Vol Fearghal O Hanluain Commemoration

[scarface]

Vol Fearghal O Hanluain

Republican Sinn Fein in Monaghan Town will be holding a Commemoration in Memory of Volunteer Fearghal O Hanluain Killed on Active Service with Sean South During the 50s Campaign assemble 12.45 Sunday January the 13th at Monaghan Cathedral for parade to cemetery all members of the public welcome

[Jim]

Ill be there, last years one by RSF was very well done.Is O'Bradaigh giving the oration this year scarface?

[CelticWarrior]

Vol Fearghal O Hanluain

Republican Sinn Fein in Monaghan Town will be holding a Commemoration in Memory of Volunteer Fearghal O Hanluain Killed on Active Service with Sean South During the 50s Campaign assemble 12.45 Sunday January the 13th at Monaghan Cathedral for parade to cemetery all members of the public welcome

O'Hanluain, isn't that O'Hanlon in english.
If so then he is my relative.

[MartinP]

I've read on another forum that the oration will be delivered by the Sinn Féin Director of Publicity, Richard Walsh from Derry.

[Moogie]

As far as I know the arrangements are:
Assemble at The Cathedral, Monaghan town at 1.30 for 2 O'Clock parade to Latlurcan Cemetery.
The speaker is Dan Hoban.

[Tinker_dan]

Rite the to end all the confusion. Republican Sinn Féin will hold a commemoration marking the 51st anniversary of the death in action of Monaghan man Fearghal Ó hAnluain. Anyone wishing to attend are asked to assemble at the cathedral in Monaghan town at 1.30pm on Sunday 13th January 2008 for parade to Latlurcan cemetery. The main speaker will be veteran republican Dan Hoban from county Mayo. a full colour party will b in attendence
.

[East Tyrone]

I've read on another forum that the oration will be delivered by the Sinn Féin Director of Publicity, Richard Walsh from Derry.

That's not the mighty Risteard is it?

[Risteard]

That's not the mighty Risteard is it?
Perhaps you should ask him...

[East Tyrone]

Perhaps you should ask him...

You've been hanging around all evening just dying for somebody to ask that, haven't you? Do you feel all important now?

[Risteard]

No, Irishgael. I have simply been reading today's posts. It doesn't particularly interest me what conclusions people might come to, nor do I have any intention of responding to your question.

Such is life.

[East Tyrone]

'Irishgael', a descriptive term or mistaken stab at identity?

[scarface]

Rite the to end all the confusion. Republican Sinn Féin will hold a commemoration marking the 51st anniversary of the death in action of Monaghan man Fearghal Ó hAnluain. Anyone wishing to attend are asked to assemble at the cathedral in Monaghan town at 1.30pm on Sunday 13th January 2008 for parade to Latlurcan cemetery. The main speaker will be veteran republican Dan Hoban from county Mayo. a full colour party will b in attendence
.

thanks for the clarification

[scarface]

That's not the mighty Risteard is it?

what business is it of yours anyway?

[East Tyrone]

what business is it of yours anyway?

Just wondered if it was the same guy who got banned from politics.ie for making sick comments in regard to Caoimhín O Caoláin being hospitalised.

[Hildy]

Perhaps you should ask him...


Fáilte, Risteard, whomever you are! Tá áthas orm bualadh leat.

I hope you enjoy your stay.

Slán, Hildy

[FreeDerry81]

Fáilte, Risteard, whomever you are! Tá áthas orm bualadh leat.

I hope you enjoy your stay.

Slán, Hildy

Hildy i think your the only one on here with a bit of manners!

Enjoy your stay Risteard & welcome to the forum

I'll look up to people like you from now on Hildy :eusa_dance:

[Hildy]

Hildy i think your the only one on here with a bit of manners!

Enjoy your stay Risteard & welcome to the forum

I'll look up to people like you from now on Hildy :eusa_dance:


Go raibh maith agat, FreeDerry81. That's a compliment coming from you!:)

[Jim]

Just wondered if it was the same guy who got banned from politics.ie for making sick comments in regard to Caoimhín O Caoláin being hospitalised.

Maybe he knew the lad who made sick jokes regarding the rsf leadership and alzheimers disease east tyrone?:hmmm:

[East Tyrone]

Maybe he knew the lad who made sick jokes regarding the rsf leadership and alzheimers disease east tyrone?:hmmm:

Must have been a cracker, let's hear it again.

[scarface]

Must have been a cracker, let's hear it again.

back on topic please i'm warning you about this ****

[Jim]

Must have been a cracker, let's hear it again.

Again? Did you not learn enough the first time it was uttered and then removed.

Anyway should be a good turnout on sunday and hopefully the weather gets better.

[Ernie O'Malley]

Monaghan has produced many fine contributors to Republicanism, but it rarely gets a mention I hope the People of Monaghan get a great day and a chance to commemorate one of their finest in greatness.

[scarface]

Again? Did you not learn enough the first time it was uttered and then removed.

Anyway should be a good turnout on sunday and hopefully the weather gets better.

yes hopefully the weather will improve

[cdj]

Pardon the pun (?) , but even if an 'Irish gael' does try to blow all types of sh*t , true Republicans will perservere in finishing the job abandoned by Collins , Dev , MacGiolla and Adams.

And we will continue to remember , and honour , those that went before us.

[Ghadaffi]

I was in Limerick on the 6th January when "Richie" gave a great speech and i know he'll do the same this Sunday.

I'll be there and hope for a good turn out

[scarface]

I was in Limerick on the 6th January when "Richie" gave a great speech and i know he'll do the same this Sunday.

I'll be there and hope for a good turn out

Dan Hoban is the speaker

[robertemmett]

Dan Hoban is the speaker

well he spoke really well too. and without notes.

[Jim]

well he spoke really well too. and without notes.

Yes his "mcguinness hasnt the spine of a mouse" quote went down really well.

There was a good crowd at it as well i thought.

[robertemmett]

yes, the attendance was encouraging,

[Hildy]

Yes his "mcguinness hasnt the spine of a mouse" quote went down really well.

There was a good crowd at it as well i thought.


Yes, that's really funny and appropriate at a Commemoration. He should get an agent and take his show on the 'commemoration' road! And why does Adams get slammed for mentioning anything political at the recent commemoration speech he gave, I wonder?

[Jim]

Yes, that's really funny and appropriate at a Commemoration. He should get an agent and take his show on the 'commemoration' road! And why does Adams get slammed for mentioning anything political at the recent commemoration speech he gave, I wonder?


If you had heard his speech and the fact mcguinness had called him a freestater previously then you wouldnt be so quick to judge.

Then again you have a quota of feigning indignation to fulfil i suppose.

[robertemmett]

yes he said that mc guinness called him a "Freestater", a man in the RM for over 50 years.

he replied that he was "a republican from the freestate", hoban then asked if martin would like being called "a brit from the 6 counties"

[wherenow]

An raibh an branch harrassing duine?

Were the branch harrassng everybody?

[Hildy]

If you had heard his speech and the fact mcguinness had called him a freestater previously then you wouldnt be so quick to judge.

Then again you have a quota of feigning indignation to fulfil i suppose.


No, its you anti-shinners that have the impossible quota to fill. So get on with it, you'll be busy till hell freezes over!

[Jim]

No, its you anti-shinners that have the impossible quota to fill. So get on with it, you'll be busy till hell freezes over!

Eh? I wasnt the one who starting complaining about a quote or a speech that you didnt even hear.
I havent shown any indignation either or mentioned any anti shinnerisms which have nothing to do with republicanism because the shinners have nothing to do with republicanism.

[Jim]

An raibh an branch harrassing duine?

Were the branch harrassng everybody?

The branch were there alright but you'd have to ask a rsf member were any of their people harassed.

[scarface]

well he spoke really well too. and without notes.

yes it was a great oration as he said himself it's better to speak from the heart and there was a good crowd aswell

[scarface]

An raibh an branch harrassing duine?

Were the branch harrassng everybody?

they were there but they pretty much kept to themselves

[Ernie O'Malley]

The branch were there alright but you'd have to ask a rsf member were any of their people harassed.

Just chatting to a few people that were at it and Im delighted it went so well and disgusted I picked mass with father walsh over it :-( The turn out was supposed to be great!
Fair play to the Republican Movement for putting on something so successful and congratulations to everyone who made the journey and took the time

[scarface]

yes, the attendance was encouraging,

yes there was a good crowd at it and the colour party looked very well all in all a successful commemoration there should be pictures up soon

[RSF-Fianoglach]

scarface,can you tell me who shows the lads in the coulor partys how to wear the beret,from the ones ive seen they mostly look sloppy,and like helicopter landing pads,it doesnt realy give the impression of an able disciplined force its not the lads faults coz obviously no one has shown them they correct way to do it,anyway for those who want to know how to shape a beret correctly,you fill your sink with hot water then immerse the beret fully into the water take it out and shape it on your headwith the right side pulled down and the front standing proud,once this shape is in the beret place it on a radiator or somewhere to dry out,repeat the process if neccecery,and you should have an excellent shape to the beret.these little things are important as these videos often find there way onto youtube and such,and as 5the face of the movement there dress should be impeccable.

[scarface]

http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=1668595438

there's a video of the commemoration here

[RSF-Fianoglach]

it looks like there was a good turn out,i was supposed to head up myself there was a bus leaving from dub city i think,but i couldnt make it.

scarface does anyone show these lads and lasses foot drill,and how to dress correctly?just curious

[Kat]

it looks like there was a good turn out,i was supposed to head up myself there was a bus leaving from dub city i think,but i couldnt make it.

scarface does anyone show these lads and lasses foot drill,and how to dress correctly?just curious

Just think Tomas, If you would have been there... you could have said some thing...

[RSF-Fianoglach]

said something about what kat?
i was busy distributing the RSF rag

[scarface]

it looks like there was a good turn out,i was supposed to head up myself there was a bus leaving from dub city i think,but i couldnt make it.

scarface does anyone show these lads and lasses foot drill,and how to dress correctly?just curious

:icon_lol: you are a troll and a half

[scarface]

said something about what kat?
i was busy distributing the RSF rag

you are not a member of RSF stop pretending to be

[cdj]

" RSF rag" ?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

pretending scarface?,i think you are the one pretending son.
by the way what do you mean by calling me a troll and a half?
are you allowed insult people but im not allowed answer back?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

saoirse CDJ rag is an old expression for paper.

[Hildy]

saoirse CDJ rag is an old expression for paper.

tomas, you don't need to capitalize his moniker, he's not that important.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

now now HILDY get back in your pram,im just showing him the same courtesy i show everyone,didnt you ask me to be more civil?

[Hildy]

now now HILDY get back in your pram,im just showing him the same courtesy i show everyone,didnt you ask me to be more civil?


You mean your listening to me for a change?:icon_lol: May wonders never cease!

Yes you are being better. That's good tomas, I'm proud of you.:eusa_clap:

[RSF-Fianoglach]

im proud of you too HILDY (patronizer) lol

[Hildy]

now now HILDY get back in your pram,im just showing him the same courtesy i show everyone,didnt you ask me to be more civil?


You mean your listening to me for a change?:icon_lol: May wonders never cease!

Yes you are being better. That's good tomas, I'm proud of you.:eusa_clap:

im proud of you too HILDY (patronizer) lol


So here's yer star tomas, sorry I couldn't find that big gold one that I gave you before, will this do? http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s6/hildydonovan/Emoticons/bluestar.gif

[RSF-Fianoglach]

thats great HILDY ill cherish it heres a trophy for you....its all i could find :hooray:

[cdj]

Tomas -

The 'Indo' ,'Sun' and 'Mirror' etc are "rags" .
'Saoirse' shouldn't be placed in the same category .

[cdj]

Hildy -
Here's (http://www.irishrepublican.net/forum/showpost.php?p=37156&postcount=193) a "capitalized" post for you .
You're welcome.
:icon_lol:

[rsfarmagh/keady]

scarface,can you tell me who shows the lads in the coulor partys how to wear the beret,from the ones ive seen they mostly look sloppy,and like helicopter landing pads,it doesnt realy give the impression of an able disciplined force its not the lads faults coz obviously no one has shown them they correct way to do it,anyway for those who want to know how to shape a beret correctly,you fill your sink with hot water then immerse the beret fully into the water take it out and shape it on your headwith the right side pulled down and the front standing proud,once this shape is in the beret place it on a radiator or somewhere to dry out,repeat the process if neccecery,and you should have an excellent shape to the beret.these little things are important as these videos often find there way onto youtube and such,and as 5the face of the movement there dress should be impeccable.
You wern't there so never mind who shows the colour party what to do. You didnt get up of your arse and go so keep your nose out tomas !

[HimThere]

the berets did look a bit shifty on it lyk im only 16 and i know how 2 do it proper even that bein said i was at a shoot to kill commemeration not so long ago and psf didnt look much better

[Ernie O'Malley]

ah come on folks criticism is welcome surely improvement is always an option but for a group of full time young Bricklayers joiners bar persons students mammys and daddys boys and girls they looked the part for the day!

(For a whole host of other career oppertunities see Color party jobs online lol)

16 year old from lurgan and not supporting Sinn Féin poblachtach tut tut young man!

[HimThere]

i do support rsf but i also support improvement lol did ya nat see me slaggin psf 2 lol :icon_laugh::icon_laugh::icon_laugh::icon_laugh:

[Ernie O'Malley]

i do support rsf but i also support improvement lol did ya nat see me slaggin psf 2 lol :icon_laugh::icon_laugh::icon_laugh::icon_laugh:

I knew you did, the youth of lurgan are our wee heroes! Love seeing you's all in action ha ha ha :bow:

[HimThere]

actually i jus live in lurgan i run bout in craigavon dats wer da best fun is lol

[Ernie O'Malley]

Yes the Youth of that area have been forced to witness the real RUC in the past few yearsand they have responded in the only way possible. I think it is awful what happens down that way but it lights the fire I suppose.

[HimThere]

yes we have n i must say them police batons are pretty sore lol but they know they arent welcome into the area and yet they still come in and mostly for no reason what so ever...

p.s do u kno wat age you have to be to join rsf because i have applied a few times and still havent got no word back!!

[Ernie O'Malley]

yes we have n i must say them police batons are pretty sore lol but they know they arent welcome into the area and yet they still come in and mostly for no reason what so ever...

p.s do u kno wat age you have to be to join rsf because i have applied a few times and still havent got no word back!!

Did you apply on line or in person?

[HimThere]

Did you apply on line or in person?

the first time i did it online and then about a month later i sent in the form out of the saoirse and then i tried online again

[Takeshi]

I'm not sure why there's the criticism of the marching. They did pretty good for people who probably haven't had a lot of training. In basic training for any military, there is a lot of time spent on this kind of thing for the simple reason that it takes a lot of practice.

You have to give them credit for honoring a man who gave his life for our country, and for doing a pretty good job.

[Ernie O'Malley]

the first time i did it online and then about a month later i sent in the form out of the saoirse and then i tried online again

Chuala mé an rud cearna riomh...an mbeidh sé nios fearr feannacht áitiúil? nil a fhios agam nil me i mo bhall de.

I have heard a few people say they had tried online but no response...I am not a member so I cant advise you I know nothing about it but someone on here will be fit to tell you better than I could

[HimThere]

i was thinkin on waitin a nother cuple of weeks n if i stil havent gt a reply, ill go to a rsf member and ask them tnnx anyways ernie

[Ernie O'Malley]

i was thinkin on waitin a nother cuple of weeks n if i stil havent gt a reply, ill go to a rsf member and ask them tnnx anyways ernie

No probs I sent you a PM cara anyway:)

[RSF-Fianoglach]

RSFarmagh keady dont dare tell me what to keep my nose out of you little brat, from your half cocked defensive attitude,i suspect you where one of those who were marching around with a beret shaped like a helicopter landing pad,bringing shame on the movement.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

JPUTRA go up to your local office in person its the only way you can be sure they get your application.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

TAKESHI if you bothered to read what i posted you would have read the part were i said it wasnt there fault if nobody has shown them,they did a good job for kids who have no military footdrill training,but the reason i inquired was because i wanted to know if i could offer my time a couple of nights a week to show these lads and lasses how to march,and to teach them the orders in irish.

[kev86]

Was good to see a large turnout but i feel their should have been more banners on display.

[MartinP]

The marching was fine. From what I could see when I was close enough everyone was in step and looked the part. I didn't notice anything wrong with the berets either.

[scarface]

The marching was fine. From what I could see when I was close enough everyone was in step and looked the part. I didn't notice anything wrong with the berets either.

tomas is a complete troll i wouldn't pay any attention to him

[robertemmett]

i have been at the memorial stone to the two outside roslea village, but can anybody tell me where Sean Sabhat is buried. i would persume in Limerick, is this correct??

[Ernie O'Malley]

The Memorial Stone about 4 miles outside Brookborough and 3 outside Ros liath stands on the spot they say the final shots were fired! It used to be regulary attacked although not any more Yes Séan Sabhat was laid to rest in Limerick with reportedly the biggest Funeral ever seen in the City.

[Mellows1922]

i suspect you where one of those who were marching around with a beret shaped like a helicopter landing pad,bringing shame on the movement.

As you are a self proclaimed member of RSF, will you be raising your beret concerns at your next cumann meeting ?

[robertemmett]

i suspose it not that important ernie, but i alway thought that the memorial marks the place where they died from their injuries, the shooting having taken placed in the village of brookborough itself, and the IRA having reached that (lonely) spot in a lorry.

i may be wrong though

[robertemmett]

As you are a self proclaimed member of RSF, will you be raising your beret concerns at your next cumann meeting ?


after long discussions in connolly house and stormont, psf cumann members came up with the design of their new berets......

http://www.policememorial.org.uk/NationalRoll/2002/PSNI%20Cap2.jpg

[Ernie O'Malley]

i suspose it not that important ernie, but i alway thought that the memorial marks the place where they died from their injuries, the shooting having taken placed in the village of brookborough itself, and the IRA having reached that (lonely) spot in a lorry.

i may be wrong though

I think your right although in the locality there has always been speculation that the "searching party" found at least one of them alive and executed them on that spot although who's to know...I know the monument well I originally come from the south Fermanagh Area incidently the Republican who looked after that stone for so many years after so many attacks is Ill at the moment I hope he recovers after this sickness as his effort always insured the monument was always restored.

[Comrade Ryan]

scarface,can you tell me who shows the lads in the coulor partys how to wear the beret,from the ones ive seen they mostly look sloppy,and like helicopter landing pads,it doesnt realy give the impression of an able disciplined force its not the lads faults coz obviously no one has shown them they correct way to do it,anyway for those who want to know how to shape a beret correctly,you fill your sink with hot water then immerse the beret fully into the water take it out and shape it on your headwith the right side pulled down and the front standing proud,once this shape is in the beret place it on a radiator or somewhere to dry out,repeat the process if neccecery,and you should have an excellent shape to the beret.these little things are important as these videos often find there way onto youtube and such,and as 5the face of the movement there dress should be impeccable.

Oh so thats the military training you were speaking of - remarkable insight.

[Cockney Rebel]

I think your right although in the locality there has always been speculation that the "searching party" found at least one of them alive and executed them on that spot although who's to know...I know the monument well I originally come from the south Fermanagh Area incidently the Republican who looked after that stone for so many years after so many attacks is Ill at the moment I hope he recovers after this sickness as his effort always insured the monument was always restored.

I saw a programme last week about the 56-62 campaign and the raid was talked about on this, including interviews with survivors of the raid. South and O'Hanlon were both shot very close to the barracks, South was in the back of a lorry with a Bren gun and was hit by an RUC sergeant who was up in a higher floor of the barracks. I believe that South died pretty well straight away. O'Hanlon was to the side of the lorry and was hit in the legs. Both must have been taken away in the lorry, presumably to where the monument is now.

[Comrade Ryan]

it looks like there was a good turn out,i was supposed to head up myself there was a bus leaving from dub city i think,but i couldnt make it.

scarface does anyone show these lads and lasses foot drill,and how to dress correctly?just curious

Enough of the training already - show off!

Now we all know can walk and wear a hat - awesome.

[Risteard]

i have been at the memorial stone to the two outside roslea village, but can anybody tell me where Sean Sabhat is buried. i would persume in Limerick, is this correct??

Seán Sabhat is buried in Mount St. Lawrence Cemetery in Limerick City.

[rsfarmagh/keady]

scarface,can you tell me who shows the lads in the coulor partys how to wear the beret,from the ones ive seen they mostly look sloppy,and like helicopter landing pads,it doesnt realy give the impression of an able disciplined force its not the lads faults coz obviously no one has shown them they correct way to do it,anyway for those who want to know how to shape a beret correctly,you fill your sink with hot water then immerse the beret fully into the water take it out and shape it on your headwith the right side pulled down and the front standing proud,once this shape is in the beret place it on a radiator or somewhere to dry out,repeat the process if neccecery,and you should have an excellent shape to the beret.these little things are important as these videos often find there way onto youtube and such,and as 5the face of the movement there dress should be impeccable.
You think your a real no all but i think and a few other people on this forum will agree , you know F#CK ALL ! I send you a pm still waiting on your reply !

[scarface]

You think your a real no all but i think and a few other people on this forum will agree , you know F#CK ALL ! I send you a pm still waiting on your reply !

don't waste your time with this clown a chara he is not a member of RSF he is just a troll

[rsfarmagh/keady]

don't waste your time with this clown a chara he is not a member of RSF he is just a troll

Well its not had to know that a chara. Am still waiting on the fool to send me back a pm, i think hes loss his b##ls !

[Ernie O'Malley]

Scarface,..I have reason to believe that someone opposed to the republican movement is continually taking away the reputation of posters on this forum purposly making Sinn Féin poblachtach supporters and their posts look foolish,

This is both Childish and sneaky and a prejudice being inflicted against this sub forum can you prove it if I send you the information?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

rsf armagh keady,i recieved your threatning PM saying how you will meet up with me and teach me a lesson,now is that the type of bully tactics you think the leadership of RSF would approve of?

ps i agreed to meet with you if you want,you dont intimidate me little man,you picked on the wrong person this time.

[rsfarmagh/keady]

rsf armagh keady,i recieved your threatning PM saying how you will meet up with me and teach me a lesson,now is that the type of bully tactics you think the leadership of RSF would approve of?

ps i agreed to meet with you if you want,you dont intimidate me little man,you picked on the wrong person this time.

I also recieved your threating PM so do you want me to put your threat up here on the forum so everyone can have a good laught at you. p.s have you ever left Dublin before little boy !

[RSF-Fianoglach]

i responde to the threat you made first you pathetic fool,i am entitled to defend myself.please do put the PMs up,but make sure you do it chronologicly,as in from first to last.

i have been all over the world little man,including all over ireland,have you ever crawled from your desolate hole?

[Ernie O'Malley]

Ah ah ah, there are no desolate holes in Ireland as a Volunteer has died oneach spot of it for it!

[rsfarmagh/keady]

i responde to the threat you made first you pathetic fool,i am entitled to defend myself.please do put the PMs up,but make sure you do it chronologicly,as in from first to last.

i have been all over the world little man,including all over ireland,have you ever crawled from your desolate hole?

I responded back to you threats and yes every man has a right to defend himself like i was defending myself and a great colour party at Sundays Commemoration ,and for a man who claims to be a member or r.s.f you were the only person who compained. Even E.T didnt well not yet, ! so tomas what now ! and as i told you where am from, it might be a sh#t hole but not a desolate hole. And two Vol gave their lives fighting in it ( look at the South Armagh Roll of Honour )

[Moogie]

I was at the comemmoration and I thought the colour party looked great and did a fantastic job. It's heartening to see younger members do such an important job in such a professional manner. I hope none of them read this thread and feel put down. If the only thing a plank like TOR has to complain about is a couple of berets then I'm happy. I think he is deliberately being very petty just to dishearten these young men and women. If he is genuine about his concerns then a public internet forum is not the place to air them. If he does want to help out I'm sure it can be arranged through his local cumann. Let's not hold our breath though waiting on the offer coming.

[rsfarmagh/keady]

I was at the comemmoration and I thought the colour party looked great and did a fantastic job. It's heartening to see younger members do such an important job in such a professional manner. I hope none of them read this thread and feel put down. If the only thing a plank like TOR has to complain about is a couple of berets then I'm happy. I think he is deliberately being very petty just to dishearten these young men and women. If he is genuine about his concerns then a public internet forum is not the place to air them. If he does want to help out I'm sure it can be arranged through his local cumann. Let's not hold our breath though waiting on the offer coming.
Here here a chara, a great job done by the colour party and as far as i know none of them have read it ,just the person who helped train them.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

as i said,the lads and lasses done a great job on the day,and they should be proud of themselves,all i was saying is the whole jeans and combat jaket look doesnt give the right impression,there should be a military standard dress with set standards on how to wear it,all in the name of promoting the movement and giving it a more professional look.

[East Tyrone]

as i said,the lads and lasses done a great job on the day,and they should be proud of themselves,all i was saying is the whole jeans and combat jaket look doesnt give the right impression,there should be a military standard dress with set standards on how to wear it,all in the name of promoting the movement and giving it a more professional look.

As opposed to looking like an ill-disciplined, uncoordinated rabble; bereft of command and control?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

east tyrone,im sure you still get your mammy to dress you and wipe your arse,so your not realy in a position to talk,stop behaving like a fool,and show some respect.

[East Tyrone]

east tyrone,im sure you still get your mammy to dress you and wipe your arse,so your not realy in a position to talk,stop behaving like a fool,and show some respect.

Oh the irony.

[Koneko]

stick to the topic lads.

[rsfarmagh/keady]

as i said,the lads and lasses done a great job on the day,and they should be proud of themselves,all i was saying is the whole jeans and combat jaket look doesnt give the right impression,there should be a military standard dress with set standards on how to wear it,all in the name of promoting the movement and giving it a more professional look.

Tomas the colour party wasnt wearing jeans, it was green combat trousers and combat jacket which is a proper military wear,

[rsfarmagh/keady]

As opposed to looking like an ill-disciplined, uncoordinated rabble; bereft of command and control?

You must have been looking at a different video, but thanks for you usual comment.:whip:

[East Tyrone]

You must have been looking at a different video, but thanks for you usual comment.:whip:

I have no desire to watch eejits playing soldiers, thanks all the same.

[robertemmett]

god, a psfer talking about people playing soldiers,

whats your preference, watching psfers playing cops?

[Comrade Ryan]

don't waste your time with this clown a chara he is not a member of RSF he is just a troll

Too true. If he was a member surely he'd have no probs identifying himself to you, as you clearly are a member.

The guy is fun to play with and take a part but not to be taken seriously.

[East Tyrone]

god, a psfer talking about people playing soldiers,

whats your preference, watching psfers playing cops?

I'd prefer to see all the militarist cults disbanded and all Republicans engaged in the democratic process.

[robertemmett]

and would you also call for an end to commemorations that use miltaristic colour parties, or the display of banners that glorify organisations that used violence??

[kev86]

and would you also call for an end to commemorations that use miltaristic colour parties, or the display of banners that glorify organisations that used violence??


Would not suprise me if he did, since the provos seem embarassed by the sacrifices that the Vols have made down through the years,and have sold out what they died for.

[Risteard]

engaged in the democratic process.
As in the surrender process?

[East Tyrone]

and would you also call for an end to commemorations that use miltaristic colour parties, or the display of banners that glorify organisations that used violence??
Commemoration of the dead is an important part of any society's culture. It should always be done in a dignified and respectfull manner. I don't believe that balaclavas and BDUs have any place at our commemorations or in our society. Former Volunteers of Óglaigh na hÉireann generally wear white shirts and black ties when honouring their fallen comrades nowadays.
As in the surrender process?
No Risteard, the process exercised by the other 99% of the Irish population who don't agree with you. But sure who are they compared to the rightfull govt. of the republic.

[kev86]

Commemoration of the dead is an important part of any society's culture. It should always be done in a dignified and respectfull manner.I don't believe that balaclavas and BDUs have any place at our commemorations or in our society. Former Volunteers of Óglaigh na hÉireann generally wear white shirts and black ties when honouring their fallen comrades nowadays.



Well considering the Volunteers died in action, then balaclavas or any other military wear is much more fitting to commemorate a soldier! .

Your lot in my opinion should not even be Commemorating any of our fallen comrades since you have sold out everything that they died for.

[East Tyrone]

Well considering the Volunteers died in action, then balaclavas or any other military wear is much more fitting to commemorate a soldier! .

Your lot in my opinion should not even be Commemorating any of our fallen comrades since you have sold out everything that they died for.

Fearghal O Hanluain died in action 51 years ago and was kitted-out in accordance with the Geneva Convention. In light of this fact it is questionable how "fitting" balaclavas would be at his commemoration and most presumptious to assume that he would approve.

[cdj]

" The democratic process" - is that what nationalists call the political machinery of the occupying power ?

[Cael]

" The democratic process" - is that what nationalists call the political machinery of the occupying power ?


Indeed, it would be nice if there was democracy in Ireland, but there isnt.

[Liam Lynch]

I'd prefer to see all the militarist cults disbanded and all Republicans engaged in the democratic process.

You do know that an electoral arrangement does not necessarily mean a democratic process exits? Can you explain the democratic basis for British Parliamentary activity in Ireland?

[Cael]

You do know that an electoral arrangement does not necessarily mean a democratic process exits? Can you explain the democratic basis for British Parliamentary activity in Ireland?


I think its obscene to imagine that writing a few numbers or Xs on a piece of paper every few years constitutes democracy.

[MartinP]

I'd prefer to see all the militarist cults disbanded and all Republicans engaged in the democratic process.


I love this ****. How is the process to which you refer democratic? The current partition came about due to the undemocratic process of gerrymandering. Everything built on that (the partitionist states, their administrations, judicial systems, police forces, etc.) is fundamentally undemocratic. You can remould it, try make it as inclusive and acceptable to the greatest number of people and it still won't be democratic due to its origins.

Furthermore, if what you're supporting is a democratic process, does that mean that those who fight and have fought against partition and British rule in Ireland are anti-democratic, undemocratic, enemies of democracy?

I think the provos should be a little more careful when choosing their words. The phrase 'exclusively peaceful and democratic means' implies that militant republicans - past and present - (the former you lot claim to have a great affinity with) were and are opponants of democracy.

[Cael]

I love this ****. How is the process to which you refer democratic? The current partition came about due to the undemocratic process of gerrymandering. Everything built on that (the partitionist states, their administrations, judicial systems, police forces, etc.) is fundamentally undemocratic. You can remould it, try make it as inclusive and acceptable to the greatest number of people and it still won't be democratic due to its origins.

Furthermore, if what you're supporting is a democratic process, does that mean that those who fight and have fought against partition and British rule in Ireland are anti-democratic, undemocratic, enemies of democracy?

I think the provos should be a little more careful when choosing their words. The phrase 'exclusively peaceful and democratic means' implies that militant republicans - past and present - (the former you lot claim to have a great affinity with) were and are opponants of democracy.


Im getting the distinct impression that the real provos have already left this site, hanging their heads in shame, and we are now left with the likes of ET.

[DublinRepublican]

Fearghal O Hanluain died in action 51 years ago and was kitted-out in accordance with the Geneva Convention. In light of this fact it is questionable how "fitting" balaclavas would be at his commemoration and most presumptious to assume that he would approve.

Did you disagree with the militant colour parties that the provos used to have at bodenstown? I dont belive they wore balaclavas in 1798 either.

[Ernie O'Malley]

Bhi mé ag amharc ar físeán an paráid aris agus chur sé bród orm. Bhi na daoine maith amach tá mé cinnte agus seilim go mbeidh an lá ur maith ag breacadh.

I was watching the Video of the parade again very good.

[robertemmett]

Commemoration of the dead is an important part of any society's culture. It should always be done in a dignified and respectfull manner. I don't believe that balaclavas and BDUs have any place at our commemorations or in our society. Former Volunteers of Óglaigh na hÉireann generally wear white shirts and black ties when honouring their fallen comrades nowadays.

No Risteard, the process exercised by the other 99% of the Irish population who don't agree with you. But sure who are they compared to the rightfull govt. of the republic.


should the various psf cumann that proudly display their banners at commemorations, that have pictures of volunteers in full battle dress, often with weapoms raised in a salute position, stop carrying these??

surely PSF should be putting distance between themselves and such naked displays of paramilitarism. how can psf administer british policing and england's justice on their behalf, if psf members are tramping the lanes of tyrone carrying banners with pictures of masked and armed men?

if an masked and armed man was to attack the police during the psf's ministership, it would be their job to ensure that such criminals were caught and done prison.

the psf minister for policing and justice could even write to the head of the NI judiciary to recommend that tougher sentence be passed on these rejectionist, dissendents and irregulars.

and all the time psf young lads dress up in green jackets carry banners with masked men and guns on ??????

[belfast rep]

Im getting the distinct impression that the real provos have already left this site, hanging their heads in shame, and we are now left with the likes of ET.


sorry to disappiont the one true law hasn't drove us away yet? and funny enough we are still hold our heads high

are the real provos a new organisation?

[East Tyrone]

Did you disagree with the militant colour parties that the provos used to have at bodenstown? I dont belive they wore balaclavas in 1798 either.

As you say, they used to have them; therefore, your question is asinine.

[Cael]

sorry to disappiont the one true law hasn't drove us away yet? and funny enough we are still hold our heads high

are the real provos a new organisation?


Ya you started in 1986. I dont want the Republic to drive you away, just the opposite, I want you to come to your senses and return to the Republic.

[belfast rep]

Ya you started in 1986. I dont want the Republic to drive you away, just the opposite, I want you to come to your senses and return to the Republic.

senses? you think you the member of a government, while the rest of the nation ignores you and you think killing two members of the IRLA is a war.

[Cael]

senses? you think you the member of a government, while the rest of the nation ignores you and you think killing two members of the IRLA is a war.


The IRA was not involved in those killings.


At one time the vast majority were happy to believe the world was flat and that the Sun revolved around it.

[belfast rep]

[QUOTE=Cael;51945]The IRA was not involved in those killings.

pure class,


At one time the vast majority were happy to believe the world was flat and that the Sun revolved around it.
and in the present day a small group of people believe the are a government and a whole nation must swore allegeince to them
pity much like the flat earthers

[Cael]

[quote]

pure class,



and in the present day a small group of people believe the are a government and a whole nation must swore allegeince to them
pity much like the flat earthers


Allegiance to the Republic, not to any particular individuals.

[belfast rep]

[quote=belfast rep;51952]


Allegiance to the Republic, not to any particular individuals.

but you believe your organisation and only your organisation are republican and hence the one true authority, funny you did try to put that position to the people of the 6 counties and no one bought it.
why don't you try it in the 26 and see how it goes.
good to see you have stopped denying the murders of the IRLA men

[Cael]

[quote=Cael;51954]

but you believe your organisation and only your organisation are republican and hence the one true authority, funny you did try to put that position to the people of the 6 counties and no one bought it.
why don't you try it in the 26 and see how it goes.
good to see you have stopped denying the murders of the IRLA men


I never said that Sinn Féin were the only Republicans. There are many people who give their allegiance to the Irish Republic, but are not actual members of the Republican Movement .i. gan a bheith cláiraithe mar bhaill. But, of course they are citizens of the Republic and therefore members of the body of the Republic.

[belfast rep]

[quote=belfast rep;51958]


I never said that Sinn Féin were the only Republicans. There are many people who give their allegiance to the Irish Republic, but are not actual members of the Republican Movement .i. gan a bheith cláiraithe mar bhaill. But, of course they are citizens of the Republic and therefore members of the body of the Republic.


what republic? please don't tell me that not only does your organisation believe they are the one true authority but that the republic exists also

[Ernie O'Malley]

If the Republic did not exist there would be no republicans

[Kat]

what republic? please don't tell me that not only does your organisation believe they are the one true authority but that the republic exists also

well considering that the majority of your organisations senior members also gave allegiance to that republic, before they changed thier minds in favor of the british constitution, It's existense as a force within republicanism cannot really be questioned... what should be questionod is why y'all forsook that oath.


And why y'all feel you have the right to put shame on the memory of a fallen volunteer (who by the way...gave allegiance to the same republic you jeer at) by polluting a thread about a commemoration in his memory.

[belfast rep]

well considering that the majority of your organisations senior members also gave allegiance to that republic, before they changed thier minds in favor of the british constitution, It's existense as a force within republicanism cannot really be questioned... what should be questionod is why y'all forsook that oath.

we still work towards a republic we just do pretend we are the true authority or that the people of Ireland owe an allegaince.


[QUOTE]And why y'all feel you have the right to put shame on the memory of a fallen volunteer (who by the way...gave allegiance to the same republic you jeer at) by polluting a thread about a commemoration in his memory.
Kat you have more sense than that, Check where i came into this thread?
who jeers at the Republic Kat, i have spend most life to create a real republic and continue you to so, i just don't think that the should that people should(or will) give allegience to a group just because they say we are the one true authority

[belfast rep]

If the Republic did not exist there would be no republicans


where does the republic exists, what is it doing for the people ?

[Kat]

we still work towards a republic we just do pretend we are the true authority or that the people of Ireland owe an allegaince.

Kat you have more sense than that, Check where i came into this thread?
who jeers at the Republic Kat, i have spend most life to create a real republic and continue you to so, i just don't think that the should that people should(or will) give allegience to a group just because they say we are the one true authority


Fergal O' Hanlon died for the republic and the authority you jeer at on this thread. He took an oath to it and gave his life for it. As did so many of those who came before us.

[belfast rep]

[QUOTE=Kat;51981]Fergal O' Hanlon died for the republic and the authority you jeer at on this thread.
who jeers at the republic? i challenge RSF's sense of its own importance as the one true authority. RSF are not the republic
He took an oath to it and gave his life for it. As did so many of those who came before us.
i know that some were close friends

[Hildy]

Fergal O' Hanlon died for the republic and the authority you jeer at on this thread. He took an oath to it and gave his life for it. As did so many of those who came before us.


Kat who says anyone is jeering? Many republicans took an oath and gave their life for this movement, as you realize. However, these fine republicans, or anyone that wants to see a free and united Ireland don't have to GIVE their life for it anymore! Do you think the only honor for these men should be a commemoration? Given the choice don't you think they would rather be alive and working fo their cause than dead? I do!

Oh, and what kind of republican avatar is that? What does it mean exactly? I liked your other one better!

[Cael]

Fergal O' Hanlon died for the republic and the authority you jeer at on this thread. He took an oath to it and gave his life for it. As did so many of those who came before us.



Basically Belfast Republican is saying that Vol. Fergal O'Hanlon was deluded. According to Belfast Rep. the Republic that O'Hanlon swore allegiance to, joined the Army of, and gave his life for, didnt even exist.


You would wonder why such a smart bunch as Adams & Co. would waste their valuable time commemorating such a deluded person?

[belfast rep]

Basically Belfast Republican is saying that Vol. Fergal O'Hanlon was deluded. According to Belfast Rep. the Republic that O'Hanlon swore allegiance to, joined the Army of, and gave his life for, didnt even exist.


You would wonder why such a smart bunch as Adams & Co. would waste their valuable time commemorating such a deluded person?

please work that out for me?
was he a member of CIRA?, did he claim to the one true authority?.
one were did i anyone was deluded apart from RSF.
are you claiming he would supported your party?

where is this republic , how am i as an Irish republican enjoying the benefits of it? were is it based, who elects it, who is it accountable too,
what sort of job is it doing with health and education, how is tackling crime?
what are its physical structures, are you the president?
lastly is it functioning in reality or just in your head.

[Cael]

please work that out for me?
was he a member of CIRA?, did he claim to the one true authority?.
one were did i anyone was deluded apart from RSF.
are you claiming he would supported your party?

where is this republic , how am i as an Irish republican enjoying the benefits of it? were is it based, who elects it, who is it accountable too,
what sort of job is it doing with health and education, how is tackling crime?
what are its physical structures, are you the president?
lastly is it functioning in reality or just in your head.


Yes, Vol. O'Hanon believed that the AC of the IRA was the only legitimate Governmental Authority in Ireland. He believed Stormont Castle and Leinster House to be alien impositions, and usurpers of the functions of the Republic. Sinn Féin Poblactach today hold exactly the same views as Vol. O'Hanlon.

Lots of people in Vol. O'Hanlon's time held the same views as you do. But in that time they were mostly to be found in the ranks of Fine Gael.

[Moogie]

please work that out for me?
was he a member of CIRA?,
Fearghal Ó hÁnluain was a member of the IRA. The "C" as in Continuity was not added for another 30 years. The Army council of the IRA were the legitimate authority of the Irish Republic and had been for almost 20 years when he was killed. Obviously you may scoff at this all you want but this is what O'hAnluain believed and you are attempting to make a mockery of his beliefs. This information is historically accurate and can be corroborated by many different books. Even revisionists like Ruth Dudley Edwards do not try to deny what those who have fallen in the service of the Republic believed. They may ridicule those beliefs as you do but they acknowledge that these beliefs were held.

[East Tyrone]

Yes, Vol. O'Hanon believed that the AC of the IRA was the only legitimate Governmental Authority in Ireland. He believed Stormont Castle and Leinster House to be alien impositions, and usurpers of the functions of the Republic. Sinn Féin Poblactach today hold exactly the same views as Vol. O'Hanlon.

Lots of people in Vol. O'Hanlon's time held the same views as you do. But in that time they were mostly to be found in the ranks of Fine Gael.
Vol. O Hanlon died in what ultimately proved to be a futile campaign. Much has changed in the meantime There is no support whatsoever, for militancy, in the 26; there was some in O Hanlon's time and most of the Volunteers were from the 26. One thing is the same though, there is no support for militancy in the 6; they didn't have enough support to provide logistical support for a campaign then and it isn't here today.
To attempt a campaign without the necessary support, to provide logistics and, sustain a campaign was futile. You support the persistance of such futility and will gladly stand with your chest out in the graveyard should more young Irishmen suffer his fate. You have nothing to offer the Irish people but bankrupt ideals and bitterness; camoflaged by the emotional hi-jacking of the sacrifice of others.

[Cael]

Vol. O Hanlon died in what ultimately proved to be a futile campaign. Much has changed in the meantime There is no support whatsoever, for militancy, in the 26; there was some in O Hanlon's time and most of the Volunteers were from the 26. One thing is the same though, there is no support for militancy in the 6; they didn't have enough support to provide logistical support for a campaign then and it isn't here today.
To attempt a campaign without the necessary support, to provide logistics and, sustain a campaign was futile. You support the persistance of such futility and will gladly stand with your chest out in the graveyard should more young Irishmen suffer his fate. You have nothing to offer the Irish people but bankrupt ideals and bitterness; camoflaged by the emotional hi-jacking of the sacrifice of others.


Clearly. this is your view. The question is why Adams & Co. would waste their time commemorating someone who held views that you all consider so futile and bankrupt?

[East Tyrone]

Clearly. this is your view. The question is why Adams & Co. would waste their time commemorating someone who held views that you all consider so futile and bankrupt?

I never said that Vol O Hanlon's views were bankrupt, I never met the man and you cannot assume that he would be an RSF supporter if he were alive today. Those who gave their lives for Ireland should be remembered with pride and gratitude. Particularly gratitude, in the knowledge that no more of our men and women must make the ultimate sacrifice. They died so that today's youth no longer have to.

[belfast rep]

[QUOTE=Moogie;52077]Fearghal Ó hÁnluain was a member of the IRA. The "C" as in Continuity was not added for another 30 years.
thank you that clears that question

The Army council of the IRA were the legitimate authority of the Irish Republic and had been for almost 20 years when he was killed. Obviously you may scoff at this all you want but this is what O'hAnluain believed and you are attempting to make a mockery of his beliefs.
where have scoffed at anything particularly at his personel beliefs, unlike others i do not claim to speak for any fallen comrade, i admire and respect those living or dead who worked/work to create/ recreate the republic. but i have to right to ask for proof that it exists at this time
This information is historically accurate and can be corroborated by many different books. Even revisionists like Ruth Dudley Edwards do not try to deny what those who have fallen in the service of the Republic believed. [ They may ridicule those beliefs as you do but they acknowledge that these beliefs were held.
now were did i ridicule his beliefs please show me, i was having a debate with Cael and as of yet no one has shown me proof that a republic exists. if some people think it exists in reality why are they invovled in acampaign to achieve a republic.

[belfast rep]

Yes, Vol. O'Hanon believed that the AC of the IRA was the only legitimate Governmental Authority in Ireland. He believed Stormont Castle and Leinster House to be alien impositions, and usurpers of the functions of the Republic. Sinn Féin Poblactach today hold exactly the same views as Vol. O'Hanlon.

Lots of people in Vol. O'Hanlon's time held the same views as you do. But in that time they were mostly to be found in the ranks of Fine Gael.

what views is that, that no republic exists at that this time and we should be working to create a 32 county socialist republic.
i would rather work to create a republic than to pretend ones exists and we are in charge of it.
good to see that rather than answer queries you resort to insults very good

[Cael]

what views is that, that no republic exists at that this time and we should be working to create a 32 county socialist republic.
i would rather work to create a republic than to pretend ones exists and we are in charge of it.
good to see that rather than answer queries you resort to insults very good


I dont know why you think I was insulting you. Fine Gael and PSF have exactly the same policy on partition and the British occupation. If you find that policy insulting, well, what can I say! As for socialism, I havent seen PSF passing any socialist measures in Stormont Castle - unless you want to count shutting down hospitals to save Her Majesty's money and calling for low tax rates for big business.

[Kat]

Kat who says anyone is jeering? Many republicans took an oath and gave their life for this movement, as you realize. However, these fine republicans, or anyone that wants to see a free and united Ireland don't have to GIVE their life for it anymore! Do you think the only honor for these men should be a commemoration? Given the choice don't you think they would rather be alive and working fo their cause than dead? I do!

Oh, and what kind of republican avatar is that? What does it mean exactly? I liked your other one better!



Well if only Fergal O'Hanlon had just realized that and made the choice to go your way with the rest of the tide at the time, he did not have to give his life for it anymore then either... You mock at rsf and insist that your strategy is better cause Fergal O'Hanlons (and all the others you celebrate) never worked... But your strategy was tried too.. over and over... the difference is... The strategy for the republic that people like Fergal O'Hanlon died for, never set the movement back... The same cannot be said for the redmonites or the sticks, or now for provisional Sinn Fein...

And my avatar is a really good album. Not republican in nature at all. But the lead singer is a chick with big hair who plays an upright bass.. I dont really care who likes, I do. Besides, whats not to like?


by the way that was a particularly idiotic and spiteful little trick, leaving me nasty user cp until my wee green popularity stick got shorter, when all i did was point out a discipline indescreprency. Too bad I dont really care to be popular. And too bad it did not make me mad, only sorry for you that you have such a small life. This is an internet forum, not a WWF cage match.

Hildy's temper tantrum on my rep:

01-15-2008 11:37 PM Hildy Well we don't believe it kat, so dear what's the moral of your little fairy tale?

01-15-2008 11:36 PM Hildy Can't you stay out of other peoples arguments. Who do you think you are?

01-15-2008 11:34 PM Hildy Stay out of my arguments. He's a big boy and doesn't need your help!

01-15-2008 11:33 PM Hildy Cheap Shot Kat, if you have something to say to me, start a thread in the Arena!


apparently you have to be a provie to get a big green poularity stick on IR.net.

I have no wish to diminish myself by havin a wee little hissy on the arena hildy, that would just make us both look like idiots.


:whistle:

[Hildy]

LOL!!!!!:icon_lol::icon_lol: To be honest, I don't get on this site much anymore, I'm too busy and only post a few things a day. Now, don't you worry, I have a very full and happy life outside of this site.

Oh, my goodness, that must have really ticked you off! You are tooo funny kat, look who's having the little hissy fit. :icon_lol::icon_lol: I had no idea that the 'bad' rep comments I gave you had so much clout! http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s6/hildydonovan/Emoticons/hysterical.gif I'm sorry, I didn't know you wanted a 'big green' popularity stick!


Let's see.....hmmm..... 'kat is a jewel in the rough', not a bad classification kat....it could be worse like some of your friends, that have only one little red dot, that says 'they're on the road to nowhere'! ;)


LOL......elle had a 'hissy fit' temper tantrum all over my reputation one night also, I think I got 6 or 7 bad rep comments........so consider yerself lucky that you never p*ssed her off! http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s6/hildydonovan/Emoticons/add1_ja.gif


Well just think of it this way, if you are a nice gal and don't go around calling people bully's and sticking yer beak in other peoples arguments and standing up for little crybabies and taking cheap shots at members.......perhaps maybe you will get some 'good' rep comments to build your bars back up! So rally yer friends kat and have a go! However, kat.....the number of bars we have under our moniker are quite meaningless and has value on this internet site, ONLY, if you place it there. It does not define our value in terms of what we really are as a person behind the moniker, so I'm very surprised you would even go there. Whinging does not become you!



Oooops! Watch it, I may have to give you another one for calling me a 'Provie', that's not nicehttp://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s6/hildydonovan/Emoticons/thnono4.gif..........And no you don't have to be a SF supporter to get that many bars......you just need to have many, many friends with 'big green sticks' aka clout, that gives you a lot 'good' rep comments!http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s6/hildydonovan/Emoticons/add1_gut.gif


Oh, and by the way.......you ALREADY DO....look like an idiot by bringing this childish malarky up! Who the fcuk cares how many bars you have or I have?
I certainly don't care and I certainly wouldn't mention it if I did!


So grow up Kat, and go listen to yer 'horror pops' and bang yer head till you fall asleep. Bring it on!:punk:

[Moogie]

[quote].
thank you that clears that question
That was a serious question? (Note: this one isn't)

where have scoffed at anything particularly at his personel beliefs, unlike others i do not claim to speak for any fallen comrade, i admire and respect those living or dead who worked/work to create/ recreate the republic. but i have to right to ask for proof that it exists at this time

This is what you said earlier:
where is this republic , how am i as an Irish republican enjoying the benefits of it? were is it based, who elects it, who is it accountable too,
what sort of job is it doing with health and education, how is tackling crime?
what are its physical structures, are you the president?
lastly is it functioning in reality or just in your head.
Would you have asked these questions of Ó hAnluain? If not why not?

Later on you said this:
would rather work to create a republic than to pretend ones exists
Was Ó hAnluain only pretending that one exists? I don't think he was pretending. I think one did exist then and it continues to exist today. Do you think one existed then but does not exist now? When did it cease to exist?

For the record RSF do not believe that they are the Republic. RSF believe in the Republic. The governmental authority of the Republic has resided with the Army council of the IRA since 1938. Senior members of your own organisation once gave the impression that they believed this. Were they fools or were they liars?

[belfast rep]

[quote=belfast rep;52092]
That was a serious question? (Note: this one isn't)





[QUOTE]Would you have asked these questions of Ó hAnluain? If not why not?

Yes, i would ask the same of anyone. and as of yet no-one has answered the points



Was Ó hAnluain only pretending that one exists? I don't think he was pretending. I think one did exist then and it continues to exist today. Do you think one existed then but does not exist now? When did it cease to exist?

where does it exist in reality?

For the record RSF do not believe that they are the Republic. RSF believe in the Republic. The governmental authority of the Republic has resided with the Army council of the IRA since 1938. Senior members of your own organisation once gave the impression that they believed this. Were they fools or were they liars?

they believe they are the sole authority for the Irish nation, those who do not agreed they are the sole authority are not republican.
anyone who believes a republic exists in reality is wrong no matter which organisation they belong too.
once again show me where the republic exists and how it functions on a daily basis.
if it exists only in your mind then say so. if in an dream and concept then say so it is a noble and honourable objective.
but every i time i asked where does it exist in the real world, i don't get answers but avasive allegations of attacks on a fallen soldier or that i am using them to support my own position.
i know you are RSF you, but it is okay to examine the past , present and future.
by the way there probably is some in SF who would continue to share your views on the republic, i think they are wrong also.

[Moogie]

Vol. O Hanlon died in what ultimately proved to be a futile campaign. Much has changed in the meantime There is no support whatsoever, for militancy, in the 26; there was some in O Hanlon's time and most of the Volunteers were from the 26. One thing is the same though, there is no support for militancy in the 6; they didn't have enough support to provide logistical support for a campaign then and it isn't here today.
To attempt a campaign without the necessary support, to provide logistics and, sustain a campaign was futile. You support the persistance of such futility and will gladly stand with your chest out in the graveyard should more young Irishmen suffer his fate. You have nothing to offer the Irish people but bankrupt ideals and bitterness; camoflaged by the emotional hi-jacking of the sacrifice of others.

Was the 56-62 campaign futile? That could be debated. Certainly it did not achieve the restablishment of the Republic but it was hardly futile. It raised Republicanism out of a period of stagnancy. It provided vital experience for those who went on to lead the Movement in the future. There was electoral success on both sides of the border. Those who fought in that campaign have inspired the generations since.

Pearse said: "To refuse to fight would have been to lose, to fight is to win, we have kept faith with the past, and handed a tradition to the future"

Funnily enough Dan Hoban, a veteran of the campaign, addressed the question of logistical support during his speech on Sunday. He maintained that the support was there. The campaign was ended because the vast majority of volunteers were imprisoned not because there was a lack of support among the populace.

[belfast rep]

Was the 56-62 campaign futile? That could be debated. Certainly it did not achieve the restablishment of the Republic but it was hardly futile.
Now where did i i say it was futile to strive to create a Republic? the reestablishment of the Republic is a far cry from claiming that one exists.
did the 56/62 campaign not end up in a state of decline

[QUOTE]It raised Republicanism out of a period of stagnancy. It provided vital experience for those who go on to lead the Movement on the future. There was electoral success on both sides of the border. Those who fought in that campaign have inspired the generations since.
why are you answering points i never made, I have continiously made the point that we should be working to create a republic not pretend that it is in existence. your going in circles but your not answering my key question where does the republic exist in reality.? if it does show me, because i am sincerely baffled as it has done nothing to improve my life. If it an objective to be won then say so.

Pearse said: "To refuse to fight would have been to lose, to fight is to win, we have kept faith with the past, and handed a tradition to the future"
and your point being?, if by fight you meant armed action, did Pearse not surrender because armed action became futile and counter productive? and thus it was obvos he viewed armed action as a tactic rather than tghe be all and end all of struggle?

Funnily enough Dan Hoban, a veteran of the campaign, addressed the question of logistical support during his speech on Sunday. He maintained that the support was there. The campaign was ended because the vast majority of volunteers were imprisoned not because there was a lack of support among the populace.

are you talking about the the 50's or today.

if the 50's was the fact that the majority of volunteers were imprisoned a clear indication that the military campaign was not a sucess? and not widely supported
would the huge decrease in electoral support not show that support for the campaign was dwindling rapidly?
by the way i was quering whether a Republic was in existence in reality you have attempted to turn it into a debate on the 50's campaign, a campaign i never commented on or criticised.
if you not going to or can't answer the point whether the Republic exists in reality then say so.

[East Tyrone]

Was the 56-62 campaign futile? That could be debated. Certainly it did not achieve the restablishment of the Republic but it was hardly futile. It raised Republicanism out of a period of stagnancy. It provided vital experience for those who went on to lead the Movement in the future. There was electoral success on both sides of the border. Those who fought in that campaign have inspired the generations since.

Pearse said: "To refuse to fight would have been to lose, to fight is to win, we have kept faith with the past, and handed a tradition to the future"

Funnily enough Dan Hoban, a veteran of the campaign, addressed the question of logistical support during his speech on Sunday. He maintained that the support was there. The campaign was ended because the vast majority of volunteers were imprisoned not because there was a lack of support among the populace.

If you contrast this period with the internment period, where there were far more prisoners and increased activity, then your point is invalidated. Pearse had romantic notions about warfare prior to actually experiencing it "the red wine of the battlefield" and so on. It only took him one week to gain a more realistic perspective when he realised the human cost, particularly among the civilian population. There were 30 years of perspective in recent times, there is no longer an excuse for impractical idealism at the expense of human life.

[Moogie]

where does it exist in reality?
Its authority resides with the Army Council of the IRA as I said previously. I believe this and generations of Republicans before me have believed this. You plainly don't. I think you would have been at home among the Free State forces during the second defence of the Republic. People with your belief were called "Free Staters" by Republicans in the past. In the Seventies a new phrase was born "Stickies" (coined by Seán MacStiofáin in Donegal). But I think you are aware of that.

The Republic exists but it plainly does not have "control" over Ireland. Ireland is occupied by two powers both hostile to the Irish Republic. They must both be overthrown if the Republic is to be re-established. When the next elections are held to an All Ireland Dáil then the AC (now Continuity AC)will relinquish its authority.


they believe they are the sole authority for the Irish nation, those who do not agreed they are the sole authority are not republican.

No, you are definitely wrong here. I am a member of RSF and have been for many years. I have never heard anyone from RSF express this view. If they did then they are wrong. The authority resides with the Army Council not with RSF.


anyone who believes a republic exists in reality is wrong no matter which organisation they belong too.

Well at least you don't hold back. But I have to ask if you believe it ever existed and if it did when did it cease to exist?


once again show me where the republic exists and how it functions on a daily basis.
if it exists only in your mind then say so. if in an dream and concept then say so it is a noble and honourable objective.
but every i time i asked where does it exist in the real world, i don't get answers but avasive allegations of attacks on a fallen soldier or that i am using them to support my own position.

The Republic exists but is unable to function as a normal state does becuase it is currently occupied. It is kind of like a government in exile awaiting the time for the military to bring about the circumtances where they can return. The Dalai Lama is feted around the world as being the legitimate ruler/head of state of Tibet yet it is China that actually controls Tibet.


i know you are RSF you, but it is okay to examine the past , present and future.
Don't worry I do so on a regular basis and I still come to the same conclusions.


by the way there probably is some in (P)SF who would continue to share your views on the republic, i think they are wrong also.
If they share my views on the Republic then they shouldn't be in PSF (I added the P I hope you don't mind).

[Moogie]

why are you answering points i never made
Sorry Belfast Rep I was answering a post by East Tyrone.

[Moogie]

If you contrast this period with the internment period, where there were far more prisoners and increased activity, then your point is invalidated.

It's not my point, it is Dan Hobans point (a man who took part in the campaign). Were there more prisoners during internment in the seventies? I honestly don't know the figures off the top of my head. There was internment in the 6 and the 26 counties during the 56-62 campaign.

Pearse had romantic notions about warfare prior to actually experiencing it "the red wine of the battlefield" and so on. It only took him one week to gain a more realistic perspective when he realised the human cost, particularly among the civilian population. There were 30 years of perspective in recent times, there is no longer an excuse for impractical idealism at the expense of human life.

The quote from Pearse is from his court martial after he had fought.

[East Tyrone]

It's not my point, it is Dan Hobans point (a man who took part in the campaign). Were there more prisoners during internment in the seventies? I honestly don't know the figures off the top of my head. There was internment in the 6 and the 26 counties during the 56-62 campaign.

The quote from Pearse is from his court martial after he had fought.
There certainly were more prisoners in the six counties during the 70s and there was probably less of a state clampdown in the 26; this was due to the differances in popularity of the respective campaigns. I know that Pearse said that at his court martial. However, my point has more to do with the fact that he ended the conflict as there was nothing more to be gained and the price in human life was a major factor.

[belfast rep]

[QUOTE=Moogie;52409]Its authority resides with the Army Council of the IRA as I said previously.
and you believe this is the sole authority and thus you believe that you are the sole authority.
I believe this and generations of Republicans before me have believed this. You plainly don't.
i look to the people of Ireland as the Sole authority.
I think you would have been at home among the Free State forces during the second defence of the Republic. People with your belief were called "Free Staters" by Republicans in the past. In the Seventies a new phrase was born "Stickies" (coined by Seán MacStiofáin in Donegal). But I think you are aware of that.

But they share your view that the Republic exists, i state that the republic envisaged in the 1st dail does not exist, and pretending it does is not preferrable to working to making a reality



The Republic exists but it plainly does not have "control" over Ireland.
then it does not exist, it is in your mind, it can only exist as a living breathing thing, effecting the daily lives of all our citizens. If it an objective rather than an existing reality say so. Antrim are the greatest football in the world, this my reality, the only problem is that other teams keep stopping this becoming real.
because i believe they exist as the greatest team does that make it real or me deluded.
Ireland is occupied by two powers both hostile to the Irish Republic. They must both be overthrown if the Republic is to be re-established.
yes reestablished so it does not exist at present, go raibh maith agat.
When the next elections are held to an All Ireland Dáil then the AC (now Continuity AC)will relinquish its authority.
but what does it have 'sole authority' to do, how has this authority impacted on peoples lives,




No, you are definitely wrong here. I am a member of RSF and have been for many years. I have never heard anyone from RSF express this view. If they did then they are wrong. The authority resides with the Army Council not with RSF.

you need research the opinions of your supporters on here and on the great dictatorship forum and of course this little quote. with the A/C not RSF is it not one organisation with a common purpose or do you mean the republic at present is a military dictatorship.

Its authority resides with the Army Council of the IRA as I said previously.

Well at least you don't hold back. But I have to ask if you believe it ever existed and if it did when did it cease to exist?
yes, with the first dail thats what needs reestablished, but it hasn't existed for almost 100 years,



[QUOTE]The Republic exists but is unable to function as a normal state does becuase it is currently occupied.

It is kind of like a government in exile awaiting the time for the military to bring about the circumtances where they can return.
but it does not exist, what decisions has it made in the last 100 years to express its authority over the citizens of Ireland and has the population respected and adhered to these decisions.?

The Dalai Lama is feted around the world as being the legitimate ruler/head of state of Tibet yet it is China that actually controls Tibet.
and what.? they also seen the Czars as legitimate leaders, the also see Bush as legit. they also view America as a democratic entity where anyone can effect change.




If they share my views on the Republic then they shouldn't be in PSF (I added the P I hope you don't mind).
why? because they don't agree with your strartegy, put whatever like in i don't play that game. but its good try to petty up the debate

[belfast rep]

Sorry Belfast Rep I was answering a post by East Tyrone.:).....

[Moogie]

There certainly were more prisoners in the six counties during the 70s
As I said I don't know the figures but a considerable proportion of those lifted and interned in the seventies were not volunteers (at least went they went in). I think the percentage of volunteers lifted was greater in 56-62.

However, my point has more to do with the fact that he ended the conflict as there was nothing more to be gained and the price in human life was a major factor.
The battle was lost, there is no dishonour in surrendering under those circumstances, but Pearse clearly envisioned that the fight would begin again in the future. He did not intend that no one would ever fight for Irish freedom again.

Pearse said: "If you strike us down now, we shall rise again and renew the fight. You cannot conquer Ireland; you cannot extinguish the Irish passion for freedom; if our deed has not been sufficient to win freedom then our children will win it with a better deed."

Republicans have fought many battles against our enemies, we've won some but we have also lost some. The war isn't over yet, not until British withdrawal and the re-establishment of the All Ireland Republic so there will have to be battles in the future. There will always be some brave enough to stand in the Bearna Baoil but there will probably always be some who will betray them. In Republican history this betrayal usually comes from a corrupt leadership. I think that is what happened in 86. A corrupt leadership betrayed the Republic and attempted to take it down the road of British constitutional reform. Naturally Republicans need to be aware that it is not impossible for this to happen again.

Pearse said "The leaders in Ireland have nearly always left the people at the critical moment".

[East Tyrone]

As I said I don't know the figures but a considerable proportion of those lifted and interned in the seventies were not volunteers (at least went they went in). I think the percentage of volunteers lifted was greater in 56-62.


The battle was lost, there is no dishonour in surrendering under those circumstances, but Pearse clearly envisioned that the fight would begin again in the future. He did not intend that no one would ever fight for Irish freedom again.

Pearse said: "If you strike us down now, we shall rise again and renew the fight. You cannot conquer Ireland; you cannot extinguish the Irish passion for freedom; if our deed has not been sufficient to win freedom then our children will win it with a better deed."

Republicans have fought many battles against our enemies, we've won some but we have also lost some. The war isn't over yet, not until British withdrawal and the re-establishment of the All Ireland Republic so there will have to be battles in the future. There will always be some brave enough to stand in the Bearna Baoil but there will probably always be some who will betray them. In Republican history this betrayal usually comes from a corrupt leadership. I think that is what happened in 86. A corrupt leadership betrayed the Republic and attempted to take it down the road of British constitutional reform. Naturally Republicans need to be aware that it is not impossible for this to happen again.

Pearse said "The leaders in Ireland have nearly always left the people at the critical moment".

There will always be those who mislead the brave and profit from their misfortune for as long as futile militancy is pursued. The conditions are very different from 90, 50 or even 20 years ago and violence is no longer a viable or justifiable option.

[Moogie]

[quote]
and you believe this is the sole authority and thus you believe that you are the sole authority.
The authority does not reside with me, nor RSF but the Continuity Army Council


i look to the people of Ireland as the Sole authority.
When there are elections to an All Ireland Dáil then authority will be returned

but what does it have 'sole authority' to do, how has this authority impacted on peoples lives,
It can declare war and that has impacted greatly on peoples lives especially during the last couple of generations.


you need research the opinions of your supporters on here and on the great dictatorship forum and of course this little quote. with the A/C not RSF is it not one organisation with a common purpose
Plainly RSF is not the AC, that is just sh*tetalk. Sinn Fein never had any control over the AC of the IRA you must know that or are you repeating a unionist line?

or do you mean the republic at present is a military dictatorship.
As the authority resides with the military at the moment it sort of is.



yes, with the first dail thats what needs reestablished, but it hasn't existed for almost 100 years,
Would it be fair to say that you share the views of the Free Staters?(of the 20s and today)



why? because they don't agree with your strartegy, put whatever like in i don't play that game. but its good try to petty up the debate
Because they recognise the legitimacy of Leinster House, Bertie Ahern as being the Taoiseach of Ireland and the constitution of the 26 counties as being the constitution of Ireland. In my opinion this is contrary to the belief in the legitimacy of the Irish Republic and its continuity from the second Dáil through the AC of the IRA.

[belfast rep]

[QUOTE=Moogie;52421][quote=belfast rep;52416]
The authority does not reside with me, nor RSF but the Continuity Army Council
but you ( you as in the organisation/s your support) still claim sole authority over the people of Ireland, do they acknowledge or respect that authority or adhere to its dictats.


When there are elections to an All Ireland Dáil then authority will be returned
did the people of Ireland voted for the GFA


It can declare war and that has impacted greatly on peoples lives especially during the last couple of generations.
It has declared war but that is about as real as the republic you believe exists. the FRF can declare, so can the IRLA where has the CIRA impacted upon peoples lives.


Plainly RSF is not the AC, that is just sh*tetalk. Sinn Fein never had any control over the AC of the IRA you must know that or are you repeating a unionist line?

are they not part of the same movement?


As the authority resides with the military at the moment it sort of is.
what authority



Would it be fair to say that you share the views of the Free Staters?(of the 20s and today).
i believe in creating a 32 county socialist all Ireland republic where all the resources of the nation are used and benefited by the citizens of the Ireland. if the all the citizens of 26 shared that objective i would delighted, sadly the majority seem to believe a republic exists a belief shared by yourselves the only they have authority you imagine you have it.




Because they recognise the legitimacy of Leinster House, Bertie Ahern as being the Taoiseach of Ireland and the constitution of the 26 counties as being the constitution of Ireland. In my opinion this is contrary to the belief in the legitimacy of the Irish Republic and its continuity from the second Dáil through the AC of the IRA.

and pretending to Leinster house does not exist created the republic how?

[Kat]

but you ( you as in the organisation/s your support) still claim sole authority over the people of Ireland, do they acknowledge or respect that authority or adhere to its dictats.





And so did Fergal O'Hanlan, And the people did not Acknowledge or respect that authority then either. So why celebrate his life and beliefs now, when they are so different than your own?

[belfast rep]

And so did Fergal O'Hanlan, And the people did not Acknowledge or respect that authority then either. So why celebrate his life and beliefs now, when they are so different than your own?

because i believe that sole authority lies with Irish people. i do not speak for his believes as i did not know him personally

[Cael]

because i believe that sole authority lies with Irish people. i do not speak for his believes as i did not know him personally



Whats the point of commemorating someone who's beliefs are unknown to you?

[Cael]

because i believe that sole authority lies with Irish people. i do not speak for his believes as i did not know him personally


If you are an Adams supporter, then you believe that the British Government are the sole authority in the 06 for as long as the artificial 'majority' want that to be the case. In other words, you deny the right of the Irish people to act as a unit in determining their own future and you place the right to determine the integrity of the Irish nation in a small section of the Irish people along with the British parliament.

[belfast rep]

Whats the point of commemorating someone who's beliefs are unknown to you?

do you know the personal beliefs of every republican? i have been close to a few fallen comrades can you recite their personal political beliefs on the sort of Ireland they envisaged?
does every single republican(whether you believe them to be republican or not) have concurring opinions.
do you read minds

[Cael]

do you know the personal beliefs of every republican? i have been close to a few fallen comrades can you recite their personal political beliefs on the sort of Ireland they envisaged?
does every single republican(whether you believe them to be republican or not) have concurring opinions.
do you read minds


I can safely say that I would not waste my time attending a commemoration for someone who's views were unknown to me.

[belfast rep]

If you are an Adams supporter, then you believe that the British Government are the sole authority in the 06 for as long as the artificial 'majority' want that to be the case. In other words, you deny the right of the Irish people to act as a unit in determining their own future and you place the right to determine the integrity of the Irish nation in a small section of the Irish people along with the British parliament.
if i write believe something that is what i believe, not something you tell i believe, the people of Ireland should have authority over what happens in Ireland Sin é.
i deny the right of the Irish people? surely you as the surpeme authority can just grant that right or is that authority not a reality also?

[Cael]

By the way, Irish Republicans do not have 'personal political' beliefs, when it comes to the Republic.

[Cael]

if i write believe something that is what i believe, not something you tell i believe, the people of Ireland should have authority over what happens in Ireland Sin é.
i deny the right of the Irish people? surely you as the surpeme authority can just grant that right or is that authority not a reality also?


If you say that the Irish people have the right to determine their own future, acting as a unit, then you are not a PSF supporter.

[belfast rep]

I can safely say that I would not waste my time attending a commemoration for someone who's views were unknown to me.

at moment i am doing a bit of research into Sean Savage, please recite his views for me or is he not worthy of commemorating by the surpeme authority.
What about Mairead Farrell do you her beliefs on a fantasy republic that does not exist at present.

[belfast rep]

If you say that the Irish people have the right to determine their own future, acting as a unit, then you are not a PSF supporter.

please do not tell what i am and am not, that is a little bit arrogrant.
are you a mind reader?

[belfast rep]

If you say that the Irish people have the right to determine their own future, acting as a unit, then you are not a PSF supporter.
by the way you still given an evidence to show where the Republic exists

[Cael]

please do not tell what i am and am not, that is a little bit arrogrant.
are you a mind reader?


Not at all. But you can hardly support a party that recognises the legitimacy of British rule in Ireland and helps to administer that rule, and at the same time consider that only the Irish people have the right to rule themselves.

[Cael]

by the way you still given an evidence to show where the Republic exists

It exists in the minds of those who give it their allegiance - the same as any Republic. Institutions of state do not a Republic make.

[Cael]

at moment i am doing a bit of research into Sean Savage, please recite his views for me or is he not worthy of commemorating by the surpeme authority.
What about Mairead Farrell do you her beliefs on a fantasy republic that does not exist at present.

I believe Vols. Farrell and Savage honoured the oath they gave to defend the Republic - and gave their lives doing so.

Its only a pity that they were betrayed by Adams & Co.

[belfast rep]

Not at all. But you can hardly support a party that recognises the legitimacy of British rule in Ireland and helps to administer that rule, and at the same time consider that only the Irish people have the right to rule themselves.

since when ? they took a diiferent strategic position to your movements, how effective is your strategy? politically or militarLy

[belfast rep]

I believe Vols. Farrell and Savage honoured the oath they gave to defend the Republic - and gave their lives doing so.

Its only a pity that they were betrayed by Adams & Co.

you believe they did. I know they did , but what do you know about their actual beliefs and if you do know them will you refuse to commemorate them?

[Cael]

since when ? they took a diiferent strategic position to your movements, how effective is your strategy? politically or militarLy


We're not talking about any strategy. We're talking about a logical impossibility. You cannot support the right of the British government to rule the Irish people and the right of the Irish people to rule themselves.

[Cael]

you believe they did. I know they did , but what do you know about their actual beliefs and if you do know them will you refuse to commemorate them?

Clearly, I will commemorate Volunteers who honoured their oath to the Irish Republic.


according to you, they were living in a dellusion, as the Republic they swore to defend did not even exist. Will you commemorate Volunteers that you consider were living in fantasy land?

[belfast rep]

We're not talking about any strategy. We're talking about a logical impossibility. You cannot support the right of the British government to rule the Irish people and the right of the Irish people to rule themselves.

who does support the british right
will you refuse to Sean and Mairead because you not know they own beliefs
where does the republic exist and what does it do.

[Cael]

who does support the british right
will you refuse to Sean and Mairead because you not know they own beliefs
where does the republic exist and what does it do.



PSF signed the GFA, which recognises the right of Her Britannic Majesty's Government to rule part of Ireland.


The rest I have already answered.

[belfast rep]

[QUOTE=Cael;52493]Clearly, I will commemorate Volunteers who honoured their oath to the Irish Republic.

you claim that i should not commemorate Fearghal o Hanluain because i did not know his personal beliefs, i do know he fought and died to re establish a Republic.
So i am quite entitled to ask you will you refrain from commemorating those who you do not know their personal political beliefs of or their aspirations,? i am only following your criteria on who and cannot attend commemorations.


according to you, they were living in a dellusion, as the Republic they swore to defend did not even exist. Will you commemorate Volunteers that you consider were li