For Shin Fein Supporters

[Sniperatwork81]

There is something i need to ask shin fein members/supporters how can you agree with your party telling you if you have information about a member of the ruc (the occupent in this part of the country) getting shot go to the ruc with it? What is the difference between a cop today and a cop 30 years ago???:hmmm:

[wherenow]

Chuala me i seo. Is Catholic mé ach ni ndearna me gach rud a deireann an papa.

I've heard this as an explanation. I'm a catholic, but it doesn't mean I do everything the pope tells me.

[robertemmett]

ach, well in those days there was no all powerful dpps
plus the cops didnt wear snazzy new uniforms in those days
plus in those days the cops upheld british laws, today they... wait.. nope they still unphold brit laws.

[East Tyrone]

shin fein?

[robertemmett]

yeah, cause its usually SPIN fein

[East Tyrone]

yeah, cause its usually SPIN fein

Why, do you have some type of facial disfigurement that retards your speach?

[robertemmett]

why yes i do.
you so smart

[Ernie O'Malley]

Different times, Different strategies, different treaty same compromise same confusion same simplicity.

Unfortunatly there is no Difference between a Cop 30 years ago and today but it is up to Republicans to realise their own ambitions themselves and stop looking to treatyites for the "green light" it went red for them a long long time ago.

[East Tyrone]

Different times, Different strategies, different treaty same compromise same confusion same simplicity.

Unfortunatly there is no Difference between a Cop 30 years ago and today but it is up to Republicans to realise their own ambitions themselves and stop looking to treatyites for the "green light" it went red for them a long long time ago.

You're quite wrong. 30 years ago there was a significant mandate for physical force Republicanism. This was sufficient to sustain an active campaign. That mandate no longer exists. In the eyes of the people the cop of today is different to the one of 30 years ago and they will not support violence against them. A lot of reform has happened to bring about that transformation in the public consciousness. It is a good thing that our young are no longer growing up with the desire to kill. The police are no longer legitimate targets and any self-appointed idealogue who decides differant is going against the will of the the overwhelming majority of the people. The "green lights" are only to be found on traffic lights.

[robertemmett]

and the the 50s border campaign? had it a significant mandate??

[Hildy]

You're quite wrong. 30 years ago there was a significant mandate for physical force Republicanism. This was sufficient to sustain an active campaign. That mandate no longer exists. In the eyes of the people the cop of today is different to the one of 30 years ago and they will not support violence against them. A lot of reform has happened to bring about that transformation in the public consciousness. It is a good thing that our young are no longer growing up with the desire to kill. The police are no longer legitimate targets and any self-appointed idealogue who decides differant is going against the will of the the overwhelming majority of the people. The "green lights" are only to be found on traffic lights.



A few stat's to help out.....

Police sick leave for stress falls by 25%
Belfast Telegraph (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/article3239534.ece)
Monday, December 10, 2007

By Sam Lister

The number of police going off work with stress in the province has fallen by 25% in five years.

Last year 282 regular PSNI officers took sick leave with the illness, down from 377 in 2002 according to Northern Minister Paul Goggins.

The drop in full-time reservist stress-related absences was even more dramatic at 85% - just 22 compared to 156.

Nigel Dodds, who requested the figures in the Commons, said: "The number of officers on the beat is very much an issue that constantly arises. Members of the public want a decent, effective, high-visibility police force and sick leave rates affect that.

"I know the police have made efforts to try to address this problem and I welcome the drop in numbers. The figures no doubt reflect the fact that recent times have been more peaceful.

"However, we should not forget the dangers officers still face, particularly in light of the shootings of two officers by dissidents in recent weeks."

The figures also revealed 28 officers have been transferred to other agencies.

The PSNI has been dogged by high sickness rates since it was formed but insists it is on line to meet policing board targets.

[East Tyrone]

and the the 50s border campaign? had it a significant mandate??

Nope, and that's why it was an abject failure.......next.

[robertemmett]

but the guys involved were justified in their actions or does that rely on sufficient mandates???

[East Tyrone]

but the guys involved were justified in their actions or does that rely on sufficient mandates???

Justification wasn't worth much to them without the support to sustain a viable campaign. Much has changed in 50 odd years; the desire and support for an armed campaign among the people is statistically non-existant and there is no longer any justification for the reckless endangerment of Irish people.

[robertemmett]

so really then, what is the differnce between say, the edentubber martyrs and say those guys who shot the cops in derry and dungannon?

[Comrade Ryan]

You're quite wrong. 30 years ago there was a significant mandate for physical force Republicanism. This was sufficient to sustain an active campaign. That mandate no longer exists. In the eyes of the people the cop of today is different to the one of 30 years ago and they will not support violence against them. A lot of reform has happened to bring about that transformation in the public consciousness. It is a good thing that our young are no longer growing up with the desire to kill. The police are no longer legitimate targets and any self-appointed idealogue who decides differant is going against the will of the the overwhelming majority of the people. The "green lights" are only to be found on traffic lights.

If the IRA wished to continue its campaign its fair to say that it would have had at least the same support as it did 30 years ago.

The mandate stuff is as always a red herring.

[Comrade Ryan]

A few stat's to help out.....

What exectly is the relevance of these stats to any discussion?

Is a crucial reform that the RUC men don't play truant as much?

[Comrade Ryan]

Justification wasn't worth much to them without the support to sustain a viable campaign. Much has changed in 50 odd years; the desire and support for an armed campaign among the people is statistically non-existant and there is no longer any justification for the reckless endangerment of Irish people.

ET you really would be better served just answering the question - your deflection is agonising to watch sometimes mate.

I do not support the current armed campaigns as I think they are mistaken and have little chance of success - thats my right.

But I don't try and dance around the issues. When people fixate on issues of mandates like you have done, well it flies in the face of republican history.

I though McGuinness said he no longer wanted to see republicans dance on the head of a pin around policing?

Thats exactly what you guys have been doing since your conversion.

[East Tyrone]

ET you really would be better served just answering the question - your deflection is agonising to watch sometimes mate.

I do not support the current armed campaigns as I think they are mistaken and have little chance of success - thats my right.

But I don't try and dance around the issues. When people fixate on issues of mandates like you have done, well it flies in the face of republican history.

I though McGuinness said he no longer wanted to see republicans dance on the head of a pin around policing?

Thats exactly what you guys have been doing since your conversion.

Let me be as clear-cut about this as possible. History is irrelevant, as the conditions constantly change; you cannot measure the actions of the past against the conditions of today and vice-versa. To do so is completely asinine and without merit. I do not support armed Republicanism and I don't believe that anybody, in this day and age, has the right to engage in violence against the clearly defined wishes of the majority of the population. Particularly when said violence is nothing more than counter-gang strategy employed by the British to erode consensus and foster division. I was asked above about the differance between the Edentubber martyrs and the Derry/Dungannon muppets; the differance is 50 odd years of socio-political advancement and a demystification/romanticisation of the situation. A tiny portion of the population don't seem to be able to grasp this concept; but every society has it's retrograde element.

[Cael]

You're quite wrong. 30 years ago there was a significant mandate for physical force Republicanism. This was sufficient to sustain an active campaign. That mandate no longer exists. In the eyes of the people the cop of today is different to the one of 30 years ago and they will not support violence against them. A lot of reform has happened to bring about that transformation in the public consciousness. It is a good thing that our young are no longer growing up with the desire to kill. The police are no longer legitimate targets and any self-appointed idealogue who decides differant is going against the will of the the overwhelming majority of the people. The "green lights" are only to be found on traffic lights.


Its not about armed struggle, its about betraying your country to the enemy and solliciting the Irish people to live under enemy law.

[Comrade Ryan]

Let me be as clear-cut about this as possible. History is irrelevant, as the conditions constantly change; you cannot measure the actions of the past against the conditions of today and vice-versa. To do so is completely asinine and without merit. I do not support armed Republicanism and I don't believe that anybody, in this day and age, has the right to engage in violence against the clearly defined wishes of the majority of the population. Particularly when said violence is nothing more than counter-gang strategy employed by the British to erode consensus and foster division. I was asked above about the differance between the Edentubber martyrs and the Derry/Dungannon muppets; the differance is 50 odd years of socio-political advancement and a demystification/romanticisation of the situation. A tiny portion of the population don't seem to be able to grasp this concept; but every society has it's retrograde element.

Your claims are really without any grounds ET and are ill befitting of you.

When you claim that all armed republicans are products of british counter insurgency you are really in the gutter press league.

I though you had a bit more wit than that to be honest.

[Cael]

Let me be as clear-cut about this as possible. History is irrelevant, as the conditions constantly change; you cannot measure the actions of the past against the conditions of today and vice-versa. To do so is completely asinine and without merit. I do not support armed Republicanism and I don't believe that anybody, in this day and age, has the right to engage in violence against the clearly defined wishes of the majority of the population. Particularly when said violence is nothing more than counter-gang strategy employed by the British to erode consensus and foster division. I was asked above about the differance between the Edentubber martyrs and the Derry/Dungannon muppets; the differance is 50 odd years of socio-political advancement and a demystification/romanticisation of the situation. A tiny portion of the population don't seem to be able to grasp this concept; but every society has it's retrograde element.


So in NeoSticky Speak, any Irish citizen who doesnt accept the English Crown and the Crown occupation forces is a "retrograde element?" I suppose that makes sense, since even the SDLP and OUP are now "problem parties" as they are making slight problems for Crown misrule.

[East Tyrone]

Your claims are really without any grounds ET and are ill befitting of you.

When you claim that all armed republicans are products of british counter insurgency you are really in the gutter press league.

I though you had a bit more wit than that to be honest.
Comrade we have seen countless examples of Brit manipulation of armed Republicans through touts and agents. We have had Omagh and the jailing of numerous young people who were set up and we have opportunely timed actions that could only be the result of Brit orchestration. The evidence speaks for itself. There may be some genuine people of limited intelligence involved in armed activity, but they are almost certainly being orchestrated by malign influence.

So in NeoSticky Speak, any Irish citizen who doesnt accept the English Crown and the Crown occupation forces is a "retrograde element?" I suppose that makes sense, since even the SDLP and OUP are now "problem parties" as they are making slight problems for Crown misrule.

Cael I'll make the effort to wade through your usual, symbologist drivel to say this: I support the right of any Irish person to oppose the British presence in Ireland in any way they see fit; provided they do not engage in, or exhort and support others to engage in, acts of reckless endangerment of the Irish people.

[Cael]

Comrade we have seen countless examples of Brit manipulation of armed Republicans through touts and agents. We have had Omagh and the jailing of numerous young people who were set up and we have opportunely timed actions that could only be the result of Brit orchestration. The evidence speaks for itself. There may be some genuine people of limited intelligence involved in armed activity, but they are almost certainly being orchestrated by malign influence.



Cael I'll make the effort to wade through your usual, symbologist drivel to say this: I support the right of any Irish person to oppose the British presence in Ireland in any way they see fit; provided they do not engage in, or exhort and support others to engage in, acts of reckless endangerment of the Irish people.


As I said to you before, it has nothing to do with military action, which should always be conducted in a disciplined manner anyway. It has everything to do with loyalty to the Irish Republic and total rejection of all collaboration with enemy forces. You dont have to carry a gun, or even ever have seen a gun to refuse to be a collaborator and informer.

[East Tyrone]

As I said to you before, it has nothing to do with military action, which should always be conducted in a disciplined manner anyway. It has everything to do with loyalty to the Irish Republic and total rejection of all collaboration with enemy forces. You dont have to carry a gun, or even ever have seen a gun to refuse to be a collaborator and informer.

We should all take a leaf out of your book and deny the existance of reality. You could take this a step further Cael and explore the quantum physics potential of your argument; maybe rewrite the theory of relativity.

[Cael]

We should all take a leaf out of your book and deny the existance of reality. You could take this a step further Cael and explore the quantum physics potential of your argument; maybe rewrite the theory of relativity.


It has always been the mark of the Good Native Uncle Tom to bow down to the invader, and then say: This is reality, there is no alternative but the coloniser's alternative, no law but the coloniser's law. You cannot see beyond the enemy's guns and money, you use it as a lame excuse for your own inner capitulation.

[Irish Republican Patriot]

ET, all I'll say is, you're one hell of a fine upstanding SDLP man. By the way, what exactly is "reckless endangerment of the Irish people" supposed to mean? I mean, you're always quick to accuse others of throwing up words to deflect arguments, so I was just wondering what you meant?

[Seabird]

IRP,

Maybe when you grow up and become a big boy you'll be able to comprehend words that make up the contents of what we adults call a sentence.:biggrin:

[robertemmett]

IRP,

Maybe when you grow up and become a big boy you'll be able to comprehend words that make up the contents of what we adults call a sentence.:biggrin:

ageist:whip:

[East Tyrone]

ET, all I'll say is, you're one hell of a fine upstanding SDLP man. By the way, what exactly is "reckless endangerment of the Irish people" supposed to mean? I mean, you're always quick to accuse others of throwing up words to deflect arguments, so I was just wondering what you meant?

Anything that involves the use of firearms or explosives; you know where you mix a bomb and 30 odd people are killed or you shoot at a cop and hit an innocent bystander(s), that type of thing. I consider any act of armed resistance to be an act of reckless endangerment; the potential for harm to innocent members of society far outweighs any argument to the contrary.

[robertemmett]

so no more 1916 commemorations for you.

[East Tyrone]

so no more 1916 commemorations for you.

How very feeble.

[Irish Republican Patriot]

Stop mincing your words then ET. As for you Seabird, go and take your menopause pills or something.

[Seabird]

IRP,

I don't need any but it sounds as if you do.

[Hildy]

Stop mincing your words then ET. As for you Seabird, go and take your menopause pills or something.

IRP go sit in the corner and be quiet!:whip:

[Mellows1922]

so really then, what is the differnce between say, the edentubber martyrs and say those guys who shot the cops in derry and dungannon?

The fact that an alternative strategy to armed resistance is on the table now and wasn't then is a pretty big difference.

[East Tyrone]

Stop mincing your words then ET. As for you Seabird, go and take your menopause pills or something.

I don't mince Irish Republican Parrot; try engaging in reasoned argument rather than childishishness and I might contemplate taking you seriously.

[mac_talla]

There is something i need to ask shin fein members/supporters how can you agree with your party telling you if you have information about a member of the ruc (the occupent in this part of the country) getting shot go to the ruc with it? What is the difference between a cop today and a cop 30 years ago???:hmmm:
Is anyone going to answer the original question?

Sniperatwork81....I don't agree with the policy. The difference is 30 years.

[DFCRFB]

30 years ago we believed we could bomb the brits out of ireland. well obviously time has told us that they aint going to leave simply because 'we want' them. In fact they have dug their heels in completly, with the unionist community regarding them as being needed in order to protect them in some circles.
Political strategy is now the way forward. In the past number of years republicans have made massive gains in terms of votes till they reached the point of being the voice of the nationalist/republican people, as voted by the people.
Suppose it seems as if i didnt answer the question there now lol, but in a round about way i did. we have noting to gain by shooting one police man/woman. they will simply replace him/her with three times that.

[Comrade Ryan]

Comrade we have seen countless examples of Brit manipulation of armed Republicans through touts and agents. We have had Omagh and the jailing of numerous young people who were set up and we have opportunely timed actions that could only be the result of Brit orchestration. The evidence speaks for itself. There may be some genuine people of limited intelligence involved in armed activity, but they are almost certainly being orchestrated by malign influence..

Every movement has been victim to that, look no further than your own where the evidence is just that evidence not speculation. thats should not be used to downgrade a movement nor the honest people within it otherwise your movement and my former movement would have had to close up shop years ago - both wings!

The limited intelligence stuff is pure b*lls.

Although it does sound familiar, people used to say that about your movement too.

[scarface]

Every movement has been victim to that, look no further than your own where the evidence is just that evidence not speculation. thats should not be used to downgrade a movement nor the honest people within it otherwise your movement and my former movement would have had to close up shop years ago - both wings!

The limited intelligence stuff is pure b*lls.

Although it does sound familiar, people used to say that about your movement too.

it's stoop speak plain and simple ET had the nerve to call a man who spent 8 years in Maghaberry prison for his beliefs an eejit and a hood a man who at one time was the only republican prisoner in Maghaberry who was surrounded by loyalists. It's terriable that us backwoodsmen of limited intelligence don't understand the greatness of collaboration with stormont

[East Tyrone]

it's stoop speak plain and simple ET had the nerve to call a man who spent 8 years in Maghaberry prison for his beliefs an eejit and a hood a man who at one time was the only republican prisoner in Maghaberry who was surrounded by loyalists. It's terriable that us backwoodsmen of limited intelligence don't understand the greatness of collaboration with stormont

Just because somebody does time it doesn't exempt them from criticism. Come up to the Killeeshall area of Tyrone and ask around about the individual in question; you will be told that he is an eejit, by the vast majority of those who know him. I never said he was a hood either; whoever set him up to get caught with the gear probably is though.

[unitedireland]

well its just different times.we have come a long way since the days of 1969 the battle of the bogside and other such incidents so has the R.U.C/P.S.N.I . the police force is a changed force thanks to sinn féin getting scum off our streets has never been more effective.

and you ask that question.........how can you agree with your party telling you if you have information about a member of the ruc (the occupent in this part of the country) getting shot go to the ruc with it?

its actually quite simple as you know sinn féin support the policing of the north and with supporting the police comes rules they are not just going to lie down while a member of a policing force gets shot at by "republicans".do you really think that would lie well with the D.U.P? i dont think so.there is "finally" peace up north and we can work from there.and if that means supporting the police then so be it.get used to the times lad.

[Vox Populi]

thanks to sinn féin getting scum off our streets has never been more effective.
Who and when?

[unitedireland]

do you really think i am going to sit here and list ever arrest since JANUARY 2007? i dont think so but i will give you a few examples and by scum i mean everykind of criminal wether it be drug dealers,murderers or thieves.


One person has been arrested after allegedly driving a car at a police officer during a crime crackdown, police have said.

Seven people in total were arrested in the operation aimed at car crime and burglary in Lisburn and west Belfast. source BBC news.

its a crackdown on joyriding!!


Fifteen people have been arrested in the second crackdown on serious crime in south Belfast within a fortnight.

It comes less than 24 hours after an elderly woman was attacked during a robbery at her home in the area.

The arrests were made in the greater Belfast area on Thursday in relation to robberies, burglaries and car crime. well would ya look at that even more arrests!! and all thses people have been charged and not left off lightely.i would call that a success.it saved peoples lives didnt it?

[Vox Populi]

How is Sinn Fein responsible?

[unitedireland]

all these arrsts came after january 2007. the date sinn fein agreed to support the policing and since then a MAJOR crackdown on crime has commenced. new tactics and new units have been brought in,its all part of the policing board stepping up its fight on crime.after all arnt sinn féin on the policing board and have a say??

[Vox Populi]

The only new units I have seen is the new unit that has been set up to work with MI5.

Is this what you're referring to?

[unitedireland]

no i am referring to the anti-car crime unit set up in may 2007!
to tackle the problem of joyriding,ans swapping and selling of illegally owned vehicles in the north.

[Vox Populi]

no i am referring to the anti-car crime unit set up in may 2007!
to tackle the problem of joyriding,ans swapping and selling of illegally owned vehicles in the north.Sinn Fein joined the Policing Board on the 31st of May.

[unitedireland]

and your point being??

they agrred to join in april 24th!! and showed there interest since january of that year.

are you telling me that the policing board didnt know they were going to join?

[Irish Republican Patriot]

Ah, so the Extraordinary Ard-Fheis didn't make the decision at all then, it was sewn up long before then?

[robertemmett]

United Ireland, why are you so interested in proving the effectiveness of the PSNIUC?? they pay press officers and spin doctors tens of thousands of pounds a year to do that for them.

why do you feel the need to do the job for them for nothing?

do you really think the police are any better at their job just because psf have reconciled themselves to british government in ireland for the forseeable future. but that doesnt mean every little thing the cops do is magic.

even if you were to detract any republican analysis from the psniuc, if they up held english, french, indian law.... they are still ****. ****.

with absoutely no % of crime dectection. they are complete waste of tax payers money. for example look at the number of orange halls burnt. has the cops got anyone for it.

the only thing they the psniuc are good at is dectecting people driving at 34 mph in 30 zones or driving without tax... you know hardened criminals.

and they havent improved one iota since sf's manners lesson started 6 months ago.

[Vox Populi]

and your point being??

they agrred to join in april 24th!! and showed there interest since january of that year.

are you telling me that the policing board didnt know they were going to join?But you're holding Sinn Fein responsible for miracle feat that occured before they joined the policing board.

[unitedireland]

well i am a shinner and i will promote the change in the psniuc as you call it.if i didnt believe that supporting the police was tthe right move then i would support sinn féin,they had no other choice did they? they had to support in order to show the D.U.P what they are willing to do to join forces sharing power with them.but they didnt just do it to show the D.U.P they did it as to the catholic/nationalist community that there is no more hate/sectarianism as a party representing them has a say in its the psniucs activities. and as for hardened criminals dont make a joke of it dangerous driving,speeding,driving without insuarance,driving without a licence can all be killers not just the terrorist in the dark corner with the gun!!

[unitedireland]

maybe so but i think that they stepped up there game since they heard that sinn féin was putting forward people for the policing boards!!

[robertemmett]

they havent stepped up their game at all, if anything its stepped down to test how far sinn fein are really committed to english law in ireland.

[Irish Republican Patriot]

"they had to support in order to show the D.U.P what they are willing to do to join forces sharing power with them.but they didnt just do it to show the D.U.P they did it as to the catholic/nationalist community that there is no more hate/sectarianism as a party"

Oh they showed what they were willing to do to "share power" all right: abandon every Republican principle they had, along with their backbone, and paint themselves light Orange! As for your second point, the DUP are the most sectarian scum the stolen six is cursed with, and its only you eeejits who can't seem to see that!

"maybe so but i think that they stepped up there game since they heard that sinn féin was putting forward people for the policing boards!!"

Thank you for sharing my view that Sir Gerry Adams runs his party from top to bottom and makes all its decisions. What do you mean "they stepped up their game"? What do you mean by that? Some examples maybe please.

[Comrade Ryan]

all these arrsts came after january 2007. the date sinn fein agreed to support the policing and since then a MAJOR crackdown on crime has commenced. new tactics and new units have been brought in,its all part of the policing board stepping up its fight on crime.after all arnt sinn féin on the policing board and have a say??


This guys a laugh.

All arrests after their policing decision are theirs to claim. Lets take that to its logical conclusion then - areSF directly responsible for the arrests and raids on those alleged to be 'dissidents'?

[unitedireland]

as in a crackdown on crime and theres no place for sarcasm in republicanism lol

[Comrade Ryan]

and your point being??

they agrred to join in april 24th!! and showed there interest since january of that year.

are you telling me that the policing board didnt know they were going to join?

Are you telling us they did? That'd be a major breach in party procedure if the policing board knew before party structures.

Are you also telling us that SF influenced policing board decisions and PSNI operational concerns prior to their joining the policing board?

If so they should have kept up what they were doing bacuse they lost that influence upon joining.

[unitedireland]

come on now ryan do theres no point in making stupid questions!! ya sinn féin are the ones knocking at the doors of drug dealers dissident thievs scumbags and hoods!!

[Comrade Ryan]

maybe so but i think that they stepped up there game since they heard that sinn féin was putting forward people for the policing boards!!

No logic here. Next...

[Comrade Ryan]

come on now ryan do theres no point in making stupid questions!! ya sinn féin are the ones knocking at the doors of drug dealers dissident thievs scumbags and hoods!!

Can you say that again in a way that can actually be read and understood?:hmmm:

[East Tyrone]

This guys a laugh.

All arrests after their policing decision are theirs to claim. Lets take that to its logical conclusion then - areSF directly responsible for the arrests and raids on those alleged to be 'dissidents'?

I think the poster may well be crediting Sinn Féin with too much influence over recent successes in the fight against crime. Nonetheless, Sinn Féin's efforts to change attitiudes within the Nationalist community have lead to a greater willingness to report crime and cooperate in police investigations. This has, no doubt, increased detection levels and and improved police effectiveness.
On the subject of those alleged to be dissidents, I can hardly see how that has anything to do with Sinn Féin; it's not like these people would associate with Sinn Féin members or have them in their confidence. Increased police presence and increased public acceptance will limit the capacity for both criminals and so-called dissidents to operate. The vast majority of the population wish to have neither criminals nor armed gangs at work within their communities.

[unitedireland]

what are you stupid you cant understand this language you speak?? i guess so!!!!!!! stop talking **** and see the ligh ye will never get anywhere with guns the provos have proved that. and ye are to blind to see it.look at the bigger picture its 1 island the world doesnt revolve around the north as you may think!! and dont say the R.I.R.A are stepping up ther fight on imperialism because when or even if they do nothing major is going to happen yer organisation is to small just forget about it.the people down souht think ye are a sad bunch of kids and just laugh there wholes off at ye for **** sake wise up.


the end thats all i have to say on this matter! to many dissidents lol.

[Comrade Ryan]

I think the poster may well be crediting Sinn Féin with too much influence over recent successes in the fight against crime. Nonetheless, Sinn Féin's efforts to change attitiudes within the Nationalist community have lead to a greater willingness to report crime and cooperate in police investigations. This has, no doubt, increased detection levels and and improved police effectiveness.
On the subject of those alleged to be dissidents, I can hardly see how that has anything to do with Sinn Féin; it's not like these people would associate with Sinn Féin members or have them in their confidence. Increased police presence and increased public acceptance will limit the capacity for both criminals and so-called dissidents to operate. The vast majority of the population wish to have neither criminals nor armed gangs at work within their communities.

Well the point I was making was ET, directed at our incoherent friend 'unitedireland'.

If, as was asserted by this poster, any arrests after SF joined the policing board were attributed to SF, as this person was incredibly implying, then they would also have to be held responsible for the arrests, raids and assaults on 'alleged' dissidents. Remember the word 'alleged' folks?

unitedireland can't have ot both ways, you can't claim credit for the positive whilst distancing yourself from the negative.

Et, I don't get your point about so-called dissidents not taking SF people into their confidence, etc? What relevance is that?

Surely it doesn't imply that the only way SF would have a role in their targeting would be as a result of being taken into their confidence, etc, if so major questions have to be asked about how the contribute to the arrests of drug dealers, car thieves, etc?

[Comrade Ryan]

what are you stupid you cant understand this language you speak?? i guess so!!!!!!! stop talking **** and see the ligh ye will never get anywhere with guns the provos have proved that. and ye are to blind to see it.look at the bigger picture its 1 island the world doesnt revolve around the north as you may think!! and dont say the R.I.R.A are stepping up ther fight on imperialism because when or even if they do nothing major is going to happen yer organisation is to small just forget about it.the people down souht think ye are a sad bunch of kids and just laugh there wholes off at ye for **** sake wise up.


the end thats all i have to say on this matter! to many dissidents lol.

Well goodness me the intelligence just jumps off the page when you read this guys posts.

First off, how about a little poll? Let's see how stupid we all are. Can I ask people to answer YES or NO to this question?

Does this sentence make much sense?

"come on now ryan do theres no point in making stupid questions!! ya sinn féin are the ones knocking at the doors of drug dealers dissident thievs scumbags and hoods!!"

Secondly, I know you are new around here, but if you hang around you'll find that I don't support the RIRA or CIRA, so the rest of your post is pointless.

[unitedireland]

i said that last part sarcastically you tool as in "ya rite they are the ones knocking at the doors of criminals" you spastic i hardly think they are actually knocking at doors now doesnt that make you look stupid?? does that make sense to yo? you actually thought i was serious did you not notice my other sarcastic comments or are you blind aswell as ignorant??

and if you are the ryan i know i am correct in my sstatement as a "dissident"

[East Tyrone]

Et, I don't get your point about so-called dissidents not taking SF people into their confidence, etc? What relevance is that?

Surely it doesn't imply that the only way SF would have a role in their targeting would be as a result of being taken into their confidence, etc, if so major questions have to be asked about how the contribute to the arrests of drug dealers, car thieves, etc?

Comrade it is entirely relevant in that you cannot imply that Sinn Féin has anything to do with the arrest or raiding of so-called dissidents. Maybe I misread you and you weren't trying to imply that.
Whilst I wouldn't agree with the emphasis that United Ireland places on Sinn Féin's contribution to policing successes, I would say that Sinn Féin's efforts to deliver acceptable policing to Nationalist communities has resulted in greater community-police cooperation and, therefore, more effective policing.

[Hildy]

what are you stupid you cant understand this language you speak?? i guess so!!!!!!! stop talking **** and see the ligh ye will never get anywhere with guns the provos have proved that. and ye are to blind to see it.look at the bigger picture its 1 island the world doesnt revolve around the north as you may think!! and dont say the R.I.R.A are stepping up ther fight on imperialism because when or even if they do nothing major is going to happen yer organisation is to small just forget about it.the people down souht think ye are a sad bunch of kids and just laugh there wholes off at ye for **** sake wise up.


the end thats all i have to say on this matter! to many dissidents lol.



unitedireland, welcome to the forum. We can always use another SF supporter around here. I'm afraid you are getting indoctrinated by our finest member on the anti-SF panel. Comrade Ryan is very eloquent in his responses to threads and is testing yer worth as a debator, as he falls into the 'master debator' category around here. But don't let him put you off, you will learn not to get 'heated' and flustered at him and will eventually enjoy sparring with him. He writes very intelligent posts and I respect his knowledge on a myriad of subjects, its just too bad he is so misguided in his political beliefshttp://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s6/hildydonovan/Emoticons/add1_happy.gif(sorry CR just had to add in one wee dig for the sake of levity).....but all in all he does listen to what you have to say and gives some thought to his responses BEFORE he cleverly lets you know you don't know what yer talking about.

Anyway, I think I understand what point you were trying to convey about SF's pivotal influence on what is happening with the reformation of the PSNI. I think they have done a lot of hard work trying to reach the nationalist community and educate them as to how working with the police is in their best interest. That the police need to be held accountable and restrictions placed on them for various nefarious dealings with the community. It will be an on-going process but if the community gets on-board, crucial changes and major strides are being made to gain confidence in them, with the goal of attaining a transparent police force that will do good for the community.

Again, welcome and hang in there!

Slan, Hildy

[Comrade Ryan]

i said that last part sarcastically you tool as in "ya rite they are the ones knocking at the doors of criminals" you spastic i hardly think they are actually knocking at doors now doesnt that make you look stupid?? does that make sense to yo? you actually thought i was serious did you not notice my other sarcastic comments or are you blind aswell as ignorant??

and if you are the ryan i know i am correct in my sstatement as a "dissident"

Firstly, I am saying it doesn't make sense to read. I can't comment on the argument or wit as of yet due to the terrible grammar, etc, which makes it virtually impossible to distinguish what you are actually attempting to communicate.

I don't like your use of the word 'spastic' by the way.

Given that you obviously re-read your statement and still couldn't discern that it didn't really make much sense, I would argue that it isn't I who appears stupid.

Thus I couldn't determine if you were serious as it just appeared a jibberish.

I am not the Ryan you know, thank god, and you should also note that your aggressively labelling me as a 'dissident' is against the rules here.

So keep it up, I wish you a short stay.

[Irish Republican Patriot]

"come on now ryan do theres no point in making stupid questions!! ya sinn féin are the ones knocking at the doors of drug dealers dissident thievs scumbags and hoods!!"

Aye, to sign them up and boost their membership as true Republicans increasingly see them for what they really are. Typical Adams Faction dismissal of opposing viewpoints as well.

[unitedireland]

goood man ryan great point talk soon darling

[Comrade Ryan]

Comrade it is entirely relevant in that you cannot imply that Sinn Féin has anything to do with the arrest or raiding of so-called dissidents. Maybe I misread you and you weren't trying to imply that..

I think you did misread this. I was not aiming that at you. It was aimed at UI who was claiming that all the arrests of criminals after the Ard Fheis was down to SF's good work.

I was stating that if this was true, which it is clearly ludicrous, then they must be responsible for everything including the raids and arrests of alleged 'dissidents'. I do not believe they are wholly responsible for any of this, I was just demonstrating that the poster involved was talking rubbish, thats all.


Whilst I wouldn't agree with the emphasis that United Ireland places on Sinn Féin's contribution to policing successes, I would say that Sinn Féin's efforts to deliver acceptable policing to Nationalist communities has resulted in greater community-police cooperation and, therefore, more effective policing.

Well i've yet to see this cooperation and improvement in action, but i'll wait and watch.

[Comrade Ryan]

unitedireland, welcome to the forum. We can always use another SF supporter around here. I'm afraid you are getting indoctrinated by our finest member on the anti-SF panel. Comrade Ryan is very eloquent in his responses to threads and is testing yer worth as a debator, as he falls into the 'master debator' category around here. But don't let him put you off, you will learn not to get 'heated' and flustered at him and will eventually enjoy sparring with him. He writes very intelligent posts and I respect his knowledge on a myriad of subjects, its just too bad he is so misguided in his political beliefshttp://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s6/hildydonovan/Emoticons/add1_happy.gif(sorry CR just had to add in one wee dig for the sake of levity).....but all in all he does listen to what you have to say and gives some thought to his responses BEFORE he cleverly lets you know you don't know what yer talking about.

Anyway, I think I understand what point you were trying to convey about SF's pivotal influence on what is happening with the reformation of the PSNI. I think they have done a lot of hard work trying to reach the nationalist community and educate them as to how working with the police is in their best interest. That the police need to be held accountable and restrictions placed on them for various nefarious dealings with the community. It will be an on-going process but if the community gets on-board, crucial changes and major strides are being made to gain confidence in them, with the goal of attaining a transparent police force that will do good for the community.

Again, welcome and hang in there!

Slan, Hildy

I will not be deterred by your charm offensive Hildy - not one bit- well maybe a bit.

:icon_redface:

[Comrade Ryan]

goood man ryan great point talk soon darling

Which of the very many good points did you enjoy the most?

[Comrade Ryan]

unitedireland, welcome to the forum. We can always use another SF supporter around here. I'm afraid you are getting indoctrinated by our finest member on the anti-SF panel. Comrade Ryan is very eloquent in his responses to threads and is testing yer worth as a debator, as he falls into the 'master debator' category around here. But don't let him put you off, you will learn not to get 'heated' and flustered at him and will eventually enjoy sparring with him. He writes very intelligent posts and I respect his knowledge on a myriad of subjects, its just too bad he is so misguided in his political beliefshttp://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s6/hildydonovan/Emoticons/add1_happy.gif(sorry CR just had to add in one wee dig for the sake of levity).....but all in all he does listen to what you have to say and gives some thought to his responses BEFORE he cleverly lets you know you don't know what yer talking about.

Anyway, I think I understand what point you were trying to convey about SF's pivotal influence on what is happening with the reformation of the PSNI. I think they have done a lot of hard work trying to reach the nationalist community and educate them as to how working with the police is in their best interest. That the police need to be held accountable and restrictions placed on them for various nefarious dealings with the community. It will be an on-going process but if the community gets on-board, crucial changes and major strides are being made to gain confidence in them, with the goal of attaining a transparent police force that will do good for the community.

Again, welcome and hang in there!

Slan, Hildy


By the way Hildy, I'm going for a new job soon , any chance of a reference?

[JPL]

lol..

[Hildy]

By the way Hildy, I'm going for a new job soon , any chance of a reference?

Can I lie?:icon_lol: Seriously I would give you the greatest of recommendations! You're class EVEN if you are on the wrong side!http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s6/hildydonovan/Emoticons/add1_zustimm.gif

[Comrade Ryan]

Can I lie?:icon_lol: Seriously I would give you the greatest of recommendations! You're class EVEN if you are on the wrong side!http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s6/hildydonovan/Emoticons/add1_zustimm.gif

Oh my god - this is almost enough to convert me.

How can people who are so nice be wrong?

Oh yeah I remember now...