I.N.L.A drugs,murder and general crime?

[unitedireland]

INLA working every angle of crime GARDA sources say that the INLA "has its finger in literally every pie" when it comes to criminality in Dublin. The group makes its money on a day to day basis by extorting cash from businesses across the capital. A company is approached and told that it has to pay a certain amount each week to ensure it is "protected". People feel they have little option but to pay.

Those who have refused have found their homes firebombed, family members beaten and . . . in four cases last year . . . murdered.

The INLA supplies bouncers and security guards to dozens of pubs and clubs in Dublin and also receives payments from drug dealers in order to let them operate free from threats and intimidation.

In some areas INLA members will deal heroin and cocaine themselves over the heads of established dealers and will use violence to force them out and claim the turf for themselves. The sale of pipe bombs and hand grenades brings in significant sums.

The most recent fundraising initiative involve them buying the drug debts of petty addicts from small to medium dealers. If an addict owes /10,000 the INLA adds around 5,000 to the principal and warns that if the debt is not paid they will be murdered.

Gardai have identified several cases where the parents of addicts have had to remortgage their houses in order to pay the drug debt because they are terrified of what might happen if the bill is not settled.

Gardai have had success against them.

Last November they arrested a man carrying an AK-47 in a bag on Camden Street with 21 rounds of ammunition. The previous month members of the Special Branch swooped on a premises in Stanhope Street and discovered three pipe bombs, two handguns and ammunition as well as balaclavas and fake security guard uniforms :whip:

[McDaid--1916]

INLA working every angle of crime GARDA sources say that the INLA "has its finger in literally every pie" when it comes to criminality in Dublin. The group makes its money on a day to day basis by extorting cash from businesses across the capital. A company is approached and told that it has to pay a certain amount each week to ensure it is "protected". People feel they have little option but to pay.

Those who have refused have found their homes firebombed, family members beaten and . . . in four cases last year . . . murdered.

The INLA supplies bouncers and security guards to dozens of pubs and clubs in Dublin and also receives payments from drug dealers in order to let them operate free from threats and intimidation.

In some areas INLA members will deal heroin and cocaine themselves over the heads of established dealers and will use violence to force them out and claim the turf for themselves. The sale of pipe bombs and hand grenades brings in significant sums.

The most recent fundraising initiative involve them buying the drug debts of petty addicts from small to medium dealers. If an addict owes /10,000 the INLA adds around 5,000 to the principal and warns that if the debt is not paid they will be murdered.

Gardai have identified several cases where the parents of addicts have had to remortgage their houses in order to pay the drug debt because they are terrified of what might happen if the bill is not settled.

Gardai have had success against them.

Last November they arrested a man carrying an AK-47 in a bag on Camden Street with 21 rounds of ammunition. The previous month members of the Special Branch swooped on a premises in Stanhope Street and discovered three pipe bombs, two handguns and ammunition as well as balaclavas and fake security guard uniforms :whip:

This coulnt be the INLA according to people oin this forum the INLA have never or would never go near drugs...

This must be the work of the provos lol:icon_laugh:

[unitedireland]

This coulnt be the INLA according to people oin this forum the INLA have never or would never go near drugs...

This must be the work of the provos lol:icon_laugh:

well i am certainly not saying everything in this statement is true after all it is the media,but who knows only the "volunteers" of the socaialist movement.and no doubt someone on here is going to say and what about the [provos in the 80s and early 90s :icon_laugh:

[mac_talla]

Considering what gets bandied about in the press as relates to Provos....I tend to keep to the philosophy of believe only some of what you see and none of what you hear/read. :hmmm:

[unitedireland]

thats true wordof mouth is nothing to go by its actions that would make the decision for me but after all i drove through the ballymount industral estate the day after the "ballymount bloodbath" and the cops had drugs in a bag it looked like cannabis several hundred ounces of it,the gardai came out with roughly 20 odd bags lying on the floor but who knows who they belonged to maybe a drug deal gone bad or maybe the ASU went to sort out the drug dealing scumbags on the spot but who knows all i know is that patrick "paddy bo" campbell lost his life that that but was it worth it??

[Hildy]

This coulnt be the INLA according to people oin this forum the INLA have never or would never go near drugs...

This must be the work of the provos lol:icon_laugh:


Good one McDaid! Funny but true on this forum!:icon_lol:

mac_talla, I like you assessment, and I agree!:eusa_clap:


But I did read in various articles, even some on Indymedia that the INLA has driven a few drug operations out of town and that they were doing this for the good of the community, yet it seems they possibly could have done this for their own gain, and to control and monopolize the drug trade for themselves.

[Mellows1922]

Considering what gets bandied about in the press as relates to Provos....I tend to keep to the philosophy of believe only some of what you see and none of what you hear/read. :hmmm:

Exactly, it also has no place in the Sinn Fein section, as soon as I can figure out how to move it I will.

An awful lot of nonsense gets bandied about regarding the RSM and drugs but I've yet to see anything approaching concrete evidence, I certainly wouldn't be taking the word of the establishment press.

Is there a link to the article ?

[unitedireland]

http://www.tribune.ie/article.tvt?_scope=Tribune/News/Home%20News&id=81877&SUBCAT=Tribune/News/Home%20News&SUBCATNAME=

here you go mellows22 i didnt mean to put it in the sinn féin forum but i will move it soon!!

[Ernie O'Malley]

It seems as we have spent days emersed in a slanderous argumentitive thread on almost the same issue with no proof of one single claim forwarded and as this is an establishmentarian atttempt to hurt the INLA and stunt the growth of the RSM it has no place on the main forum either in my opinion.

[unitedireland]

ya well i moved it to the irish republican socialist movement forum okay?

[Koneko]

thnx ui, now we have two of the same threads in two different forums. One needs deleted. Let the mods decide which one.

[unitedireland]

i know its a bit awkward i think we should delete this thread and keep the one in I.R.S.P forum!!


and btw im new here cut me some slack:eusa_dance:

[Koneko]

lol, thnx for trying to help. you're ok. i deleted the other.

[unitedireland]

good man!! i didnt know about the way you had different forums to post a thread but i do now:icon_laugh:

so can i ask what is your opinion on this subject??

[quirk]

If the INLA were involved to this extent in the drugs trade do people not think that there would be at least one of their members either convicted or even before the court on such charges. If there is so much clear evidence of this as some seem to think then why is this not the case? People must remember that the people making these claims are the same ones who have refered to the IRA as criminals and bandits for years. If people use their common sense and dont believe that the IRA was involved in drugs and prostitution then how can they be so quick to assume there must be truth in these claims.

In my opinion it is all rubbish to back what is a clear clamp down upon the RSM.

[unitedireland]

If the INLA were involved to this extent in the drugs trade do people not think that there would be at least one of their members either convicted or even before the court on such charges. If there is so much clear evidence of this as some seem to think then why is this not the case? People must remember that the people making these claims are the same ones who have refered to the IRA as criminals and bandits for years. If people use their common sense and dont believe that the IRA was involved in drugs and prostitution then how can they be so quick to assume there must be truth in these claims.

In my opinion it is all rubbish to back what is a clear clamp down upon the RSM.

i agree i wouldnt believe a word these people are saying but as i said i cannot make a decision on this subject.

[quirk]

i agree i wouldnt believe a word these people are saying but as i said i cannot make a decision on this subject.

But would you have made a decision on the subject 15 years ago when such allegations were made about the IRA? I think in the absence of any reliable evidence to support these claims we should conclude that they are wrong.

[Hessian Peel]

I object to any of these threads being moved to the IRSM forum. They're an insult to all Republican Socialist activists and supporters. I would question the motives of those who continue to regurgitate this gutter press propaganda. It's easy for these scumbags to slander the INLA. Since it's a secret organisation they know there is unlikely to be any repercussions.

But the aim of this smear campaign is not to harm the INLA; it's a pathetic attempt to stunt the growth of the IRSP, particularly in the South. The Southern authorities do not want to see the growth of the RSM in the North repeated in the South and so will do all they can to harm the movement. Well, unfortunately for them, the IRSP and the RSYM in the Free State are going nowhere.

P.S. Please remove this crap from the IRSM forum. Thanks.

[Hildy]

But would you have made a decision on the subject 15 years ago when such allegations were made about the IRA? I think in the absence of any reliable evidence to support these claims we should conclude that they are wrong.

You are correct quirk, and we have seen no evidence to the contrary. So its all speculation, hyperbole and ballyhoo, which goes the same for rumours saying that so-called ex-IRA members are involved in drugs and drug gangs. I'm sure there are some individuals in all these groups that are using or selling drugs for their own profit and use. But to define the entire group by a few individuals is assinine, IMO.

[unitedireland]

Thats A Great Point Hildy:bow:

[unitedireland]

It is feared that if the growth of the INLA in the North and the Republic continues, the IMC will have little option but to declare its ceasefire over, which would have considerable political implications.


just wondering what are peoples opinions on this subject??

[Hessian Peel]

They're seeking justification in advance for the intensification of discrimination against the RSM.

The INLA's ceasefire is firmly intact, and until the INLA releases a statement to the contrary it will presumably remain so.

[unitedireland]

but not if the IMC has its say.and the only thing that brought this to light was the fact that declan "whacker" duffy was caught in a house in tallagh with what the gardai believed to be an A.S.U and a 21-year old man tied up in a bath tub and screaming in agony the attack was brought about by trying to get the youth to extort money from his father a prominant dublin businessman.


The Independent Monitoring Commission (IMC), which records the activities of "terrorist" groups, also expressed concern about the recent growth of the INLA in its last report.

"Members have been heavily involved in a range of serious criminal activity north and south, in the case of the latter, apparently with greater energy than in the recent past, albeit for personal gain, " it said.

the only reason the IMC would call their ceasefire off is because prominent members were allegedly involved in serious crime and even drug deals according to some papers!!

but as i said i wouldnt believe everything i see ya no??

[Hessian Peel]

Then why do you keep posting this crap?

[Mellows1922]

but not if the IMC has its say.and the only thing that brought this to light was the fact that declan "whacker" duffy was caught in a house in tallagh with what the gardai believed to be an A.S.U and a 21-year old man tied up in a bath tub and screaming in agony the attack was brought about by trying to get the youth to extort money from his father a prominant dublin businessman.


The Independent Monitoring Commission (IMC), which records the activities of "terrorist" groups, also expressed concern about the recent growth of the INLA in its last report.

"Members have been heavily involved in a range of serious criminal activity north and south, in the case of the latter, apparently with greater energy than in the recent past, albeit for personal gain, " it said.

the only reason the IMC would call their ceasefire off is because prominent members were allegedly involved in serious crime and even drug deals according to some papers!!

but as i said i wouldnt believe everything i see ya no??

But the IMC have zero credibility.

[Hessian Peel]

Yup.

[unitedireland]

im trying to open peoples eyes to the media and the stories they sometimes create,

in no single way am i trying to beat down the I.N.L.A but i want people to see what the media has said about the organisation and let them make their own mind up about the subject!!

[unitedireland]

i never said they had did i??

[Hessian Peel]

im trying to open peoples eyes to the media and the stories they sometimes create


My eyes are wide open, but thanks all the same love.

[unitedireland]

love?

[Hessian Peel]

Oh??

[unitedireland]

are you a female just asking?

[Hessian Peel]

Why would that matter?

[unitedireland]

it doesnt matter we are getting off the topic anyway and thats not allowed.

[Hildy]

My only response to this whole thread is this is just a sample of what SF supporters have to go through on a daily basis having to defend their party on almost every thread. So I'm glad that unitedireland is bringing these issues to the forefront if they are being questioned in the media and on the street. And now you have to defend yer preferred party as well, especially if the claims are not substantiated! It gets tiring to say the least, and its also annoying!

So, Enver, now you know how it feels! :P::tease:

Yer still my buddy, tho!!:p

[Ernie O'Malley]

Though the tag of Criminality is the filthiest dirtiest most offensive slur against a republican and it is unjustified in the case of the RSM, I was looking over the INLA roll of Honour there and although criminality allegations against the INLA began in funnily enough in December 1975 there is not one name on that list of names who would have stood for anything less than true freedom socialism and republicanism, I have often found it saddening and maddening that to be a good INLA Volunteer in the eyes of many you have to be a Dead one...It shouldnt be like that.

[eghzarw]

Considering what gets bandied about in the press as relates to Provos....I tend to keep to the philosophy of believe only some of what you see and none of what you hear/read. :hmmm:

A wise attitude, indeed.

[soldier of life]

plz show me more evidence than a stupid biased article like this crap.anyone here see and report the inla for drug activities?has a member ever been convicted?stop this slandering ****e its pathetic

[comrade jsams]

The INLA are not drug dealers infact they are trying to stop it.

[Jerry_Corneilus]

INLA working every angle of crime GARDA sources say that the INLA "has its finger in literally every pie" when it comes to criminality in Dublin. The group makes its money on a day to day basis by extorting cash from businesses across the capital. A company is approached and told that it has to pay a certain amount each week to ensure it is "protected". People feel they have little option but to pay.

Those who have refused have found their homes firebombed, family members beaten and . . . in four cases last year . . . murdered.

The INLA supplies bouncers and security guards to dozens of pubs and clubs in Dublin and also receives payments from drug dealers in order to let them operate free from threats and intimidation.

In some areas INLA members will deal heroin and cocaine themselves over the heads of established dealers and will use violence to force them out and claim the turf for themselves. The sale of pipe bombs and hand grenades brings in significant sums.

The most recent fundraising initiative involve them buying the drug debts of petty addicts from small to medium dealers. If an addict owes /10,000 the INLA adds around 5,000 to the principal and warns that if the debt is not paid they will be murdered.

Gardai have identified several cases where the parents of addicts have had to remortgage their houses in order to pay the drug debt because they are terrified of what might happen if the bill is not settled.

Gardai have had success against them.

Last November they arrested a man carrying an AK-47 in a bag on Camden Street with 21 rounds of ammunition. The previous month members of the Special Branch swooped on a premises in Stanhope Street and discovered three pipe bombs, two handguns and ammunition as well as balaclavas and fake security guard uniforms :whip:



Don't dispute the INLA is involved in serious crime, revolutionary groups need funds, these days robbing banks is far more difficult.

The Garda are institutionally corrupt and its difficult to believe anything they say at face value.

If the INLA are serious players in the drugs industry, surely it would not be that difficult for the garda to gather the information via an operation ?

And support their claims.

I doubt the INLA are bigger players in the drugs industry then corrupt garda.


And if the INLA are such serious players surly they would be involved in importation and manufacture ?

If you have the ability to illegally import firearms, then you have the ability to import drugs.


And what drug dealer would give an addict 10k worth of credit ?

"The sale of pipe bombs brings in significant funds"............yer right.

[Éire32CS]

Another attempt to further smear the IRSM which unfortunatly alot of people will take to heart in the mainstream public

[derryirp]

Here's a fact: During the history of the entire RSM in over 30 years of existence and thousands of raids, arrests, imprisonments NOT ONE SINGLE member of the IRSP or INLA have ever been found with, charged with, convicted of drugs.

I would be very confident that if the INLA were in any way involved the evidence would have been produced by now.

[soldier of life]

amen

[kildare brigade]

thats true

[inchicore_republican]

As an anti drugs activist in Dublin I have been threatened with the INLA by drug dealers on numerous occasions, the RSM should do more to stop drug dealers using their name because a lot of people were I live assume that the drug dealers have protection from the INLA.

[Red Revolutionary]

As an anti drugs activist in Dublin I have been threatened with the INLA by drug dealers on numerous occasions, the RSM should do more to stop drug dealers using their name because a lot of people were I live assume that the drug dealers have protection from the INLA.

Thats the truth, the scum who use thier name and slander the nobel name of the IRSM need stopping.

[redflag32]

As an anti drugs activist in Dublin I have been threatened with the INLA by drug dealers on numerous occasions, the RSM should do more to stop drug dealers using their name because a lot of people were I live assume that the drug dealers have protection from the INLA.

Out of interest, what time frame are we talking about when these threats were made against you?

[soldier of life]

i imagine what inchicore experienced is quite possible!and im sure others would have seen the same,scumbags like this should be dealt with accordingly

[inchicore_republican]

The anti drugs movement has died down most of the threats against me were made in the late nineties at the height of the movements activity.At the moment people will believe anything and they believe drug dealers like Fat Freddy have the protection of the INLA or the Provos.As I said in another forum the RSM should put a leaflet out or call a public meeting in the South Inner City to reassure the community.

[ciaranxavier]

The anti drugs movement has died down most of the threats against me were made in the late nineties at the height of the movements activity.At the moment people will believe anything and they believe drug dealers like Fat Freddy have the protection of the INLA or the Provos.As I said in another forum the RSM should put a leaflet out or call a public meeting in the South Inner City to reassure the community.

or people should do some research instead of forming their opinions through some dealers mouth.

[mickyk200]

lol I.N.L.A-sex drugs and rock&roll republicanism

[East Tyrone]

lol I.N.L.A-sex drugs and rock&roll republicanism
:icon_lol: Funny you should mention that, there's a bit in the book 'INLA Deadly Divisions' which mentions Gerard Steenson catching the clapp from Harry Kirkpatrick's wife. Very high caliber of activist in the auld irps alright.

[scarface]

:icon_lol: Funny you should mention that, there's a bit in the book 'INLA Deadly Divisions' which mentions Gerard Steenson catching the clapp from Harry Kirkpatrick's wife. Very high caliber of activist in the auld irps alright.

yes because that book was a goldmine of facts

[Brian_Boru]

to add a bit of objectivity,it would be possible for the INLA to "TAX"criminals.and frankly it is naive to think this sort of thing doesnt happen,i have worked as a doorman around dublin for years and the whole door security industry is controlled by republicans behind the scenes,through exthortion and other methods.

[inchicore_republican]

Sorry lads not tonight,regulars only,dont know your face.

[Young Irelander]

If the Socalist Republican Movement want such claims that they are not involved in the drugs trade in any relevant way, then they should reach out to the working class republican areas thay seek to represent, drugs is a big social problem, the introduction of drugs brought a new fight to republicans, people trying to ruin the lives of nationalists/republicans, it is up to the next generation of Irish Republicans to destroy the drugs trade and to win back the streets of the working class areas of Eire...

[belfast rep]

If no -one has any proof that the RSM are involved in dealing, can we close this, it wasting space and boring the arse of me

[redflag32]

Agreed, this thread is nothing but fabricated slander and it should be removed or the title of it changed.

[mickyk200]

Agreed, this thread is nothing but fabricated slander and it should be removed or the title of it changed.

i agree, to criminalize one group is to criminalize them all

[RSF-Fianoglach]

not realy mickey,the only way there could be a blanket style criminalisation would be if you tried to criminalise the fight for freedom,that is the only common ground between republican groups,so if one or anothher is acting in a criminal way then they share sole responsibility for there actions not all republicans.the only people here defending the INLA are the IRSP advocates who are firstly biased and secondly more than likely not in the "know"

[mickyk200]

not realy mickey,the only way there could be a blanket style criminalisation would be if you tried to criminalise the fight for freedom,that is the only common ground between republican groups,so if one or anothher is acting in a criminal way then they share sole responsibility for there actions not all republicans.the only people here defending the INLA are the IRSP advocates who are firstly biased and secondly more than likely not in the "know"

surely to see one as criminals is to see them all as criminals. Their meathods are diverse but there aims and targets are similar if not the same. I find it funny that a RSFer is attempting to justify criminalizing any republican group for their meathods

[RSF-Fianoglach]

i am not criminalising anybody just highlighting the distinction between different armed groups if you criminalise one republican group for fighting the brits then you criminalise them all as this is a common goal,but if one of the republican groups participates in criminality then it is only that particular group that would be criminalised.now do you get it?

[Vox Populi]

not realy mickey,the only way there could be a blanket style criminalisation would be if you tried to criminalise the fight for freedom,that is the only common ground between republican groups,so if one or anothher is acting in a criminal way then they share sole responsibility for there actions not all republicans.the only people here defending the INLA are the IRSP advocates who are firstly biased and secondly more than likely not in the "know"But you are? What would you know? If you have evidence of INLA drug dealing, forward to the movement.

[belfast rep]

not realy mickey,the only way there could be a blanket style criminalisation would be if you tried to criminalise the fight for freedom,that is the only common ground between republican groups,so if one or anothher is acting in a criminal way then they share sole responsibility for there actions not all republicans.the only people here defending the INLA are the IRSP advocates who are firstly biased and secondly more than likely not in the "know"

I am hardly an advocate of the RSM, but i do like evidence, and if you have none you need to put up or shut up
Or is the S in IRSP that has got your knickers in a twist:hmmm:

[RSF-Fianoglach]

i never made any claims against INLA,so i have nothing to prove,i didnt start this thread,INLA are involved in protection rackets all over dublin any of you who think other wise are just naive.

[belfast rep]

i never made any claims against INLA,so i have nothing to prove,i didnt start this thread,INLA are involved in protection rackets all over dublin any of you who think other wise are just naive.
Once again product evidence. i would loved it to be proven, but all your doing is exposing your own bias,
your do know that two RSF aligned prisoners were recently sentenced ( plead guilty to ) for extortion, were any members of the INLA?
Ah god no i have started taking part in this mind numbing piontless thread,
I still think its the S in IRSP that gets your knickers in a twist

[RSF-Fianoglach]

no belfast rep i have alot of respect for the INLA,AND further more i think there justified in taking money from fat cat night club owners who exploit people daily.you are very wrong on your opinions of me BEL REP.

Evidence:hmmm:????

[Hessian Peel]

no belfast rep i have alot of respect for the INLA

No you don't. You're an anti-Communist and xenophobic bigot.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

enver shut your trap,you anti semite anti religious bigot.your a nobody who knows nothin

[no one]

tomas man, please.... stop with all this.

its like every other thread i look at your attacking someone.. you talk all this trash about socialists, why are you even in the IRSP subforum attacking people?

enver, why do you push his buttons, you know hell only react this way?

keep it to discussion kiddies and not this drama bullocks.

[Vox Populi]

i think there justified in taking money from fat cat night club ownersWhen and where? Could you please forward this evidence onto 392 Falls Road, Belfast.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

no vox why would i do that,since the irsp have no actual power over the INLA,they are also a seperate organisation.ps it would be very likely anyone giving such info would be putting there immediate health in question.

[DublinRepublican]

no vox why would i do that,since the irsp have no actual power over the INLA,they are also a seperate organisation.ps it would be very likely anyone giving such info would be putting there immediate health in question.

Pass the info to myself via PM and Im sure I can give it to the IRSP.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

why would i do that now,i dont know you people,i could be giving the info to a branch man for all i know,and anyway i believe them to be justified,and right.more power to them.

you people are soooo naive.its almost funny.

[Hessian Peel]

I thought you were a member of RSF in Dublin, could you not trust a fellow RSF activist?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

trust them with what?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

why would i give info to anyone i dont believe needs to know regardless of who they are,all paramilitary groups have to earn money some way or another,they have every right to tax fat cat capitalists,it is not criminality.

[DublinRepublican]

why would i give info to anyone i dont believe needs to know regardless of who they are,all paramilitary groups have to earn money some way or another,they have every right to tax fat cat capitalists,it is not criminality.

Well if you have any info on alledged things to do with the RSM, you should tell people in RSF(which you try and claim your a member of) instead of mouthing online. Im sure people will know the right channels.

[Hessian Peel]

you people are soooo naive.its almost funny.

About what?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

Dublin Republican the right channels for what exactly?

[Vox Populi]

no vox why would i do that,since the irsp have no actual power over the INLA,they are also a seperate organisation.ps it would be very likely anyone giving such info would be putting there immediate health in question.Again, you're just talking complete balls. Forward the evidence onto the IRSP - if you have any. I sincerely doubt that you do.

Or why not post it up here for the world to see whilst you hide behind your username?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

but why would i,or should i give any evidence,i dont believe there doing anything wrong,in fact i completly condone such actions and see them as justified.

[Vox Populi]

It's a criminalisation agenda. The INLA are not involved in this sort of carryon.

[DublinRepublican]

Dublin Republican the right channels for what exactly?

The right channels for reporting alledged criminality to the RSM.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

criminality according to who? the illegal free state?the illegal occupiers

i believe the exthortionate tax the free state collect from these fat cats is criminality,do you think fianna fail will stop it if i report it to there head office.

it is not criminality.if they were selling drugs that would be criminality.but they dont.
any irish paramilitary group are justified in funding themselves in appropriate ways such as taxing capitalist fat cats.thats my opinion and im entitiled to it.

[BuckfastBhoy]

criminality according to who? the illegal free state?the illegal occupators?

i believe the exthortionate tax the free state collect from these fat cats is criminality,do you think fianna fail will stop it if i report it to there head office.

it is not criminality.if they were selling drugs that would be criminality.but they dont.
any irish paramilitary group are justified in funding themselves in appropriate ways such as taxing capitalist fat cats.thats my opinion and im entitiled to it.

the illegal freestate you so gladly served.

and criminality according to yourself, as you stated you have information as such.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

buckfast boy,some of the finest irish republicans have served in both the staters and the brit army,for you to have the attitude you have only shows me the low level of republican knowledge you realy have.can you not see the obvious benefits of such military experience.

also i never said i have info on criminality,as i dont believe getting protection money off fat scummy capitalist exploiters is criminality i believe it is justified.

[BuckfastBhoy]

buckfast boy,some of the finest irish republicans have served in both the staters and the brit army,for you to have the attitude you have only shows me the low level of republican knowledge you realy have.can you not see the obvious benefits of such military experience.

also i never said i have info on criminality,as i dont believe getting protection money off fat scummy capitalist exploiters is criminality i believe it is justified.

LMFAO you actually just said to me i have a low level of republican knowledge? awk christ almighty, your some bass you are Tomas, some bass.

so walking into a club, pointing a gun at the owners head, and sayin geemie all yer muney? isnt robbery?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

i wouldnt imagine they do it like that buckfast boy.......im sure they at least say please,lol

[FreeDerry20]

earlier on in the post use were on about druggies using INLA's name for cover and for protection, well that doesnt work and will not be tolerated, look at the bouncer in the waterside in derry was shot dead for doing it. let that be a lesson to them all.

[belfast rep]

criminality according to who? the illegal free state?the illegal occupiers

i believe the exthortionate tax the free state collect from these fat cats is criminality,do you think fianna fail will stop it if i report it to there head office.

it is not criminality.if they were selling drugs that would be criminality.but they dont.
any irish paramilitary group are justified in funding themselves in appropriate ways such as taxing capitalist fat cats.thats my opinion and im entitiled to it.
Once again which was organisation, the INLA or The CIRA has had people pleadguilty to extorting money from fat cat business men and then threw themselves at the mercy of the british crown.

[derryirp]

Once again which was organisation, the INLA or The CIRA has had people pleadguilty to extorting money from fat cat business men and then threw themselves at the mercy of the british crown.

I'll give you a clue, it wasn't the INLA. :hmmm:

[belfast rep]

why would i do that now,i dont know you people,i could be giving the info to a branch man for all i know,and anyway i believe them to be justified,and right.more power to the
you people are soooo naive.its almost funny.

the address Vox give is their office in Belfast where they deal withplenty of complain in total confidence. Also i can stand over the fact that Vox is most definitely not a branch man , unlike your self he has never been involved with the state forces (apart challenging them)
could it be in regard to these allegations, you have now retired your mouth and are talking full time through your arse

[RSF-Fianoglach]

nowhere have i ever said druggies use the name of the INLA,you are sadly confused,dont misquote me free derry.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

Belfast Rep,you utter twat,i have never said anyone is a branch man,i merely suggested due to the nature of this forum it would be possible for a branch man to seek info through it,secondly you say you vouch for vox,well who the ****k are you? haha.you are a nobody son.

[quirk]

No personal insults lads.

[belfast rep]

Belfast Rep,you utter twat,i have never said anyone is a branch man,i merely suggested due to the nature of this forum it would be possible for a branch man to seek info through it.
why would i do that now,i dont know you people,i could be giving the info to a branch man for all i know,and anyway i believe them to be justified,and right.more power to them.
pretty clear there, but do try to put a new meaning on it>


,secondly you say you vouch for vox,well who the ****k are you? haha.you are a nobody son.
tell me something about myself,

Once again produce evidence of claims,
and answer the questions, was it members of the INLA or CIRA plead guilty to extortion and threw themselves at the mercy of a british court?
Are RSF still denying you walter

[FreeDerry20]

RSF-Fianoglach i didnt quote you and was referring to something someone said long beofre u came into this article,there was a certain drug dealer up here using the name of the irps. now i dont know what happens in dublin but i know that the boy was shot dead for doing it up here .

[RSF-Fianoglach]

well BR im kind of glad people think im a walter that would mean if there were any enemy in here then i wouldnt be taken seriously,so please carryon keep attacking my credibility,it will only increas my effectiveness.

[belfast rep]

well BR im kind of glad people think im a walter that would mean if there were any enemy in here then i wouldnt be taken seriously,so please carryon keep attacking my credibility,it will only increas my effectiveness.

Credibility? i think that boat has long sailed, but please answer the questions or admit your not going to.
and don't forget to tell me something about myself

[RSF-Fianoglach]

ill tell you something about yourself,you regularly jump on the bandwagon of half wits and as such drag yourself down,you show very little individuality,and show a severe lack of independant thinking.you are truly a sheep following the herd,maaaah maaaah.

[belfast rep]

ill tell you something about yourself,you regularly jump on the bandwagon of half wits and as such drag yourself down,you show very little individuality,and show a severe lack of independant thinking.you are truly a sheep following the herd,maaaah maaaah.
still not answering the questions asked or dealing in fact,

[RSF-Fianoglach]

i refuse to waste anymore of my precious time repeating myself to you.goodbye.

[belfast rep]

i refuse to waste anymore of my precious time repeating myself to you.goodbye.
that has just made my day Go raibh maith agat Walter

[RSF-Fianoglach]

Troll

[belfast rep]

Troll
stop it, i can't take this much fun

[RSF-Fianoglach]

yet another autophobe.

[belfast rep]

yet another autophobe.

i am sure i would be devastated if i knew what that meant, now we have kissed and made up, will you answer my earlier questions

[Comrade Ryan]

i am sure i would be devastated if i knew what that meant, now we have kissed and made up, will you answer my earlier questions

I've asked him what that means as he has used it on me too. still no answers forthcoming though - you know what he's like.

[DublinRepublican]

Belfast Rep,you utter twat,i have never said anyone is a branch man,i merely suggested due to the nature of this forum it would be possible for a branch man to seek info through it,secondly you say you vouch for vox,well who the ****k are you? haha.you are a nobody son.

Who are you to call anyone son? Vox is a Republican activist Unlike yourself. Your not in RSF, Ive looked into that, and no one i know has heard of you.. So your an internet warrior and a troll.

[Comrade Ryan]

Who are you to call anyone son? Vox is a Republican activist Unlike yourself. Your not in RSF, Ive looked into that, and no one i know has heard of you.. So your an internet warrior and a troll.

sin é.

[belfast rep]

Who are you to call anyone son? Vox is a Republican activist Unlike yourself. Your not in RSF, Ive looked into that, and no one i know has heard of you.. So your an internet warrior and a troll.
I think that clears that up fear maith

[Éire32CS]

Belfast Rep,you utter twat,i have never said anyone is a branch man,i merely suggested due to the nature of this forum it would be possible for a branch man to seek info through it,secondly you say you vouch for vox,well who the ****k are you? haha.you are a nobody son.

I think you'll find alot more people can vouch for Vox than ever for you....

[Hessian Peel]

ill tell you something about yourself,you regularly jump on the bandwagon of half wits and as such drag yourself down,you show very little individuality,and show a severe lack of independant thinking.you are truly a sheep following the herd,maaaah maaaah.

Ah ye wally. :icon_lol:

[RSF-Fianoglach]

DUBLINREPUBLICAN you have looked into wheter im in RSF or not? so does it automaticly mean im not a Republican if i wasnt a member of RSF?
you wouldnt want to make a habit out of asking about people,you may find out something you dont like.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

Dublin Republican are you the president of RSF? do you or your buddys know every single member or supporter?

are you a member of RSF DublinRepublican.

do your cumman meeting generaly involve discussion over who is and isnt in RSF or who or what people are saying on internet forums?

and you wonder why Republicanism is fading away.

[mickyk200]

DUBLINREPUBLICAN you have looked into wheter im in RSF or not?.
your name is a dead give away lad

[RSF-Fianoglach]

mickey i support RSF on there political policies,hence the RSF.

[DublinRepublican]

DUBLINREPUBLICAN you have looked into wheter im in RSF or not? so does it automaticly mean im not a Republican if i wasnt a member of RSF?
you wouldnt want to make a habit out of asking about people,you may find out something you dont like.

whats that ment to mean? Is that some sort of threat?
If it is, you would want to re think threatening people online.
Im just clearing up your claims of being in rsf.
Nice to see you admitted your not.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

DUB republican,im not in the habit of threatning people,it is a wasteful thing to do.i much prefer action,so to answer your question it was not a threat.

secondly i didnt admit to anything.

you never answered my question,are you a member of RSF,also do your cumman discussions consist of talk of who said what on internet forums?

[DublinRepublican]

DUB republican,im not in the habit of threatning people,it is a wasteful thing to do.i much prefer action,so to answer your question it was not a threat.

secondly i didnt admit to anything.

you never answered my question,are you a member of RSF,also do your cumman discussions consist of talk of who said what on internet forums?

Its none of your business wether Im in RSF OR NOT. But if your in RSF Im sure you could find out who I am. As quite a few people in the movement know me :) they dont know you :)

[kev86]

To be honest fian it is well known amoung the members of RSF on here that you are not one.

[belfast rep]

DUBLINREPUBLICAN you have looked into wheter im in RSF or not? so does it automaticly mean im not a Republican if i wasnt a member of RSF?
you wouldnt want to make a habit out of asking about people,you may find out something you dont like.


ah the sweet smell of desperation. people may disagree with each other here, but they can spot who isnt in their own party fairly quickly, and with the greatest of disrespect you have been exposed like Sammy wilson in a French field

[belfast rep]

DUB republican,im not in the habit of threatning people,it is a wasteful thing to do.i much prefer action,so to answer your question it was not a threat.

secondly i didnt admit to anything.

you never answered my question,are you a member of RSF,also do your cumman discussions consist of talk of who said what on internet forums?

But he is not claiming to be a member of the party, so has nothing to proof, you on the other hand are, while every other supporter and member of RSF are saying your not, ( and generally wouldn't touch you with John taylor's barge pole), so proof them wrong.
by the way you still haven't answered any other questions on this thread

[belfast rep]

To be honest fian it is well known amoung the members of RSF on here that you are not one.

I think its well known amongst everyone here

[RSF-Fianoglach]

the last i will say to anyone here in regards my being a member or not a member of any republican group is.i am a republican born and reaered.and proud of it.i am commited to the reunification of Ireland through whatever means neccesery.it is frankly irrelevant wether i am or am not a member of RSF.as if this some how would exclude or diminish ones opinion.

True republicanism is the sovereignty of the people. There are natural and imprescriptible rights which an entire nation has no right to violate.
Marquis de Lafayette

[mickyk200]

i am or am not a member of RSF.
are you a member or simply a supporter?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

neither mickey,and both.

[belfast rep]

neither mickey,and both.

Its my party and i'll lie if i want too

[D.O.A]

Its my party and i'll lie if i want too

very good

[East Tyrone]

To be honest fian it is well known amoung the members of RSF on here that you are not one.

It's not like you would need to put a big top-up on the mobile to ring round the RSF membership and find out. The O2 minimum top-up is a tenner so you would have loads of minutes left.

[DublinRepublican]

It's not like you would need to put a big top-up on the mobile to ring round the RSF membership and find out. The O2 minimum top-up is a tenner so you would have loads of minutes left.
Did you learn about the minimum top up from the kids you teach?:)

[East Tyrone]

Did you learn about the minimum top up from the kids you teach?:)

Naw it's what yer m* charged me.

[DublinRepublican]

Naw it's what yer m* charged me.
You must be learning your come backs off them to :)

[Young Irelander]

Has an INLA member ever been charged with any non-political offence since they have came into existance?

[Hessian Peel]

Has an INLA member ever been charged with any non-political offence since they have came into existance?

How would you define a 'non-political' offence?

[Young Irelander]

How would you define a 'non-political' offence?

Criminality such as drug-dealing etc...

[Hessian Peel]

Criminality such as drug-dealing etc...

Then the answer is no, as far as I'm aware.

[Young Irelander]

Criminality such as drug-dealing etc...

What is the point in this thread then?

[Hessian Peel]

To spread pro-British and pro-capitalist propaganda.

[Young Irelander]

To spread pro-British and pro-capitalist propaganda.

Perhaps, is the thread not from one of the Irish sections of the British Media though?

[Hessian Peel]

Perhaps, is the thread not from one of the Irish sections of the British Media though?

Your point being...?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

its not party and i couldnt give a Fluck im switching alegience to Apathy.

[Young Irelander]

Your point being...?

Just stating fact...

[redfist]

RSF-Fianoglach must like the irps his posts are all over the place. lol

[HimThere]

What is the point in this thread then?

i thinks its to give people on this forum sore wrists n fingers :D

[Pablo]

but why would i,or should i give any evidence,i dont believe there doing anything wrong,in fact i completly condone such actions and see them as justified.

If you don't see any wrong in these alleged activities then why are you making such a big fuss about it, and by the way, if you consider collecting drug money from dealers as a form of taxation it says very little for your own morals....what about all the young lives that are destroyed to collect that drug money.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

pablo i never mentioned drug dealers except to say the should be wiped out without remorse or hesitation.i was talking about the big business owners who exploit the irish people day in and day out with help from the political backers in the likes of fianna fail.

[Pablo]

pablo i never mentioned drug dealers except to say the should be wiped out without remorse or hesitation.i was talking about the big business owners who exploit the irish people day in and day out with help from the political backers in the likes of fianna fail.

I stand corrected.... I apologise, my mistake.

[Hildy]

Hi Pablo! Haven't seen you in ages. I think that's the first apology I've ever seen directed to tomas, aka RSF-Fianoglach. Don't make a habit of doing so, he will be getting a big head!:icon_lol: Glad to see you back!

Cheers, Hildy:)

[jamie9988]

they are just tying to fund themselves have to do it some way

[ártybhoy]

they are just tying to fund themselves have to do it some way
Who the INLA?
Do they sell "Collie Dugs" in Dublin?
http://www.lanierpets.com/images/pets/collie_rainbow.jpg

[mickyk200]

Who the INLA?
Do they sell "Collie Dugs" in Dublin?
http://www.lanierpets.com/images/pets/collie_rainbow.jpg
them b*stards sold me a bluff pirate dvd...
it was frampton comes alive '86...no wonder it wouldn't fit in the dvd player lol

[ciaranxavier]

they are just tying to fund themselves have to do it some way


many other ways to do it then drugs. even considering that as an alternative to raising money is a horrible idea because it means you think like a criminal.

[kildare brigade]

ha i havnt been on in a while but that lad with the rangers crest better be a joke lol

[Hessian Peel]

ha i havnt been on in a while but that lad with the rangers crest better be a joke lol

Why?

[DublinRepublican]

Why?

Exactly, Its a sport. Nothing to do with politics.

[unitedireland]

Exactly, Its a sport. Nothing to do with politics.

true but celtic are better:icon_lol:

[kildare brigade]

ha only having a laugh just thought you were messing with that picture ..its grand like.. but UnitedIreland is right celtic are better lol

[Hessian Peel]

ha only having a laugh just thought you were messing with that picture ..its grand like.. but UnitedIreland is right celtic are better lol

Is that why Rangers bet them this weekend?

1,000th Post! :beer:

[unitedireland]

Is that why Rangers bet them this weekend?

1,000th Post! :beer:

they were lucky simple as wont happen again and thats FACT:whip:

****s mon the hoops:eusa_clap::icon_laugh:

[kildare brigade]

they were lucky simple as wont happen again and thats FACT:whip:

****s mon the hoops:eusa_clap::icon_laugh:

dead right mate :eusa_clap:

[EuskalHerria]

If anyone is willing to use the papers in this country as proof of the INLA involved in drugs then that speaks more about them rather than smear the INLA in anyway. No member of the INLA has ever been convicted in connection with drugs, and in the current situation of RSM members being arrested and jailed for nothing, this can only mean that this is all just s**t to fill column space

[FTA69]

this can only mean that this is all just s**t to fill column space

I'd say it is a lot more sinister than that. The fact that this media offensive is combined with an increase in state harassment is no coincidence.

All alternative groups are getting more hassle of late, even éirigi has logged hundreds of incidents and the cops know full well that they have no connection to anything armed or anything illegal.

[EuskalHerria]

i guess the papers can only report the sh**e the gardai are sending them. The gardai have been acting like the RUC of old and rounding up members of all republican parties and treating them like criminals and putting false charges on a lot of them. All this goes un reported and the gardai are allowed get away with this behaviour because they are the law. it is very hard to see an end to this harrassment!!

[EuskalHerria]

i guess the papers can only report the sh**e the gardai are sending them. The gardai have been acting like the RUC of old and rounding up members of all republican parties and treating them like criminals and putting false charges on a lot of them. All this goes un reported and the gardai are allowed get away with this behaviour because they are the law. it is very hard to see an end to this harrassment. It would be very easy and convenient for a lot of members of other political parties to try and use this to get one over on the I.N.L.A. We should be united against the gardai because lets face it it's the I.N.L.A for now but they will move on to other groups aswell


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[IMTsweden]

I think INLA should be praised for stamping out drug dealers and organised crime. I don't doubt for a second that on the top level it's the MI5/MI6 who control the major part of the drug trade in Ireland. And this will hurt the enemy at least some financially.

/Patrik

[RSFsupporter]

I think INLA should be praised for stamping out drug dealers and organised crime. I don't doubt for a second that on the top level it's the MI5/MI6 who control the major part of the drug trade in Ireland. And this will hurt the enemy at least some financially.

/Patrik

the INLA have not stamped out drug dealing or organised crime in any way shape or form,where do you get your info?

[Red Revolutionary]

i guess the papers can only report the sh**e the gardai are sending them. The gardai have been acting like the RUC of old and rounding up members of all republican parties and treating them like criminals and putting false charges on a lot of them. All this goes un reported and the gardai are allowed get away with this behaviour because they are the law. it is very hard to see an end to this harrassment. It would be very easy and convenient for a lot of members of other political parties to try and use this to get one over on the I.N.L.A. We should be united against the gardai because lets face it it's the I.N.L.A for now but they will move on to other groups aswell


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Classic state harassment was evident on sunday at the easter commemoration where the Branch were all over it like a rash.

[bay]

i guess the papers can only report the sh**e the gardai are sending them. The gardai have been acting like the RUC of old and rounding up members of all republican parties and treating them like criminals and putting false charges on a lot of them. All this goes un reported and the gardai are allowed get away with this behaviour because they are the law. it is very hard to see an end to this harrassment.

as a former reporter (OK, throw eggs if you want, I can take it). Let me explain how it works. and I'm not in any way, shape or form, excusing bad or one sided reporting. A reporter worth his or her salt will always try to get both sides of the story. It's not their job to make judgements, only to present the info as abalanced as possible and let the reader decide.

anyway, its very frustrating to TRY to get both sides of an issue, but only one side will talk. Or both sides will talk but one side tells you everything "off the record," which means you know but can't print it or you burn their confidence in you.

I have been in that double blind many times with an editor breathing down my neck. If you tell both sides, even though one side said "off the record," then that person or people will never tell you anythign again, and rightly so. If you keep that person's confidence and don't say it, then the story is lopsided.

I can't say for sure, cause I am not there and know only enough to sound stupid, but I would imagine that there's not much INLA can say on the record to defend themselves about this, which leaves them wide open to rumor and inuendo.

I can tell you that if I was a reporter in Ireland, I'd be calling people and talking until I found some way to tell both sides of the story without betraying any republicans. It can usually be done if you try hard enough. and it needs to be done. Everyone knows the harrassment is happening and until some light is shined on it in the press, it will keep happening.

JMHO

back to lurk mode

[Red Revolutionary]

as a former reporter (OK, throw eggs if you want, I can take it). Let me explain how it works. and I'm not in any way, shape or form, excusing bad or one sided reporting. A reporter worth his or her salt will always try to get both sides of the story. It's not their job to make judgements, only to present the info as abalanced as possible and let the reader decide.

anyway, its very frustrating to TRY to get both sides of an issue, but only one side will talk. Or both sides will talk but one side tells you everything "off the record," which means you know but can't print it or you burn their confidence in you.

I have been in that double blind many times with an editor breathing down my neck. If you tell both sides, even though one side said "off the record," then that person or people will never tell you anythign again, and rightly so. If you keep that person's confidence and don't say it, then the story is lopsided.

I can't say for sure, cause I am not there and know only enough to sound stupid, but I would imagine that there's not much INLA can say on the record to defend themselves about this, which leaves them wide open to rumor and inuendo.

I can tell you that if I was a reporter in Ireland, I'd be calling people and talking until I found some way to tell both sides of the story without betraying any republicans. It can usually be done if you try hard enough. and it needs to be done. Everyone knows the harrassment is happening and until some light is shined on it in the press, it will keep happening.

JMHO

back to lurk mode

Great post, very balanced.

[MarkyMark]

Page 2 of the Sunday World had a picture of Declan Duffy with the caption "Bomber for Hire". Its claiming he and Dessie O Hare are behind the recent spate of pipe-bombings in Dublin by selling them to gangs. It also claimed the INLA is now nothing more than a drug gang

[Emiliano Zapata]

Page 2 of the Sunday World

lolz

[derryirp]

Page 2 of the Sunday World had a picture of Declan Duffy with the caption "Bomber for Hire". Its claiming he and Dessie O Hare are behind the recent spate of pipe-bombings in Dublin by selling them to gangs. It also claimed the INLA is now nothing more than a drug gang

Great source MarkyMark :icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol:

[derryirp]

the INLA have not stamped out drug dealing or organised crime in any way shape or form,where do you get your info?

The INLA have been to the forefront of various actions against criminals and drug dealers. They may not have stamped it out, the problem is just too big but they certainly have contributed to the demise of some drug and criminal gangs.

[on the one road]

thats a bit of romantic thinking now in fairness. there has been doubhts over the INLA in dublin for decades. a perivious poster made a very good point that concidering the secrecy of that organisation it's in a very precarious situation were it can't confirm or deny the wildest of stories, but still a good few of theese rummours run around dublin a while before they ever see print. i know things like morality and honour are old fashioned virtures but thats the way people need to behave, especialy republicians.

[jamie9988]

good way for earning money .

[Young Irelander]

good way for earning money .

What is?

[Ghadaffi]

When i was with Na Fianna Eireann we asked members of the IRSP in Dublin if they would like to come to a 24 hour fast we were holding....10 members of the IRSP turned up gave out our leaflets and stayed for a good few hours to show their support. Least to say we got a few raised eyebrows from members of our own movement for inviting them.
I've heard rumours like most people in Dublin about the IRSP and the I.N.L.A. but that is all they are RUMOURS.
What members are in jail for dealing drugs???? none
Think most people forget that members of the I.N.L.A. died on hunger strike and that their family and friends are invited to other groups functions on a yearly basis.

[kildare brigade]

good way for earning money .

i hope u dont mean drug dealing?

[mickyk200]

i hope u dont mean drug dealing?
It's an excellent money spinner.
It's not a moral one but the UDA would tell you it's a great way to raise funds.

[derryirp]

It's an excellent money spinner.

No it's not. It bring's misery and hurt to the working class and no republican could ever consider such an idea.

[soldier of life]

It's an excellent money spinner.
It's not a moral one but the UDA would tell you it's a great way to raise funds.

that would want to be a joke.drug dealers are the enemy of the working class and destroy communities

[mickyk200]

that would want to be a joke.drug dealers are the enemy of the working class and destroy communities

No it's not. It bring's misery and hurt to the working class and no republican could ever consider such an idea.

It's an attempt at satire.
That's the point I am trying to make. The like of loyalists don't give a sh*t about their communities. They're more concerned with shooting taigs than defending the community.

It is not a moral decision. It is an effective way of raising money if you don't give a fukk where it comes from and what it will do.

Revolutionary armies; republicans of any description regardless of you agree with their agenda or not should not resort to dealing drugs to raise funds. It's effective but undoes your cause as a soldier of the working class if your bullets where paid in exchange for heroin, cocaine or ecstasy; to name just a few. I have made unorthodox statements in the past referring to certain groups dealing drugs and I have since apologized and repented due to false sources and actions taken by the leadership of said movement.(I have also been impressed with their swiftness in dealing with the offender)

Any republican who funds their cause with drugs in no revolutionary army and no more than gangsters; I hope true republicans(of any description) will agree with me.

PS. this is not an indirect attack of any republican movement. I just hope the vast majority will agree.

[Red Revolutionary]

It's an attempt at satire.
That's the point I am trying to make. The like of loyalists don't give a sh*t about their communities. They're more concerned with shooting taigs than defending the community.

It is not a moral decision. It is an effective way of raising money if you don't give a fukk where it comes from and what it will do.

Revolutionary armies; republicans of any description regardless of you agree with their agenda or not should not resort to dealing drugs to raise funds. It's effective but undoes your cause as a soldier of the working class if your bullets where paid in exchange for heroin, cocaine or ecstasy; to name just a few. I have made unorthodox statements in the past referring to certain groups dealing drugs and I have since apologized and repented due to false sources and actions taken by the leadership of said movement.(I have also been impressed with their swiftness in dealing with the offender)

Any republican who funds their cause with drugs in no revolutionary army and no more than gangsters; I hope true republicans(of any description) will agree with me.

PS. this is not an indirect attack of any republican movement. I just hope the vast majority will agree.

Id agree with all you said there.
But this raises an interesting question.
What if you sell drugs but not in your own community.
Say for example FARC, who export vast amounts of Cocaine to The USA.
Would that also be seen as immoral if they are only selling it to a country which is at war with them and not poluting their own community?

[LDN_Irish]

Id agree with all you said there.
But this raises an interesting question.
What if you sell drugs but not in your own community.
Say for example FARC, who export vast amounts of Cocaine to The USA.
Would that also be seen as immoral if they are only selling it to a country which is at war with them and not poluting their own community?

To me, it's as wrong as selling to your own community. It is the working classes in the US who will suffer as a result. I don't agree with sorting out the problems in your own back yard but not giving a **** about anyone else. As an intentional "war tactic" it is completely disgusting, like what the Brits did to the Chinese with opium.

[soldier of life]

Id agree with all you said there.
But this raises an interesting question.
What if you sell drugs but not in your own community.
Say for example FARC, who export vast amounts of Cocaine to The USA.
Would that also be seen as immoral if they are only selling it to a country which is at war with them and not poluting their own community?

imo you could certainly argue that poor farmers relying on the drug trade to survive and provide for their families are certainly not scumbags like the ones who have every chance to be educated,get a job but for some reason choose to infect peoples lives in the thirst for profits

[bay]

Originally Posted by Red Revolutionary
Id agree with all you said there.
But this raises an interesting question.
What if you sell drugs but not in your own community.
Say for example FARC, who export vast amounts of Cocaine to The USA.
Would that also be seen as immoral if they are only selling it to a country which is at war with them and not poluting their own community?

Yes wrong is wrong. The drugs are still polluting civilians and ruining lives. Two wrongs don't make a right.

My government has used the drug trade for decades to finance dirty wars and it is soooo wrong on so many levels. They used poppy growing in afghanistan and indochina to finance war in Vietnam. Drug smuggling from Panama to finance war against the Sandinistas. and cocain smuggling from SA to finance dirty ops there... All the while, the DEA is trying to shut down operations that the CIA is running! Is this total insanity or what????? Gawd, the things our tax dollars pay for...

It is just as wrong for FARC, no matter how noble a cause might be.

[ciaranxavier]

Yes wrong is wrong. The drugs are still polluting civilians and ruining lives. Two wrongs don't make a right.

My government has used the drug trade for decades to finance dirty wars and it is soooo wrong on so many levels. They used poppy growing in afghanistan and indochina to finance war in Vietnam. Drug smuggling from Panama to finance war against the Sandinistas. and cocain smuggling from SA to finance dirty ops there... All the while, the DEA is trying to shut down operations that the CIA is running! Is this total insanity or what????? Gawd, the things our tax dollars pay for...

It is just as wrong for FARC, no matter how noble a cause might be.

legalizing them all would put an end to everything you guys are speaking of.

[LDN_Irish]

imo you could certainly argue that poor farmers relying on the drug trade to survive and provide for their families are certainly not scumbags like the ones who have every chance to be educated,get a job but for some reason choose to infect peoples lives in the thirst for profits

I think all drugs should be legalised and taxed (like alcohol) and the "3rd world" farmers would be able to sell their drugs at fair trade prices. I don't think RR meant about poor farmers though and was talking of revolutionaries trying to raise money for themselves.

[Foyleview]

Not surprised..I think everyone has known this about these guys for some time.

[Emiliano Zapata]

Not surprised..I think everyone has known this about these guys for some time.

Who are these guys?

[Red Revolutionary]

I think all drugs should be legalised and taxed (like alcohol) and the "3rd world" farmers would be able to sell their drugs at fair trade prices. I don't think RR meant about poor farmers though and was talking of revolutionaries trying to raise money for themselves.

Aye spot on LDN.
But Cocaine is not a class exclusive drug, it transcends all classes, so its not just the working class in the USA which would be affected.
TBH maybe Colombia infecting the USA with drugs is retribution for the USA's policies in Colombia?

Just on a random note, when the USA is trying to crack down on FARC's drug trade by spraying fields with chemicals to kill the crop not only do they hit cocaine producing farmers but also innocent farmers merely growng potatoes etc. These tactics wipe out their livelyhood and are completely indescriminate and the most ironic thing is that these farmers then enter the drug trade in an attempt to compensate for their loss.

[Red Revolutionary]

My government has used the drug trade for decades to finance dirty wars and it is soooo wrong on so many levels. They used poppy growing in afghanistan and indochina to finance war in Vietnam. Drug smuggling from Panama to finance war against the Sandinistas. and cocain smuggling from SA to finance dirty ops there... All the while, the DEA is trying to shut down operations that the CIA is running! Is this total insanity or what????? Gawd, the things our tax dollars pay for...


Didnt the CIA gain access to Laos or Cambodia for American Troops in exchange for their co-operation with their drug trade?
An astonishing amount of ex service men come back form Vietnam with drug addictions?

[bay]

yes and yes.

the Wall only lists the people killed over there. It does not list the people who made it home broken, addicted, and who died years later because of their experience.

[derryirp]

Not surprised..I think everyone has known this about these guys for some time.

:hmmm: Could he be TROLLING?

[Foyleview]

Who are these guys?

I thought we were discussing a Garda report on criminals who use the republican cause as an excuse /cover ?
its a disgrace to see the memorys of honourable heros like Kevin Lynch besmirched by these self-servers. If I thought they had any honour or respect for the patriot dead or the future of our nation I would ask them to disband .

[Red Revolutionary]

I thought we were discussing a Garda report on criminals who use the republican cause as an excuse /cover ?
its a disgrace to see the memorys of honourable heros like Kevin Lynch besmirched by these self-servers. If I thought they had any honour or respect for the patriot dead or the future of our nation I would ask them to disband .

Which group would these alleged criminals be connected with?

[Emiliano Zapata]

I thought we were discussing a Garda report on criminals who use the republican cause as an excuse /cover ?
its a disgrace to see the memorys of honourable heros like Kevin Lynch besmirched by these self-servers. If I thought they had any honour or respect for the patriot dead or the future of our nation I would ask them to disband .

Fucc off you parasite. :)

No evidence of paramilitary link to drug trade - garda
RENAGH HOLOHAN in Wexford

THERE WAS no evidence of a structured link between paramilitaries and the drugs trade in the Republic, Det Supt Barry O'Brien from the Garda National Drugs Unit told the meeting here yesterday of the British Irish Interparliamentary Body.

The illegal drugs business, Det Supt O'Brien said, was becoming a very sophisticated organisation which now operated on a global scale. It worked on credit and the drug trafficking groups believed their product was as good as cash and were confident that their customers could pay. But in the end all drugs, like politics, was local and much detection was intelligence based.

The Minister of State for Drugs Strategy, Pat Carey, said at least one garda in each district was now profiling small dealers and this was beginning to show results. The gang warfare indicated that intelligence was catching up with the smaller dealers. Drug use in prison remained an appalling problem, Mr Carey told the conference. The only place where there was any significant progress on tackling the issue was in Cork Prison which was a small place where everyone knew everyone.

Answering questions from the parliamentarians, Mr Carey said that in the fight against drugs the national media had not done itself any favours by glamourising cocaine, at least until there were a few high-profile deaths. He accepted there was need for greater detox and rehabilitation facilities but if he was to wait for the HSE to roll out detox beds, then half the people in the country who needed them would be dead.

Another problem was setting up methadone clinics. There was a difficulty in having them accepted by the local community and mediation was needed.

He continued to be committed to the benefits of an overall substance strategy covering abuse of both drink and drugs.

Mr Carey said he favoured breaking the link between sport and drink advertising. Cheap and below-cost alcohol also had to be addressed, he said.

Earlier, Michael Mates MP said he had recently put it to the two unionist leaders, Peter Robinson and Sir Reg Empey, that the time had come for unionism to be expressed personally at the body rather than by proxy as it had been up to now. They had told him that the terms by which this could come about had to be acceptable to both of them, as they did not want a row between the unionist parties.

Mr Mates said that a formal approach would be made to the unionists inviting them to come to the organisation now that it was going to be relaunched as the British Irish Parliamentary Assembly. He said they accepted the relaunch as this took away the last ghosts of the Anglo Irish Agreement, which was the cause of the unionists boycotting the body from the start.

© 2008 The Irish Times

[SHH]

"has its finger in literally every pie"

They have a very poor grasp of the literal and figurative, that's for sure.

[EuskalHerria]

Paul williams was spreading the same muck as usual on sunday. This persona he is trying to put forward that he is a crime writer putting his life in danger because he is exposing the truth like veronice guerin is cringeworthy as he is nothing more than a fantacist and will do anything to boost his own ego!

[DublinRepublican]

Paul williams was spreading the same muck as usual on sunday. This persona he is trying to put forward that he is a crime writer putting his life in danger because he is exposing the truth like veronice guerin is cringeworthy as he is nothing more than a fantacist and will do anything to boost his own ego!

Pity he wasnt killed. **** stirring toe rag that he is.

[EuskalHerria]

honestly would hate to see that happen as he would be put aside veronica guerin as a brave writer who stood up to the "criminals" and that would be a real shame. The man is a poor writer and his articles seem to insist upon themsleves now. I'm sure he will be found out soon

[yaya]

Just finished reading through this thread and there are two quotes that the nazi propagandist, Joseph Goebbels, made that explain the methods being employed by the Free State and British governments against the IRSM, the first one I use in my signature and is:

The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.

And secondly...

Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play.