Join the 32 County Sovereignty Movement

[quirk]

If you are interested in joining the 32CSM or require further information concerning any aspect of the 32CSM please E-mail us at the address below. To help us assist you more please include your full name, general location and a day time telephone number and a representative of the 32CSM will contact you as soon as is practicable.


joinus@32csm.info

[MarkyMark]

not to be a buzzhawk, but doesnt joining the 32s mean you are banned from the USA?

[Foyleview]

Don t be silly ! Join Sinn Fein.

[Éire32CS]

^great intellectual input once again

Marky it is designated as a FTO so I would presume their is drawbacks as being a member if trying to enter the USA but I will leave it to Quirk to confirm as he will have a better understanding and view of the situation.

[ardonian]

I don't think this was made as a debating thread start a new thread with your concerns or questions.

[MarkyMark]

would it not make sense to ask questions in relation to "joining 32CSM" in a thread titled "join 32csm".

and dont tell me what to do

[ardonian]

the mod speaks its not a debating thread .

[MarkyMark]

huh? if there are questions in relation to being a member of 32CSM its ok

the reason i said that is because the legality of the organisation in the US would be of interest to people. I didnt see any debate taking place in this thread

[ardonian]

I said concerns or questions i think it was put there for the reason of information not debate.

[Foyleview]

^great intellectual input once again

Marky it is designated as a FTO so I would presume their is drawbacks as being a member if trying to enter the USA but I will leave it to Quirk to confirm as he will have a better understanding and view of the situation.

thanks a chara. you are obviously a person with knowledge and preception.

[Éire32CS]

It means alot,I can sleep tonight now.

[quirk]

The situation in the US is that the RIRA are designated as a foreign terrorist organisation (FTO) and the US government say that the 32CSM and IRPWA are in fact aliases for the IRA.

[East Tyrone]

If you are interested in joining the 32CSM or require further information concerning any aspect of the 32CSM please E-mail us at the address below. To help us assist you more please include your full name, general location and a day time telephone number and a representative of the 32CSM will contact you as soon as is practicable.


joinus@32csm.info

Do you not think that it would be wise to add a disclaimer that any information given will be readily available to the various security agencies that will no doubt be monitoring your site?

[ardonian]

Its not an illegal organisation so why?

[East Tyrone]

Why? Would you want MI5, CIA etc having your name on a list if you had a clean head?

[galwayman666]

i would like more information on the 32csm movement, as i would possibly like to join.

firstly, if i join, would america ban me from entering the country(thats a bit of a problem cos i have family there)

i currently live in england (moved from galway), would i stil be able to join?

on a random note, roughly how many members are there of the 32 csm?

thanks

[D.O.A]

Do you not think that it would be wise to add a disclaimer that any information given will be readily available to the various security agencies that will no doubt be monitoring your site?


Don't mean to sound a dummy but can they do that???

[MarkyMark]

Its not an illegal organisation so why?
it is in the USA

[MarkyMark]

Don't mean to sound a dummy but can they do that???

usually a warrant is required but they can obtain one in the "interest of national security" quite easily.

The Irish government arent particularly good at online surveillance however the brits and US are. Always be mindful of disclosing personal details over the internet or on public forums

[Armaghrifleteam]

usually a warrant is required but they can obtain one in the "interest of national security" quite easily.

The Irish government arent particularly good at online surveillance however the brits and US are. Always be mindful of disclosing personal details over the internet or on public forums

Well said Mo Chara:eusa_clap::eusa_clap::eusa_clap:, I think this should be #1 on everyones mind before posting something... Better Safe than sorry

[QuinnP]

I cant join cuz I live in the US, but I support you all.

[eghzarw]

I cant join cuz I live in the US, but I support you all.

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I support Provisional Sinn Fein.


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[QuinnP]

darn I forgott toii erase that...... Thanx

[Dúiche Néill]

darn I forgott toii erase that...... Thanx

You could form your own RIRA brigade with all those rats QuinnP, are those snakes in the grass at all?

Sorry couldn't resist that one. :redface:

[eghzarw]

You could form your own RIRA brigade with all those rats QuinnP, are those snakes in the grass at all?

Sorry couldn't resist that one. :redface:

Oh, of course you couldn't :eusa_silenced:

[QuinnP]

my snake lives in a tank with Astro-Turf!!!

[wrestler313]

i would like to learn more as well,along with sinn fein, but i am in the us so i guess i couldn't join

[saoirsebean]

new here folks, who are the csm folk on here :confused:

[Mellows1922]

Sean I deleted that nonsense, this is (or should be) an information thread for the 32s, there is no need for you to be in here stirring, plenty of other threads for you to play in mo chara.

[Seán1798]

Sean I deleted that nonsense, this is (or should be) an information thread for the 32s, there is no need for you to be in here stirring, plenty of other threads for you to play in mo chara.

Sorry, I was only joking though, it's a funny photo

[mark kerry]

Is it true that the 32csm recognise Leinster house?

[quirk]

Is it true that the 32csm recognise Leinster house?

No. Who told you they did?

[mark kerry]

Before the 32csm was formed what political orginasition did most of its founding members belong to.

[quirk]

Sinn Fein.

[mark kerry]

when you say sinn fein i presume you mean provisional sinn fein, is it true that 32csm broke away from PSF because of their decision to enter storment? If so why didnt the 32csm break away with the republicans in 1986 because from the way i understand it didnt PSF recognise Leinster House and if your members in 32csm didnt break away in1986 wouldnt that mean that you have recognised leinster house in the past and if so how can people take you seriously if you have recognised Leinster House in the past and now you dont

[Liam Lynch]

when you say sinn fein i presume you mean provisional sinn fein, is it true that 32csm broke away from PSF because of their decision to enter storment? If so why didnt the 32csm break away with the republicans in 1986 because from the way i understand it didnt PSF recognise Leinster House and if your members in 32csm didnt break away in1986 wouldnt that mean that you have recognised leinster house in the past and if so how can people take you seriously if you have recognised Leinster House in the past and now you dont

No, its not. Your logic would infer that Sinn Fein should not be taken seriously because it was once in favour of dual monarchy.

[quirk]

No, its not. Your logic would infer that Sinn Fein should not be taken seriously because it was once in favour of dual monarchy.

Exactly. This criticism of the 32csm which I have heard countless times now seeks to hold us to a standard to which the person making the criticism refuses to hold themselves and the organisation which they support, which I assume is RSF.

[kev86]

He still does have a reasonable point tho, about why you didnt stay with RSF in 86

[mark kerry]

Then why did 32csm break from PSF.

[Liam Lynch]

He still does have a reasonable point tho

He doesn't really because firstly, he has to justify reducing republicanism to abstentionism and secondly he has to demonstrate how abstentionism has advanced republicanism in the way which he defines it.

[Liam Lynch]

Then why did 32csm break from PSF.

Because during the negotiations with the British it emerged that they hadn't defended Irish sovereignty nor indeed adopted our inalienable right to sovereignty as their basic negotiation stance.

[quirk]

He still does have a reasonable point tho, about why you didnt stay with RSF in 86

Well why some members didn't stay with RSF is a complicated question and I am sure it differs for different people. However alot of the current members of the 32CSM did stay with RSF or have been members of RSF so trying to say these people recognise Leinster house is a dud argument. You also must take into account that there is currently many within RSF who where members of the provos after 1986. SHould these people be held to this standard and declared to still therefore support Leinster house. What about the organisation to which they now belong - should it by extension also be deemed to support Leinster house then?

[kev86]

Well why some members didn't stay with RSF is a complicated question and I am sure it differs for different people. However alot of the current members of the 32CSM did stay with RSF or have been members of RSF so trying to say these people recognise Leinster house is a dud argument. You also must take into account that there is currently many within RSF who where members of the provos after 1986. SHould these people be held to this standard and declared to still therefore support Leinster house. What about the organisation to which they now belong - should it by extension also be deemed to support Leinster house then?

You are picking me up wrong comrade, im not saying the 32s recognise leinster house, all i was sayin was its a fair question why instead of waiting 11years to set up a new group why those who did didnt just stay with RSF in 86.
The rest of the things you said i agree with.

[quirk]

Most of my points where directed to those who do argue that such as Mark is doing. However I was a child in 1986 so I can't really answer and again I would think it is an individual thing.

[mark kerry]

I refuse to hold myself to what standard? All I wish to do is seek information about the 32csm's political principles, after all this is a recruiting forum for the 32csm.

[Liam Lynch]

I refuse to hold myself to what standard? All I wish to do is seek information about the 32csm's political principles, after all this is a recruiting forum for the 32csm.

And the primary principle of the 32CSM is that the sovereignty of the Irish people is inalienable and indefeasable. As it was before the existence of Leinster House.

[quirk]

I refuse to hold myself to what standard? All I wish to do is seek information about the 32csm's political principles, after all this is a recruiting forum for the 32csm.

You are saying because some founding members of the 32CSM once (before the existence of the 32csm) may have recognised Leinster house therefore the 32CSM today recognises Leinster house.

If that is your logic then do you agree that RSF support a dual monarchy considering that Sinn Fein once supported this?

[mark kerry]

If what all of you are saying is true then why did the founders of 32csm split republicans further by forming 32csm. Why did they simply not join Republican Sinn Fein.

[Liam Lynch]

If what all of you are saying is true then why did the founders of 32csm split republicans further by forming 32csm. Why did they simply not join Republican Sinn Fein.

But that's just as much a question for RSF as it is for the 32CSM. And again you have to explain why republicanism should be reduced to A, abstentionism and B, an event in 1986? What did republicanism predicate itself upon prior to the establishment of Leinster House?

[saoirsebean]

new here folks, who are the csm folk on here :confused:

anyone, feel free to pm am interested in educating myself here

[quirk]

Are you looking to join the 32CSM?

[Liam Lynch]

anyone, feel free to pm am interested in educating myself here

The main 32CSM Website is here.

http://32csm.info/index.html

[saoirsebean]

The main 32CSM Website is here.

http://32csm.info/index.html

cheers liam

[mynameisstíofán]

So, in regards to the 32CSM as an FTO, I'm still fairly new to this concept of dubbing everything a terrorist organization that display the slightest bit of dissent, what is the concern or liability for American citizens exploring this organization?

[kev86]

what is the concern or liability for American citizens exploring this organization?

Its illegal for americans to join and/or give finiancial support to the 32s,and other groups on their FTO list such as RSF.

As far as i believe anyway.

[mynameisstíofán]

Are either of these organizations presently linked to some form of armed physical action? It doesn't make sense to me that it can be made illegal to support a political organization that isn't linked to violence. Well, I mean it makes sense on the premise that the American government is too busy lessening citizens' rights and involving itself in things that have nothing to do with it... but it certainly isn't reasonable.

[Ed Gein]

I dont see 32csm on the FTO..............I'm trying to get info if I can join from Canada.......I might be able to help Americans

[Éire32CS]

I would assume they have the 32CSM place under the heading of 'Real IRA' as they reason they are on the FTO is because they deem the two organisations to be inseperable from each other.

[Lisa]

Are either of these organizations presently linked to some form of armed physical action? It doesn't make sense to me that it can be made illegal to support a political organization that isn't linked to violence. Well, I mean it makes sense on the premise that the American government is too busy lessening citizens' rights and involving itself in things that have nothing to do with it... but it certainly isn't reasonable.

Ha! you got that right!!

[bay]

no, it's not reasonable. there a couple of organizations state-side we can join... will raise eyebrows, but they aren't illegal for us yet.... their work mostly is to support the POWS in Ireland

[mynameisstíofán]

For those interested...

I came across an interesting website with a detailing of a court proceeding in the US in which then 32 County Sovereignty Committee brought forth argument against the designation of Foreign Terrorist Organization.

http://www.ll.georgetown.edu/federal/judicial/dc/opinions/01opinions/01-1270a.html