32CSM uncover huge drugs haul in East Tyrone

[andreas]

32CSM uncover huge drugs haul in East Tyrone
Posted on 31/1/2008 at 14:39:19 by The Sovereign Nation

On Tuesday 29th January a number of members of the 32 County Sovereignty Movement in East Tyrone uncovered a huge cannabis factory in the Kildress area. The members were alerted to the drug factory when they recieved a number of complaints of anti social behaviour in this house and the surrounding area.

On entering the premises the republican activists found a huge amount of cannabis in various stages of growth as well as assorted parapenalia for its cultivation such as vents, heaters and a sprinkler system.

The 32 CSM members took a local priest along in order to witness them uncovering the drugs haul and to leave him to do with that knowledge as he saw fit.

The discovery of such a huge operation by the 32CSM has undoubtedly helped in the fight against criminality and drugs in this rural area and we commend our members for their actions. We also urge anyone with information on drug dealing and anti social behaviour to contact the 32 County Sovereignty Movement

[Lappy]

32CSM uncover huge drugs haul in East Tyrone
Posted on 31/1/2008 at 14:39:19 by The Sovereign Nation


The 32 CSM members took a local priest along in order to witness them uncovering the drugs haul and to leave him to do with that knowledge as he saw fit.



I wonder what they had in mind

[Comrade Ryan]

I wonder what they had in mind

I wonder what that question means?

[Lappy]

I wonder what that question means?

It was just a simple thought I had. Wouldn't consider it as a question.

[Comrade Ryan]

It was just a simple thought I had. Wouldn't consider it as a question.

Well unfortuantely what you posted was a question - not providing a question mark, whilst being poor punctuation, does not stop it from being a question.

What did you mean by it? Please do elaborate on your 'simple' thought process?

Seems like a bit of implied prose without the b*lls to actually say what you mean.

[Lappy]

Well unfortuantely what you posted was a question - not providing a question mark, whilst being poor punctuation, does not stop it from being a question.

What did you mean by it? Please do elaborate on your 'simple' thought process?

Seems like a bit of implied prose without the b*lls to actually say what you mean.


As i said, it was just a simple thought.

[quirk]

But what does the thought mean. I dont get it.

[Comrade Ryan]

But what does the thought mean. I dont get it.

Neither do I, although the mere fact that this person does not wish to elaborate would indicate to me that it was an attempt to imply a negative without having the fortitude to actually say it.

[Comrade Ryan]

As i said, it was just a simple thought.

Well i agree with you on one thing - it was a 'simple' thought.

[Mellows1922]

But what does the thought mean. I dont get it.

I would assume he means that "they left the priest to do as he saw fit" i.e. ring the peelers. The 32CSM don't support engagement but it's ok if they lead the horse to water.

Either way, fair play to everybody involved, be good to see more of this type of community activism on a wider scale all round.

[Lappy]

The important thing here is the fact that another drugs factory has been closed down and that must be welcomed.

[Rory O'Connor]

Congratulations to the 32 County Sovereignty Movement for discovering the drugs.

[ardonian]

Well done lads.

[East Tyrone]

First Pomeroy now Kildress, the poor auld Yorkshire pudding will be in the quare diff now.

[mickyk200]

First Pomeroy now Kildress, the poor auld Yorkshire pudding will be in the quare diff now.
East Tyrone, any men in black uniforms called to you're door lately? lol

[belfast rep]

East Tyrone, any men in black uniforms called to you're door lately? lol
i did wonder when i saw the headline drugs found in East Tyrone,

[East Tyrone]

Naw, Kildress is up in the Sperrins; I'm more of a bogman and the only silage we grow goes in the self-feeder.

[scarface]

fair play to those involved

[belfast rep]

fair play to those involved

especailly helping the cops in the war against drugs maith thu

[tireoghan]

Good stuff glad to hear it. Anti-social behaviour is becoming more prevalent in this particular area of Tyrone now that there isnt anyone to put manners on these hoods.

[Carlos McJackle]

Good stuff glad to hear it. Anti-social behaviour is becoming more prevalent in this particular area of Tyrone now that there isnt anyone to put manners on these hoods.


looks like someone just put manners on them

[Comrade Ryan]

especailly helping the cops in the war against drugs maith thu

This is ill becoming of you belfast rep, you can do much better than this, its like inverted shinner bashing - yawn.

[Comrade Ryan]

I would assume he means that "they left the priest to do as he saw fit" i.e. ring the peelers. The 32CSM don't support engagement but it's ok if they lead the horse to water.

Either way, fair play to everybody involved, be good to see more of this type of community activism on a wider scale all round.

With all do respect mellows it would be good if the person who made the statement and who we have asked explanation of would answer.

[East Tyrone]

looks like someone just put manners on them

Not really, nobody has been arrested or is going to jail; they'll just start up again somewhere else. Had the police been alerted to this, arrests could have been made and the drug-production stopped. This was nothing more than a publicity exercise for the cokes; with little long-term societal benefit.

[Liam Lynch]

Not really, nobody has been arrested or is going to jail; they'll just start up again somewhere else. Had the police been alerted to this, arrests could have been made and the drug-production stopped. This was nothing more than a publicity exercise for the cokes; with little long-term societal benefit.

Then again the PSNI would only try and recruit them as informers, to put those who unearthed the drugs haul in gaol.

[tireoghan]

Not really, nobody has been arrested or is going to jail; they'll just start up again somewhere else. Had the police been alerted to this, arrests could have been made and the drug-production stopped. This was nothing more than a publicity exercise for the cokes; with little long-term societal benefit.

Id strongly disagree with that assesment ET. Had the police been alerted they would most likely have let the lads off with a minimum penalty and taken them into the employment of the British intelligence agencies to spy on Republicans in that area as is so often the case in Tyrone at the moment (recruitment of informers). From what I know this manufacturing plant has been removed and all involved have been warned not to repeat the actions. Again you are 'stooping' to a low level by calling those involved Cokes. Thats Puerile.
At last it is good to see some trying to combat this type of activity regardless of what quarter they come from.

[East Tyrone]

Id strongly disagree with that assesment ET. Had the police been alerted they would most likely have let the lads off with a minimum penalty and taken them into the employment of the British intelligence agencies to spy on Republicans in that area as is so often the case in Tyrone at the moment (recruitment of informers). From what I know this manufacturing plant has been removed and all involved have been warned not to repeat the actions. Again you are 'stooping' to a low level by calling those involved Cokes. Thats Puerile.
At last it is good to see some trying to combat this type of activity regardless of what quarter they come from.
You've actually introduced an interesting point here. Would you not agree that the continued presence of unwanted and unnecessary, so-called militants provides the establishment with another means to destroy the fabric of our communities. When they recruit petty criminals to inform on so-called militants and tolerate their anti-social activities, they destroy our communities. If the co-called militants had any honour, decency or genuine concern for our people they would recognise this and cease to provide the British with yet more sticks to beat us with.

[tireoghan]

You've actually introduced an interesting point here. Would you not agree that the continued presence of unwanted and unnecessary, so-called militants provides the establishment with another means to destroy the fabric of our communities. When they recruit petty criminals to inform on so-called militants and tolerate their anti-social activities, they destroy our communities. If the co-called militants had any honour, decency or genuine concern for our people they would recognise this and cease to provide the British with yet more sticks to beat us with.

Lad even if the militant groups disbanded/decommissioned/went on ceasefire the British Intelligence services will always try to recruit informers. I know ones that arent alligned to any political party but are genuine republicans and a certain member of the PSNI tried to recruit one lad (this guy is anti-going back to war as well). Fundamentally what Sinn Fein/RSF/32CSM etc are trying to do (to various levels) is overthrow the state. These guys are here to uphold the state - theyll do whatever dirty trick there is to keep it that way.
I dont want to turn this into a debate on the GFA and positives and negatives of Stormont etc...but you have to give people credit (not matter what side they are from) for stopping this scurge - even an indoctrinated Sinn Feiner, I would hope, would be able to do that.

[East Tyrone]

I'd be more in favour of forcing the psni to do their job.

[tireoghan]

I'd be more in favour of forcing the psni to do their job.

Therein lies the difference.
You have faith in them. I dont.
Sin Sin.

[Liam Lynch]

I'd be more in favour of forcing the psni to do their job.

Which is primarily Defending The Realm.

[Carlos McJackle]

Then again the PSNI would only try and recruit them as informers, to put those who unearthed the drugs haul in gaol.


assuming of course they werent already acting in that capacity

[Hessian Peel]

If the 32 CSM is a pressure group which focuses on the issue of national sovereignty, what are they doing looking for 'drug factories'? Fairplay to those involved and that (although cannabis isn't really that harmful and should be legalised), but why is drug dealing and substance abuse the only social issue which the 32 CSM is willing to tackle?

[East Tyrone]

Which is primarily Defending The Realm.

Ah no, I'd be thinking more about tackling scumbags and providing the professional policing that is a basic human right. It is up to the communities to demand this and up to their political representatives to do all they can to apply pressure once policing and justice is devolved. That is, if the Brits don't use their counter-gangs to delay said devolution indefinitely.

[Liam Lynch]

Ah no, I'd be thinking more about tackling scumbags and providing the professional policing that is a basic human right. It is up to the communities to demand this and up to their political representatives to do all they can to apply pressure once policing and justice is devolved. That is, if the Brits don't use their counter-gangs to delay said devolution indefinitely.

Actually, you should be thinking less. The problem with you terming Policing a basic human right is that you negated that premise by bargaining your democratic rights in return for an unaccountable version of it.

[Carlos McJackle]

If the 32 CSM is a pressure group which focuses on the issue of national sovereignty, what are they doing looking for 'drug factories'? Fairplay to those involved and that (although cannabis isn't really that harmful and should be legalised), but why is drug dealing and substance abuse the only social issue which the 32 CSM is willing to tackle?

they werent wandering about looking for a drug factory . They were responding to the requests of the local community for assitance who approached them on the issue of anti social behaviour by a local criminal gang . That is because many in republican areas will not enter into participation with the British police . The lack of a national police force in the area due to the British occupation is a matter inextricably related to national sovereignty


32 csm is engaged in other social issues related to national sovereignty , such as the theft of our resources , whether by shell or the impending theft of the norths water resources by Britian . But 32 csm is not a political party . Joint membership of of political parites and groupings is permitted in order to allow members to tackle purely social issues unrelated to national sovereignty if they so wish . Somthing they are actively encouraged to do .

[East Tyrone]

Actually, you should be thinking less. The problem with you terming Policing a basic human right is that you negated that premise by bargaining your democratic rights in return for an unaccountable version of it.

This post means nothing. The Nationalist community suffered from a policing vaccum and the psni is being reformed to fill the vaccum; that is the state of affairs that will remain in place until there is an all-Ireland police force. Devolution of polcing and justice will provide accountability; if it is allowed to happen ofcourse. Talk of impending arson sprees would suggest that the establishment aren't too keen on the idea.

[Liam Lynch]

This post means nothing. The Nationalist community suffered from a policing vaccum and the psni is being reformed to fill the vaccum; that is the state of affairs that will remain in place until there is an all-Ireland police force. Devolution of polcing and justice will provide accountability; if it is allowed to happen ofcourse. Talk of impending arson sprees would suggest that the establishment aren't too keen on the idea.

No, they didn't suffer from a policing vacuum, they suffered from a deliberate policing policy directed against their national aspirations. That continues to be the case but under a different strategy.

[Hessian Peel]

they werent wandering about looking for a drug factory . They were responding to the requests of the local community for assitance who approached them on the issue of anti social behaviour by a local criminal gang . That is because many in republican areas will not enter into participation with the British police . The lack of a national police force in the area due to the British occupation is a matter inextricably related to national sovereignty

32 csm is engaged in other social issues related to national sovereignty , such as the theft of our resources , whether by shell or the impending theft of the norths water resources by Britian . But 32 csm is not a political party . Joint membership of of political parites and groupings is permitted in order to allow members to tackle purely social issues unrelated to national sovereignty if they so wish . Somthing they are actively encouraged to do .

Thanks for clearing that up.

[belfast rep]

This is ill becoming of you belfast rep, you can do much better than this, its like inverted shinner bashing - yawn.

it was actually supporting what was done, what do you think the priest done with he drugs, give them to the pope?

[Carlos McJackle]

he probably did what preists in the past did when the provos turned over a drugs haul to them . Nobody then was suggesting the provos were supporting or co-operating with the old RUC , because that was simply a stupid thing to imply . I dont see why it should be portrayed in any manner an act of support for the new RUC , which is as equally stupid to imply.

[Éire32CS]

The INLA have the same procedure when dealing with a raid like this...a independent individual (usually a priest) is brought in to do what he sees fit with the illegal matters

Fair play to all involved

[East Tyrone]

32 csm is engaged in other social issues related to national sovereignty , such as the theft of our resources , whether by shell or the impending theft of the norths water resources by Britian . But 32 csm is not a political party . Joint membership of of political parites and groupings is permitted in order to allow members to tackle purely social issues unrelated to national sovereignty if they so wish . Somthing they are actively encouraged to do .

It's such a pity that they have that redundant, corrupt millstone called the RIRA around their necks; it more or less invalidates all their positive gestures on social issues.

[ardonian]

If nobody answers this anti republican agent i think we would be all better of for it.

[East Tyrone]

So everybody who disagrees with the RIRA is an "agent"; how do the Brits afford to pay 99.9% of the population?

[belfast rep]

he probably did what preists in the past did when the provos turned over a drugs haul to them . Nobody then was suggesting the provos were supporting or co-operating with the old RUC , because that was simply a stupid thing to imply . I dont see why it should be portrayed in any manner an act of support for the new RUC , which is as equally stupid to imply.

but they facilitating policing, and also assisting policing. you may not like it and you may try to twist and justify it, but by helping the police in this way you are supporting policing and its functions.
Why not destory the drugs thats what the RM used to do.
It is also hyprocritcal and cowardice to leave it to some one else to do and then go 'oh but it wasn't us'.
if the priest put the case in the hands of the cop, will you be calling for to shot as a tout?
i for one am not implying that this supporting the policing services i am stating it and i am also stating that it exposes that the 32csm realise that they are only able to do so much and look to others such the cops to carry out the work

[belfast rep]

If nobody answers this anti republican agent i think we would be all better of for it.

or in your case can't answer him

[quirk]

So everybody who disagrees with the RIRA is an "agent"; how do the Brits afford to pay 99.9% of the population?

The problem isn't you disagreeing with them or even saying they are redundant. The problem is saying that they are corrupt and repeatedly suggesting that they are criminals and British agents. This just turns threads into slanging matches which is why it is against the rules. Same goes for people calling the provos sell outs or criminals.

[Carlos McJackle]

[QUOTE]but they facilitating policing, and also assisting policing. you may not like it and you may try to twist and justify it, but by helping the police in this way you are supporting policing and its functions.

how were they helping the PSNI ? Are you claiming the British police are opposed to drugs dealers and drug dealing ?

Why not destory the drugs thats what the RM used to do.

on occasion they did , on other occasions they gave them to a priest . It would appear on this instance the drugs were happened upon by chance when confronting a criminal gang on their behaviour after requests from locals . As a republican if id wandered into a drug factory I know I certainly wouldnt hang around too long to perform some media ritual .

It is also hyprocritcal and cowardice to leave it to some one else to do and then go 'oh but it wasn't us'.
if the priest put the case in the hands of the cop, will you be calling for to shot as a tout?
i for one am not implying that this supporting the policing services i am stating it and i am also stating that it exposes that the 32csm realise that they are only able to do so much and look to others such the cops to carry out the work

your only wasting bandwith talking a load of mad dogs keek and you know it . Youd be better off asking yourself why the local community approached our members as opposed to sinn fein/psni .

[ciaranxavier]

hey ET where exactly did they find that huge drug haul inside of you..........and was it messy:whip::eusa_clap::eusa_shifty:

[belfast rep]

hey ET where exactly did they find that huge drug haul inside of you..........and was it messy:whip::eusa_clap::eusa_shifty:

your a bit late with that joke

[ciaranxavier]

your a bit late with that joke

damn here i am feeling fresh and witty.....well :hmmm:

[belfast rep]

[quote=belfast rep;61766]



[QUOTE]how were they helping the PSNI ? Are you claiming the British police are opposed to drugs dealers and drug dealing ?

by gathering up that bit of evidence and leaving the priest to do their dirty work



on occasion they did , on other occasions they gave them to a priest . It would appear on this instance the drugs were happened upon by chance when confronting a criminal gang on their behaviour after requests from locals . As a republican if id wandered into a drug factory I know I certainly wouldnt hang around too long to perform some media ritual .

wander into drug factory, surely you read the statement they brought a priest along to witness them uncovering the drugs haul, that wasn't by chance. Who suggested a media ritual? all they had to do was destroy the drugs in stead of forwarding the evidence to the cops,



your only wasting bandwith talking a load of mad dogs keek and you know it . Youd be better off asking yourself why the local community approached our members as opposed to sinn fein/psni .
and here we go lets get personal when you caught out.
wheres you proof that anyone approached anyone? after you denials around Paddy Murray it does damage your credibility a bit.
Maybe its time to start calling me an agent

[belfast rep]

damn here i am feeling fresh and witty.....well :hmmm:

now thats funny:eusa_clap:

[Carlos McJackle]

[quote=Carlos McJackle;61778][quote=belfast rep;61766]





by gathering up that bit of evidence and leaving the priest to do their dirty work





wander into drug factory, surely you read the statement they brought a priest along to witness them uncovering the drugs haul, that wasn't by chance. Who suggested a media ritual? all they had to do was destroy the drugs in stead of forwarding the evidence to the cops,




and here we go lets get personal when you caught out.
wheres you proof that anyone approached anyone? after you denials around Paddy Murray it does damage your credibility a bit.
Maybe its time to start calling me an agent

maybe its time for you to stop clutching at straws

[belfast rep]

[quote=belfast rep;61791][quote=Carlos McJackle;61778]

maybe its time for you to stop clutching at straws

thats it wow. thats me told.

[East Tyrone]

The problem isn't you disagreeing with them or even saying they are redundant. The problem is saying that they are corrupt and repeatedly suggesting that they are criminals and British agents. This just turns threads into slanging matches which is why it is against the rules. Same goes for people calling the provos sell outs or criminals.

But for Ardonian to call another poster an "agent" is ok is it? You're quick to issue infractions when such terminology is applied to the RIRA, but not when your fellow-travellers are making the allegations, it would seem.

[Tir Eoghain]

First Pomeroy now Kildress, the poor auld Yorkshire pudding will be in the quare diff now.

It sure has been a bad week for him.

I can just see him now, sitting in his bedroom slippers drying banana skins on the fireguard.

[East Tyrone]

It sure has been a bad week for him.

I can just see him now, sitting in his bedroom slippers drying banana skins on the fireguard.

:icon_laugh:
I'm sure his palls in Moygashel will sort him out, when he's in Dungannon for his wages.

[quirk]

But for Ardonian to call another poster an "agent" is ok is it? You're quick to issue infractions when such terminology is applied to the RIRA, but not when your fellow-travellers are making the allegations, it would seem.

Its not ok ardonian calling anyone an agent and such language has to stop from all sides as it is turning threads into slagging matches. Also im not quick to issue infractions at all when the terminology is applied to the RIRA and only have done so when people continuously do it.

[ardonian]

Well im afraid i stick by what i said.

[East Tyrone]

I'm hardly worried by your opinion, loathsome though it is.

[joejoe]

32CSM uncover huge drugs haul in East Tyrone
Posted on 31/1/2008 at 14:39:19 by The Sovereign Nation

On Tuesday 29th January a number of members of the 32 County Sovereignty Movement in East Tyrone uncovered a huge cannabis factory in the Kildress area. The members were alerted to the drug factory when they recieved a number of complaints of anti social behaviour in this house and the surrounding area.

On entering the premises the republican activists found a huge amount of cannabis in various stages of growth as well as assorted parapenalia for its cultivation such as vents, heaters and a sprinkler system.

The 32 CSM members took a local priest along in order to witness them uncovering the drugs haul and to leave him to do with that knowledge as he saw fit.

The discovery of such a huge operation by the 32CSM has undoubtedly helped in the fight against criminality and drugs in this rural area and we commend our members for their actions. We also urge anyone with information on drug dealing and anti social behaviour to contact the 32 County Sovereignty Movement

fear play

[quirk]

See we made the front page of cannabis Ireland :icon_laugh:

http://cannabisireland.net/

[ártybhoy]

First Pomeroy now Kildress, the poor auld Yorkshire pudding will be in the quare diff now.

Ha Ha now that ****ing cheered me up no end:icon_laugh::icon_laugh::icon_laugh:

He'll be pulling his hair out choking for some ganga:icon_laugh:

[scarface]

See we made the front page of cannabis Ireland :icon_laugh:

http://cannabisireland.net/

that's brilliant:eusa_clap: surely though if these boys were following their own message they would be too stoned to run a website

[Comrade Ryan]

it was actually supporting what was done, what do you think the priest done with he drugs, give them to the pope?

What was actually supporting what was done? Do you mean your post was actually supporting what was done? If so, no you weren't you were having a rub.

Secondly, I think the drugs should have been either destroyed by the group in the presence of a priest or substance abuse professional, either of whom could have attested to the existence of the drugs and to their destruction.

But then I wasn't there, just glad someone had the courage to actually deal with the problem.

[HimThere]

Well done lads

[ártybhoy]

Since the RIRA are still at war why not approach high level gangsters through their volunteers in english jails and swap the stuff for guns,the streets are awash with assault rifles mostly ak47s and stuff from soldiers bringing them back from iraq.
As an ak47 is about £1,500 on the street they could have got a good few swapping them with the london gangsters.

[Hildy]

Hiya Arty! Hey you could sell them some of yer big guns!!:biggrin::tease:

Arty's Big Guns Here (http://www.irishrepublican.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7106)

[ciaranxavier]

See we made the front page of cannabis Ireland :icon_laugh:

http://cannabisireland.net/

if legalization fails at least you guys have amsterdam.....

[Sniperatwork81]

exellent work comrades:eusa_clap::bow:

[ártybhoy]

Hiya Arty! Hey you could sell them some of yer big guns!!:biggrin::tease:

Arty's Big Guns Here (http://www.irishrepublican.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7106)
lol allright dollyburd how are ye? gd gd:whip:

[Foyleview]

So lets get this streight . Its not ok to INFORM the p s n i . but its ok to get a priest to INFORM the p s n i . does the preist now have something to worry about ????

[rsfarmagh/keady]

Congratulations to the 32 County Sovereignty Movement for discovering the drugs.

:eusa_clap::eusa_clap::eusa_clap:

[DublinRepublican]

Since the RIRA are still at war why not approach high level gangsters through their volunteers in english jails and swap the stuff for guns,the streets are awash with assault rifles mostly ak47s and stuff from soldiers bringing them back from iraq.
As an ak47 is about £1,500 on the street they could have got a good few swapping them with the london gangsters.

It would present them in a very bad light. The propaganda the brits would have is shocking. Plus I dont think dealing drugs to gangsters is the best way to get funds.

[Comrade Ryan]

Since the RIRA are still at war why not approach high level gangsters through their volunteers in english jails and swap the stuff for guns,the streets are awash with assault rifles mostly ak47s and stuff from soldiers bringing them back from iraq.
As an ak47 is about £1,500 on the street they could have got a good few swapping them with the london gangsters.

Republicans don't operate on that basis.

[andreas]

It is my understanding that the 32csm members went to destroy the drugs but when confronted by the sheer volume, and the fact that those in the house became hysterical withdrew. The priest in question also began to panic and the activists, believing that due to the commotion the police were on their way chose not to get caught in a drugs factory. The priest was brought along to verify that the republican activists were solely there with the intention of destroying the drugs.

[Carlos McJackle]

very wise and bears out the point i made at the start of the thread . It would be vital for activits not to permit themselves to be caught in a compromising situation . There are many who would seek to make great mileage out of it .

[elle]

great work lads and lets hope they learn their lesson.....lets hope all of them are put out of business soon

[ártybhoy]

It would present them in a very bad light. The propaganda the brits would have is shocking. Plus I dont think dealing drugs to gangsters is the best way to get funds.
But its helping to finance a war plus it gets a lot of potential witnesses stoned who wont remember things, Look at the ammount of weapons farc have from protecting coke fatories, they know its their yankee enemy that will be taking it and they make money at the same time. I do think it would get blown out of proportion as you said by all media, i was just talking a straight swap hash for assault rifles, no heavy gear.

[ártybhoy]

Republicans don't operate on that basis.
Republicans don't buy guns from gangsters wether it be glasgow to london to the Irish mob in boston? Time for your bed my friend!!

[mickyk200]

Republicans don't buy guns from gangsters wether it be glasgow to london to the Irish mob in boston? Time for your bed my friend!!
A gun is a gun at the end of the day...whether obtained from Gadaffi or Sadam it'll do the same job.

[Comrade Ryan]

But its helping to finance a war plus it gets a lot of potential witnesses stoned who wont remember things, Look at the ammount of weapons farc have from protecting coke fatories, they know its their yankee enemy that will be taking it and they make money at the same time. I do think it would get blown out of proportion as you said by all media, i was just talking a straight swap hash for assault rifles, no heavy gear.

Well I don't know the source of IRA weapons unlike your good self obviously, however, what I do know is that no self respecting republican would swap drugs for weapons.

The ludicrous nature of this suggestion does clear up one thing though - you haven't a f*ckin clue about republicanism. Any serious person here can attest to the fact that the suggestion you have posted here is disgusting froma republican point of view and if it was spouted in republican circles you'd be shown the door.

FARC BTW do not make money protecting cocaine factories - stop reading american gutter press.

They do however tax the production of cocoa which they use to fund the liberation of their people as well as encouraging the harvesters of cocoa to stop growing cocoa in favour of other less harmful crops.

But sure I wouldn't expect you to know that.

[mickyk200]

no self respecting republican would swap drugs for weapons.
No self-respecting republican would have drugs to swap for arms....

[Foyleview]

great work lads and lets hope they learn their lesson.....lets hope all of them are put out of business soon

and have it all to themselves

[mickyk200]

and have it all to themselves
and btw...wonder who actually repremanded the drug dealers?
Those evil PSNI that the 32CSM seem to take great pleasure in shooting radomly

[Foyleview]

and btw...wonder who actually repremanded the drug dealers?
Those evil PSNI that the 32CSM seem to take great pleasure in shooting radomly

Well said micky

[Éire32CS]

and have it all to themselves

would you care to elaberate the point you are making here further??
who are you referring to 'themselves' as???

[mickyk200]

would you care to elaberate the point you are making here further??
who are you referring to 'themselves' as???
as themselves...
them ens
those ones...
still nat getting it?

[quirk]

and have it all to themselves

Suggesting that republicans are drug dealers wont be tolerated.

[mickyk200]

Suggesting that republicans are drug dealers wont be tolerated.
so you're going to kick down Foyleview's door in the middle of the night?
catch yerself on mate...it's a free forum he can say that Billy Wright was a hero as long as he has a logical debate to back it up.
Just because you don't agree with him doesn't mean it's against the rules....

[quirk]

Yes it is. You cant say republicans are criminals or drug dealers without evidence. Why do you think East Tyrone was banned.

[Foyleview]

so you're going to kick down Foyleview's door in the middle of the night?
catch yerself on mate...it's a free forum he can say that Billy Wright was a hero as long as he has a logical debate to back it up.
Just because you don't agree with him doesn't mean it's against the rules....

O K a chara. enough said.

[mickyk200]

Yes it is. You cant say republicans are criminals or drug dealers without evidence. Why do you think East Tyrone was banned.
maybe he had evidence you don't know that

[Éire32CS]

as themselves...
them ens
those ones...
still nat getting it?

Well just seeing as he doesn't seem to have the balls/mental capacity to come out and say it himself I wanted to get him to clear up any misconception that could have occured but he obviously has a buddy boy in you to speak for him.

I thought it was pretty much cleared up on the forum about drugs and tout allegations being made with no backup, deriving from too many stupid and brainless remarks like the one in mention??Obviously not as some people want it to be a one way street for their own benefit

[quirk]

Well then let him present his evidence or dont say it. No point arguing the same rule goes for references being made to the provisional movement. I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with us but such comments (which have come from all sides and supporters of all groups) merely turn otherwise good threads into slagging matches and bring down the overall level of debate on the forum. Foyleview probably only meant it as a joke (i dont know) but mods are going to cut down on such comments completely and we are al on agreement on this point.

[mickyk200]

Well then let him present his evidence or dont say it. No point arguing the same rule goes for references being made to the provisional movement. I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with us but such comments (which have come from all sides and supporters of all groups) merely turn otherwise good threads into slagging matches and bring down the overall level of debate on the forum. Foyleview probably only meant it as a joke (i dont know) but mods are going to cut down on such comments completely and we are al on agreement on this point.
fair enough chara...just saying ya can't go saying things won't be tolerated just like that

[quirk]

No bother I should have made myself clearer.

[Carlos McJackle]

and btw...wonder who actually repremanded the drug dealers?
Those evil PSNI that the 32CSM seem to take great pleasure in shooting radomly


32 csm does not shoot anyone , randomly or otherwise .
i also havent heard any news about arrests in kildress over drugs

[Young Irelander]

Kevin Murphy was he not arrested with a rocket launcher in Coalisland?

[Young Irelander]

All I Know is that when people go out to the greenvale that the Kildress ones are always starting trouble...lol

[quirk]

Kevin Murphy was he not arrested with a rocket launcher in Coalisland?

I believe that he was.

[BuckfastBhoy]

and btw...wonder who actually repremanded the drug dealers?
Those evil PSNI that the 32CSM seem to take great pleasure in shooting radomly

the 32csm are not an armed force.

shooting randomly? what is random about the targeting of an occupying force.

do you have a problem with the resistence against the british occupying forces..of course you do, there your best friends now eh.

[East Tyrone]

I believe that he was.

And in his defence he told the court that they had gathered there to commit the robbery of a house. But remember kids, the cokes and 32s are not involved in criminallity.

[ciaranxavier]

And in his defence he told the court that they had gathered there to commit the robbery of a house. But remember kids, the cokes and 32s are not involved in criminallity.

would he be saying that to escape the larger charge of terrorism???

[East Tyrone]

would he be saying that to escape the larger charge of terrorism???

But 32CSM members have stood up in court and admitted to criminality nonetheless.

[ciaranxavier]

But 32CSM members have stood up in court and admitted to criminality nonetheless.

but if its so he could come out to fight another day instead of rotting in an english jail then fair play to the man. screw the system that tries to screw him, nice.

[East Tyrone]

but if its so he could come out to fight another day instead of rotting in an english jail then fair play to the man. screw the system that tries to screw him, nice.

Whatever you think yourself. 32CSM members have still admitted to criminality in court and the court believed them; I wonder why that would be.

[ciaranxavier]

Whatever you think yourself. 32CSM members have still admitted to criminality in court and the court believed them; I wonder why that would be.

so they could get out of the more serious charge which would have left him rotting for much longer. so he fooled the entire court system thats commendable actually. whats wrong with this??

[East Tyrone]

You're missing the point, 32CSM members have admitted to criminality in court. Coke-head involvement in criminality is a matter of public record.

[ciaranxavier]

You're missing the point, 32CSM members have admitted to criminality in court. Coke-head involvement in criminality is a matter of public record.

your missing the point he admitted to that because if he admitted to the real criminal charge which is along the lines of terrorism he wouldve gone to jail for much longer. would you rather our soldiers rot in jail admitting to the real charge of defending our home or would you rather him get out quickly by admitting to some lesser charge? and you didnt answer my question from the last post if you want me to continue to answer yours i suggest you start answering mine.

[East Tyrone]

The 32s can't bleat about "criminalisation" when they have already criminalised themselves in court. Republicans used to have honour and beliefs. Men like Bobby Sands refused to recognise the court. Coke-heads will do anything to get off; even criminalise themselves. Is it any wonder they are rife with informers?

[ciaranxavier]

The 32s can't bleat about "criminalisation" when they have already criminalised themselves in court. Republicans used to have honour and beliefs. Men like Bobby Sands refused to recognise the court. Coke-heads will do anything to get off; even criminalise themselves. Is it any wonder they are rife with informers?

so youd rather them rot in english prisons. since you cant answer my posts ill just make an answer for you.

[grainne]

so they could get out of the more serious charge which would have left him rotting for much longer. so he fooled the entire court system thats commendable actually. whats wrong with this??

Pay no attention to that unrepublican.He wouldnt be fit to lace kevin murphys boots.All he is interested in is trolling these threads making a tit out of himself.his posts must be really off putting for new members.Whats more is that he has been of topic every day since the end of his (3 day ban)
He has no interest in debate or republicanism & comes across like a DUP man most of the time.

[East Tyrone]

Pay no attention to that unrepublican.He wouldnt be fit to lace kevin murphys boots.All he is interested in is trolling these threads making a tit out of himself.his posts must be really off putting for new members.Whats more is that he has been of topic every day since the end of his (3 day ban)
He has no interest in debate or republicanism & comes across like a DUP man most of the time.

Don't worry about the topic, just go straight into the personal attack. Why would I not be fit to lace the boots of a man who criminalised himself in court?

[grainne]

Don't worry about the topic, just go straight into the personal attack. Why would I not be fit to lace the boots of a man who criminalised himself in court?

Cause he would shoe you up the face when ud stoop.

[ciaranxavier]

Don't worry about the topic, just go straight into the personal attack. Why would I not be fit to lace the boots of a man who criminalised himself in court?

lol this coming from a guy running around calling people cac heads. like i said before my 13 year old sister has much wittier insults then your poor attempt at humor.

[East Tyrone]

so youd rather them rot in english prisons. since you cant answer my posts ill just make an answer for you.

No I'd rather Irish people weren't engaged in activities that would expose them to informers, prison, death etc. Are you familiar with the case in question at all?

[ciaranxavier]

Cause he would shoe you up the face when ud stoop.

WHAM.....:whip::icon_laugh::eusa_dance::eusa_clap: :eusa_shifty:

[ciaranxavier]

No I'd rather Irish people weren't engaged in activities that would expose them to informers, prison, death etc. Are you familiar with the case in question at all?

so when the PIRA are involved in these activities its brave and commendable but when someone who isnt aligned with you does the exact same thing its something to insult them about???

[East Tyrone]

Cause he would shoe you up the face when ud stoop.

You see I thought you might have had some metaphorical reasoning there Grainne. I should have known better, silly me. If he's anything like some of the company he was arrested with, I'll not be too worried about him.

[East Tyrone]

so when the PIRA are involved in these activities its brave and commendable but when someone who isnt aligned with you does the exact same thing its something to insult them about???

Newsflash Ciaran, the IRA are no longer involved in military activities.

[ciaranxavier]

You see I thought you might have had some metaphorical reasoning there Grainne. I should have known better, silly me. If he's anything like some of the company he was arrested with, I'll not be too worried about him.

at least hes not hanging with the likes of you.

[ciaranxavier]

Newsflash Ciaran, the IRA are no longer involved in military activities.

newflash tyrone the PIRA are no longer involved in military activities. and how can you say this but you claim they never disarmed? do you understand how much you contradict yourself??? i dont think so or youd hang your head in shame. not only the shame of being wrong but the shame of turning your back on your fellow countrymen.

[grainne]

You see I thought you might have had some metaphorical reasoning there Grainne. I should have known better, silly me. If he's anything like some of the company he was arrested with, I'll not be too worried about him.

I just dont see the point in you posting here,when each & every post you submit seems more & more anti republican & provocative by the day.

[ciaranxavier]

I just dont see the point in you posting here,when each & every post you submit seems more & more anti republican & provocative by the day.

i hear that. i mean i have no problem with pro- PSFers but when they seem to find more reasons to trash the irish then the government they work for then its starting to go a bit far.

[East Tyrone]

I just dont see the point in you posting here,when each & every post you submit seems more & more anti republican & provocative by the day.
If I provoke negative twisters like yourself then that makes me happy. You have nothing to offer Ireland or Republicanism, you have nothing to offer full stop. All you do is agitate and spread; like a farmer reddin-out a slathouse. I'm having no further part to play in your attempts to derail this thread.

[ciaranxavier]

If I provoke negative twisters like yourself then that makes me happy. You have nothing to offer Ireland or Republicanism, you have nothing to offer full stop. All you do is agitate and spread; like a farmer reddin-out a slathouse.

how can you say that when you run around calling those that dont support PSF cac heads and coke heads......FULL STOPPPPPP. its obvious to see who the agitator is. the only one failing to see it is you.

[grainne]

i hear that. i mean i have no problem with pro- PSFers but when they seem to find more reasons to trash the irish then the government they work for then its starting to go a bit far.

There are SF supporters on this board who,believe it or not,wouldnt stoop to his level of debating.Most are here for real debate while this fella just gatecrashes every thread with unhelpful posts.
Instead of trying to prove his point in an adult fashion,he resorts to silly name calling,A great ambassador for IR.NET

[ciaranxavier]

There are SF supporters on this board who,believe it or not,wouldnt stoop to his level of debating.Most are here for real debate while this fella just gatecrashes every thread with unhelpful posts.
Instead of trying to prove his point in an adult fashion,he resorts to silly name calling,A great ambassador for IR.NET

i dont mind the shinners, i just dont like the self righteous ones who think that anyone not following their lead is a hooligan and thug. thats actually why i withdrew my support from the RSF as they dont agree with anyone who doesnt support their ideals.

[grainne]

If I provoke negative twisters like yourself then that makes me happy.
Jerry Corneilus eat ur heart out.

Need i say anymore?

[Young Irelander]

Will Gareth O'Conner reportadley suppergrassed Kevin Murphy and his company that night, I think the Rocket Laucher in which they where found with was the upgraded version of the RPG-16, it would have been a daring operation a few houses are across from the barracks and the old chapel is directly across from the barracks, could have been a possible civilian blunder...

[quirk]

Will Gareth O'Conner reportadley suppergrassed Kevin Murphy and his company that night, I think the Rocket Laucher in which they where found with was the upgraded version of the RPG-16, it would have been a daring operation a few houses are across from the barracks and the old chapel is directly across from the barracks, could have been a possible civilian blunder...

When you drive your car there could be a possible pedestrian knocked down.

[mickyk200]

When you drive your car there could be a possible pedestrian knocked down.
have the RIRA been trained to fired RPG's? I servely doubt it

[quirk]

have the RIRA been trained to fired RPG's? I servely doubt it

trained to or not he criticised them because of a possibility. The possibility still exists if he is trained or not.

[mickyk200]

trained to or not he criticised them because of a possibility. The possibility still exists if he is trained or not.
strong possibility...
there is a difference bewteen knocking down a pedestrian and blowing up someone's house you do know that?

[quirk]

strong possibility...
there is a difference bewteen knocking down a pedestrian and blowing up someone's house you do know that?

But he criticised them for the possibility of something not for doing it. I know people disagree with the RIRA and I respect that. My point was just to criticise them on issues on which they can be criticised and not just look for any reason which I think was the case here.

[mickyk200]

But he criticised them for the possibility of something not for doing it. I know people disagree with the RIRA and I respect that. My point was just to criticise them on issues on which they can be criticised and not just look for any reason which I think was the case here.
ok I can't fly a plane so would you critize me for flying a plane full of people as I would be responcible for their lives...
lauching a missile over people's homes carries a huge resposibility, something these lads are clearly not capible of.

[Young Irelander]

Will I do know that people are killed in road accidents everyday as a recent one happened down the Ballgawley line but sure if everyone had a rocket launcher im sure alot more lives will be lost, the Coalisland barracks is a legitimate target to the Real IRA, but lets be honest if they do not have serious training in the handling and firing of the rocket laucher then I think there is a high possible chance of there being civilain causlties...

[quirk]

ok I can't fly a plane so would you critize me for flying a plane full of people as I would be responcible for their lives...
lauching a missile over people's homes carries a huge resposibility, something these lads are clearly not capible of.

No one said they were going to launch any missile over peoples homes - that's the point. He has imagined a possibility and then used it as a criticism.

[mickyk200]

No one said they were going to launch any missile over peoples homes - that's the point. He has imagined a possibility and then used it as a criticism.
well the lads caught with it weren't going to use it to scratch there backs were they?

[quirk]

That they were not trained in its use is also something which is just assumed to support an argument.

[mickyk200]

That they were not trained in its use is also something which is just assumed to support an argument.
exactly...

[quirk]

well the lads caught with it weren't going to use it to scratch there backs were they?

Obviously whoever was going to use it was going to against the Brits but thats all that can be reasonably assumed with the evidence available. Not being trained and launching over houses is just something used as a criticism even though there isnt any evidence to support any of this.

Here's what is annoying. People criticise the RIRA in this instance for just having weaponry yet they are hypocritical in that they wont extend that criticism to the PIRA throughout the conflict. This is just an opportunistic way to attack the IRA, rather than basing criticism on genuine concerns.

[mickyk200]

Obviously whoever was going to use it was going to against the Brits but thats all that can be reasonably assumed with the evidence available. Not being trained and launching over houses is just something used as a criticism even though there isnt any evidence to support any of this.

Here's what is annoying. People criticise the RIRA in this instance for just having weaponry yet they are hypocritical in that they wont extend that criticism to the PIRA throughout the conflict. This is just an opportunistic way to attack the IRA, rather than basing criticism on genuine concerns.
It is as much a concerm as a critizism of the RIRA. I don't want them ens flying rockets over my house. Although I wouldn't have like the PIRA doing it either I would prefer them doing it than the RIRA. The PIRA training was so expert that they took it around the world and traded it for muntions and funding.

[quirk]

It is as much a concerm as a critizism of the RIRA. I don't want them ens flying rockets over my house. Although I wouldn't have like the PIRA doing it either I would prefer them doing it than the RIRA. The PIRA training was so expert that they took it around the world and traded it for muntions and funding.

Thats beside the point. Members of PIRA went on to be members of RIRA. You don't know if this is the case here yet you assume not. No one ever said that rockets were going to be shot over houses yet again an assumption based on nothing other than the fact that it supports an argument. The decision has been made and the facts must support it it seems.

Also the comparison to the PIRA doesn't work as if you are criticising them simply for an imagined possibility then the same possibility can be imagined for anyone (no matter how well trained) who has an RPG.

If there are valid criticisms then make them but this is just a criticism for the sake of it.

[mickyk200]

Thats beside the point. Members of PIRA went on to be members of RIRA. You don't know if this is the case here yet you assume not. No one ever said that rockets were going to be shot over houses yet again an assumption based on nothing other than the fact that it supports an argument. The decision has been made and the facts must support it it seems.

Also the comparison to the PIRA doesn't work as if you are criticising them simply for an imagined possibility then the same possibility can be imagined for anyone (no matter how well trained) who has an RPG.

If there are valid criticisms then make them but this is just a criticism for the sake of it.
I'm not critizing them of for the craic...
I'm getting ready to go out...I've better sh*t to do that debate for the sake of it

[quirk]

I'm not critizing them of for the craic...
I'm getting ready to go out...I've better sh*t to do that debate for the sake of it

I was mainly talking about the initial post comrade though I really don't think we should be criticising anyone over possibilities.

[mickyk200]

I was mainly talking about the initial post comrade though I really don't think we should be criticising anyone over possibilities.
well everything is a possibilty with the RIRA...

[quirk]

well everything is a possibilty with the RIRA...

Everythings a possibility with all groups and people thus the word possibility.

[on_remand]

well everything is a possibilty with the RIRA...

freedom is a possibility with the help of the RIRA then?

[Young Irelander]

Freedom is a possibility with any group, there can be different interpretations of freedom, Irish Republicans see the reunification of the Irish Republic as freedom while our unionist counterparts see the situation right now as freedom...