R.I.R.A. Targets Sinn fein

[Foyleview]

the announcement today in the DERRY journal by the rira that it considers martin mc guinness a legitimate target clears the way for them to target members.

[quirk]

No it doesnt.

[Foyleview]

No it doesnt.

how does it not ?

[quirk]

How does it clear the way? They have said that he is a legitimate target i.e. they would be justified if they did take action against him. This is a big difference from saying that they ever will. Here is what was said:

Who are the Real IRA's targets?

Those who promote and protect the illegal occupation of the six counties . . . British soldiers, RUC/PSNI members, and British government ministers. A pragmatic approach has always been taken to prison officers depending on conditions in the jails.

Does that mean members of the Stormont executive, including Martin McGuinness and other Sinn Fein politicians, are viewed as British ministers and thus legitimate targets in Real IRA eyes?

Those running the Stormont administration are as much British ministers as those sitting in Downing Street. However, targets aren't chosen always on legitimacy but on whether hitting them would be politically expedient or counter-productive and on the likely effect on public support.

The IRA never attacked the British army in Scotland because of its support base there and what was seen as solidarity with a fellow Celtic nation. But the decision on whether to actually hit a legitimate target is one that is kept under review.

[quirk]

I think the important word in the above interview is HOWEVER.

[Éire32CS]

Fixing false and imaginary words to the interview to push peoples own agendas....

[Irish Republican Patriot]

Fixing false and imaginary words to the interview to push peoples own agendas....


That's right, Sir Marty and his cronies are very capable of exploiting this supposed threat for their own advantage.

[Foyleview]

How does it clear the way? They have said that he is a legitimate target i.e. they would be justified if they did take action against him. This is a big difference from saying that they ever will. Here is what was said:

Who are the Real IRA's targets?

Those who promote and protect the illegal occupation of the six counties . . . British soldiers, RUC/PSNI members, and British government ministers. A pragmatic approach has always been taken to prison officers depending on conditions in the jails.

Does that mean members of the Stormont executive, including Martin McGuinness and other Sinn Fein politicians, are viewed as British ministers and thus legitimate targets in Real IRA eyes?

Those running the Stormont administration are as much British ministers as those sitting in Downing Street. However, targets aren't chosen always on legitimacy but on whether hitting them would be politically expedient or counter-productive and on the likely effect on public support.

The IRA never attacked the British army in Scotland because of its support base there and what was seen as solidarity with a fellow Celtic nation. But the decision on whether to actually hit a legitimate target is one that is kept under review.

Twist it whatever way you want. according to the reals Martin mc Guiness the deputy leader of my party is a legitimate target. i dont think anyone can read as to what they might think is politically expediant. Firstly they do not partisipate in the democratic politics , and anybody that thinks bringing the british army back onto the streets , setting up chekpoints and terrorising communities is a good thing clearly has a fuzzy view of political expediancy.
if yous are prepared to murder our leaders, why should i think that yous are not prepared to target us that work for, campeign for and support these leaders ?

[quirk]

Twist it whatever way you want. according to the reals Martin mc Guiness the deputy leader of my party is a legitimate target. i dont think anyone can read as to what they might think is politically expediant. Firstly they do not partisipate in the democratic politics , and anybody that thinks bringing the british army back onto the streets , setting up chekpoints and terrorising communities is a good thing clearly has a fuzzy view of political expediancy.
if yous are prepared to murder our leaders, why should i think that yous are not prepared to target us that work for, campeign for and support these leaders ?

See you are reading it how you like. The army council member was asked was Martin Maguinness a legitimate target. The answer says he is a british minister and is no different from other british ministers however........ This is clearly saying he wont be targeted. This is clear to anyone who reads the interview yet you still go on to say "if yous are prepared to murder our leaders". The RIRA are not prepared to do so.

As for somehow saying that all SF members are well your just talking crap now and you know it. Your title of this thread is scaremongering also. Historically it has been members of our movement threatened kidnapped and murdered by the provos not the other way about.

As for bringing the British army back onto the streets that is to combat the brit governments policy of and Ulsterisation just as the IRA sought to do several decades ago also.

[scarface]

the announcement today in the DERRY journal by the rira that it considers martin mc guinness a legitimate target clears the way for them to target members.

it's no different than various PIRA statements regarding the SDLP in the past who were always viewed as legitimate targets but never attacked because it would have been counter productive just as it would be counter productive for republicans to shoot a provo today as was clearly stated in the RIRA statement i know you are ignoring that for your own ends but it's there for everyone to see when they read the interview and let's not forget that the only republican murdered by other 'republicans' was Joe O'Connor who was murdered by the provos in 2000

[Ernie O'Malley]

Foyleview what statements like yours can do is Hatemonger to be honest. Spread fear by manipulating the truth so as to blind people with terror and force them to react, not pertaining to a peace strategy really now is it?

[jamie9988]

in the interview with the sunday tribune the rira said that it views all members of the stormont executive as legitimate targets it is unlikely to target them

[Foyleview]

in the interview with the sunday tribune the rira said that it views all members of the stormont executive as legitimate targets it is unlikely to target them
"unlikely" what a comfort.

[JPL]

So you are 100% the average member of Sinn Fein is not a target, unless they are a minister in the 6 counties? And even at that, it's only possible at best.

Would that be an accurate assessment?

[quirk]

I am 100% that no PSF members are targets.

[East Tyrone]

I am 100% that no PSF members are targets.

How would they be when the tit offensive is only conducted on the internet and in newspapers.

[Foyleview]

I am 100% that no PSF members are targets.

make that as public as the threat to one of our leaders. Go to the journal, (even though the editor is the fine gael election agent.)

[ciaranxavier]

the announcement today in the DERRY journal by the rira that it considers martin mc guinness a legitimate target clears the way for them to target members.

they know as well as everyone else with two sense that if they were to attack members of any irish republican group it would be the worst move in the national and international spectrum that could be made. they are just stating that them working with the current administration makes them viable targets, it doesnt say go out an kill a shinner.

[ciaranxavier]

in the interview with the sunday tribune the rira said that it views all members of the stormont executive as legitimate targets it is unlikely to target them

are your aims to help the english administration to taint the republican armies??

[BuckfastBhoy]

what a silly thread, if you had actually read the Oglaigh Na hEireann statement, you would see that this is not the case.

[Young Irelander]

If the Real IRA shot a leading Sinn Fein MLA, MP, MEP, the would make the biggest mistake because the Provisional IRA would wipe them out over night, look at the Omagh Bombing, the Provisionals approached leading members of the Real IRA and demanded they went on ceasefire and the Real IRA where very happy to oblige... the Reals are fake there is only one true republican movement and that is the Provisional IRA and its gallant allies in Sinn Fein...

[ciaranxavier]

If the Real IRA shot a leading Sinn Fein MLA, MP, MEP, the would make the biggest mistake because the Provisional IRA would wipe them out over night, look at the Omagh Bombing, the Provisionals approached leading members of the Real IRA and demanded they went on ceasefire and the Real IRA where very happy to oblige... the Reals are fake there is only one true republican movement and that is the Provisional IRA and its gallant allies in Sinn Fein...

dude get off your cloud and realize that your amazing PIRA is disarmed and allowing its "gallent" allies to work with those people the PIRA are supposed to be ousting. come back to reality now. and its nice to see youd rather have the PIRA fighting its fellow republican armies then the actual threat at hand.

[jester2207]

No, Ciaran has a point. We should be fightin the brits, not each other. And on that note how can you seriosly say that are leaders are legitamnte targets but yet should not be takin serios? It was a threat, playn and simple. If it wasnt serios it should been kept between closed mouth. They made it public so it is now no longer an idel threat. They may very well not have any intention of following threw but why make it public? Stupid political stunt? Personally if you publiclly announce you comin for me YOU HAD BETTER BRING THE NOISE!!! I wont wait around...

[Young Irelander]

Will its very inappropiate for the Real IRA to be making lists of legetimate threats and then say its not serious, God Sake thats like saying Al Queada says Pakistan is a legitimate target because it is one of Americas biggest allies in the Middle East but we will not bomb you though, if the Real IRA are the ones threatning following Republicans...

[Éire32CS]

Read the interview.
What was stated was the British ministers are viewed as legitimate targets as a result of their working in Stormont or Downing Street if you want to look into it further.
It is not Oglaigh Na hEireanns choice that Sinn Fein members have admitted themselves to this house and are working as British ministers.
If the answer was 'British ministers (except for SF members of course) are legitimate targets' would you not realise this would raise immedate issues as to why only some could be targeted.
The situation has been the same as it always has been British minsitsers who stand and run the illegal occupation in our country will always be at risk, but each indivdual will have different circumstances surrounding them so each case will be looked at like that.
The killing of any PSF minister will not further the cause,support levels or anything so as a result the chances of these being targetted are highley unlikely.
Don't jump on a propaganda bandwagon so easily....

[Éire32CS]

Will its very inappropiate for the Real IRA to be making lists of legetimate threats and then say its not serious, God Sake thats like saying Al Queada says Pakistan is a legitimate target because it is one of Americas biggest allies in the Middle East but we will not bomb you though, if the Real IRA are the ones threatning following Republicans...

I presume that in Pakistan Al Queda bombs would be targetted at areas that will cause the most damage to America/Pakistan etc such as a finacial centre,miltary targets etc and in their case also cause maximum civilian casualties to whoever they are targetting(such as bank workers who I presume their way of thinking on it is they see them as aiding western interests and opressing the muslim people but don't take up on that because I don't have the time of day to study on something I have no agreement with on such a scale of difference)....

I don't think they will place a massive car bomb in a rural village with high sympathy for them as this would aliente the people who support them(thus not targetting anybody and everybody in Pakistan but they won't say it straight out obviously)

[Young Irelander]

I read the intreview from the Real IRA and why would they publish such nonsense in a newspaper, then what does it mean that killing a DUP minister or a UUP minister is an appropiate taget, why can the Real IRA not recongnise that Sinn Fein are the legitimate party which represents the communites of the Irish Republicans, what mandate do they have, do they possibly beleive that they can defeat the British Army when the Provisionals had alot more finance, expertise, members, intelligence and alot more resources if all kinds, do they want to send young people to jail and ruin their lives for a meaningless attack against a so-called legitimate targer, do they want to cause another Omagh bombing, Sinn Feins police strategy is the only serious alternative and they are the choosen republican party the people of the six countis voted for, Real IRA, what an excuse...

[kev86]

I read the intreview from the Real IRA and why would they publish such nonsense in a newspaper, then what does it mean that killing a DUP minister or a UUP minister is an appropiate taget, why can the Real IRA not recongnise that Sinn Fein are the legitimate party which represents the communites of the Irish Republicans, what mandate do they have, do they possibly beleive that they can defeat the British Army when the Provisionals had alot more finance, expertise, members, intelligence and alot more resources if all kinds, do they want to send young people to jail and ruin their lives for a meaningless attack against a so-called legitimate targer, do they want to cause another Omagh bombing, Sinn Feins police strategy is the only serious alternative and they are the choosen republican party the people of the six countis voted for, Real IRA, what an excuse...


Another deluded provie going on about this mandate and vote crap :icon_lol:

[East Tyrone]

Another deluded provie going on about this mandate and vote crap :icon_lol:


Young Irelander has made valid points and presented them in a reasoned manner. If you feel that you can counter his argument, aye right, go ahead and do so in a constructive manner. Otherwise you just appear to be another cac-head trying to derail threads through personal attacks with no constructive input to the debate.

[Cael]

If the Real IRA shot a leading Sinn Fein MLA, MP, MEP, the would make the biggest mistake because the Provisional IRA would wipe them out over night, look at the Omagh Bombing, the Provisionals approached leading members of the Real IRA and demanded they went on ceasefire and the Real IRA where very happy to oblige... the Reals are fake there is only one true republican movement and that is the Provisional IRA and its gallant allies in Sinn Fein...


You seem to think that collaborating with the enemy, taking money to work as Crown officials, and calling on the Irish people to become Crown informers is the mark of the Republican Movement?

[East Tyrone]

You seem to think that collaborating with the enemy, taking money to work as Crown officials, and calling on the Irish people to become Crown informers is the mark of the Republican Movement?

Note that YoungIrelander is from Tyrone Cael. This means that he is talking about things that affect his daily life and the lives of those around him; as opposed to waffling about a part of Ireland that he may or may not have visited occasionally. And don't start bleating some demented shyte about my argument being "partitionist"; you're opinion is as valid to me as mine would be to Dublin corporation on a planning application. It's parochialism not partitionism, you don't live here so your opinion is hardly as relevant.

[Hildy]

Another deluded provie going on about this mandate and vote crap :icon_lol:


Look who's deluded Kev, what is another armed struggle going to do really? Do you seriously think your 'little army' is going to bring about a United Ireland any sooner?

[harold steptoe]

Young Irelander has made valid points and presented them in a reasoned manner. If you feel that you can counter his argument, aye right, go ahead and do so in a constructive manner. Otherwise you just appear to be another cac-head trying to derail threads through personal attacks with no constructive input to the debate.

I dont believe the RIRA has killed any provisional republicans-the only casualty to my mind was Joe O'connor who was allegedly shot by the PIRA,although they denied it so i guess we will never know for sure.There is no way IMO that RIRA would attack any sinn fein or PIRA member as this would be completely counter productive and also a very big mistake.(and in no way justifiable.
Its hard to agrue for the existance of any armed republican groups at present although one could counter that by stating that N.Ireland is to all intents and purposes still occupied.
In short,if the PIRA was so effectively neutralized by the British intelligence srvices i would still like somebody to explain why,with less support and much less organization the RIRA could overcome this?Its pretty clear to many that by the late 80's the PIRA was effectively impotent,members were being imprisoned or killed by the SAS and M15 were pretty much calling the shots regarding internal security(scap/mcshane),if the provisonals,with all their apparent community and logistical support were forced to concede no military solution then again i ask,what chance for the RIRA?
Whilst i obviosly dont subscribe to armed resistance the ongoing revelations about sinn fein and the PIRA do leave some serious questions regarding who was running the show from the mid 80's onwards? If,as is now thought.the brits had agents across the whole movement prior to the ceasefire then its deffo smokes and mirrors time and goes a long way to explaining the disasters at loughall/gibralter to name but two,(and its an extensive list).

My opionion would be that sinn fein fell short on good friday,the goal of re-unification was routed but in other aspects they delivered,they delivered on the prisoners issue,they delivered on the equality agenda(the gerrymandering days are history)and they delivered on peace,a peace that has seen many people alive today who would be dead-hundreds of children with a mum and dad who might not have had the campaign continued,surely this is the most important part?

You could argue about the rights and wrongs of taking up arms but you can't argue with the fact that armed resistance is futile if the aspiration is to drive the bristsh out,lets face it,the PIRA couldn;t do it and the RIRA can;t either.

[kev86]

Look who's deluded Kev, what is another armed struggle going to do really? Do you seriously think your 'little army' is going to bring about a United Ireland any sooner?

Did i say anything about armed struggle ?

What im saying is that the provos run around constantly talking about mandate this and mandate that blah blah blah, when your lot have only just had a mandate of sorts the last 10 years or so, it didnt matter during the so called "troubles" etc as the stoops got the majority vote,so does that mean that the recent phase of the war was wrong because it didnt have a mandate from the people of the O6C ? Ofcourse it doesnt

[Hildy]

I agree! Good post! Welcome to the forum Harold.

[Hildy]

Did i say anything about armed struggle ?

What im saying is that the provos run around constantly talking about mandate this and mandate that blah blah blah, when your lot have only just had a mandate of sorts the last 10 years or so, it didnt matter during the so called "troubles" etc as the stoops got the majority vote,so does that mean that the recent phase of the war was wrong because it didnt have a mandate from the people of the O6C ? Ofcourse it doesnt

Never said it was wrong! They are where they are because of the 'recent phase of the war'! Its time to try something new. Mandates are guidelines and a road map to go by, doesn't mean they can't change!

So kev, then what do you propose?

[kev86]

Never said it was wrong! They are where they are because of the 'recent phase of the war'! Its time to try something new. Mandates are guidelines and a road map to go by, doesn't mean they can't change!

So kev, then what do you propose?

At this time i dont support armed struggle,as the conditions are not right just now,But i DONT condem it either

I propose standing by republican principles, and trying to implement Eire Nua as the alternative,as it is inclusive for the unionists etc aswell.

[Hildy]

At this time i dont support armed struggle,as the conditions are not right just now,But i DONT condem it either

I propose standing by republican principles, and trying to implement Eire Nua as the alternative,as it is inclusive for the unionists etc aswell.

Well I'm glad to hear that. I've read a bit about Eire Nua, and what I've read briefly sounds like a good alternative. And I support any other political alternative. But the days of armed struggle are over. It should be the peoples decision whatever the outcome! I wish someone would start a thread on Eire Nua and explain it a little more.

Thanks for not being hostile! You're attitude made it much more pleasant than the usual attack mode of some other members.

Cheers, Hildy:)

[kev86]

Thanks for not being hostile! You're attitude made it much more pleasant than the usual attack mode of some other members.

Cheers, Hildy:)

Well im here to debate stuff not be hostile (if i can avoid doing so :) )

[kev86]

http://www.irishrepublican.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1405

Eire nua can be read from here ^

[TomClarke]

It should be the peoples decision whatever the outcome

hildy, which people? on what issue. e.g a 6 county vote on an UI?

[Cael]

Note that YoungIrelander is from Tyrone Cael. This means that he is talking about things that affect his daily life and the lives of those around him; as opposed to waffling about a part of Ireland that he may or may not have visited occasionally. And don't start bleating some demented shyte about my argument being "partitionist"; you're opinion is as valid to me as mine would be to Dublin corporation on a planning application. It's parochialism not partitionism, you don't live here so your opinion is hardly as relevant.



Im sorry I didnt tell you before that you are on my ignore list. If its any consolation, this is a singular honour.

[Young Irelander]

The Republican Movement in East Tyrone where heavily inflitrated yet they managed to take down a British Helicopter in Clogher and still kill and maim members of the British Forces, the South Armagh and Belfast groupings of the Provisional IRA still carried out many attacks against the British War Machine and in East Tyrone particular the Provisional IRA in my community where still active in policing the streets of East Tyrone, but I would beleive that the Real IRA and Continuity IRA are not going to make any major effect, and as for being deluded "provo" who dare you say that, the Provisional Movement got us to where we are now a peace and all what the micro groups want is a fight that they will never win, the Provisional IRA where the most sophisicated, organised liberation group in west of Europe, the micro groups are disorganised and amathers...

[TomClarke]

The Republican Movement in East Tyrone where heavily inflitrated yet they managed to take down a British Helicopter in Clogher and still kill and maim members of the British Forces, the South Armagh and Belfast groupings of the Provisional IRA still carried out many attacks against the British War Machine and in East Tyrone particular the Provisional IRA in my community where still active in policing the streets of East Tyrone, but I would beleive that the Real IRA and Continuity IRA are not going to make any major effect, and as for being deluded "provo" who dare you say that, the Provisional Movement got us to where we are now a peace and all what the micro groups want is a fight that they will never win, the Provisional IRA where the most sophisicated, organised liberation group in west of Europe, the micro groups are disorganised and amathers...

and who is policing those streets now?

[Young Irelander]

PSNI and CRJ...

[TomClarke]

and what sort of job are they doing?

[Young Irelander]

Relatively quiet my part of the country, will do you want the whole 300 micro group members to police all of the North, or a Police Force which has been reformed, do you want drugs to ruin our communities and let hoods and all pests of socities ruin republican/nationalist working class communities?????????????

[TomClarke]

ah, the police has been reformed? how so?

and if the police force are so effective .. what role do the CRJ play.. are they, for eg.. an information network for the PSNI?

[Young Irelander]

CRJ, up to the individual organisation... if you want to see the reforms read the Good Friday Agreement, you know the agreement Sinn Fein negotiated for nationalists and republicans in the six counites, if you want to bash the police go on right ahead, I hate the w****

[TomClarke]

you hate the police? but sure you are after saying that they are reformed. plus they are the force that SF negotiated for you.. and.. on your behalf too. why do you hate the PSNI?

[Young Irelander]

Relatives killed by the British War Machine...

[TomClarke]

but you accept them as the legit law enforcers in the 6 cos?

[Young Irelander]

You hate being akward...lol... I accept the St. Andrews Agreement as the way forward...

[TomClarke]

You hate being akward...lol... I accept the St. Andrews Agreement as the way forward...


whats your take on the Anglo Irish agreement of 1921? (the Treaty) would you have accepted or rejected it?

[Young Irelander]

Hard one, probably remained neutral...

[kev86]

Hard one, probably remained neutral...

Why would you remain neutral ?

[Young Irelander]

The Irish Civil War happened, former comrades killing each other... Why do you think?

[TomClarke]

you wouild have been neutral, whilst republicans in ireland for the last 90 years were deemed as backwoodsmen exactly because they were against the treaty

[kev86]

The Irish Civil War happened, former comrades killing each other... Why do you think?

Not talking about the civil war, im talking about the treaty, why would you have decided to sit on the fence instead of making a stand for what you thought was right ?

Would you have supported or opposed the treaty ?

[Young Irelander]

Neutral...

[kev86]

Neutral...


Coward

[Young Irelander]

No, I would not have wanted to have killed comrades...

[kev86]

No, I would not have wanted to have killed comrades...


All iv asked is do you think the treaty was right or wrong ? Its only a simple yes it was right or no it wasnt answer. its not hard.

Iv not mentioned killing or fighting against former comrades

[Young Irelander]

No, it created a secterian state...

[TomClarke]

eh, no it did not.

the government of ireland act 1920 created the north.

the anglo irish agreement 1921, was different again

[Pablo]

it's no different than various PIRA statements regarding the SDLP in the past who were always viewed as legitimate targets but never attacked because it would have been counter productive just as it would be counter productive for republicans to shoot a provo today as was clearly stated in the RIRA statement i know you are ignoring that for your own ends but it's there for everyone to see when they read the interview and let's not forget that the only republican murdered by other 'republicans' was Joe O'Connor who was murdered by the provos in 2000

Seamus Costello

[Young Irelander]

Do you not mean the Articles of Agreement for a Treaty Between Great Britain and Ireland

[ciaranxavier]

Will its very inappropiate for the Real IRA to be making lists of legetimate threats and then say its not serious, God Sake thats like saying Al Queada says Pakistan is a legitimate target because it is one of Americas biggest allies in the Middle East but we will not bomb you though, if the Real IRA are the ones threatning following Republicans...

would you like them to lie???? the fact is they are legitimate which is not a lie and the chances of them being actually hit is next to none for anybody who thinks with two sense.

[ciaranxavier]

Young Irelander has made valid points and presented them in a reasoned manner. If you feel that you can counter his argument, aye right, go ahead and do so in a constructive manner. Otherwise you just appear to be another cac-head trying to derail threads through personal attacks with no constructive input to the debate.

how can he be a continuity army council head?

[East Tyrone]

how can he be a continuity army council head?

I refer to conto supporters as cac-heads and cokes supporters as coke-heads; the cac-head in this case was Kev86

[Young Irelander]

Will if the Real IRA see Sinn Fein elected ministers with a political mandate then they are foolish could this just plays in to the hands of dissident loyalists, what if they attack Sinn Fein?

[TomClarke]

Will if the Real IRA see Sinn Fein elected ministers with a political mandate then they are foolish could this just plays in to the hands of dissident loyalists, what if they attack Sinn Fein?

its..."well"

[BuckfastBhoy]

Will if the Real IRA see Sinn Fein elected ministers with a political mandate then they are foolish could this just plays in to the hands of dissident loyalists, what if they attack Sinn Fein?

well they wont attack sinn fein, as they have stated.
to reitirate what was said before, the provos are the ones who have attacked the 'Real' movement, not the other way around

[Young Irelander]

There has never been any proof that the Provisional IRA has attacked the Real IRA..

[tireoghan]

There has never been any proof that the Provisional IRA has attacked the Real IRA..

Did they not shoot Joe O'Cnnor; they definately beat up a few boys after omagh

[Hessian Peel]

If the Real IRA shot a leading Sinn Fein MLA, MP, MEP, the would make the biggest mistake because the Provisional IRA would wipe them out over night, look at the Omagh Bombing, the Provisionals approached leading members of the Real IRA and demanded they went on ceasefire and the Real IRA where very happy to oblige... the Reals are fake there is only one true republican movement and that is the Provisional IRA and its gallant allies in Sinn Fein...

Holy mother of f*ck spare us your tripe. The Provos have tried to 'wipe out' political rivals in the past and failed. They've even tried to strong arm the Real IRA and the 32 CSM before and were unsuccessful so catch yourself on. I doubt the Real IRA are going to target McGuinness, but I wouldn't lose any sleep if they did.

[Young Irelander]

No member of the Provisional IRA was charged with the murder of that individual named...

[kev86]

No member of the Provisional IRA was charged with the murder of that individual named...


So that means it didnt happen then ? lol :icon_lol:

[Young Irelander]

Prove it? Are the Real IRA not responsible for the Omagh Bombing when their leader at the time McKevitt was blamed for it was mentioned in his trial...

[BuckfastBhoy]

Prove it? Are the Real IRA not responsible for the Omagh Bombing when their leader at the time McKevitt was blamed for it was mentioned in his trial...

jesus christ, so if the brits/freestate say so then it must be true!

[Young Irelander]

Will if the Provisionals denie something is it not true then?

[quirk]

There has never been any proof that the Provisional IRA has attacked the Real IRA..

They have killed Joe O'Connor which you can deny but most people know it is true. They have also abducted and beaten members of both the "real" IRA and the 32CSM.

[ciaranxavier]

I refer to conto supporters as cac-heads and cokes supporters as coke-heads; the cac-head in this case was Kev86

but it makes no sense continuity army council head. you should find a new insult my little sister couldve done better then that.

[the IRA lives]

A load of bollocks, the media has been trying to say for years that the RIRA are going to target the shinners, cant see that ever happening.

[Young Irelander]

Will no members of the Provisional IRA have ever been charged with any of the following mentioned offences and unless there is evidence that this has happened then you are breaking your own rules about calling the Provisional IRA crinimals as such beatings can be put into assault, ABH, GBH, etc... If you have no evidence then I do beleive that you are breaking the rules of your own forum and as a moderator I think you should know this...

[Foyleview]

They have killed Joe O'Connor which you can deny but most people know it is true. They have also abducted and beaten members of both the "real" IRA and the 32CSM.

I must remember quirk that you beleive that what most people say is true. i think this will come in useful.

[tireoghan]

No member of the Provisional IRA was charged with the murder of that individual named...

Who was going to charge them with anything...the Provos did the Brits work for them.

[ciaranxavier]

I must remember quirk that you beleive that what most people say is true. i think this will come in useful.

why will that come in useful foyle???? and it obviously isnt true because he doesnt listen to you or a lot of others on this site or hed be right along trashing the republican armies still standing.

[tireoghan]

'Internal House Keeping' I remember it being called, poor oul Mo Mowlam, post GFA she used the Provos as her own private army to thwart any Republican activity. How times change.

[quirk]

I must remember quirk that you beleive that what most people say is true. i think this will come in useful.

No I judge each case on its merits.

[Young Irelander]

What about the unionists, it would be a political coup if the Provisional IRA army was involved and the Secetary of Northern Ireland in the past, present or future has never been in control of the Provisional Republican Movement but the Army Council...

[kildare brigade]

the announcement today in the DERRY journal by the rira that it considers martin mc guinness a legitimate target clears the way for them to target members.

the Real IRA's targets ? those who protect the illegal occupation of the six counties- British soldiers,RUC/PSNI members, and british government ministers. A pragmatic approach has always been taken to prison officers depending on conditions in the jails.Those running the stormont administration are as much british ministers as those siting in downing street. however ,targets arent chosen always on legitimacy but on whether hitting them would be politically expedient or counter productive and on the likely effect on public support. The IRA never attacked the british army in scotland because of its support base there and what is seen as solidarity with a fellow Celtic nation.

[Vox Illuminati]

Did you just copy and paste a RIRA statement?

[kildare brigade]

Did you just copy and paste a RIRA statement?

No i didnt but the Real IRA and the CIRA both released similar statements about a year ago

[Vox Illuminati]

No i didnt but the Real IRA and the CIRA both released similar statements about a year ago

I think you copied one of them pretty closely, definitely a phrase or two. I suppose it beats having to think for yourself lak.

[kildare brigade]

I think you copied one of them pretty closely, definitely a phrase or two. I suppose it beats having to think for yourself lak.

i didnt copy and paste it !

[Vox Illuminati]

i didnt copy and paste it !

But your just repeating the propoganda without thinking about it yourself. Those statements are just propaganda statements, just like IRA Onwards To Victory. You shouldn't just blindly believe everything.

[kildare brigade]

But your just repeating the propoganda without thinking about it yourself. Those statements are just propaganda statements, just like IRA Onwards To Victory. You shouldn't just blindly believe everything.

iv took a few quotes from memory but most of it my own words, that statement is about a year old i couldnt possibly remember it word for word

[Vox Illuminati]

It means nothing tho. It's lak we're at war but it's ok to do nothing because we know it won't work but we're at war anyway.

[BIG JOHNY]

Let me put Sinn Fein at ease, the R?.I.R.A are always making statements about this and that, what they can do and cant do and who they are going to get and not, I support armed struggle ,and have done right from the start, I supported the provo,s and I do support any group who want to stiff any occupier in our land, but the only operations they have engaged in is nearly this and nearly that!, I would give the conto,s my faith in making progress for the future the real’s are just not cutting it man.

[Seán1798]

, I support armed struggle ,and have done right from the start,

That must make you about 230 years old at least, what's your secret? Do you not get even a little bit disillusioned that after 210 years the armed struggle hasn't worked? Don't you think it might perhaps be time to try another tactic instead of trying to beat one the best trained and equipped armies in the world whose home base is just a short way away?

[Patrick Henry]

Let me put Sinn Fein at ease, the R?.I.R.A are always making statements about this and that, what they can do and cant do and who they are going to get and not, I support armed struggle ,and have done right from the start, I supported the provo,s and I do support any group who want to stiff any occupier in our land, but the only operations they have engaged in is nearly this and nearly that!, I would give the conto,s my faith in making progress for the future the real’s are just not cutting it man.

You support Armed Struggle, is that active or armchair support?

[Vox Illuminati]

I would give the conto,s my faith in making progress for the future the real’s are just not cutting it man.
And the contos are cutting it man? How is that lak? They are no better or worse than the RIRA.
That must make you about 230 years old at least, what's your secret? Do you not get even a little bit disillusioned that after 210 years the armed struggle hasn't worked? Don't you think it might perhaps be time to try another tactic instead of trying to beat one the best trained and equipped armies in the world whose home base is just a short way away?
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You support Armed Struggle, is that active or armchair support?
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[LDN_Irish]

Let me put Sinn Fein at ease, the R?.I.R.A are always making statements about this and that, what they can do and cant do and who they are going to get and not, I support armed struggle ,and have done right from the start, I supported the provo,s and I do support any group who want to stiff any occupier in our land, but the only operations they have engaged in is nearly this and nearly that!, I would give the conto,s my faith in making progress for the future the real’s are just not cutting it man.

What have the contos done?