Unbroken Links in the Irish Republican Chain

[RSF-Fianoglach]

P.H. Pearse said we have renewed the struggle down the centuries and thats the way we will be while one British soldier remains on irish soil.
today there are up to 5000 british soldiers and 9,000 armed sectarian ploice in the pay of England on irish soil

Republican Sinn Fein and the Continuity Irish Republican Army are the only true organisations that uphold the proclaimation of 1916.and the declaration of our independance in 1919.it is sickening to hear the propaganda of the pro-british irish media styling individuals and there parties Republican just to spread confusion

the proclaimation of 1916 was endorsed by the irish people at the general election of all ireland in 1918 and the peoples representitives in 1919 the national parliment declared that foreign parliments in ireland where an invasion of the irish peoples rights and must never again be tolerated yet you hear people today styling themselves Republican who recognise two parliments in Ireland (the 26 and the 6 counties) set up under the government of ireland act 1920.Britain suppressed the lawful elected government by sending in her black and tans.when brute force failed britain called a cease fire.the negotiation was then between the two sides of the conflict (now it is only between her allies).Michael Collins insisted that hed be one of the negotiaters,and the great and noble Cathal Brugha objected in case the negotiations broke down.the delegationto london had very definite instructions from there government that the independance of the irish nation was not negotiable and nothing was to be signed in the absence of there government.the delegates broke there trust by signing what was in fact only the british Government of ireland act 1920,put over a treaty in 1921Erskine Childers who was secretary of the delegation said that collins was blackmailed into signing,that he did have an affair with one of the establishment people and who was in the family way.Lady Lavery threathened to expose collins if he did not sign.that would ruin collins and put him in the same position as parnell.later the first free state government Demoted collins by promoting him to Chief of Staff of the free state army making him answerable to the cabinet.

the reason appears that collins was sending guns and men to the six counties.Collins is on record as sayin "that if we dont finish the war now the money class that was never with us will take over (which they did)

excerpt from Martin calligans-unbroken links in the irish republican chain.

[wherenow]

Thomas ceapann beagnach gach páirti in Eirinn go bhfuil siad "an true inherititors of 1916". Ceapaim go bhfuil muid go leir.

Thomas virtually every party in Ireland claims to be the true inheritors of 1916. From Fine Gael to IRSM. Just because somebody says it does not mean it is true and just because somebody says they're not doesn't make it true either.

I believe that vertually everybody on this forum is a true inheritor of 1916. (let's ignore people who just disrupt) We have certian goals in common, the main one being that Ireland must be an independent nation free of British Rule. The differences we have are built around tactics for achieving that goal and the type of society we wish to create after a 32 county republic has been achieved. These arguments existed before 1916 and have continued since.

The republican movement has never had only one strategy. It is made up of individuals/groups who push their viewpoint and analysis of the way forward. Why are RSF and CIRA more republican than 32csm and RIRA, SF and IRA (we all know it's still there),IRSM and INLA,?

There were massive differences between republicans before 1916 (The ICA and the Volunteers, within the volunteers leadership etc.) and these type of differences continue, but saying we are the inheritors and you are not poduces nothing.

The way forward is what we need to deabte and how we make republicanism relevant to people throughout the Ireland. Because as you know if you sat in a Dublin pub and began saying x party are the true inheritors of 1916 because in the elections of 1920 y happened, the majority of people would just switch off and say "so what, I live in 2007 and that was ages ago".

We need to accept people's honest opinions that they, and the party they support, are republicans. The differences are about strategy and what we create after reunification. Let us debate these differences in a repectful manner and see where we get.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

wherenow,i have respect for other republicans but in my view RSF have been the most consistant and genuine in there republicanism why did the people who set up the 32csc wait untill the good friday agreement was being signed before they decided to do something?when RSF where telling them all since 1986 that this was going to happen,i know sayin i told you so isnt much use but as i said RSF are consistant commited and dedicated thats why they are my prefered party,i believe there are genuine republicans in all branches of republicanism and if all those good republicans joined RSF we could realy be united and move forward,ps forgive my biased attitude lol

[wherenow]

Forgiven. As a Dublin based republican how well is your message received by Dubs in your area and how do you find their attitude to abstentionism?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

well to be honest the attitudes of people in dublin and most irish people these days to the issue of sovriegnty is largly apathetic,most of the people i talk to are not realy aware of what its all about,the reason for this no doubt is largly due to the brit friendly 26 county media ie R.T.E which seem to hgave an unofficial blackout on all things to do with irish republicanism.as for abstention most people dont realy get what its all about as im sure you know for abstentionism to have an impact there must be a large amount of people willing to vote for it but thats just not happening although things are improving for RSF it is a matter of groundwork we need to get the word out there on the street and make people aware that there is another option to the GFA.getting the monthly paper in circulation and the goals of republicans out to the people is the only way to raise awareness

[wherenow]

Tá ar RSF a lan obair a dheanamh. Tá SF lag i mo cheantair agus tá rsf nios lige.

RSF cleary has a hell of a lot of work to do down here. In my area SF is weak, rsf are even weaker.

Nil a lan suim i Mbaile áthat cliath i nDuisceart na heireann.

Not much interest in the north down here. I can't see how abstenionism can bring the RSF agenda forward.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

well in regards abstentionism your damned if you do and your damned if you dont thats my personal view,if rsf had the support they could make a big impact so please GOD all the ground work will pay off in a few years and people will be more aware of the likes of RSF,Where are you yourself and what party do you support

[Cael]

The mark of the Irish Republican, since the time of Tone, is his/her utter refusal to recognise the English state as having any legitimacy in Ireland, indeed, being anything but an alien usurper, and his/her utter refusal to collaborate with the british occupation forces in any way. An Irish Republican gives his/her loyality to the Irish Republic and nothing else. This was clearly Tone's intention, and this intention was immediately carried out when Humbert declared the Republic of Connaght. The Irish Republican is not a lawless individual, and certainly not a native slave crawing about in alien Crown law, but one who operates according to The Law of the Republic. As General Liam Lynch clearly put it: We have declared for a Republic and will live under No Other Law.

[Hildy]

Thomas ceapann beagnach gach páirti in Eirinn go bhfuil siad "an true inherititors of 1916". Ceapaim go bhfuil muid go leir.

Thomas virtually every party in Ireland claims to be the true inheritors of 1916. From Fine Gael to IRSM. Just because somebody says it does not mean it is true and just because somebody says they're not doesn't make it true either.

I believe that vertually everybody on this forum is a true inheritor of 1916. (let's ignore people who just disrupt) We have certian goals in common, the main one being that Ireland must be an independent nation free of British Rule. The differences we have are built around tactics for achieving that goal and the type of society we wish to create after a 32 county republic has been achieved. These arguments existed before 1916 and have continued since.

The republican movement has never had only one strategy. It is made up of individuals/groups who push their viewpoint and analysis of the way forward. Why are RSF and CIRA more republican than 32csm and RIRA, SF and IRA (we all know it's still there),IRSM and INLA,?

There were massive differences between republicans before 1916 (The ICA and the Volunteers, within the volunteers leadership etc.) and these type of differences continue, but saying we are the inheritors and you are not poduces nothing.

The way forward is what we need to deabte and how we make republicanism relevant to people throughout the Ireland. Because as you know if you sat in a Dublin pub and began saying x party are the true inheritors of 1916 because in the elections of 1920 y happened, the majority of people would just switch off and say "so what, I live in 2007 and that was ages ago".

We need to accept people's honest opinions that they, and the party they support, are republicans. The differences are about strategy and what we create after reunification. Let us debate these differences in a repectful manner and see where we get.

Well said wherenow, too bad that these words will be lost on certain members that only have one agenda for being here, and that's NOT to debate in a respectful manner. Good post, however!:eusa_clap:

[Vox Populi]

Why don't you join RSF, Tomas?

[Liam Lynch]

wherenow,i have respect for other republicans but in my view RSF have been the most consistant and genuine in there republicanism why did the people who set up the 32csc wait untill the good friday agreement was being signed before they decided to do something?when RSF where telling them all since 1986 that this was going to happen,i know sayin i told you so isnt much use but as i said RSF are consistant commited and dedicated thats why they are my prefered party,i believe there are genuine republicans in all branches of republicanism and if all those good republicans joined RSF we could realy be united and move forward,ps forgive my biased attitude lol

Perhaps to be in a better position to do something about it.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

VOX how do you know i havent joined RSF?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

Liam lynch what better position are you talking about? would it not have been better for these people to leave in 86 when it was clear what path the provos where taking,at least if they had of RSF would have had a slightly stronger foundation from which to work from,instead now we have two groups with similar ideals but weakened because of division.

[wherenow]

Cad a bhfuil na difriochtai is mó idir RSF agus 32csm?

What are the major differneces between 32 csm and RSF?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

i dont think the 32 csc consider themselves to be a political party,i also think they are on a single issue movement with no plans to adopt any other political ideas except irish unity.im sure there are more but there the big ones i believe although i could be wrong.

[wherenow]

Bhi mé ag feachaint ag an thread"why should i suppor the 32csm" agus ceapaim go bhfuil ceart agat.

I was looking at the thread "why should i support the 32csm. Yes, they seem principally to be concerned with various aspects of irish sovereignty. They have internatioanal links and are developing policies on drugs etc.

They seem to wish to be an umbrella organisation for republicans trying to promote republican unity. No great development apparent yet of economic and social policies, which is due to their not being a political party.

32csm supporters correct me if Iam wrong on any of the above.