that they were supporting freedom of Provos so you could criticise them?

Why not a "Good work lads!" ?

[elle]

who's nitpicking now? I asked Ogra a question and wasn't expecting a lecture from you......I thought we were here to debate

[Bear]

I tried to organize a protest last april and invited ogra and never heard back.
the IRPWA does a great job supporting our pows. It would be nice if there could be some solidarity from ogra and that was the point of my question. If members of the 32csm were to attend one of their rallies would they be welcomed with their own signs?
Hildy no offence but since you are not a member you shouldnt be speaking on behalf of what ogra or sinn fein may or may not support. I'd like to hear from an actual member please.

[JPL]

who's nitpicking now? I asked Ogra a question and wasn't expecting a lecture from you......I thought we were here to debate

Debate what? That a few lads are out protesting? I'm not nitpicking.. I just see where you're going with this. You can find no good in Ógra or SF like the rest of the anti-shinners on here and are ready to pounce at any given moment in every SF related thread.

Why don't you drop it?

[Hildy]

who's nitpicking now? I asked Ogra a question and wasn't expecting a lecture from you......I thought we were here to debate

elle, you could have gone on Ogra's website BEFORE the POW rally if you were really interested in knowing if your group could participate......it obviously wasn't a major concern to ye then, now was it? And if yer actually here to debate then go find a thread worthy of yer debating skills and lets see something other than "picking apart" the good actions of Ogra and SF!

[elle]

Debate what? That a few lads are out protesting?

the way they reported the story while posting pictures that reflected a different story

I'm not nitpicking.. I just see where you're going with this.

and where, do tell, am I 'going with this'? I asked a question. Plain and simple its you who's making a big deal out of it......

You can find no good in Ógra or SF like the rest of the anti-shinners on here and are ready to pounce at any given moment in every SF related thread.

Well seeing as I have many Pro PSF and OSF friends (many of whom are also elected reps) I can easily dismiss that statement.

Why don't you drop it?

I asked Ogra a question, not you, I shall, as you suggested, wait for Ogra to answer

[Hildy]

I tried to organize a protest last april and invited ogra and never heard back.
the IRPWA does a great job supporting our pows. It would be nice if there could be some solidarity from ogra and that was the point of my question. If members of the 32csm were to attend one of their rallies would they be welcomed with their own signs?
Hildy no offence but since you are not a member you shouldnt be speaking on behalf of what ogra or sinn fein may or may not support. I'd like to hear from an actual member please.


Well I AM a member of this forum and I have a right to speak on any thread I chose. So where are yer credentials that you are? You've been found to be very loose with the truth on many occasions, so what you say to me has no substance. I feel I am more qualified to speak in defence of SF than you on are in offense of them.....so we are on the same level of expertise as far as I'm concerned.

Don't ye just love DEMOCRACY! I do!:icon_lol:

[Bear]

Well I AM a member of this forum and I have a right to speak on any thread I chose. So where are yer credentials that you are? You've been found to be very loose with the truth on many occasions, so what you say to me has no substance. I feel I am more qualified to speak in defence of SF than you on are in offense of them.....so we are on the same level of expertise as far as I'm concerned.

Don't ye just love DEMOCRACY! I do!:icon_lol:


Just because you post on a forum doesnt give you a right to speak on behalf of sinn fein.
My credentials? I am a member of my chosen organization. Your question makes no sense whatsoever.
Namecalling ... I would expect no less of you.
Expertise? Just what is your area of expertise Im curious.

[Hildy]

Just because you post on a forum doesnt give you a right to speak on behalf of sinn fein.
My credentials? I am a member of my chosen organization. Your question makes no sense whatsoever.
Namecalling ... I would expect no less of you.
Expertise? Just what is your area of expertise Im curious.



I'm through trying to talk with either of you at some intelligent level! You've both succeeded in what you set out to do and that's to derail the thread, get yer licks in to bash Ogra and SF, and totally ruin another good thread. We all saw that coming, so congratulations.......:eusa_clap:

We leave this thread to you, its all yours!

[Bear]

Since when is asking a question relevant to the thread derailing?
If you cannot answer my questions just say so instead of freaking out.

[ardonian]

Hildy you do seem to give the impression that you speak for/are a member of PSF?

[Hildy]

Hildy you do seem to give the impression that you speak for/are a member of PSF?


ardonian, a chara.......Yes, I have made that abundantly clear, I do support them!

[ardonian]

but Ive always been under the impression you were an active member or at the least affiliated with them.

[Bear]

But if a party policy is not abundantly clear how can you assume to know what the party would like to put forth by speaking on their behalf?

[Hildy]

but Ive always been under the impression you were an active member or at the least affiliated with them.

ardonian, a chara, I guess the fact was lost on you that I reside in the US. I have never disputed that fact, I am reminded daily by certain members of this forum. But it seems that should not matter, whether I live in Canada, Italy or the US, we are all on this forum to promote our selective party.

I have a deep and personal connection with SF and do my bit by supporting them through various Irish Republican groups that have formed in my community, have campaigned for fund raising efforts, I am a member of my local INAC (http://www.inac.org/) (Irish Northern Aid, Inc.) and also a member of IAWM (http://irishantiwar.org) (Irish Anti-War Movement). But then I shouldn't have to prove to anyone why I am here other than saying I am in support of SF, which is quite evident, and I promote by peaceful means a free and independent 32 county Ireland offering justice and equality for all its citizens.

Slan,

[ardonian]

That's what i said i always thought you were affiliated to them whether it be prisoner groups or so forth.

[Bear]

You are evading the question though.
To discuss sinn fein or ogra policies on something that is not yet put out by them formally, wouldnt you have to be an active member? It might be confusing for others to hear what you think their policies should be when in truth you don't know for a fact and are just generalizing on what you THINK their policies will/should be..

[Hildy]

You are evading the question though.
To discuss sinn fein or ogra policies on something that is not yet put out by them formally, wouldnt you have to be an active member? It might be confusing for others to hear what you think their policies should be when in truth you don't know for a fact and are just generalizing on what you THINK their policies will/should be..


That same question can be turned back on you, so why don't you answer for yourself and not worry about me! I don't have to explain anything to you. Yer the last one I want to get into a discussion with, because it would go right down the crapper!

Happy New Year, Bear!:)

[cdj]

It seems to me that when a certain poster has had his/her political weakness exposed , they cry "unfair derailment" and walk away .
And/or they issue PM's to other posters requesting them not to post any more comments on the forum to the person who has exposed that political weakness , and will even go so far as to label the latter a "troll" .
Sometimes , even smilies can't save yer ass !
:icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :eusa_clap: :eusa_clap:

[Bear]

That same question can be turned back on you, so why don't you answer for yourself and not worry about me! I don't have to explain anything to you. Yer the last one I want to get into a discussion with, because it would go right down the crapper!

Happy New Year, Bear!:)

I am a member of my chosen organization, I have stated that already.

You are evading the question put forth by deflecting it to me.

So who does northern aid support these days?

Slainte :)

[ardonian]

Referring to who?

[Bear]

It seems to me that when a certain poster has had his/her political weakness exposed , they cry "unfair derailment" and walk away .
And/or they issue PM's to other posters requesting them not to post any more comments on the forum to the person who has exposed that political weakness , and will even go so far as to label the latter a "troll" .
Sometimes , even smilies can't save yer ass !
:icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :eusa_clap: :eusa_clap:


An chara, someone once said that the only thing worse than being talked about was not being talked about ;)

[cdj]

Bear -
forgive me for borrowing from another posters 'style' in replying to your post :

An chara, someone once said that the only thing worse than being talked about was not being talked about ;)

YEAH! got it in one! LOL !!
:icon_laugh: :icon_laugh: :icon_laugh: :eusa_dance: :eusa_dance: :bow: :bow: :eusa_dance: :icon_laugh: :icon_laugh:

[Hildy]

I am a member of my chosen organization, I have stated that already.

You are evading the question put forth by deflecting it to me.

So who does northern aid support these days?
Slainte :)

This is so off topic, and I was not going to respond to yer baiting Bear, but I do have to one last time, to expose yer total ignorance in yer quest to prove me as uncredible. Without supplying a link to my chapter of INAC which would divulge where I live, I will provide you with a link to our affiliate chapter's President's website, which shows exactly who the INAC supports these days......they support SF and SF's mandates as illustrated by their website.

Now if you have any more questions, you might want to contact them.....I have nothing more to say on this thread. You and yer instigating team can take it away to futher destroy the thread, its not worth responding to anymore!

San Diego Irish Northern Aid (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=51619227)

[FIM-92]

Can we please return to the topic.

[Seabird]

I am away for one day and on return I see the children are at play.

Bear,

Whether Hildy is a member or a supporter of SF is not relevant, it does not hinder her knowledge on the issues that SF and Ogra put forth. You are doing nothing but trying to make yourself look important and throw pie at Hildy. Grow up!

I will anwser your question about the POW's. Croiste does attend the pickets when they have knowledge of them from other organizations. I know this to be an absolute fact! However because of the different political views there is bickering and snobbery among all the groups allowing their differences to stand in the way of support for all. If you turn up at an Ogra function for the POWs and conduct yerself as a civil person you will be accepted. If you show up spouting bull **** you will be rejected. Pretty simple actually.

Now you claim you support ALL the POWs and have dedicated yer life to their support. . . I am selling tickets for an upcoming function for the ones being released soon. All proceeds go to them and their families, how many tickets would you like? Since you live in Ireland, it will be quite easy for me to get these tickets to a neutral place so you can feel secure in keeping yer identity guarded. The tickets are 10 euro, you will take how many?

[red69]

Now you claim you support ALL the POWs and have dedicated yer life to their support. . . I am selling tickets for an upcoming function for the ones being released soon. All proceeds go to them and their families, how many tickets would you like? Since you live in Ireland, it will be quite easy for me to get these tickets to a neutral place so you can feel secure in keeping yer identity guarded. The tickets are 10 euro, you will take how many?

Must be good not to have prisoner functions cancelled by heavies, such as the provos who clamped down on Maghaberry fundraisers in the past.

[Craobh Gal Gréine]

Saturday 22nd December seen the annual day of action for republican prisoners take place in west Tyrone. In Omagh and neighbouring Strabane Ógra Shin Féin held vigils in order to raise awareness of the men’s plight and in an act of solidarity with our imprisoned comrades.

In Omagh Ógra activists took to the streets with banners posters and leaflets. Thousands of leaflets were distributed in the town of Omagh, bustling with Christmas shoppers. Meanwhile in Strabane Ógra activists held banners and posters at Melmount Road / Bridge Street junction. Hundreds of cars were leafleted and many more drivers showed their support by sounding their horns.

Speaking following the day of action Barry McColgan, national organiser of Ógra commended all those involved variously throughout Ireland on the day of action.

For full post:

http://ograshinnfein.blogspot.com/2007/12/gra-mobilise-in-west-tyrone-for.html


Would Ogra Shinn Féin regard CIRA and RIRA prisoners as imprisoned comrades, and was the protest in solidarity with their struggle? Or was is in solidarity with some foreigners many miles away from the occupation of Ireland?

[Craobh Gal Gréine]

Don't worry - they don't support SF and called them traitors. Why should SF support them? Seriously. Let's be realistic here.

Sinn Fein has adopted a peaceful policy to Irish Republicanism. It would be a contradiction to support those who oppose peace.


Utter nonsence. Supporting a war that will fight English occupation is not anti-peace. Less Sticky propaganda and stick to the facts. English is the cause of political and military unrest in Ireland. England is a terrorist nation built upon supression, slavery and colonial criminality. Anyone for peace in Ireland should support the war of freedom as that is the only way to bring about, justice, freedom and by extension a peaceful Ireland. Support for Stormont, the PSNI and British Occupation is hypocritical and like slaves voting to keep slavery.

[Seabird]

red69,

Must be good not to have prisoner functions cancelled by heavies, such as the provos who clamped down on Maghaberry fundraisers in the past.

How easy it is to place words on a forum as if they are facts, if this did indeed take place please tell us all when and where. Show us yer facts!


Craobh Gal Gréine

Would Ogra Shinn Féin regard CIRA and RIRA prisoners as imprisoned comrades, and was the protest in solidarity with their struggle? Or was is in solidarity with some foreigners many miles away from the occupation of Ireland?

It is for all that are imprisoned for fighting to free Ireland from foreign occupation. Are they comrades? What is your definition of a comrade?

[Bear]

So these tickets then would go to assist the families of the pows who are going to be released shortly Seabird? So that would include the families and children of the pows who are aligned to cira and rira who are on their way out the gate then too, or am I mistaken?
Now why would I ever purchase tickets off you? Are you the only person in Ireland selling them?
My entire family are shinners and my uncle is selling tickets. If I wanted any Id buy them off him. You may be able to sell such things on your local streetcorner but alas, even holding onto such tickets for most supporters of our lads can land them in hot water. What a priviledge it must be to have the support of the local sb and psni whilst gathering money for your prisoners. Wish we had that luxury, if so perhaps we'd be able to raise far more money.... but that is the gist of it is it not? Tighten the screws to clamp down on the pows knowing full well its their dependants and mainly children who pay the ultimate price.

[Seabird]

Bear,

Ahhh You are as transparent as shrink wrap, I knew before you posted what your response would be. You never let me down!:eusa_clap: :icon_lol:

[Hildy]

Bear,

Ahhh You are as transparent as shrink wrap, I knew before you posted what your response would be. You never let me down!:eusa_clap: :icon_lol:


ROFLMAO! I guess I owe you now, you got that right on the "money"! (However, you got the family member wrong, its the "Uncle", so I only owe you half!):icon_lol:

Seabird I'll PM you with how many I will take and you can give me all the details then. Its funny that some people who purport to be so involved in these things, would sell these things on a street corner.:confused: Does she think yer trying to take her spot on the street corner? Oh, I guess not since her street corner's in Canada!:icon_lol:

[Seabird]

Hildy,

Oh stop I am splitting my sides!:icon_laugh: I've already done what you asked me to do, I bought 5 and then gave them to ones that could not afford to purchase one. Was this acceptable?:confused:

[Vox Populi]

I will anwser your question about the POW's. Croiste does attend the pickets when they have knowledge of them from other organizations. I know this to be an absolute fact!
This is a lie, which has already been exposed.

[elle]

Instead of having the usual elements who try to sidetrack the discussion, I would like to know when Ogra are going to answer my question??

And when these attacks are going to stop????


If it were Bear and I 'tagging' the two ladies about, the thread would have been closed long ago

[ciaranxavier]

Hildy,

Oh stop I am splitting my sides!:icon_laugh: I've already done what you asked me to do, I bought 5 and then gave them to ones that could not afford to purchase one. Was this acceptable?:confused:

its not a good deed when you tell others about it. when you brag about your deeds your doing it for other people opinions. but when you do it and never tell anyone your doing it for yourself because it feels good.

[Calv]

I was just wondering if it was in support of all Republican POWs and if they were saying that non PIRA POWs plight were less than that of PIRA POWs......

If you mean is it in support of CIRA and RIRA prisoners then I wouldn't think so, Why would they? They are campaigning on behalf of IRA prisoners who are aligned to the Republican Movement. The people who campaign on behalf of RIRA and CIRA prisoners view the Republican Movement as sellouts and traitors. Ógra Shinn Féin are apart of the Republican so I wouldn't see any sense in them campaigning for RIRA and CIRA prisoners.

Quite a stupid question IMO.

[elle]

If you mean is it in support of CIRA and RIRA prisoners then I wouldn't think so, Why would they? They are campaigning on behalf of IRA prisoners who are aligned to the Republican Movement. The people who campaign on behalf of RIRA and CIRA prisoners view the Republican Movement as sellouts and traitors. Ógra Shinn Féin are apart of the Republican so I wouldn't see any sense in them campaigning for RIRA and CIRA prisoners.
.

Well then why report it as if they were campaigning on behalf of all Republican POWs??? Why outline the plight of these POWs? Are non PSF aligned POWs suffering a lesser plight? No, I think not. I would like Ogra to answer these questions. Are you in Ogra? Were you at the march? Are you speaking on behalf of Ogra?


Quite a stupid question IMO

Luckily I wasn't after your opinion, but an answer, as yet not given, by Ogra.

[Seabird]

Vox,

You are absolutely wrong, believe this. . . you do not know everything. re at every protest to monitor who comes and goes? Cop yer self on!

[Seabird]

elle,

How hypocritical of you. . go back to your on forum and stir sh*te there. If this was on the RA you would have mud slinging all over me and Hildy. How soon you forget of all the censorship, name calling and derailed threads you kept going. F*ck off you troll!

[Calv]

Well then why report it as if they were campaigning on behalf of all Republican POWs???

The banner clearly states "Free all IRA prisoners". In me eyes and the Republican Movements eyes, there is only one IRA.

Why outline the plight of these POWs? Are non PSF aligned POWs suffering a lesser plight? No, I think not.

Nobody said they were, you clearly missed my point.

I would like Ogra to answer these questions.

Ok, but I felt like giving my opinion. This is a public forum after all.

Are you in Ogra?

No.

Were you at the march?

What relevance would it have if I was or I wasn't?

Are you speaking on behalf of Ogra?

No.

[elle]

elle,

How hypocritical of you. .

why because I asked a question that Ogra can't answer?

go back to your on forum and stir sh*te there.

Why? Cos I asked a question?????:hmmm:

If this was on the RA you would have mud slinging all over me and Hildy.

Ah I beg to differ seeing as I ignored you both unless the mudslinging was at me, and not only on that forum as you may like to remember

How soon you forget of all the censorship, name calling and derailed threads you kept going.

:hmmm: You're memory serves you wrong there dear seeing as I remember it was you, and not so much Hildy, that kept all the hate going.....

F*ck off you troll!

how very nice and ladylike Seabird. Now can we get back on topic or do you have something else to say?



you may like to notice that the only mudslinging in this topic came from yourself.......

[elle]

The banner clearly states "Free all IRA prisoners". In me eyes and the Republican Movements eyes, there is only one IRA.
.

Well the article states


seen the annual day of action for republican prisoners take place in west Tyrone.

does this mean from Ogra that non PSF aligned POWs are not Republican, if this protest was not for all POWs.


Nobody said they were, you clearly missed my point.

No, I wasn't saying that you said it. It was part of my question to Ogra, not too you!



Ok, but I felt like giving my opinion. This is a public forum after all.

And you're more than welcome, but the question was for Ogra, not to start a fight and get treated as I just have been by Seaird. Just to clarify the text of Ogra's post.



No.
ok


What relevance would it have if I was or I wasn't?

So maybe you could explain it a little more seeing as the text and the photos show two different 'stories'

No
ok then

[Hildy]

Well then why report it as if they were campaigning on behalf of all Republican POWs??? Why outline the plight of these POWs? Are non PSF aligned POWs suffering a lesser plight? No, I think not. I would like Ogra to answer these questions. Are you in Ogra? Were you at the march? Are you speaking on behalf of Ogra?



Luckily I wasn't after your opinion, but an answer, as yet not given, by Ogra.


Who's asking stupid questions here? Calv gave you an honest answer, but if you don't like any of the answers given, why don't you just march yerself over to the first post on this thread and go to Ogra's website that he has provided a link for and get the answers you need to clarify this! I'm sure there's a contact link for e-mails and questions.

Then when you find out all you need to know you can report back to us, ok, elle? Easily solved! Not such drama is needed by you or Lollybear when you could have easily found out the answers to yer questions by doing that in the first place! Or do you like to continue the drama? I think we all know the answer to THAT question!:eusa_dance:

[elle]

Who's asking stupid questions here? Calv gave you an honest answer, but if you don't like any of the answers given, why don't you just march yerself over to the first post on this thread and go to Ogra's website that he has provided a link for and get the answers you need to clarify this! I'm sure ther'es a contact link for e-mails and questions.


have done...no answer there either......



Then when you find out all you need to know you can report back to us, ok, elle? Easily solved! Not such drama is needed by you or Lollybear when you could have easily found out the answers to yer questions by doing that in the first place! Or do you like to continue the drama? I think we all know the answer to THAT questions!:eusa_dance:

Ah Hildy thanks, but I'm not continuing any drama, I asked Ogra a question and was quite content to wait for an answer. I answered Calv's post calmly and may take it as the best answer if Ogra refuse to post in the next few days. It was only a question, no need for anyone to get their knickers in a twist and call out the big guns:icon_lol:

[Mellows1922]

People really do love to get their knickers in a bunch to attract some attention to themselves.

The protest was about IRA prisoners, I see no mention of CIRA or RIRA, simply IRA.

The banners say Release All IRA prisoners, the statement says it was a day or action for Republican prisoners, it does not say all Republican prisoners.

All IRA prisoners should be released because the IRA have called a halt to their campaign and have pledged to support politics alone, and this is precicely what the protest focused upon, if you read what Barry had to say it's as clear as day and needs no clarification.

Neither the CIRA nor the RIRA have done so, consequently it would be hard to call for their release on that basis.

Rather than whinging and nit picking people would be better served looking after their own houses.

[cdj]

F*ck off you troll!

Seems to be a stock 'reply' by some posters when they are challenged and are unable to answer the challenge.

[red69]

[QUOTE=Seabird;43211]red69,



How easy it is to place words on a forum as if they are facts, if this did indeed take place please tell us all when and where. Show us yer facts!


A function in aid of Maghaberry prisoners was scheduled for the fiddlers inn wesr Belfast in May 2002. On the day of the function when organisers turned up to arrange the hall they were met by Belfast provo mouth pieces who told them in typical goon like fashion that the event was cancelled.
It made the Andersonstown news who characteristicly created a cover story for the goon squad by claiming the fiddlers inn had been threatened by the Real IRA.

[Hildy]

[QUOTE=Seabird;43211]red69,



How easy it is to place words on a forum as if they are facts, if this did indeed take place please tell us all when and where. Show us yer facts!


A function in aid of Maghaberry prisoners was scheduled for the fiddlers inn wesr Belfast in May 2002. On the day of the function when organisers turned up to arrange the hall they were met by Belfast provo mouth pieces who told them in typical goon like fashion that the event was cancelled.
It made the Andersonstown news who characteristicly created a cover story for the goon squad by claiming the fiddlers inn had been threatened by the Real IRA.


And so.............what does this have to do with anything?:confused: Different time, different place, different event!

[red69]

In 2002 west Belfast PSF worker known as 'pickles' addressed a saoirse meeting in London where he amazingly claimed that 'there are no longer any republican prisoners', and this at a time when outnumbered Maghaberry POWs were being battered and scalded by Loyalists.
When London IRPWA activist Simon Pooks challenged him on his comments Pickles said 'if you are talking about those ******s in Maghaberry, as far as im concerned they can rot'.

[red69]

[QUOTE=red69;43841]


And so.............what does this have to do with anything?:confused: Different time, different place, different event!

She asked me where it happened, i told her.

[belfast rep]

[QUOTE=Seabird;43211]red69,



How easy it is to place words on a forum as if they are facts, if this did indeed take place please tell us all when and where. Show us yer facts!


A function in aid of Maghaberry prisoners was scheduled for the fiddlers inn wesr Belfast in May 2002. On the day of the function when organisers turned up to arrange the hall they were met by Belfast provo mouth pieces who told them in typical goon like fashion that the event was cancelled.
It made the Andersonstown news who characteristicly created a cover story for the goon squad by claiming the fiddlers inn had been threatened by the Real IRA.

Don't you remembed the organisers were a little dishonest about who the event was for, and when the owners found out they refused to let them use the premises, it is not the RM's fault that the owners disagree with your organisation and did not wish to be assossiated with them.
Of course it is handy to blame the big bad Provies for the fact that you are unwelcome in West Belfast.

[belfast rep]

In 2002 west Belfast PSF worker known as 'pickles' addressed a saoirse meeting in London where he amazingly claimed that 'there are no longer any republican prisoners', and this at a time when outnumbered Maghaberry POWs were being battered and scalded by Loyalists.
When London IRPWA activist Simon Pooks challenged him on his comments Pickles said 'if you are talking about those ******s in Maghaberry, as far as im concerned they can rot'.

can you provide a credible source for this ?

[belfast rep]

In 2002 west Belfast PSF worker known as 'pickles' addressed a saoirse meeting in London where he amazingly claimed that 'there are no longer any republican prisoners', and this at a time when outnumbered Maghaberry POWs were being battered and scalded by Loyalists.
When London IRPWA activist Simon Pooks challenged him on his comments Pickles said 'if you are talking about those ******s in Maghaberry, as far as im concerned they can rot'.

why was he addressing a Saoirse rally if he thought there was no republican prisoners? pretty weird.
he was also friends with RPOW's imprisoned at that time.

[red69]

[QUOTE=red69;43841]

Don't you remembed the organisers were a little dishonest about who the event was for, and when the owners found out they refused to let them use the premises, it is not the RM's fault that the owners disagree with your organisation and did not wish to be assossiated with them.
Of course it is handy to blame the big bad Provies for the fact that you are unwelcome in West Belfast.

It was for republican POWS, the Provo goon squad cancelled it and informed the organisers personally.

[red69]

can you provide a credible source for this ?

Simon Pooks is a credible source, i dont expect you to accept this as your ilk believe none SF members to be second class citizens.

[red69]

why was he addressing a Saoirse rally if he thought there was no republican prisoners? pretty weird.
he was also friends with RPOW's imprisoned at that time.

The saoirse meeting was a celebration of their previos campaign.

[belfast rep]

[QUOTE=belfast rep;43852]

It was for republican POWS, the Provo goon squad cancelled it and informed the organisers personally.

but you know thats untrue. the owners thought it was for RM POWS and when they found out they did want be associated with your organisation and so cancelled, its your fault your not welcome not the big bad Provies

oops i dared challenge your allegations, isn't time you got abusive again.
when making these allegations try to remember there is others who know the facts

[belfast rep]

The saoirse meeting was a celebration of their previos campaign.

a celebration of what campaign. when was the last RM POW eligible under the GFA released?

[Seabird]

red69,

you are stating that a Pickles made a statement that there are no POWs when in fact we still have our own inside, so why would he have made the statement. I believe that is a load of bollox.

[red69]

[QUOTE=red69;43857]

but you know thats untrue. the owners thought it was for RM POWS and when they found out they did want be associated with your organisation and so cancelled, its your fault your not welcome not the big bad Provies

oops i dared challenge your allegations, isn't time you got abusive again.
when making these allegations try to remember there is others who know the facts

Listen to me, the bar owners did not speak to the organisers, provo goons did in the hall of the fiddlers inn. Are you trying to say that the fiddlers called the provo goons in to speak on their behalf, you seem to be au fait with the incident, where you present?

[red69]

a celebration of what campaign. when was the last RM POW eligible under the GFA released?

A celebration of the saoirse campaign.

[red69]

And i have no organisation.

[red69]

red69,

you are stating that a Pickles made a statement that there are no POWs when in fact we still have our own inside, so why would he have made the statement. I believe that is a load of bollox.

Because he is an idiot.

[belfast rep]

[QUOTE=belfast rep;43863]

Listen to me, the bar owners did not speak to the organisers, provo goons did in the hall of the fiddlers inn. Are you trying to say that the fiddlers called the provo goons in to speak on their behalf, you seem to be au fait with the incident, where you present?

Listen to you ? am i aware that the organisers tried to con the owners and when the owners found out the made the orgainisers aware that they were unwelcome, yes i am aware of what happened, but sadly i do know any Provo goons,
i know its handy to blame the big bad Provies, and you wouldn't want the facts to get in the of that would you now.

[belfast rep]

Because he is an idiot.

would that be the same person who spend many years in jail. many on protest, who was on the hunger strike, who was a person friend and comrade of all the Belfast Hunger Strikers, who give his adult life to struggle. i suppose in your eyes that sort of person would be an idiot

[Seabird]

red69,

Good response, convinced me!:icon_lol: You have convinced me of who the real idiot is.

belfast rep,

good post!

[belfast rep]

And i have no organisation.
yeah neither do i

[red69]

[QUOTE=red69;43866]

Listen to you ? am i aware that the organisers tried to con the owners and when the owners found out the made the orgainisers aware that they were unwelcome, yes i am aware of what happened, but sadly i do know any Provo goons,
i know its handy to blame the big bad Provies, and you wouldn't want the facts to get in the of that would you now.

Provo goons calcelled the event, not the Fiddlers in.
This is the truth, provos care nothing for none provo POWs, this also is a fact.

[red69]

would that be the same person who spend many years in jail. many on protest, who was on the hunger strike, who was a person friend and comrade of all the Belfast Hunger Strikers, who give his adult life to struggle. i suppose in your eyes that sort of person would be an idiot

His disgraceful comments in London make him an idiot, not his previous gallant actions.

[belfast rep]

His disgraceful comments in London make him an idiot, not his previous gallant actions.
allegation comments, so overnight he turned from gallant to idiot,

[belfast rep]

[QUOTE=belfast rep;43871]

Provo goons calcelled the event, not the Fiddlers in.
This is the truth, provos care nothing for none provo POWs, this also is a fact.

i would agree with you, but i think you have a problem dealing in facts. Provo Goons, do you work for the Sunday world.

[red69]

[QUOTE=red69;43876]

i would agree with you, but i think you have a problem dealing in facts. Provo Goons, do you work for the Sunday world.

A break through at least, Sinn Fein care nothing for none provo POWs they are only concerned with creating more (ie touting to the RUC/PSNI).
No i dont write for the sunday world, the rag your party president does middle spread interviews for.

[belfast rep]

[QUOTE=belfast rep;43879]

A break through at least, Sinn Fein care nothing for none provo POWs they are only concerned with creating more (ie touting to the RUC/PSNI).
No i dont write for the sunday world, the rag your party president does middle spread interviews for.
a break through, didn't you read what i wrote? as for the SW you should reconsider you would be a nature. madey up stories and abusive comments., and never the facts get in the way of propaganda

[MartinP]

Re: Provo interference in POW functions:

From what I can remember there were instances in Belfast where RSF had arranged to hold functions and had them booked only to have the owners of the premises withdraw closer to the time due to threats made against them by members of the provisional members.

In Strabane a few years ago at a function in a GAA club at which there were members of RSF and the provos, members of the latter movement (claiming to represent the military side of the provos) told the RSF members to leave when they produced tickets.

Are there many provo prisoners at the moment?

[Ghadaffi]

I was talking to a few provos supporters not so long ago(i was selling tickets) and they said their was no POWs in any jails:hmmm: .
I had to remind these fella's of the 5 "provos" in Portlaoise and a few more North and South of the so called border. Well they shut up really fast after that

[MartinP]

I believe Martin Ferris claimed the same in the past Ghadaffi.

[Jim]

In his speech at casement park last year adams refused to acknowledged the pow's as prisoners instead calling them inmates,Its a fairly good indication of what they really think of the non provo prisoners.

From my own experience collecting money for the prisoners in monaghan that some shinners donate money on the basis that if they refused then it might look bad for them later on.

[Vox Populi]

Vox,

You are absolutely wrong, believe this. . . you do not know everything. re at every protest to monitor who comes and goes? Cop yer self on!Take your own advice. :)

Coiste treat current POWs with outright contempt. There's no need to lie on this, you can ask the Director of Coiste for confirmation of the invitation Coiste received circa July 2006.

[Hildy]

I don't understand why everyone is making negative comments that SF doesn't care about the POW's because that is entirely not true! This was already posted once, but I'm going to post it again. Also, all of you that want to help support the POW's and their families, see Seabird about some tickets she has for sale and put yer money where yer mouth is!

Posted by Seabird Post #56 - I am selling tickets for an upcoming function for the ones being released soon. All proceeds go to them and their families, how many tickets would you like? 10 Euros each.





Remember republican prisoners this Christmas
An Phoblacht (http://www.anphoblacht.com/news/detail/22679)
20 December, 2007

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s6/hildydonovan/POW2.jpg
Photo: Ógra Shinn Féin picket in Omagh in support of republican prisoners

BY ART Mac EOIN

For republicans, December is traditionally prisoners’ month. Unfortunately this year is no different as there are republicans languishing in three septate jails across Ireland.

Speaking to An Phoblacht this week Ann O’Sullivan, of the Sinn Féin POW Department said that following the IRA’s declaration of an end to its armed campaign all IRA prisoners should have been released but that instead, almost a decade after the Good Friday Agreement, and over two-and-a-half years since the formal ending of the IRA campaign, republican prisoners remained in jail. She said that their continued incarceration was the result of a lack of political will, especially by the Dublin government, and that this should be challenged.

O’Sullivan welcomed a recent call from Barry McColgan of Ógra Shinn Féin in which he urged Ógra members to be particularly active on the prisoners issue during the month of December and to remember those republican prisoners who are still held in jail this Christmas.

“I would ask that people remember and highlight the oppression of prisoners across the world and in particular to remember Irish republican POWs, held not only in Castlerea, but also Portlaoise Prison in County Laois and Maghaberry Prison in County Antrim”, O’Sullivan said.

[Vox Populi]

They support their own party militia, not Republican POWs. This has always been the case, it's nothing new.

[Mellows1922]

In his speech at casement park last year adams refused to acknowledged the pow's as prisoners instead calling them inmates,Its a fairly good indication of what they really think of the non provo prisoners.

No he didn't, don't believe everything you read in the tabloids.

He referred to prisoners in English gaols as prisoners.

Please show me evidence to the contrary.

From my own experience collecting money for the prisoners in monaghan that some shinners donate money on the basis that if they refused then it might look bad for them later on.

And there we have it, the pettyness that just scrapes your eyes out, you whinge if a Shinner doesn't donate, then you whinge if a Shinner does donate, you just whinge regardless - and that perfectly illustrates why you are so far removed from any kind of meaningful support within the community, so have at it, whinge away.

[Mellows1922]

I believe Martin Ferris claimed the same in the past Ghadaffi.

Please substantiate this nonsense allegation.

[fenianwarrior]

keep it up lads very good!!!!

[MartinP]

Please substantiate this nonsense allegation.


His claims were made at Ballylongford, Co. Kerry in 2001. I wasn't there myself, but I have it on good authority that he said it. It gets a mention in the March 2001 edition of SAOIRSE.

[Mellows1922]

His claims were made at Ballylongford, Co. Kerry in 2001. I wasn't there myself, but I have it on good authority that he said it. It gets a mention in the March 2001 edition of SAOIRSE.

Well, I would refute it as nonsense, Martin has worked tirelessly on behalf of IRA prisoners, especially those convicted in relation to McCabe, who the Dublin government have held hostage since the signing of the GFA.

[MartinP]

So my source must be lying?

[Mellows1922]

So my source must be lying?

Yeah

[robertemmett]

like my ears deceiving me at the sf special ard feis. mellows must be in training for Pope

[cdj]

On a point of possible interest to some -

Well, I would refute it as nonsense, Martin has worked tirelessly on behalf of IRA prisoners, especially those convicted in relation to McCabe, who the Dublin government have held hostage since the signing of the GFA.

I believe arrangements for the release of those prisoners was agreed between Provo SF and Fianna Fail in 2003 and , again , in 2004 , to the extent that a van for the prisoners and a helicopter (which was to carry McDowell to Limerick to 'break the news' to Ann McCabe) were organised .
On both occasions the Staters reneged on their political promises .
They would never do that again , would they...?

[Tir Eoghain]

In his speech at casement park last year adams refused to acknowledged the pow's as prisoners instead calling them inmates,Its a fairly good indication of what they really think of the non provo prisoners.

From my own experience collecting money for the prisoners in monaghan that some shinners donate money on the basis that if they refused then it might look bad for them later on.


I was at that very impressive Comemeration last year in Casement Park, when Gerry Adams called for the release of all , yes all Political Prisoners.

I think when you grow hair on your upper lip you'll find that Republicans always donated to the cause of POW's.

If you don't like the money Sinn Fein supporters give , why bother asking them to donate. You can't have it both ways.

[MartinP]

Yeah


So the person who told me this (i.e. the person who was present) made the whole thing up? Catch yourself on ye clown.

[Craobh Gal Gréine]

His claims were made at Ballylongford, Co. Kerry in 2001. I wasn't there myself, but I have it on good authority that he said it. It gets a mention in the March 2001 edition of SAOIRSE.


A Sinn Féin Cllr from Kerry said that RIRA and CIRA prisoners in Portlaoise at the moment were criminals as were those who he termed as 'dissents' in the North, when speaking at the Sinn Féin Eddie Carmody Commemoration in Kerry last November. And then he went on to say that the day might come again when Republicans will have to fight for their freedom. Some irony there.

[JPL]

A Sinn Féin Cllr from Kerry said that RIRA and CIRA prisoners in Portlaoise at the moment were criminals as were those who he termed as 'dissents' in the North, when speaking at the Sinn Féin Eddie Carmody Commemoration in Kerry last November. And then he went on to say that the day might come again when Republicans will have to fight for their freedom. Some irony there.

Which Councillor was this?

[Mellows1922]

So the person who told me this (i.e. the person who was present) made the whole thing up? Catch yourself on ye clown.

Right so you are believing a person who told you a second hand story, you are offering no substantiation and nobody else has ever heard Martin Ferris utter such words. Yet you still believe it to be true.

And I'm the clown ?

Yeah.

[Seabird]

Geezzzzz am I reading this wrong. . . people place unsubstantiated allegations against SF members on this fourm and expect the people here to assume it is absolute facts? Now who truly is the clown?

[MartinP]

Right well I absolutely believe what I was told, as does the editorial staff of Saoirse given that they printed the story. What could I do to convince you it was said? Travel back in time and have it recorded? Why would someone make it up?

[Mellows1922]

Right well I absolutely believe what I was told, as does the editorial staff of Saoirse given that they printed the story. What could I do to convince you it was said? Travel back in time and have it recorded? Why would someone make it up?

You can believe what you want, I'm just saying I know Martin and I know the work he has done on behalf of IRA prisoners, I know for a fact he has never forgotten them and I know for a fact he would never deny they existed. Which would be a little hard to do even if he wanted to considering the grief he got from the Sunday World every time they found out about him paying the lads a visit.

[Hildy]

Right well I absolutely believe what I was told, as does the editorial staff of Saoirse given that they printed the story. What could I do to convince you it was said? Travel back in time and have it recorded? Why would someone make it up?


Well you could start by finding the article an posting a link, Saoirse has the paper online don't they? But I can tell you one thing, without proof, this would not stand on its own. Tir Eoghain said he was in attendance and he heard nothing of the sort.

[Tir Eoghain]

Right well I absolutely believe what I was told, as does the editorial staff of Saoirse given that they printed the story. What could I do to convince you it was said? Travel back in time and have it recorded? Why would someone make it up?
Do you believe everything that you're told , especially second or third hand information.
The word 'inmates' was never spoken in Casement Park.
Check it out yourself , theres a DVD of the whole days events from the Sinn Fein bookshop.
He must be a good friend ok when he's feeding you lies.

[MartinP]

I didn't mention the inmates thing. Neither myself or anyone I know was at Casement Park, so I don't know what was said. I have full confidence in what I was told in relation to the other thing. It would make no sense to fabricate the story.

[Tir Eoghain]

I didn't mention the inmates thing. Neither myself or anyone I know was at Casement Park, so I don't know what was said. I have full confidence in what I was told in relation to the other thing. It would make no sense to fabricate the story. There was 30,000 plus there that day and this is the only time I heard 'inmates' mentioned.

[Hildy]

There was 30,000 plus there that day and this is the only time I heard 'inmates' mentioned.

Tir Eoghain, I think we all are confused at the moment, and MartinP is correct, he never mentioned the 'inmates' at Casement Park. This is what was said:

I was talking to a few provos supporters not so long ago(i was selling tickets) and they said their was no POWs in any jails:hmmm: .I had to remind these fella's of the 5 "provos" in Portlaoise and a few more North and South of the so called border. Well they shut up really fast after that



I believe Martin Ferris claimed the same in the past Ghadaffi.



In his speech at casement park last year adams refused to acknowledged the pow's as prisoners instead calling them inmates,Its a fairly good indication of what they really think of the non provo prisoners.

From my own experience collecting money for the prisoners in monaghan that some shinners donate money on the basis that if they refused then it might look bad for them later on.



Does that help clarify? We are asking MartinP to substantiate his claims on what supposedly Martin Ferris said, and he can't.

But Jim was the one who said Adams referred to the prisoners as inmates in his speech at Casement Park.

[Tir Eoghain]

Tir Eoghain, I think we all are confused at the moment, and MartinP is correct, he never mentioned the 'inmates' at Casement Park. This is what was said:

















Does that help clarify? We are asking MartinP to substantiate his claims on what supposedly Martin Ferris said, and he can't.

But Jim was the one who said Adams referred to the prisoners as inmates in his speech at Casement Park.

Sorry MartinP , my mistake, It was Jim I meant to quote. Apologies for that error.

[Jim]

I was of the belief that he did say inmates instead of prisoners and if he didnt then i accept that, (irrelevant really when his policy is putting more back in)

Originally Posted by Jim
From my own experience collecting money for the prisoners in monaghan that some shinners donate money on the basis that if they refused then it might look bad for them later on.

And there we have it, the pettyness that just scrapes your eyes out, you whinge if a Shinner doesn't donate, then you whinge if a Shinner does donate, you just whinge regardless - and that perfectly illustrates why you are so far removed from any kind of meaningful support within the community, so have at it, whinge away.

I have absolutely no doubt that some shinners (the new breed mostly who have no army record) give money to pow's on the basis that it would harm their careers if it was known that they didnt.Thats a fact.
I also never criticised any provo for donating merely questioning the reasoning behind it.
When i think of how gerry kelly told the late john kelly to quit visiting the prisoners or highlighting their cause on behalf of the provo leadership then ive a right to be cynical of their motives.And before people attempt to blacken john kelly's name i would like to say he had more integrity than any of the provo leadership.

Petty? You dont know the meaning of the word when your ****ing comrades run about the country removing our posters and doing all they can to prevent the local media outlets from publishing our stuff.

and that perfectly illustrates why you are so far removed from any kind of meaningful support within the community, so have at it, whinge away.

Im quite happy with the increasing level of support we are getting both locally and nationally and this sort of rubbish really shows that you werent about not that long ago in terms of organisational strength in the provos.

I think when you grow hair on your upper lip you'll find that Republicans always donated to the cause of POW's.

If you don't like the money Sinn Fein supporters give , why bother asking them to donate. You can't have it both ways.


Hair on my upper lip?? Is that a tyrone expression of wit or a description of your ladyfolk?

Anyway if you read what i actually said then come back to me.

[Tir Eoghain]

I was of the belief that he did say inmates instead of prisoners and if he didnt then i accept that, (irrelevant really when his policy is putting more back in)



vos.



Hair on my upper lip?? Is that a tyrone expression of wit or a description of your ladyfolk?

Anyway if you read what i actually said then come back to me.

Your belief was far out.

As for your poster pulling down rant, Joe O'Neill had four small ones around Omagh town around traffic lights, and not one was touched.
He still managed to get 200 votes around West Tyrone. lol

I'm not 100% sure about the ('hair on your upper lip') saying try google ,it might know.

[Jim]

As for your poster pulling down rant, Joe O'Neill had four small ones around Omagh town around traffic lights, and not one was touched.
He still managed to get 200 votes around West Tyrone. lol


What has Joe o neill or elections have to do with us. Our movement put up posters about in relation to british policing on a friday evening and they were removed the next day before dinnertime.
It wouldnt make any sense to take down election posters considering the length of time they'd be up and the public outcry if they were caught.Taking down anti british policing posters however would always be there and people seing them would see that its not acceptable to support and inform to the british police which hurts their support.

How does condemning a slimy provo bastard for taking down our posters (that were nailed in place) that had nothing referring to them in it could be called a rant?

[MartinP]

We are asking MartinP to substantiate his claims on what supposedly Martin Ferris said, and he can't.


If you can suggest a way in which it would be possible to prove something that was said in a converation that wasn't recorded then I'm all ears. It's like me telling you to prove he didn't say it.

[Tir Eoghain]

How does condemning a slimy provo bastard for taking down our posters (that were nailed in place) that had nothing referring to them in it could be called a rant?


I haven't got the foggiest idea what you're on about.
I've yet to see one of your posters on a tin pole,never mind a wooden one .
Did you ever blame the wind , we lost a few nights work also because of it too.

[Mellows1922]

If you can suggest a way in which it would be possible to prove something that was said in a converation that wasn't recorded then I'm all ears. It's like me telling you to prove he didn't say it.

That's why it's called hearsay though, and why nobody takes it as fact.

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Jim

How does condemning a slimy provo bastard for taking down our posters (that were nailed in place) that had nothing referring to them in it could be called a rant?


I haven't got the foggiest idea what you're on about.
I've yet to see one of your posters on a tin pole,never mind a wooden one .
Did you ever blame the wind , we lost a few nights work also because of it too.

You claimed that i was in a rant earlier on when i brought up the fact that our posters were taken down.If someone took down your posters you and you brought it up would you say that was a rant?

A force 5 gale (or one of gerry adams speechs) couldnt have taken those posters down as they were nailed in with 3 inch nails and glued with industrial strength adhesive as well.

You say that you havent seen any of our posters, do you not think its sort of linked to the what ive been saying, i.e that some degenerate is taking them down?

[belfast rep]

A force 5 gale (or one of gerry adams speechs) couldnt have taken those posters down as they were nailed in with 3 inch nails and glued with industrial strength adhesive as well.
Maybe it was Hulk Hogan

[Ghadaffi]

I was down in Ballylongford in 2001 and Martin Ferris did state that their was no more POWs and i even asked him if i was to load a ship load of weapons and get caught like him would he class me as a POW and his answer was NO

It was a strange night cause RSF and the provos asked their members back to the same pub:eusa_dance:

But come on the provos never lie

[Seabird]

Yep right on, we believe ya! Yeah right!:whip:

[MartinP]

The very person from whom I heard it and who I was referring to earlier in the thread has just posted.

So is getting it from the person who had the conversation with Ferris good enough? Or is he making it all up?

[scarface]

Yep right on, we believe ya! Yeah right!:whip:

if you were there yourself and you heard him say it you'd convince yourself he didn't say it

[ciaranxavier]

if you were there yourself and you heard him say it you'd convince yourself he didn't say it

:icon_laugh:

[Mellows1922]

The very person from whom I heard it and who I was referring to earlier in the thread has just posted.

So is getting it from the person who had the conversation with Ferris good enough? Or is he making it all up?

Making it all up seems to be the most logical conclusion.

[scarface]

Making it all up seems to be the most logical conclusion.

why would anyone make that up? i know the person who heard ferris say it and i know that person wouldn't make it up

[Mellows1922]

why would anyone make that up? i know the person who heard ferris say it and i know that person wouldn't make it up

And I know Martin and I know he wouldn't say it, particularly at a time when he has campaigning hard for those prisoners who were being held by the Dublin government.

I'm not asking you not to believe your comrade, believe what you want, I'm just saying his hearsay on the internet doesn't strike me reliable and it doesn't strike me as trustworthy.

I could fully understand Martin being frustrated with some young fella coming up and attempting to use his incarceraion for importing arms against him in some infantile point scoring exercise though, as appears to have been the case with your comrade above.

[scarface]

And I know Martin and I know he wouldn't say it, particularly at a time when he has campaigning hard for those prisoners who were being held by the Dublin government.

I'm not asking you not to believe your comrade, believe what you want, I'm just saying his hearsay on the internet doesn't strike me reliable and it doesn't strike me as trustworthy.

I could fully understand Martin being frustrated with some young fella coming up and attempting to use his incarceraion for importing arms against him in some infantile point scoring exercise though, as appears to have been the case with your comrade above.

it's a perfectly fair point to make and i believe the question was asked after he stated there were no more POW's

[Ernie O'Malley]

Do the Provos class todays IRA prisoners as Prisoners of War?

[Calv]

Do the Provos class todays IRA prisoners as Prisoners of War?

Of course, there are still IRA POW's in gaol.

[Mellows1922]

Do the Provos class todays IRA prisoners as Prisoners of War?

Of course, that is what the tread is about, Ogra holding a day of action for IRA prisoners.

[Ernie O'Malley]

Do Ógra support Hi-Jacking Vodka Lorries and threatening working men with cudgels and stun guns?

[scarface]

Of course, that is what the tread is about, Ogra holding a day of action for IRA prisoners.

how can a man be a prisoner of war if he was imprisoned after his organisation declared their war to be over?

[Mellows1922]

how can a man be a prisoner of war if he was imprisoned after his organisation declared their war to be over?

Who has been arrested since the IRA standing down ?

[scarface]

Who has been arrested since the IRA standing down ?

i think your man from Cork with the daz box was but i could be wrong

[Mellows1922]

i think your man from Cork with the daz box was but i could be wrong

Don was charged in early 2005

[scarface]

Don was charged in early 2005

oh right fair enough

[Jim]

Maybe it was Hulk Hogan

Hardly, he was out bird watching in south america at the time

Who has been arrested since the IRA standing down ?

What about if a high ranking provo due in court is sent to prison,what would the stance be then?

[elle]

Don was charged in early 2005

have you not said many times that the war was not over but just youse had changed tatics?

[Mellows1922]

have you not said many times that the war was not over but just youse had changed tatics?

If you want to pick a row with me, no bother, just don't start whinging when you get your arse whipped again. I ignore your pointless inane posts for a reason, the reason being I have zero interest in interacting with you or the lies you weave. I'd appreciate it if you could refrain from addressing any future posts to me.

Anyway, to answer your question, even though it is so transparant in it's attention seeking and desire to create some kind of row. Scarface was speaking about people who have been arrested on charges related to the IRA, he said since "they declared their war over" - when I responded I used the phrase "since the IRA standing down". Two very very different things.

You are confusing the campaign of armed resistance with the struggle.

[Mellows1922]

What about if a high ranking provo due in court is sent to prison,what would the stance be then?

Is it an IRA related charge ?

[elle]

If you want to pick a row with me,.

no row starting Mellows, just asking for clarification on your post

no bother, just don't start whinging when you get your arse whipped again.
eh?

I ignore your pointless inane posts for a reason, the reason being I have zero interest in interacting with you or the lies you weave.

I usually ignore yours too for the same reasons.


I'd appreciate it if you could refrain from addressing any future posts to me.

Is this not a public forum? Am I not allowed to address anyone I please?


Anyway, to answer your question,

why thank you for conceeding even an answer


even though it is so transparant in it's attention seeking and desire to create some kind of row.
C L A R I F I C A T I O N


Scarface was speaking about people who have been arrested on charges related to the IRA, he said since "they declared their war over" - when I responded I used the phrase "since the IRA standing down". Two very very different things.

If you say so


You are confusing the campaign of armed resistance with the struggle
Why is sitting a Stormont taking a Queen's wage a struggle?:hmmm:



Thanks for you answer, shall once more put you on my ignore list:bow:

[East Tyrone]

Elle, I'm waiting in the Arena. Don't be running away like that other deranged fool.

[Mellows1922]

Why is sitting a Stormont taking a Queen's wage a struggle?:hmmm:

as oppossed to sitting on the far side of Europe, talking talking talking about all the things you're going to do.

[elle]

as oppossed to sitting on the far side of Europe, talking talking talking about all the things you're going to do.

my location has SFA to do with it, you defended your american donators enough to know this. Are you now trying to say that I should be in Ireland to be a Republican and give an opinion?

[Mellows1922]

my location has SFA to do with it, you defended your american donators enough to know this. Are you now trying to say that I should be in Ireland to be a Republican and give an opinion?

No, I'm saying you need to have a semblence of political understanding to give an opinion. You have demonstrated on countless ocassions that you don't have any. Don't forget you're the only person who was allowed an overseas ballot in the last election, you understand the politics of the six so well the powers that be deemed you worthy of such special treatment.

[Hildy]

No, I'm saying you need to have a semblence of political understanding to give an opinion. You have demonstrated on countless ocassions that you don't have any. Don't forget you're the only person who was allowed an overseas ballot in the last election, you understand the politics of the six so well the powers that be deemed you worthy of such special treatment.

ROFLMAO!!!!!:eusa_clap: :eusa_clap:

[Ernie O'Malley]

ROFLMAO!!!!!:eusa_clap: :eusa_clap:

Another quality contribution which is designed to antagonise and derail

[Mellows1922]

Another quality contribution which is designed to antagonise and derail

pot and kettle there communitarian

[Hildy]

Another quality contribution which is designed to antagonise and derail

Oh, and I am the only one guilty of such a thing......So sorry Ernie, I couldn't help myself!:icon_lol:

[Ernie O'Malley]

pot and kettle there communitarian

How ironic your defence of your cheerleader is yet another attempt to antagonise and derail...well done lol

[elle]

ROFLMAO!!!!!:eusa_clap: :eusa_clap:
http://www.koszulkowy.pl/images/same****differentday.jpg


or different forum should I say

[Hildy]

http://www.koszulkowy.pl/images/same****differentday.jpg


or different forum should I say

koszulkowy???? Excuse me, but are you TRYING to derail this thread further? Ernie, the 'thread topic police' is about and will call you out on such an infraction!

[Mellows1922]

How ironic your defence of your cheerleader is yet another attempt to antagonise and derail...well done lol

lol, do you see the irony of what you just wrote ?

Probably not.

[elle]

koszulkowy???? Excuse me, but are you TRYING to derail this thread further? Ernie, the 'thread topic police' is about and will call you out on such an infraction!

click on the link if it doesn't work......BTW waiting for an answer here


http://www.irishrepublican.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7263

[Ernie O'Malley]

The prejudices of others are continually destroying debate, personal spats that mean nothing, the irony of it is not lost on me, but I am insignificant Mellows you are a part of this it is your duty to act for the improvement of the board not to disrespect your own intellect by jumping in to school yard cat callings

The most Ironic theme is that of the title of the actual thread how I grin...

[East Tyrone]

click on the link if it doesn't work......BTW waiting for an answer here


http://www.irishrepublican.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7263

Hi slabber, come to the Arena.

[Ernie O'Malley]

Hi slabber, come to the Arena.

and then there were 3 lol

[Hildy]

click on the link if it doesn't work......BTW waiting for an answer here


http://www.irishrepublican.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7263

I have no intention of going there to argue with an attention seeking little tw*t, so get over it and quit derailing this thread! Haven't you been warned?

[elle]

I have no intention of going there to argue with an attention seeking little tw*t,

:icon_laugh: :icon_laugh: :icon_laugh: :icon_laugh: :icon_laugh: FFS Pot and kettle jump to the mind

so get over it and quit derailing this thread!


I think you'll find that you derailed it long before I did


Haven't you been warned?
What are you a mod now????

[Ernie O'Malley]

Well anyway I know the young 'uns believe in their heart of hearts what they are being told and that their protests are all in good faith the youth are sincere and any positive action should be welcomed they are only a few years away from the moment of clarity as they say...

[Hildy]

click on the link if it doesn't work......BTW waiting for an answer here


http://www.irishrepublican.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7263


and then there were 3 lol



And now there are 4, LOL!!!

[Koneko]

Back on topic please

[ciaranxavier]

ROFLMAO!!!!!:eusa_clap: :eusa_clap:

instead of laughing at others arguments you should finish your own.