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East Tyrone
12-31-2007, 06:58 PM
The lead article of today's Irish News illustrates the petty sectarianism of Unionist efforts to impede progress in education reform. This is based on a review, by education experts, of the annual reports of the five Education and Library Boards. The figures show that scare-mongering in regard to "postcode lotteries" is baseless. The article stated:
Almost every child is being admitted to his or her first-choice secondary school- casting doubt on fears of a 'postcode lottery' when the 11 plus goes.
It goes on to show that experts have dismissed the claims of Sinn Féin's critics:
experts are puzzled by such claims. They say nothing will change in the post 11 plus era- children can get into any school and will still be able to do so.
New statistics from the five education and library boards reveal that nine in every ten first preferance applications to post-primaries last year succeeded.
The statistics show that the Sinn Féin strategy is the correct one; there is no longer any need for the 11 plus. Scrapping the 11 plus will result in a much higher standard of education for all of our children and will significantly reduce the numbers leaving primary school with sub-normal numeracy and literacy skills. These children have traditionally been neglected in the system as 11 plus preperation has absorbed disproportionate teaching resources. The stigma of 11 plus failure is also an unnecessary burden to be placing on pre-adolescent children; particularly when the test no longer serves any usefull purpose.

robertemmett
12-31-2007, 07:34 PM
what a load of c rap

East Tyrone
12-31-2007, 07:40 PM
what a load of c rap
Super rebuttal there; why don't you write the Irish News a letter and complain as well. How dare they publish anything favourable to Sinn Féin, no matter how truthfull.

JPL
12-31-2007, 07:48 PM
what a load of c rap

What is? Care to expand a little?

robertemmett
12-31-2007, 07:50 PM
well i just might do that...

how does scrapping the 11 plus result in a higher standard / level of education for our children ??

robertemmett
12-31-2007, 07:53 PM
sorry, am away out for night. pick this up with ye tomorrow. and a happy new year to you both.

East Tyrone
12-31-2007, 07:55 PM
well i just might do that...

how does scrapping the 11 plus result in a higher standard / level of education for our children ??

Classroom time and resources would no longer be monopolised by 11 plus preperation in primary school. In the present climate children who choose not to sit it or are academically incapable are effectively abandoned about half way through P5. The result is that bottom stream classes in secondary schools are full of children reading at a P4 level. These children would be given a more equitable share of teaching time and resources in a non-11 plus environment.
Given that you are a student who claims to be a teacher or a teacher who claims to be a student, one would think that you would be conversent with the issues facing our shools today.

q9876
01-02-2008, 08:45 PM
Is there not a replacement for it on the way already ?

East Tyrone
01-02-2008, 09:11 PM
Is there not a replacement for it on the way already ?

It is not being replaced it is being scrapped.

robertemmett
01-02-2008, 11:47 PM
It is not being replaced it is being scrapped.


well so you hope

that it is been scrapped and not being replaced with some other from of selection.

and i am sure this is what ruane hopes for too.

but she has to get executive approval for her move, so dont be too definative on it being scrapped and not replaced with some other form of selection

East Tyrone
01-03-2008, 12:25 AM
well so you hope
that it is been scrapped and not being replaced with some other from of selection.
and i am sure this is what ruane hopes for too.
but she has to get executive approval for her move, so dont be too definative on it being scrapped and not replaced with some other form of selection
Quite the climb-down from:

what a load of c rap
You would think that an alleged teacher would have a more reasoned input into the debate. Then again a liar would have very little to say.

robertemmett
01-03-2008, 12:26 AM
well for a liar, you have plenty to say.

East Tyrone
01-03-2008, 12:28 AM
well for a liar, you have plenty to say.

Super comeback. You will no doubt back that up with a link.

q9876
01-03-2008, 12:35 AM
There was alot of talk about how they had to find a replacement after they scarp it, but good to see it go . Never did it myself but I could have .