Govt reconsiders detaining asylum seekers

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The Government has reportedly resurrected a contentious plan to hold some asylum seekers in detention centres while their applications are processed.

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[RSF-Fianoglach]

well once there treated humanly,and it coincides with best international practice what is the problem? its only what any country would do,so why should we be different

[belfast rep]

well once there treated humanly,and it coincides with best international practice what is the problem? its only what any country would do,so why should we be different

its called internment as a lifelong republican you should know

[Daithí]

Detention camps/Internment camps is a bit much.

[Takeshi]

its called internment as a lifelong republican you should know

Give them a choice. Either stay in a detention center and have your claim assessed, or be returned to your country of origin immediately.

[ciaranxavier]

Detention camps/Internment camps is a bit much.

i agree there not exactly being held against there will.

[belfast rep]

Detention camps/Internment camps is a bit much.


so it is ok to detent people who have not committed any crime?for example the people ( mother and child) in Belfast who recently faced deportion and potential death?
do we put the kids in detention centres, or do we seperate them from their parents?

do we have a Mc Dowell style roundup, smashing in doors in the middle of the night

[belfast rep]

i agree there not exactly being held against there will.

what they agree to be detented ? what if they don't agree?
what happens when you get another justice Minister like Mc Dowell?

[ciaranxavier]

what they agree to be detented ? what if they don't agree?
what happens when you get another justice Minister like Mc Dowell?

if they agree to wait the appropriate time for their documents to be approved then it is their choice if not then they really should find asylum elsewhere as our country isnt the only to accept asylum seekers. and if you dont do the background check without holding them you have the potential to allow a criminal running from the law free reign in the streets of ireland. its more of a safety measure then unlawful confinement.

[belfast rep]

[QUOTE=ciaranxavier;51936]if they agree to wait the appropriate time for their documents to be approved then it is their choice if not then they really should find asylum elsewhere as our country isnt the only to accept asylum seekers.
yes government agencies are known for the speed they process documentation.:hmmm:
the choice is straightforward get locked up or get out. thats not choice.
should we in the interest of fairness and equality ensure that Irish people suffer the same when they move to other countries, including those who have had to flee Ireland due to state threats?


and if you dont do the background check without holding them you have the potential to allow a criminal running from the law free reign in the streets of ireland. its more of a safety measure then unlawful confinement.

ah the criminal arguement, why didn't you use the aids one or that they are out to corrupt our nation and dilute our Irishness

[Nijinsky]

if they agree to wait the appropriate time for their documents to be approved then it is their choice if not then they really should find asylum elsewhere as our country isnt the only to accept asylum seekers. and if you dont do the background check without holding them you have the potential to allow a criminal running from the law free reign in the streets of ireland. its more of a safety measure then unlawful confinement.

So should we detain all non Irish citizens as they enter the country (that would include tourists, business people etc) in order to stop the "potential to allow a criminal running from the law free reign in the streets of ireland"?

[Daithí]

so it is ok to detent people who have not committed any crime?for example the people ( mother and child) in Belfast who recently faced deportion and potential death?
do we put the kids in detention centres, or do we seperate them from their parents?

do we have a Mc Dowell style roundup, smashing in doors in the middle of the night

I was'nt agreeing with the idea . :)

[belfast rep]

I was'nt agreeing with the idea . :)

Tá brón orm got carried with myself:)

[Daithí]

Ach, bhí tu ceart.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

ah the criminal arguement, why didn't you use the aids one or that they are out to corrupt our nation and dilute our Irishness

belfast rep,you are dodging the issue with non sensical rambling,the facts are over 90 percent of asylum seekers into ireland are bogus asylum seekers,you and the likes of you can not have a civil debate about the real issues around mass immigration,instead you jump on your soapbox shouting Nazi,bigot and your favourite slander fascist,do you even realise how rediculous it makes you look,to shout this rubbish anytime somebody raises an issue on the subject of immigration,its realy pathetic and shows a severe lack of comprehension on the issue.

are you realy so naive that you think there are not major criminals who see ireland as a soft spot and fresh meat for scams,although it may not be all immigrants,if there is a chance that even one rapist,or murderer,could slip through the net,then that is justification,to detain asylum,seekers

note detaining asylum seekers,would not be the same as imprisoning them.as detained asylum seekers they would be able to associate freely come and go as they please whitin the boundrys of a detention centre untill there application was processed.although its not ideal,if it stops possible murderers or rapists,criminals,from illegaly entering this country then it is a nescecery measure.

[ciaranxavier]

So should we detain all non Irish citizens as they enter the country (that would include tourists, business people etc) in order to stop the "potential to allow a criminal running from the law free reign in the streets of ireland"?

no anybody seeking permanant asylum should be temporarily detained. i dont know how it is in ireland now but here in canada i see the negatives of an open door acceptance policy and the problems that come with it.

[ciaranxavier]

[
yes government agencies are known for the speed they process documentation.:hmmm:
the choice is straightforward get locked up or get out. thats not choice.
should we in the interest of fairness and equality ensure that Irish people suffer the same when they move to other countries, including those who have had to flee Ireland due to state threats?



ah the criminal arguement, why didn't you use the aids one or that they are out to corrupt our nation and dilute our Irishness

yes government agencies are known for the speed they process documentation.:hmmm:

something that would obviously have to be addressed.

the choice is straightforward get locked up or get out. thats not choice.
should we in the interest of fairness and equality ensure that Irish people suffer the same when they move to other countries, including those who have had to flee Ireland due to state threats?

in the interests of the safety of the people already in the country i have no objections as long as everyones processed in an adequate amount of time. the facts are war criminals among many others will try to flee their countrys under the false pretense of refugee so to escape punishment.


ah the criminal arguement, why didn't you use the aids one or that they are out to corrupt our nation and dilute our Irishness

before you get carried away im not racist or whatever your thinking. and whats this aids issue you talk about??? and its true we should have some sort of system to weed the criminals out from the ones that actually need help. im not saying its perfect or this should be the system but there should be something in place to stop these people from dissapearing into society to continue their illegal activities before they are untraceable.

[Nijinsky]

no anybody seeking permanant asylum should be temporarily detained. i dont know how it is in ireland now but here in canada i see the negatives of an open door acceptance policy and the problems that come with it.


But theres no sense to that if it is the possibility of criminals entering the country and committing crimes here that really concerns you.


If you want to stop criminals from entering the country, then you would have to detain all foreign nationals entering the country and detain them until sufficient checks were carried out on them. The numbers of people entering the country that are not asylum seekers far far outnumbers those that are, so the likelihood is that proportionally there will be far more criminals entering the country as tourists business people etc that are not asylum seekers.

[ciaranxavier]

But theres no sense to that if it is the possibility of criminals entering the country and committing crimes here that really concerns you.


If you want to stop criminals from entering the country, then you would have to detain all foreign nationals entering the country and detain them until sufficient checks were carried out on them. The numbers of people entering the country that are not asylum seekers far far outnumbers those that are, so the likelihood is that proportionally there will be far more criminals entering the country as tourists business people etc that are not asylum seekers.

very true whats the current system with asylum seekers?

[Nijinsky]

very true whats the current system with asylum seekers?

They are not imprisoned in detention centres here in the 26, not sure about the 6.

I think any move to intern them as proposed would be very wrong

[RSF-Fianoglach]

nijinsky there is a dramtic difference between forign nationals,and asylum seeker to compare the two is a mistake,foriegn nationals on the most part always carry some form of I.D,whereas the vast majority of asylum seekers arrive into the country with no ID at all,hence no history that may be connected to the identity

you must ask your self why are 90 percent of all asylum applications considered bogus,its definitly an indication that something more spurious is going on and it is the duty of the establishment in the 26 countys to do there utmost,in preventing any ILLEGAL entry to this country,if you dont have concern about mass immigration,then you can not say you have the nation of ireland truly at heart,its more than likely you haver been influenced by some failed ideology.thus clouding your rational side,and which in turn leads to silly pathetic attacks on peoples character with usual now boring,nazi,fascist,bigot diatribe.

[East Tyrone]

nijinsky there is a dramtic difference between forign nationals,and asylum seeker to compare the two is a mistake,foriegn nationals on the most part always carry some form of I.D,whereas the vast majority of asylum seekers arrive into the country with no ID at all,hence no history that may be connected to the identity

you must ask your self why are 90 percent of all asylum applications considered bogus,its definitly an indication that something more spurious is going on and it is the duty of the establishment in the 26 countys to do there utmost,in preventing any ILLEGAL entry to this country,if you dont have concern about mass immigration,then you can not say you have the nation of ireland truly at heart,its more than likely you haver been influenced by some failed ideology.thus clouding your rational side,and which in turn leads to silly pathetic attacks on peoples character with usual now boring,nazi,fascist,bigot diatribe.

Hmmm, smells a wee bit like far-right racism to me. Would you be a fan of Justin Barret at all?

[Ard_Mhacha]

well, we moved from N.Ireland to London when i was a kid and if they had of put us in some form of camp and run the proper checks to see every things above board then left us alone we would of been fine with that and just accepted that if we wanted to come to england that was just how it is. instead we were let in and every time the IRA planted a bomb, released a statement, made a threat or even broke wind our house was raided by Scotland yards "anti terrorism" division. if this camp ensures the good are good and the bad are bad I cant see it being a bad thing providing people are treated with respect, dignity and above all as human beings. However If I'm honest that will never happen immigrants are seen by the powers that be as a nuisance not as people in need or people looking to start over. Just look at the prisons they have in england for immigrants and how the people in there were treated.

[Nijinsky]

tomas_o_ruanaidh: nijinsky there is a dramtic difference between forign nationals,and asylum seeker to compare the two is a mistake,foriegn nationals on the most part always carry some form of I.D,whereas the vast majority of asylum seekers arrive into the country with no ID at all,hence no history that may be connected to the identity

So if a person has an ID (whether its genuine or not) they are not a criminal and if they havent they are a criminal is that what you are saying?

tomas_o_ruanaidh if you dont have concern about mass immigration,then you can not say you have the nation of ireland truly at heart

First of all this topic is about asylum seekers not immigrants. Secondly, what exactly is "mass immigration"? What figure turns immigration into "mass immigration"?

tomas_o_ruanaidhwhich in turn leads to silly pathetic attacks on peoples character with usual now boring,nazi,fascist,bigot diatribe

Where have I engaged in "silly pathetic attacks on peoples character with usual now boring,nazi,fascist,bigot diatribe"? Please show some evidence of this

[Nijinsky]

Ard_Mhacha: if this camp ensures the good are good and the bad are bad I cant see it being a bad thing providing people are treated with respect, dignity and above all as human beings.

Interning people without trial is not treating people "with respect, dignity and above all as human beings", is it?

[ciaranxavier]

They are not imprisoned in detention centres here in the 26, not sure about the 6.

I think any move to intern them as proposed would be very wrong

that doesnt tell me more then i already know i asked what the current procedure is?

[ciaranxavier]

nijinsky there is a dramtic difference between forign nationals,and asylum seeker to compare the two is a mistake,foriegn nationals on the most part always carry some form of I.D,whereas the vast majority of asylum seekers arrive into the country with no ID at all,hence no history that may be connected to the identity

you must ask your self why are 90 percent of all asylum applications considered bogus,its definitly an indication that something more spurious is going on and it is the duty of the establishment in the 26 countys to do there utmost,in preventing any ILLEGAL entry to this country,if you dont have concern about mass immigration,then you can not say you have the nation of ireland truly at heart,its more than likely you haver been influenced by some failed ideology.thus clouding your rational side,and which in turn leads to silly pathetic attacks on peoples character with usual now boring,nazi,fascist,bigot diatribe.

if you dont have concern about mass immigration,then you can not say you have the nation of ireland truly at heart,

this is borderline racist i believe unless youd like to explain further.

[Nijinsky]

that doesnt tell me more then i already know i asked what the current procedure is?

At present they are housed at various centres around the country while their applications are assessed. They are not imprisoned there as is proposed and they are not allowed to obtain employment.

[ciaranxavier]

i got a new idea what about giving them ankle bracelets until their application has been properly processed and the background checks done thorougly??? would that be more humanitarian well respecting the safety of the people and the assurance of where they are should something bad be found.

[Nijinsky]

ciaranxavier: well respecting the safety of the people


The safety of what people?

[ciaranxavier]

ciaranxavier:


The safety of what people?

the citizens of ireland as we dont know who were letting into this country as refugees and i see it in canada a lot once they get past those inspections they dissapear under the radar to continue their criminal activities the government doesnt even know their involved in yet. im not saying this doesnt happen with others let in but these people are possibly war criminals trying to hide from prosecution for the war crimes those very people are fleeing from. and as you have seen from that one persons comment that if it were to stop the constant state harrassment after they enter confinement for a short term wouldnt be a problem so an ankle bracelet should be a breeze.

[Ard_Mhacha]

Ard_Mhacha:

Interning people without trial is not treating people "with respect, dignity and above all as human beings", is it?

aye i agree however it's far from a perfect world where we can just ask people on their way in "are you up to no good there boy?" and expect an honest answer.

my thinking is get the security checks out of the way as soon as they land and then let them go and live a decent life without any hassle.

[Nijinsky]

the citizens of ireland as we dont know who were letting into this country as refugees and i see it in canada a lot once they get past those inspections they dissapear under the radar to continue their criminal activities the government doesnt even know their involved in yet. im not saying this doesnt happen with others let in but these people are possibly war criminals trying to hide from prosecution for the war crimes those very people are fleeing from. and as you have seen from that one persons comment that if it were to stop the constant state harrassment after they enter confinement for a short term wouldnt be a problem so an ankle bracelet should be a breeze.


But why are you just targetting asylum seekers? We dont know who we are letting into the country every day of the week, tourists, businessmen, etc etc etc We dont know how many of them are criminals or travelling under false id so why target asylum seekers specifically when there is no evidence to suggest that there is any more likelihood of criminal activity by them than by anyone else including our own citizens? Or are you suggesting that asylum seekers are proportionally more likely to commit crime than others? If so what do you base that on?

[Nijinsky]

aye i agree however it's far from a perfect world where we can just ask people on their way in "are you up to no good there boy?" and expect an honest answer.


But as I asked Ciaranxavier above, why target asylum seekers and not all the others that enter our country every single day?

[ciaranxavier]

But why are you just targetting asylum seekers? We dont know who we are letting into the country every day of the week, tourists, businessmen, etc etc etc We dont know how many of them are criminals or travelling under false id so why target asylum seekers specifically when there is no evidence to suggest that there is any more likelihood of criminal activity by them than by anyone else including our own citizens? Or are you suggesting that asylum seekers are proportionally more likely to commit crime than others? If so what do you base that on?

no ill use rwanda as a case many of their war criminals slipped into canada and dissapeared. and yes the chances are higher for criminals to be coming into countries as refugees as passports and id are not required.

[Nijinsky]

no ill use rwanda as a case many of their war criminals slipped into canada and dissapeared. and yes the chances are higher for criminals to be coming into countries as refugees as passports and id are not required.

What do you base that on? There is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that asylum seekers in Ireland are proportionally more likely to commit crime than anyone else. Have you a link to back up that?

Do you not think that crims are coming into this country every day on ferrys, planes etc on their own passports and with false ID? How do you think all the drug gangs operate in bringing their stuff into this country? Do you think War Criminals only enter countries as asylum seekers? Do you not think they enter countries using false ID's?

[ciaranxavier]

What do you base that on? There is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that asylum seekers in Ireland are proportionally more likely to commit crime than anyone else. Have you a link to back up that?

Do you not think that crims are coming into this country every day on ferrys, planes etc on their own passports and with false ID? How do you think all the drug gangs operate in bringing their stuff into this country? Do you think War Criminals only enter countries as asylum seekers? Do you not think they enter countries using false ID's?

using fake is a lot harder to do and getting harder to do in this day and age. and i dont have evidence backing it about ireland im just telling you what i see here in canada. do you have a link proving that there arent more criminals coming in through asylum seeking? and the fact is refugees come in the hundreds and dont need any identification before their let loose to go and find their way, this is allowing a large room for error and can you tell me what would be wrong with wearing an ankle bracelet for a couple of weeks?

[Nijinsky]

ciaranxavier: using fake is a lot harder to do and getting harder to do in this day and age.

No its not. Its done the whole time by the criminal gangs and drug gangs.

ciaranxavierand i dont have evidence backing it about ireland im just telling you what i see here in canada.

First of all Ireland isnt Canada. Secondly have you evidence of asylum seekers in canada being responsible proportionally for more crime than anyone else?

ciaranxavier do you have a link proving that there arent more criminals coming in through asylum seeking?

Its impossible to prove a negative as you well know. There is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever here of any proportionally high levels of crime being committed by asylum seekers.


ciaranxavier: can you tell me what would be wrong with wearing an ankle bracelet for a couple of weeks?


Because you are targetting and singling out asylum seekers and not anyone else. You have shown no credible argument as to why they should be singled out and targetted in this way, as opposed to anyone else that comes into our country

[ciaranxavier]

ciaranxavier:

No its not. Its done the whole time by the criminal gangs and drug gangs.

ciaranxavier

First of all Ireland isnt Canada. Secondly have you evidence of asylum seekers in canada being responsible proportionally for more crime than anyone else?

ciaranxavier

Its impossible to prove a negative as you well know. There is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever here of any proportionally high levels of crime being committed by asylum seekers.


ciaranxavier:


Because you are targetting and singling out asylum seekers and not anyone else. You have shown no credible argument as to why they should be singled out and targetted in this way, as opposed to anyone else that comes into our country

No its not. Its done the whole time by the criminal gangs and drug gangs.

more often they travel under their legit name until they get caught not ferrying around the world on elaborate passports and fake ids this isnt the movies.


First of all Ireland isnt Canada. Secondly have you evidence of asylum seekers in canada being responsible proportionally for more crime than anyone else?

do you have evidence proving that they arent responsible for more crime?

Its impossible to prove a negative as you well know. There is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever here of any proportionally high levels of crime being committed by asylum seekers.

no its not. and there is no evidence backing your claim up as well.


Because you are targetting and singling out asylum seekers and not anyone else. You have shown no credible argument as to why they should be singled out and targetted in this way, as opposed to anyone else that comes into our country

i keep telling you but you dont seem to understand. when they are let into the country with no id and no idea of their background it can become a serious problem. and what is wrong with ankle bracelets?

[Nijinsky]

ciaranxavier: more often they travel under their legit name until they get caught not ferrying around the world on elaborate passports and fake ids this isnt the movies.

Yes they use their own ID's as I pointed out myself but they also use fake ID's too. Indeed republicans and other armed guerilla groups etc do it too. However, the first part of your sentence where you say they travel under their legit name only makes it more confusing as to why you want to tag asylum seekers solely while not tagging other visitors considering you say thats how the drugs gangs etc travel in and out.


ciaranxavier:do you have evidence proving that they arent responsible for more crime?

I suppose I'll have to take that as a "NO, I dont have evidence that asylum seekers in canada are responsible proportionally for more crime than anyone else"


ciaranxavier: and there is no evidence backing your claim up as well.

You are the one that made this claim, not me. You have provided no evidence because there is no evidence - full stop. If you make a claim its up to you to back it up. You havent



ciaranxavier: i keep telling you but you dont seem to understand. when they are let into the country with no id and no idea of their background it can become a serious problem.

I do understand what you are saying but you still are giving no credible reason to target asylum seekers as opposed to others entering the country. There is no evidence whatsoever to show that asylum seekers, or indeed any foreign nationals, are proportionally more likely to commit crime here. Indeed foreign nationals are proportionally responsible for less crime than Irish nationals

Its not a problem here Ciaran

[Ard_Mhacha]

But as I asked Ciaranxavier above, why target asylum seekers and not all the others that enter our country every single day?

i never said JUST asylum seekers

in my first post

"However If I'm honest that will never happen immigrants are seen by the powers that be as a nuisance not as people in need or people looking to start over."

[Nijinsky]

i never said JUST asylum seekers

in my first post

"However If I'm honest that will never happen immigrants are seen by the powers that be as a nuisance not as people in need or people looking to start over."

So you are suggesting that they intern all foreign nationals entering the country and not just asylum seekers, is that right?

[ciaranxavier]

if its not a problem there why am i not the only one worried?

[Nijinsky]

if its not a problem there why am i not the only one worried?


Well there are some who dont want immigrants or asylum seekers coming here at all. For them anyone coming here is a problem. But if its crime levels from asylum seekers, then there is no need for you to be worried as it is not a problem here. There is NO EVIDENCE of high levels of crime among asylum seekers or indeed among immigrants

[Ard_Mhacha]

So you are suggesting that they intern all foreign nationals entering the country and not just asylum seekers, is that right?

or they can hound them every time someone in thier community commits a crime. it's the devil and the deep blue sea my friend so you pick whats worse and i'll just agree with you. either way they wont be treated fairly.

[Nijinsky]

or they can hound them every time someone in thier community commits a crime. it's the devil and the deep blue sea my friend so you pick whats worse and i'll just agree with you. either way they wont be treated fairly.

What makes you think they will hound every foreign national every time a foreign national commits a crime? And I didnt pick whats worse. Internment is the worst option and I oppose that

[ciaranxavier]

What makes you think they will hound every foreign national every time a foreign national commits a crime? And I didnt pick whats worse. Internment is the worst option and I oppose that

but he speaks from personal experience and you dont.

[Nijinsky]

but he speaks from personal experience and you dont.


His "personal experience" wasn't in this country, was it?

And he wasnt an asylum seeker either.

[Takeshi]

What do you base that on? There is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that asylum seekers in Ireland are proportionally more likely to commit crime than anyone else. Have you a link to back up that?


You've made this claim a few times in this thread. I'm interested in seeing the statistics you used as the basis for it. I'm not aware of how many crimes are committed by asylum seekers and immigrants, so I'd like to see what percentage of crimes they commit, compared to the percentage of the population they make up.

[Nijinsky]

You've made this claim a few times in this thread. I'm interested in seeing the statistics you used as the basis for it. I'm not aware of how many crimes are committed by asylum seekers and immigrants, so I'd like to see what percentage of crimes they commit, compared to the percentage of the population they make up.

You do understand what NO EVIDENCE means, dont you? It means there isnt any -it isnt there. I cant show you evidence when it doesnt exist. Thats my whole point. Some people seemed to be suggesting that asylum seekers are responsible for high levels of crime, but there is no evidence to back that up, which if true, there would be.

As regards convicted and sentenced prisoners, foreign nationals (which would include immigrants and asylum seekers but not exclusively them) make up according to Irish Prison Service reports, account for approx 8% of convicts that serve a prison sentence. According to the last census, foreign nationals made up 10% of the population but the Government and those opposed to immigration claim the figure is between 12% and 15%

But even at the 10% figure they are still proportionally under represented in terms of criminals serving prison sentences

[Takeshi]

You do understand what NO EVIDENCE means, dont you? It means there isnt any -it isnt there. I cant show you evidence when it doesnt exist. Thats my whole point. Some people seemed to be suggesting that asylum seekers are responsible for high levels of crime, but there is no evidence to back that up, which if true, there would be.

As regards convicted and sentenced prisoners, foreign nationals (which would include immigrants and asylum seekers but not exclusively them) make up according to Irish Prison Service reports, account for approx 8% of convicts that serve a prison sentence. According to the last census, foreign nationals made up 10% of the population but the Government and those opposed to immigration claim the figure is between 12% and 15%

But even at the 10% figure they are still proportionally under represented in terms of criminals serving prison sentences

You can show evidence to back up your claim. That's what I was referring to. I'd like to see the source for those statistics.

[ciaranxavier]

You do understand what NO EVIDENCE means, dont you? It means there isnt any -it isnt there. I cant show you evidence when it doesnt exist. Thats my whole point. Some people seemed to be suggesting that asylum seekers are responsible for high levels of crime, but there is no evidence to back that up, which if true, there would be.

As regards convicted and sentenced prisoners, foreign nationals (which would include immigrants and asylum seekers but not exclusively them) make up according to Irish Prison Service reports, account for approx 8% of convicts that serve a prison sentence. According to the last census, foreign nationals made up 10% of the population but the Government and those opposed to immigration claim the figure is between 12% and 15%

But even at the 10% figure they are still proportionally under represented in terms of criminals serving prison sentences

which if true, there would be.

same could be said about your claim.

[Nijinsky]

You can show evidence to back up your claim. That's what I was referring to. I'd like to see the source for those statistics.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/big-jump-in-prison-numbers-as-more-are-jailed-1252308.html

Foreign nationals accounted for 8pc of those in custody while 3pc of those sentenced were serving terms of less than three months.

http://www.irishprisons.ie/


The figure in the 2004 report was very slightly above 8%. I believe the next year was in aand around the same as is the most recent one the 2006 report

[Nijinsky]

tomas_o_ruanaidh:

So if a person has an ID (whether its genuine or not) they are not a criminal and if they havent they are a criminal is that what you are saying?

tomas_o_ruanaidh

First of all this topic is about asylum seekers not immigrants. Secondly, what exactly is "mass immigration"? What figure turns immigration into "mass immigration"?

tomas_o_ruanaidh

Where have I engaged in "silly pathetic attacks on peoples character with usual now boring,nazi,fascist,bigot diatribe"? Please show some evidence of this


Still waiting on you to answer the questions above Tomas

[RSF-Fianoglach]

ciaranexavier,you claimed i was borderline racist,let me explain a few things to you and any others who dont understand the english language and its meanings,the word racist means somebody who thinks there race is superior to others based on colour or ethnicity,now YOU explain were i have ever ever said such a thing?a concern about mass immigration is perfectly justified,it has nothing to do with colour,but everything to do with wether this country can deal with large influxes of immigrants,which put strain on the infrastructure,hospitals schools housing and so on,also economicly some of these people may become an economic burden inm a few years,when there is an economic turn down,to suggest these concerns are racist is simply idiotic and would suggest you dont know the meaning of the words you are using.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

So if a person has an ID (whether its genuine or not) they are not a criminal and if they havent they are a criminal is that what you are saying?


no i did not say this nijinsky,just think rationaly now,if 90 percent of asylum seekers are found to be bogus asylum seekers that would indicate 90 percent of them have something to hide or are trying to enter the country ILlEGALY,now of course people with ID can be criminals but logicly there is a higher chance of finding out if a person is a criminal or not if they have an id

First of all this topic is about asylum seekers not immigrants. Secondly, what exactly is "mass immigration"? What figure turns immigration into "mass immigration"?


it is a well known fact ireland has the highest level of immigration per capita than any other country in the world,this is obviously MASS immigration,and it simply is not sustainable in such a small country with such limited infrastructure.and since 90 percent of asylum applications are bogus then that would indicate 90 percent of asylum seekers are trying to immgrate to ireland illegaly.

Where have I engaged in "silly pathetic attacks on peoples character with usual now boring,nazi,fascist,bigot diatribe"? Please show some evidence of this

nijinsky i have been the victim of silly insults such as being called a nazi or fascist just because i raised objections to certain people who want an open door policy on immigration,i dont have time to thrawl through hundreds of posts to find the ones were you agreed with these certain people.

[Nijinsky]

tomas_o_ruanaidhno i did not say this nijinsky,just think rationaly now,if 90 percent of asylum seekers are found to be bogus asylum seekers that would indicate 90 percent of them have something to hide or are trying to enter the country ILlEGALY

No it doesnt. It doesnt mean they are bogus at all. It means their asylum application failed, just as somone who applies for a medical card and fails, just as that Limerick girls social welfare application failed. Is she bogus or have something to hide?


tomas_o_ruanaidh: now of course people with ID can be criminals but logicly there is a higher chance of finding out if a person is a criminal or not if they have an id

It depends on whether the id is legit or not or whether they have a criminal record or not

Tomas _o_ruanaidhit is a well known fact ireland has the highest level of immigration per capita than any other country in the world,this is obviously MASS immigration,

So what figure of immigration would be just "immigration" and not "mass immigration"?


Tomas _o_ruanaidhnijinsky i have been the victim of silly insults such as being called a nazi or fascist just because i raised objections to certain people who want an open door policy on immigration,i dont have time to thrawl through hundreds of posts to find the ones were you agreed with these certain people

You wont do it because you know I never engaged in "silly pathetic attacks on peoples character with usual now boring,nazi,fascist,bigot diatribe" as you claimed I did. You shouldnt make this stuff up tomas.

By the way, you previously started a thread based on a posting on a forum called Irish Nationalism. What do you think of that site and its ideology?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

irish nationalisms,forum and there rules are not rascist or fascist in fact they claim to be anti fascist and anti aryan and anti chauvinist,but they do allow some racist types to post there in the intrest of debating them and showing them the error of there ideology,i have many times refuted racists,on irish nationalism,and it should be clear to see that

[Nijinsky]

irish nationalisms,forum and there rules are not rascist or fascist in fact they claim to be anti fascist and anti aryan and anti chauvinist,but they do allow some racist types to post there in the intrest of debating them and showing them the error of there ideology,i have many times refuted racists,on irish nationalism,and it should be clear to see that

You have? I cant find any posts by you there. Why is that?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

you should be able to find a few,im under a different name.Republicansinnfeintom.

[Nijinsky]

you should be able to find a few,im under a different name.Republicansinnfeintom.

Ah right. So it was you that said nigerians are arrogant dirtbird low lifes
was it?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

no i didnt say that nijinsky dont try to misrepresent me,some black guy i know said that,this is an example of why you are silly and pathetic

[Takeshi]

no i didnt say that nijinsky dont try to misrepresent me,some black guy i know said that,this is an example of why you are silly and pathetic

Is he from Kenya? I work with some Kenyans, and to say that they have a low opinion of Nigerians is putting it very mildly.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

no hes from the caribbeans,but i hear alot of africans dont like the nigerians,when i was in Liberia and Sierra leone,the people there didnt like the nigerians either

[Nijinsky]

no i didnt say that nijinsky dont try to misrepresent me,some black guy i know said that,this is an example of why you are silly and pathetic


Well you are quoted as saying that on that other website you claim to post on. Why is that if it wasnt you? Are they doctoring your posts?

[Nijinsky]

no i didnt say that nijinsky dont try to misrepresent me,some black guy i know said that,this is an example of why you are silly and pathetic


Tomas I am after re reading the post that you made in case I made a mistake but it appears I didnt. You DID say that. Heres the full post you made

santiago,it wouldnt bother me who he marries as long as it is a good person,i know if i have a son i will do my best to instill in him a pride and respect for the irish culture and christianity,my fiance is from the kabylie part of algeria and they are almost white anyway,they have a lot of celtic blood in them,they are not arab,but anyway the problem in ireland has nothing to do with coulor because i know a guy who was reared in same area as me since he was born,im 27 so he grew up here in the 80s when times where tough,he is black,and he is a gentleman,now if i compare him to most nigerians,there is a drastic difference,nigerians are arrogant dirtbird low lifes,and it is a charecteristic of there culture,other black nations are not the same as them,but that doesnt mean i want ireland over run with immigrants black white or in between,it would be bad for this nation and its culture,not because of colour but because of practical reasons,like what will they do when there is no work,or when there old,they will be a liability.

See, there it is in black and white tomas. You said it, not some friend of yours as you falsely claimed Why did you lie and deny that you had said it? Are you ashamed of your own views?

Now what was that about being "silly and pathetic"?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

i stand by that post nijinsky there is nothing racist in it,maybe i generalised a bit,but no racism,why did you post my words out of context,that is very underhanded and can only serve to diminish your credibility.

i told you i was debating racists and refuting there ideas that it was all about colour,but you tried to make it look like i was some kind of racist,you are very sly,a snake in the grass.

***edited - no double posting*****by Admin.

[ciaranxavier]

i stand by that post nijinsky there is nothing racist in it,maybe i generalised a bit,but no racism,why did you post my words out of context,that is very underhanded and can only serve to diminish your credibility.

i told you i was debating racists and refuting there ideas that it was all about colour,but you tried to make it look like i was some kind of racist,you are very sly,a snake in the grass.

***edited - no double posting*****by Admin.

lol if you call generalising calling an entire culture of people arrogant dirtbird low lifes then you might be right but you clearly said nigerians. not some nigerians, just nigerians.

why did you post my words out of context,that is very underhanded and can only serve to diminish your credibility.

can you put it into context please?

[Nijinsky]

i stand by that post nijinsky there is nothing racist in it,maybe i generalised a bit,but no racism,why did you post my words out of context,that is very underhanded and can only serve to diminish your credibility.

i told you i was debating racists and refuting there ideas that it was all about colour,but you tried to make it look like i was some kind of racist,you are very sly,a snake in the grass.




I didnt try to do anything tomas. I merely re posted what you had posted, indeed I posted the comment in full. Its there in black and white - I didnt interfere with what you said and indeed you are saying that you are standing over your comment about nigerians. So what was underhanded about posting a comment from you that you stand over?

Tomas, to label Nigerians as "arrogant dirtbird low lifes" is indeed racist and it is your credibility that is undermined, if indeed it could be undermined anymore. If someone labelled the Irish as "arrogant dirtbird low lifes", would you not consider that racist|?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

nijinsky you obviously dont understand what a racist is,i didnt mention colour,or say my ethnicity is superior to any other,the fact is 99 percent of nigerians i have met are ignorent pigs thats my opinion and im entitled to in fact most africans would tell you the same ido you not realise some cultures are less developed than others?it has nothing to do with colour,t.you tried to misquote me and posted out of context,you are a snake in the grass.

[Nijinsky]

nijinsky you obviously dont understand what a racist is,i didnt mention colour,or say my ethnicity is superior to any other,the fact is 99 percent of nigerians i have met are ignorent pigs thats my opinion and im entitled to in fact most africans would tell you the same ido you not realise some cultures are less developed than others?it has nothing to do with colour,t.you tried to misquote me and posted out of context,you are a snake in the grass.


No I did not misquote you. I posted what you said in full. If you are so adamant that I misquoted you show us exactly what you said and where it differs from what I posted.

And you made no mention of per centages of nigerians you MET. You said "Nigerians are arrogant dirtbird low lifes" which is a clear and unequivical statement. It doesnt refer to percentages or those that you met etc.

And you obviously dont understand the meaning or racism, not me.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism

Heres one definition

discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race

You didnt answer whether you thought somone would be racist if they said that the "Irish are arrogant dirtbird low lifes".
Would they be?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

i have no doubt you qouted the definition of racist out of context again to attempt to prove your point so i will give you the actual definition of a racist

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

i have not said either of the above,as for would i think some one is racist if they said irish people are dirt bird low lifes,my answer is of course they wouldnt be racist,that would be there opinion of which there entitled to.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

nijinsky the first time you posted only one line of what i said so as to portray me as a racist,you posted what i said out of context,it is only after i insisted on this that you posted the whole comment,you are a low life your not worth my time.

[Nijinsky]

i have no doubt you qouted the definition of racist out of context again to attempt to prove your point so i will give you the actual definition of a racist

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

i have not said either of the above,as for would i think some one is racist if they said irish people are dirt bird low lifes,my answer is of course they wouldnt be racist,that would be there opinion of which there entitled to.


And if you read a bit further you would also see that

discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race


is also a definition of racism, but you chose to ignore that. So your comments were indeed racist Tom

[Nijinsky]

Oh and Tom No I did not misquote you. I posted what you said in full. If you are so adamant that I misquoted you show us exactly what you said and where it differs from what I posted.

[East Tyrone]

nijinsky the first time you posted only one line of what i said so as to portray me as a racist,you posted what i said out of context,it is only after i insisted on this that you posted the whole comment,you are a low life your not worth my time.

Tomas O Ruanaidh Not a Racist!
http://valdefierro.com/fted014.jpg

[Nijinsky]

nijinsky the first time you posted only one line of what i said so as to portray me as a racist,you posted what i said out of context,it is only after i insisted on this that you posted the whole comment,you are a low life your not worth my time.

What part of "Nigerians are arrogant dirtbird low lifes" was taken out of context? Or are you now saying that Nigerians are not now "arrogant dirtbird low lifes"?

I read the whole post and reproduced it here Tom. So what is the context in which you believe it is justifiable to abuse Nigerians and describe them as "arrogant dirtbird low lifes"?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

nijinsky it is my opinion that the nigerian culture is polor opposite to irish culture,and from my experience most of the nigerians i have met are pig ignorant.

[belfast rep]

nijinsky it is my opinion that the nigerian culture is polor opposite to irish culture,and from my experience most of the nigerians i have met are pig ignorant.

well Nijinsky go ahead prove he is racist, you'll never do it while he expresses the above unbiased opinions:hmmm:
is this flective of RSF policy, is it taught in their recruitment procedures? Enoch.

[Nijinsky]

nijinsky it is my opinion that the nigerian culture is polor opposite to irish culture,and from my experience most of the nigerians i have met are pig ignorant.

Tom, what part of "Nigerians are arrogant dirtbird low lifes" was taken out of context? You also said that I misquoted you. What is the exact quote you used then?

What is the context in which you believe it is justifiable to abuse Nigerians and describe them as "arrogant dirtbird low lifes"?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

nijinsky go take a high jump of a cliff you useless entity.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

BELFAST REP did i say this was RSF policy,or are you just talking shiit again.

[belfast rep]

nijinsky go take a high jump of a cliff you useless entity.
and with that i think Nijinisky takes the day(not that you could call it hard work_)

[belfast rep]

BELFAST REP did i say this was RSF policy,or are you just talking shiit again.

I'll take that as a no, Enoch

[RSF-Fianoglach]

belfast,do you know many nigerians?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

nijinsky do you know many nigerians?

[belfast rep]

belfast,do you know many nigerians?
no, so. there many nations i don't know,
but ib don't go in for racial stereo typing
do you agree that the Irish are Stupid, drunken, rowdy and lazy, and always up to no good?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

belfast rep since you dont know many nigerians your not realy in a position to comment,i know many many nigerians,and many other africans,and believe me even the other africans know the nigerian culture is completly different than most others,

also most irish people do like to have a drink,and there not shy about having a punch up either,so some generalisations are roughly on point.

[belfast rep]

belfast rep since you dont know many nigerians your not realy in a position to comment,i know many many nigerians,and many other africans,and believe me even the other africans know the nigerian culture is completly different than most others,

also most irish people do like to have a drink,and there not shy about having a punch up either,so some generalisations are roughly on point.

Most Irish people like to fight, get real, what about them being stupid( or pig ignorant)
or lazy
that is another racial stereotype.
which african nation would at present have the most immigrants here?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

nigerians make up the biggest immigrant population of all non europeans,i have never heard of the irish being called stupid or lazy in fact they have a reputation to be quite the opposite,

ps why is it people are willing to accept positive generallisations but never any negayive,its a cop out.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

also i notice you didnt object to the generalisation of irish people liking a drink.....maybe because its true.....and its a generalisation.so some generalisations are true.

[belfast rep]

also i notice you didnt object to the generalisation of irish people liking a drink.....maybe because its true.....and its a generalisation.so some generalisations are true.
its a world generalisation not a national (racial )characteristic now answer the questions.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

your above statement is incomprehensible.

[belfast rep]

[QUOTE=tomas_o_ruanaidh;54743]nigerians make up the biggest immigrant population of all non europeans,
thought there was a reason for your witch hunt
i have never heard of the irish being called stupid or lazy in fact they have a reputation to be quite the opposite,

are you for real, you've never a Paddy joke or that Irish people called lazy? is this another one of your wee spoof's?

ps why is it people are willing to accept positive generallisations but never any negayive,its a cop out
because the negative is ususally put forward as a means to belittle or cause cause racial stereo tying so that people like you (Racist') can feel(wrongly) superior and have someone to look down upon.
much like i have know people who have expressed strong anti-gay views who turned out to be homosexual.

[Nijinsky]

Tom, what part of "Nigerians are arrogant dirtbird low lifes" was taken out of context? You also said that I misquoted you. What is the exact quote you used then?

What is the context in which you believe it is justifiable to abuse Nigerians and describe them as "arrogant dirtbird low lifes"?


Still waiting for your answer Tom. Dont be shy now

[RSF-Fianoglach]

belfast rep if i was to start a witch hunt it would not be against nigerians it would be against the likes of you,i have no problem with nigerians coming to ireland as long as they respect the culture and people of ireland,and as long as they contribute to society and dont bum off the state.

i have lived in england for a couple of years and i never once heard the irish refered to as stupid or lazy,surely i would have heard it there if it was a common thing.

the fact is you liberalist PC heads are nothing but fools,were will your PC crusade end,maybe when we cant say peodophilia is wrong incase we offend the peodophile,thats were you people are heading.

[Nijinsky]

nijinsky it is my opinion that the nigerian culture is polor opposite to irish culture,and from my experience most of the nigerians i have met are pig ignorant.


From my experience most people I know that claim nigerians are pig ignorant are racist bigots. Coincidence or what?

[Nijinsky]

Tom i have lived in england for a couple of years

So you were an immigrant yourself?

Tommaybe when we cant say peodophilia is wrong incase we offend the peodophile,thats were you people are heading

How do you make that out?

And have you figures for Nigerian immigrants?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

from my expierience nijinsky most people who jump to the defence of a culture they nothing about are usualy middle class know nothing do gooders,who have no clue about the real world,coincidence or what?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

england occupies my country i have every legal right to get what i can from the oppresers,as far as i know ireland never occupied nigeria,so what legal right have they to be here?

i will get figures for you if you want them,no problem

[belfast rep]

[QUOTE=tomas_o_ruanaidh;54754]belfast rep if i was to start a witch hunt it would not be against nigerians it would be against the likes of you,i have no problem with nigerians coming to ireland as long as they respect the culture and people of ireland,and as long as they contribute to society and dont bum off the state.

here i am come and get me. but they are haven't a chance now they been declared low life and pig ignorant ( you calling some one ignorant, pure class)

i have lived in england for a couple of years and i never once heard the irish refered to as stupid or lazy,surely i would have heard it there if it was a common thing.
are you for real, maybe you were at too many BNP meeting

[belfast rep]

the fact is you liberalist PC heads are nothing but fools,were will your PC crusade end,
hopefully in a 32 county socialist republic 'and i pity the fool' who doesn't want that.
maybe when we cant say peodophilia is wrong incase we offend the peodophile,thats were you people are heading.

why would that word be banned, it doesn't mean anything

[Nijinsky]

from my expierience nijinsky most people who jump to the defence of a culture they nothing about are usualy middle class know nothing do gooders,who have no clue about the real world,coincidence or what?


No, it means you know f*ck all.

[Nijinsky]

Still waiting for your answer Tom. Dont be shy now


Still waiting Tom

[RSF-Fianoglach]

so belfast rep you believe there is nothing wrong with peodophelia,you sick man.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

did i hit a nerve nijinsky you middle class know nothing,do gooder.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

figures for asylum applications

[Nijinsky]

did i hit a nerve nijinsky you middle class know nothing,do gooder.

No Tom because I am not middle class, though what that has to do with your racist views on Nigerians is beyond me

[Nijinsky]

figures for asylum applications

No figures for Nigerian immigrants have you as you said you get for us?

[belfast rep]

so belfast rep you believe there is nothing wrong with peodophelia,you sick man.
what is it?

[Nijinsky]

so belfast rep you believe there is nothing wrong with peodophelia,you sick man.

Where did he say that? Resorting to lying again are you?

You still didnt tell us what part of your post I misquoted.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

nijinsky its pathetic that you lie about your background,you are certainly not working class,you and your opinions are light years away from the opinions of the ordinary man in the street.you are an absolute moronic type of person that blindly follows the socialist agenda,use your brain,and come into reality.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

nijinsky when im writing to you ill use your stupid name,when i write to belfast rep that means im not writing to you do you understand ??

[Nijinsky]

nijinsky its pathetic that you lie about your background,you are certainly not working class,you and your opinions are light years away from the opinions of the ordinary man in the street.you are an absolute moronic type of person that blindly follows the socialist agenda,use your brain,and come into reality.


No Tom, its pathetic that you cant back up what you say and have to resort to lying. I'm working class and couldnt care less what you think.

I dont care what a racist bigot such as yourself thinks.

[Nijinsky]

nijinsky when im writing to you ill use your stupid name,when i write to belfast rep that means im not writing to you do you understand ??


Of course I do but you still didnt show where he is supposed to have said that there is nothing wrong with paedophilia

[Nijinsky]

Still waiting to see where I misquoted you.

And those figures for Nigerian immigrants as well please.

[belfast rep]

No Tom, its pathetic that you cant back up what you say and have to resort to lying. I'm working class and couldnt care less what you think.

I dont care what a racist bigot such as yourself thinks.

My good man you can come into any debate i am involved if and where you please.

[belfast rep]

Of course I do but you still didnt show where he is supposed to have said that there is nothing wrong with paedophilia

oh thats what he was trying to spell, i would try to get rid the practice rather than the word. but i do think any religious person bringing the discussion in the direction of paedophillia is a tad unwise.

[belfast rep]

[QUOTE=tomas_o_ruanaidh;54784]nijinsky when im writing to you ill use your stupid name,

of course you think it is a stupid name thats because to you it does sound a bit foreign

[RSF-Fianoglach]

why would that be belfast rep,do you know of any religion that teaches peodophelia?

[belfast rep]

why would that be belfast rep,do you know of any religion that teaches peodophelia?
but they do have an abnormally high number of people involved in it.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

you didnt answer the question,as for religions having a high proportion of peodos in it,i believe your talking about the catholic church,which isnt realy christian

[belfast rep]

you didnt answer the question,as for religions having a high proportion of peodos in it,i believe your talking about the catholic church,which isnt realy christian
i am talking about religious organisations

[belfast rep]

you didnt answer the question,as for religions having a high proportion of peodos in it,i believe your talking about the catholic church,which isnt realy christian
and if i remember the bible didnt frown young marriages?
when are you going to ask Nijinisky

[RSF-Fianoglach]

are you not just generalising there belfast rep ? hypocrite

[RSF-Fianoglach]

you obviously never read the bible.you must be thinking of the koran,as mohammed the islamic prophet married a 9 year old.

[belfast rep]

why would that be belfast rep,do you know of any religion that teaches peodophelia?

oops i missed your point there where did i say teaches? iwould say practices and covers up would be more my point

[belfast rep]

you obviously never read the bible.you must be thinking of the koran,as mohammed the islamic prophet married a 9 year old.
oh i have read the bible it killed my belief in god

[RSF-Fianoglach]

so your generalising all christians,implying there all closet peodoes,the hypocrisy of you is shocking.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

realy which part of the bible killed your belief in GOD? or maybe it was that you never realy had any belief to begin with.

[belfast rep]

are you not just generalising there belfast rep ? hypocrite


abnormally high is not a generalisation, it is a fact, do religious order's as organisations not have an abnormlly high number of cases of this vile practice?
yes or no

[belfast rep]

realy which part of the bible killed your belief in GOD? or maybe it was that you never realy had any belief to begin with.

when i realised lord of the rings made more sense

[Nijinsky]

Tom you are still refusing to answer what I asked you repeatedly. Why is that?

Where exactly did I misquote you? What words did you actually use if what I posted is incorrect?

What context made it ok for you to describe Nigerians as you did?

Any sign of those figures that you promised us on Nigerian immigration Tom?

[Nijinsky]

Tom you are still refusing to answer what I asked you repeatedly. Why is that?

Where exactly did I misquote you? What words did you actually use if what I posted is incorrect?

What context made it ok for you to describe Nigerians as you did?

Any sign of those figures that you promised us on Nigerian immigration Tom?

Ahem

[ciaranxavier]

realy which part of the bible killed your belief in GOD? or maybe it was that you never realy had any belief to begin with.

why are you turning every thread into a debate on religion, stop trying to convince everyone to convert to your ways or at least keep it confined to one topic.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

ciaron if you opened your bloody eyes you would see it is the retards around here who keep bringing up religion not me,they stray of subject as soon as they realise there making a balls of the crap there trying to spew

[RSF-Fianoglach]

nijinsky i will quote another proverb from the holy bible,which sums up my answer to you.

(1:7). Try as you like, attempting to teach a fool is frustrating at best, and often painful. Whenever a fool is faced with wisdom and instruction, he will reject it.

[ciaranxavier]

ciaron if you opened your bloody eyes you would see it is the retards around here who keep bringing up religion not me,they stray of subject as soon as they realise there making a balls of the crap there trying to spew

you should watch your tongue being one of the lord and all.

[Koneko]

tomas, back on topic. talk religion on the appropriate thread.

[Nijinsky]

nijinsky i will quote another proverb from the holy bible,which sums up my answer to you.

(1:7). Try as you like, attempting to teach a fool is frustrating at best, and often painful. Whenever a fool is faced with wisdom and instruction, he will reject it.


Why dont you actually answer what you are asked? Are you afraid to do so Tom?

Where exactly did I misquote you? What words did you actually use if what I posted is incorrect?

What context made it ok for you to describe Nigerians as you did?

Any sign of those figures that you promised us on Nigerian immigration Tom?

[belfast rep]

ciaron if you opened your bloody eyes you would see it is the retards around here who keep bringing up religion not me,they stray of subject as soon as they realise there making a balls of the crap there trying to spew

retards wow Enoch the tolerant strikes again.

[belfast rep]

Why dont you actually answer what you are asked? Are you afraid to do so Tom?

Where exactly did I misquote you? What words did you actually use if what I posted is incorrect?

What context made it ok for you to describe Nigerians as you did?

Any sign of those figures that you promised us on Nigerian immigration Tom?

i think i just saw tumble weed rool across this post

[Nijinsky]

i think i just saw tumble weed rool across this post

Yeah, its amazing how quick he is to repeatedly post his nonsense but then shys away from answering when challenged to back up his assertions and lies.

[Nijinsky]

Why dont you actually answer what you are asked? Are you afraid to do so Tom?

Where exactly did I misquote you? What words did you actually use if what I posted is incorrect?

What context made it ok for you to describe Nigerians as you did?

Any sign of those figures that you promised us on Nigerian immigration Tom?


Now that you are back online Tom perhaps you might like to answer the above?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

ive answered you many times already nijinsky,but you havent got the intelligence to comprehend the answer so im not wasting any more time with you,

[Nijinsky]

ive answered you many times already nijinsky,but you havent got the intelligence to comprehend the answer so im not wasting any more time with you,


No Tom, you have not answered the questions I posed to you above?

You claimed I misquoted you but you refuse to tell us what exactly you did say if you didnt say what I quoted you as doing. I am not suprised you wont answer as that was a LIE, a blatant lie by you. I quoted you word for word in your racist remarks.

You still havent shown us immigration figures for Nigerians despite saying you would. Why is that Tom?

And what context made it ok for you to describe Nigerians as you did?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

You claimed I misquoted you but you refuse to tell us what exactly you did say if you didnt say what I quoted you as doing. I am not suprised you wont answer as that was a LIE, a blatant lie by you. I quoted you word for word in your racist remarks.

you did misquote me,you highlighted a part in my post that you posted out of context,only after i highlighted this to you,did you post the full post.

You still havent shown us immigration figures for Nigerians despite saying you would. Why is that Tom?

This small peripheral island continues to attract more Nigerian asylum seekers than any other country in the world! This, despite the fact that there are no direct transport links in existence between the two or even despite the lengthy and expensive journeys necessary to get here.

For example, Ireland over the past seven years has processed 250% more Nigerian asylum applications than did the UK., a country which by the way does operate regularly scheduled air connections. What is all the more bizarre is the fact that 80% of Nigerian asylum applicants reportedly turn up here claiming to have no passports!

Ireland nigerian asylum figures for 2000 3,404,2001 3,461,2002 4,049,2003 3,110,2004 1,776,2005 1,276,2006 1,037.plus many more illegal nigerians,numbers for which are impossible to calculate as they are illegal.

And what context made it ok for you to describe Nigerians as you did?

this is my opinion,and the opinion of most of the people i have met who have come into contact with nigerians,the nigerian culture clashes with the irish culture,in such a way that alot of nigerians come across as ignorent people with a bad attitude,this is the common perception anyone i have met who have had dealings with nigerians,and this is including non nigerian africans who mostly have no time for nigerians.

[Nijinsky]

Tom you did misquote me,you highlighted a part in my post that you posted out of context,only after i highlighted this to you,did you post the full post.

No Tom, I did not misquote you. I posted EXACTLY what you said. You are wrong and you should have the b*alls to admit that. The context of your racist abuse of Nigerians was quite clear for all to see.


Tom This small peripheral island continues to attract more Nigerian asylum seekers than any other country in the world! For example, Ireland over the past seven years has processed 250% more Nigerian asylum applications than did the UK., a country which by the way does operate regularly scheduled air connections. What is all the more bizarre is the fact that 80% of Nigerian asylum applicants reportedly turn up here claiming to have no passports! Ireland nigerian asylum figures for 2000 3,404,2001 3,461,2002 4,049,2003 3,110,2004 1,776,2005 1,276,2006 1,037.plus many more illegal nigerians,numbers for which are impossible to calculate as they are illegal.

Tom, they are asylum seekers, not immigrants. You said you would get us figures for Nigerian immigrants. Any chance of doing so?

Tom this is my opinion,and the opinion of most of the people i have met who have come into contact with nigerians,the nigerian culture clashes with the irish culture,in such a way that alot of nigerians come across as ignorent people with a bad attitude,this is the common perception anyone i have met who have had dealings with nigerians,and this is including non nigerian africans who mostly have no time for nigerians

How is that your (or anyone elses) opinion of all Nigerians considering you havent met them all? How stupid is somone that judges an entire race or nationality of people on the basis of some people that he doesnt like? Perhaps those Nigerians you met were ignorant with you because they dont like racist liars themselves :hmmm: Or perhaps you are just trying to use it to justify your blatantly racist comments, which it doesnt justify in any way whatsoever.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

nijinsky are the black africans who think most nigerians are ignorent pigs racist too?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

well nijinsky has the cat got your tounge or did you just realise how stupid your assertions are?

nijinsky are the black africans who think most nigerians are ignorent pigs racist too?

[RSF-Fianoglach]

still waiting nijinsky,tick tock tick tock.

[belfast rep]

nijinsky are the black africans who think most nigerians are ignorent pigs racist too?
none of the Africans, white or black i met think that,

[Takeshi]

none of the Africans, white or black i met think that,

I work with a few Kenyan people who think that nigerians are pretty low on the food chain.

[ciaranxavier]

nijinsky are the black africans who think most nigerians are ignorent pigs racist too?

yes they are, or bigots one of the two i dont feel like looking up definitions.

[ciaranxavier]

well nijinsky has the cat got your tounge or did you just realise how stupid your assertions are?

your one to talk im still waiting for a reply on mysteries of the universe , is there a god? and Realism is not Racism in the immigration debate. so does the cat got your tongue tom? oh wait did the cat get your tongue twice tom?

[ciaranxavier]

I work with a few Kenyan people who think that nigerians are pretty low on the food chain.

your in america the heartland of bigotry and racism.

[Nijinsky]

nijinsky are the black africans who think most nigerians are ignorent pigs racist too?


ANYONE that spouts such sh*t and brands an entire race or nationality is of course racist and bigoted, just like you are Tom.

[Nijinsky]

still waiting nijinsky,tick tock tick tock.

Tom, if you had asked me when I was still online I would have answered you right away. I dont have superpowers yet that allow me to know when you have asked me a question when I am not viewing this site or offline.

The difference between me and you Tom is that when you are online, when you are viewing this forum, you continually refuse to answer what you are asked.

So on top of you being a racist and a liar as proven here, you are also a coward

[ciaranxavier]

:stupid:

[Takeshi]

your in america the heartland of bigotry and racism.

You said that people who degraded Nigerians were bigots, and yet you engage in the same bigoted attitudes towards Americans. So, you're a hypocrite, a bigot and a huge, self righteous idiot.

[ciaranxavier]

You said that people who degraded Nigerians were bigots, and yet you engage in the same bigoted attitudes towards Americans. So, you're a hypocrite, a bigot and a huge, self righteous idiot.

no i disagree with the agressive foreign politics america employs to economically exploit these underdeveloped countries. and america is founded on racism and slaves my friend theirs no denying that. wait your not my friend i retract that word.

[RSF-Fianoglach]

ANYONE that spouts such sh*t and brands an entire race or nationality is of course racist and bigoted, just like you are Tom.

nijinsky when did i brand an entire race anything? i was talking about the nigerian,CULTURE,not there race,which is black african. you walter mitty types blatant liar

[ciaranxavier]

nijinsky when did i brand an entire race anything? i was talking about the nigerian,CULTURE,not there race,which is black african. you walter mitty types blatant liar

who cares anyways right TOM according to your theory as long as they stay out there all right with you right??? and your a BIGOT, if not a racist. is that going to help clear it up for you?

[Nijinsky]

nijinsky when did i brand an entire race anything? i was talking about the nigerian,CULTURE,not there race,which is black african. you walter mitty types blatant liar


Tom, the racist comment referred to is your comment about "Nigerians", not Nigerian culture or anything else. You are a racist, a liar and a coward. Now any chance of answering the questins you were asked or any chance of backing up your claims that you continue to run away from?

So where exactly have I told a lie Tom? Please show us.

Its yourself that has been proven to be a Liar. You claime dI misquoted you. I didnt, I cut and pasted your post - I did not misquote you. What i quoted you as saying is exactly what was said. So please show us one post where I lied and please answer what you have been asked.

[belfast rep]

Tom, the racist comment referred to is your comment about "Nigerians", not Nigerian culture or anything else. You are a racist, a liar and a coward. Now any chance of answering the questins you were asked or any chance of backing up your claims that you continue to run away from?

So where exactly have I told a lie Tom? Please show us.

Its yourself that has been proven to be a Liar. You claime dI misquoted you. I didnt, I cut and pasted your post - I did not misquote you. What i quoted you as saying is exactly what was said. So please show us one post where I lied and please answer what you have been asked.

Are you still waiting for hell to freeze over

[Nijinsky]

Are you still waiting for hell to freeze over

Seems like it doesnt it?