sinn feins stance on republican armys.

[ciaranxavier]

ok before everyone accuses this for a bash sinn fein thread its not its an honest question i dont know the answer too and have been curious about. since they agreed to partake with stormont do they now consider all the republican armys and i hate to use this word, its the british term but do they view the republican armys as terrorists? or how does it work. im not looking for an attack on me or am i looking to make an attack on anyone im looking for an honest answer and if you cant give that plz dont reply. and im not looking for personal views i just want to know their public stance.

[Calv]

No, they don't view the IRA as terrorists.

[quirk]

They see them as criminals as shown by the recent calls for people to inform on them.

[ciaranxavier]

They see them as criminals as shown by the recent calls for people to inform on them.

so how can they work with stormont if they dont see the republican armys on the same level? because the english see them as more then just criminals they are terrorists.

[quirk]

so how can they work with stormont if they dont see the republican armys on the same level? because the english see them as more then just criminals they are terrorists.

Thats a question a member of PSF will have to answer.

[Cael]

They already did answer it when they voted to accept English Crown law as The Law and the Crown occupation forces as the legitimate "security forces."

[q9876]

It would be nice to clear this one up from an actual member of Sinn Fein ??

[DFCRFB]

its an internet forum, i hardly think they will sign up to answer the question.

[q9876]

what about Sinn Fein forum leader ?maybe no memebrs on here ,find it hard to believe !my bad !!

[Mellows1922]

what about Sinn Fein forum leader ?maybe no memebrs on here ,find it hard to believe !my bad !!

What about me ?

As always, I can only speak from a personal capacity.

The word I would describe all those organistions who have split from the Republican Movement would be misguided.

I do not consider them terrorists, I do consider their continued belief (however little it is acted upon) that armed resistance is a viable option to be detrimental to the overall struggle.

(by the ciaranxavier, what is your definition of "terrorism" - does some factor of terror not needed to be in the equation at some point to qualify as "terrorism" - do you think people are "terrified" of the CIRA or RIRA)

[q9876]

Are they criminals?

[Mellows1922]

Are they criminals?

That would depend on the action and circumstances of what they are claiming to be Republican.

[JPL]

Are they criminals?

That would depend on them as individual people and what they have done as an individual.

You would really have to propose this question to a senior member of Sinn Fein for an answer. I like Mellows can only give my own answer.

I don't support them, but I do not consider them terrorists. I see them as groups that either do not believe that a political process will Irish Unity or do not want to work within a British system in order to achieve Irish Unity down the line.

[ciaranxavier]

What about me ?

As always, I can only speak from a personal capacity.

The word I would describe all those organistions who have split from the Republican Movement would be misguided.

I do not consider them terrorists, I do consider their continued belief (however little it is acted upon) that armed resistance is a viable option to be detrimental to the overall struggle.

(by the ciaranxavier, what is your definition of "terrorism" - does some factor of terror not needed to be in the equation at some point to qualify as "terrorism" - do you think people are "terrified" of the CIRA or RIRA)


As always, I can only speak from a personal capacity.

is there any official stance on the matter from the party?


(by the ciaranxavier, what is your definition of "terrorism" - does some factor of terror not needed to be in the equation at some point to qualify as "terrorism" - do you think people are "terrified" of the CIRA or RIRA)

i agree 100% but i dont believe terrorism is the proper term. the british phrase which i see get printed more often then id like in the papers over here, would be the accepted term if the PSF were to agree with them on the republican army viewpoint.

[ciaranxavier]

That would depend on the action and circumstances of what they are claiming to be Republican.

thats true you get thugs in every organization.

[Cael]

What about me ?

As always, I can only speak from a personal capacity.

The word I would describe all those organistions who have split from the Republican Movement would be misguided.

I do not consider them terrorists, I do consider their continued belief (however little it is acted upon) that armed resistance is a viable option to be detrimental to the overall struggle.

(by the ciaranxavier, what is your definition of "terrorism" - does some factor of terror not needed to be in the equation at some point to qualify as "terrorism" - do you think people are "terrified" of the CIRA or RIRA)


Mellows, you seem be think that Adams and Co. were expelled from the Republican Movement because they were pacifists. This couldnt be further from the truth. They expelled themselves by turning their back on the Irish Republic and taking the Queen's shilling.

[Sniperatwork81]

What about me ?

As always, I can only speak from a personal capacity.

The word I would describe all those organistions who have split from the Republican Movement would be misguided.

I do not consider them terrorists, I do consider their continued belief (however little it is acted upon) that armed resistance is a viable option to be detrimental to the overall struggle.

(by the ciaranxavier, what is your definition of "terrorism" - does some factor of terror not needed to be in the equation at some point to qualify as "terrorism" - do you think people are "terrified" of the CIRA or RIRA)

well answer me this one why does shin fein tell the community to inform on people who are just doing what the provos were doing in the last 30 years???

[ciaranxavier]

well answer me this one why does shin fein tell the community to inform on people who are just doing what the provos were doing in the last 30 years???

go start another thread that pertains to your question i asked to keep the **** tossing elsewhere im looking for a serious answer.

[Mellows1922]

well answer me this one why does shin fein tell the community to inform on people who are just doing what the provos were doing in the last 30 years???

For that analogy to be comparable there would need to be a full scale guerilla war underway currently, there isn't, there isn't even a low scale one. When the statistics tell you that no member of the Brit security services have been killed in the last twenty years by anybody other than the Provos, it tells you quite clearly that nobody is doing what the Provos did.

[Mellows1922]

Mellows, you seem be think that Adams and Co. were expelled from the Republican Movement because they were pacifists. This couldnt be further from the truth. They expelled themselves by turning their back on the Irish Republic and taking the Queen's shilling.

Cael, as much as you may believe your revisionist history, nobody else does. If you and your party managed to shake off the shackle of "poor me poor me" you might get your eye back on the objective and begin to work towards it. Twenty one years is a long enough for any new political organisation like RSF to get themselves organised.

[robertemmett]

For that analogy to be comparable there would need to be a full scale guerilla war underway currently, there isn't, there isn't even a low scale one. When the statistics tell you that no member of the Brit security services have been killed in the last twenty years by anybody other than the Provos, it tells you quite clearly that nobody is doing what the Provos did.

lol

and now the provos Work for the brit security services.

[East Tyrone]

lol

and now the provos Work for the brit security services.

Who do you work for, I'll bet it's not an education service/board/ccms?

[Vox Populi]

When the statistics tell you that no member of the Brit security services have been killed in the last twenty years by anybody other than the Provos, it tells you quite clearly that nobody is doing what the Provos did.False. The INLA have wounded and indeed killed members of the security forces after 1988.

[robertemmett]

Who do you work for, I'll bet it's not an education service/board/ccms?

at least i am not gerry's gimp

[Vox Populi]

Who do you work for, I'll bet it's not an education service/board/ccms?Awk jaysus lads, I'm not going to say I fought the war, but I sold An Phoblacht outside UCD.

[East Tyrone]

at least i am not gerry's gimp

I'm sure you're not that, whatever that is. Whatever you are, I can't be too sure of but, I'm sure it's not driven by a desire to see Ireland united.

[East Tyrone]

Awk jaysus lads, I'm not going to say I fought the war, but I sold An Phoblacht outside UCD.

Did you sell many?

[robertemmett]

I'm sure you're not that, whatever that is. Whatever you are, I can't be too sure of but, I'm sure it's not driven by a desire to see Ireland united.

my desire for it was strong enough to resign sf, when they became administrators of brit rule in ireland, and started to go into their communities to tell people to inform and tout to the cops,

[East Tyrone]

my desire for it was strong enough to resign sf, when they became administrators of brit rule in ireland, and started to go into their communities to tell people to inform and tout to the cops,

Were you in Sinn Féin when you pretended to be a teacher and Ógra when you pretended to be a student? Did you have to resign from both seperately or did the one hissy fit cover both. Or like most of what you post, are you telling lies again Robert?

[robertemmett]

Were you in Sinn Féin when you pretended to be a teacher and Ógra when you pretended to be a student? Did you have to resign from both seperately or did the one hissy fit cover both. Or like most of what you post, are you telling lies again Robert?


as many lies as you tell.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

the only history that has been revised is the history of provisional sinn fein,is it not true they broke article 1b of the sinn fein constitution in 1986?and by doing so automaticly suspended themselves from sinn fein membership.and then they had the cheek to continue using a name they had no right to.

[East Tyrone]

as many lies as you tell.

Link please, show me one.

[robertemmett]

after you

[duggie-89]

It would be nice to clear this one up from an actual member of Sinn Fein ??

wel i cant speak for anyone else and i can only say my opinion and that is something simular to mellows comment that i viewed on the 1st page, and that was that the other republican groups are misguided and lacking in vision.

i also think their intergrity has been heavily dirted due to reports of high informer levels and other gangs using their name for drugs and stuff.

[duggie-89]

For that analogy to be comparable there would need to be a full scale guerilla war underway currently, there isn't, there isn't even a low scale one. When the statistics tell you that no member of the Brit security services have been killed in the last twenty years by anybody other than the Provos, it tells you quite clearly that nobody is doing what the Provos did.

:eusa_clap: :eusa_clap: :eusa_clap:

well said, of course it may be less than that but simular thoughts, there is no war anymore

[ciaranxavier]

wel i cant speak for anyone else and i can only say my opinion and that is something simular to mellows comment that i viewed on the 1st page, and that was that the other republican groups are misguided and lacking in vision.

i also think their intergrity has been heavily dirted due to reports of high informer levels and other gangs using their name for drugs and stuff.

why are they misguided and lacking vision once the PIRA's lay down their arms???

[DFCRFB]

i dont think he means misguided by what their aims are i.e a United Ireland, rather how they are trying to acheive it.

i think.

[ciaranxavier]

i dont think he means misguided by what their aims are i.e a United Ireland, rather how they are trying to acheive it.

i think.

ah if you put it that way you may be right. ill wait for clarification.

[duggie-89]

why are they misguided and lacking vision once the PIRA's lay down their arms???

now now ciaranxavier i am insulted :icon_lol: :icon_lol: i thought i have been on this long enough for you to know i dont mean their aims.

like DFCRFB said i only mean in the way they are trying to achieve those aims.

[Nik O'Kiwi]

My personal opinion, being the Shinner that I am, is that the continuance of politically motivated military action undermines the position of the SF negotiating team.

Even from the other side of the world I can see that things have improved hugely in the six counties, and, I'm confident there is much more to come.

[Seabird]

Nik,

Welcome to the forum, it is always nice to have another shinner on board!

You are dead on with your assessment.

[ciaranxavier]

now now ciaranxavier i am insulted :icon_lol: :icon_lol: i thought i have been on this long enough for you to know i dont mean their aims.

like DFCRFB said i only mean in the way they are trying to achieve those aims.

and why is it misguided once your party chooses to change direction from the same way it once functioned.?

[ciaranxavier]

My personal opinion, being the Shinner that I am, is that the continuance of politically motivated military action undermines the position of the SF negotiating team.

Even from the other side of the world I can see that things have improved hugely in the six counties, and, I'm confident there is much more to come.

is that the continuance of politically motivated military action undermines the position of the SF negotiating team.

we wouldnt want to get in the way of SF politics.